Pretty Little Liars is Pretty Fatphobic...

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[@black-moon01]

Sasha was the first celebrity that I knew who spoke about her PCOS around the time I got my diagnosis, and I can't explain how disheartening it was to see people, "fans" turn their backs on her the moment she gained weight. But like you point out, we all watched a show that taught us the dream story of Hanna. Looking back, it's no surprise at all. It's even sadder that her spin-off didn't work, she's just as talented as she was back in 2011, yet you don't see her around. :/

[@fernandafuentes6858]

It was so weird how they treated mental illnesses like hanna's bulimia or spencer's adiction, they were there for two or three episodes while it was convenient and then they would disappear for entire seasons until it was relevant to the plot again, i was always so confused

[@moeblackx]

!!! ik it’s so bizarre they use addiction and mental health like plot devices

[@wikstr18]

Someone in a video research mentioned TV shows being longer back then because of network requirements, and while it doesnt excuse exploiting such topics, it kinda explains why they were there for such a short time

[@winterfromwisthollow]

I HATED that they watered down Alison's character. She was such a perfect scary villain, and if you know about the books, she is revealed to be the main villain AND SHE EVEN GAINED WEIGHT in the end. And she still was the scary villain. They could have pulled it off, but they did not and it's very saddening.

[@micenabled9418]

Yep she was going to likely be the villain but she gained weight and it wasn’t even her fault she didn’t even know what was going on.. it was really messed up

[@larsland]

This is so interesting. Ashley Marin was always the most comfortable mom for me but it’s because she’s similar to mine, especially the food and weight stuff. My mom, however, was actively fighting generations of eating disorders. She regularly told my brother and I she loved us no matter what. But the trauma did continue. And I never really thought about this show and weight before.

[@moeblackx]

ahhh!! i’m sorry that you can relate and i’m sorry for your mothers struggles and their impact on you ❤️‍🩹 sending hugs

[@jackiesthirties]

Loved this video!! What they did to Alison’s character in the later seasons was so disappointing. They took away all of her smoke and I knew it had to do with her body, but I didn’t understand at the time the power dichotomy. She couldn’t have been a bully once she gained weight bc the responses would always be “but you’re fat.” Such a good point. I’m saving this video bc it gave me a lottttt to think about!! PS - your nose contour + the lip combo + your perfect teeth!? are a mesmerizing combination. You’re stunning!! 💕

[@moeblackx]

thank you sm for the love angel! made my day :)

[@duck6100]

Also they gave her such conservative, plain outfits because you just know the costume department didn't know how to dress a larger person

[@jackiesthirties]

@@duck6100 YES!!! They started dressing her like a friggin middle-aged suburban mom. THEE Alison DiLaurentis!!! A crime

[@Missmagazinebura]

You should do the same for Blair Waldorf because she has bulimia as well . Hers was worse because we actually saw her in the toilet throwing up with the water running and looking in the mirror on the thanksgiving episode .

[@moeblackx]

oh absolutely adding this to my list!

[@SephMeadowesInc]

@@moeblackx There was also a deleted scene in season 1 where Blair was shown throwing up in a restaurant bathroom.

[@GioNavas]

It's insane because watching PLL as a plus sized teenager, the food/body stuff always icked me in a way I couldn't explain but you articulated it perfectly. The way media can shape our relationships with ourselves can be such a double edged sword. Anyway, amazing video! I loved hearing your thoughts!

[@MADEbySOUL]

Sasha is a TOP TIER actress! The way she played Allison at 12 was the perfect mix of weaponized privilege, beauty, and manipulation of friendship and popularity. Literally what middle school/high school mean girls feel like. How they had so much popularity, they could snap you. Sasha forever changed my view of beauty standards and who benefits when I saw an audition video she did. The scene was of her trying to enter this assignment but being sneered at that her beauty is the only reason she got to where she is. Sasha’s reaction to being dismissed to this day makes me in awe. Everyone should see this video.

[@zoc.6922]

I always felt like how the show handled ed or mental illness was so damaging. The problems are only present when it's convenient. The actress that plays Spencer, Troian suffers from anorexia. And they completely butchered Alison's character after the actress, Sasha gained weight. Alison became this boring passive person that did nothing and dressed like an elementary school teacher. It was so irritating.

[@moeblackx]

yessss tbh it’s so sad how this era was all about gaining social capitol based on how you look

[@duhshi1575]

the thing i notice in shows like pll and sex and the city (90s-2000s thin mania) is that the characters NEVER hapilly eat on screen and their food is never made to look appetizing

[@ClayMastah344]

YES. Every single episode food is treated as a chore or afterthought

[@ssua3035]

I've actually forgotten how damaging pll was in this regard, i always take gossip girl as the main culprit for teen shows guilty of misinformation and mixed signaling about eds.

[@sophiarivera7364]

Maybe it’s the caffeine but I legit became anxious at some points during this video because I was taken back to my feelings of inferiority regarding my body. Especially when you discuss the study of maternal relationships with their bodies and the relation to how that effects their kids. It wasn’t until I was 23-24 that I checked my mom and came clean about how that affected me. Amazing video, going to binge more. Subscribed ✅

[@moeblackx]

proud of you for taking back ur power babe !!! happy to have ya 🫂

[@moongrl11]

it rlly sucks not being able to rewatch this show the same way and enjoy it if u have an ED :/ *to those in recovery -- u are so loved and beautiful inside and out

[@JulietteKernDiamond]

This was the Era of the thigh gap too. I remember my ex had me send him a pic of my gap and I'm pretty sure he put it on chive this awful men website back then. I'm not a body positive gal myself tbh but there's no denying how invasive the pressure to be tiny was. It's coming back btw it's been back. All the it girls are super thin again but bbl body was just as harmful so pick your poison I guess.

[@moeblackx]

absolutely! it’s so sad to see the pendulum swing back and forth so frequently especially because as you said, the pressure is invasive and intense!

[@JulietteKernDiamond]

@@moeblackx 🙏🙏💕💕

[@mississipi1103]

I love how you called him an "ex" I really hope he's far from you, what a weirdo

[@JulietteKernDiamond]

@Miss Issipi oh yes! And he emailed me on my wedding day haha!

[@flowergirl5336]

What was the chive ?

[@pleasedontknowmeirl]

Hey I really love your commentary and the way you are setting up the way the world was going to view this show by detailing what life was like in the 2010s. I just subscribed I’d love to hear more of your commentary on media or anything really!!! Excited to see the rest of this vid too !!

[@pleasedontknowmeirl]

literally 8 mins further in and im like holy shit. Ur so smart . new favorite channel tysm

[@moeblackx]

@@pleasedontknowmeirl ily you’re such an angel!!

[@junie1017]

I feel like every show I watched growing up was fatphobic.I always thought i was incapable of finding love and i still struggle to feel that way cuz I've always felt like my body holds me back. I have always felt like it's impossible for anyone to be attracted to me because i have never seen any body like mine represented in the media. Anytime there was a bigger character, they would be the funny, undesirable, bully, or made fun of character. I still struggle to see more inclusiveness in that sense.

[@moeblackx]

have you watched my mad fat diary? i think you might like it!

[@junie1017]

@@moeblackx I have heard of it and seen clips! I should def watch the whole show though

[@M95-t7c]

and that was great! media shouldn't support your damaging and disgusting bodies and habits

[@kloe6095]

@@M95-t7c yea eating disorders and ppl killing themselves to be thin is so great get a grip

[@patrickm2006]

@@M95-t7c oof- hopefully you take the time to see a school counselor or join a local therapy group. I can't imagine how tough it would be for you if you ever gain weight sometime in your life, and how hateful you'd be to yourself. And for it to be about something so ordinary, regardless of what your opinions are :/ P.S: being straight sized or skinny doesn't mean you aren't also damaging your body🤯

[@maddiesharpe7118]

I ALWAYS felt like this. In fact, pll introduced me to bulimia and taught me how to do it, without teaching me why it was bad. And I’m dead that Hanna just… got over it? When she was “healthy enough”??? That’s not accurate. At all.

[@Prxncessvaleria]

I think the point of PLL was bullying, blackmailing and making everyone feel miserable in order to control them , make them do horrible things aka whatever A wanted. I do agree a lot this was terrible and wasn’t written well, there was a lot they could have done better. Also growing back then in the 00’s I remember they didn’t have sizes beyond 9. In my local area there was THE place to shop at in the mall and it was called 5.7.9. which was referring to they only went up to size 9 and that it was catered to those sizes. Everyone loved something there, they had the best clothes, pretty unique standout pieces. I struggled to buy anything there. I also remember while I was in HS during that y2k era there was no poc girls like me, very few of us, and all the girls were white and thinner than me, at the time I was in between sizes 9-14 and I always felt like I was fat bc the girls around me 1) weren’t Latina 2) thy were much smaller than me. also I remember it was during the toxic era of Victoria’s Secret. A study should be done how it dominated and affected us... I remember it’s all anyone talked about in school. Victoria’s Secret/ Hollister/ Abercrombie & Finch. There was just too much toxicity and negativity everywhere idk how any of us are okay. There was a lot of toxicity in the 00s that I think the older generations put onto us. which is why I’m happier there’s more positivity , awareness, discussions and just a looking back on things and realizing how terrible it was.

[@moeblackx]

absolutely! i think intersectionality is super important when we talk about these issues! i used the study i did because of the demographics of the cast and viewers of PLL and because these things are a by product of Eurocentric beauty standards and american yt supremacy

[@tonyamell23]

@@moeblackx Would you care to explain how the show had to do with white supremacy?

[@moeblackx]

@@tonyamell23every black character was killed off, emily fields entire character arc was left to the wayside, all the black men in the show ended up being predators and they hired a 12 year old waify white girl to play the main lead. even as a 15-16 year old you’d be unable to achieve those standards yt supremacy promotes thinness as an alternative to the black body - making the standards pll set right in line w that way of thinking ❤

[@8drecords775]

I think the fat phobia in the show it’s sad because it’s written so realistic for a lot of us and it’s becomes normalized in the show we forget it exists just like in real life

[@healgoth]

5:11 this! I swear this show is best watched when someone else watches it and tells you what the plot should’ve been instead of what it actually is (TVD was also this for me, nothing in that show is as good as what the fandom spaces were offering IMO)

[@healgoth]

not me saying TVD and then you call it out by name too sksksk love that for them so iconic and influential honestly what legends

[@moeblackx]

twinnninnnnn

[@Emanuel-uy2ox]

Just found your channel and absolutely love this! I haven't heard anyone talk about PLL's fat phobia before and I definitely think it's worth discussing. I struggled with an ed as a teenager and was a huge PLL fan, but their depictions of body image definitely didn't help me. Great vid!❤

[@moeblackx]

thank you sm love! means da 🌎

[@M95-t7c]

being obese is also an ed, babes

[@alylopez3721]

Girl I’m only halfway thru the video but damn it’s so good!! You put in the work and went hard not just in analyzing pll but pop culture and society! 😩🙌🏻✨ also you look absolutely amazing ☺️

[@shaebubblegum3212]

I loved pll and don’t get tired of hearing videos about it. That stats you gave about the media was really shocking

[@shaebubblegum3212]

And I really like how you covered it

[@jio_jio]

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO TALK ABT THISSS

[@mismiserables]

Great video. Last time I saw pll was a couple years ago and I couldn't understand why Ali's character changed so much...and the ugly clothes they put her in lol. I didn't realize that it connected to the actress gaining weight. I remember watching this as a kid and boy, as a child I couldn't realize that all these things were so terrible. I just remember being so obsessed with them and wanting to be thin like they were. At 12 years old trying to not eat at school because I wanted to lose weight. And I was already pretty slim. smh

[@thepityscene]

hanna’s bulimia in the books was very similar, it was used as backstory and as soon as she got “skinny” it just magically went away. imo the books were WAY better you should read them given the chance

[@moeblackx]

loved the books!!

[@kookykiddo]

This was a wonderful video! So happy I just found your channel, I love how you communicate information and explain things 💕💕✨

[@rosenmoons]

i'm glad i watched this show as an older teen rather than 12-14, still young but old enough to recognise the poor treatment of mental illness and not be easily influenced by ideas in the show

[@VegemiteQueen1]

Ahhh flashbacks to the break after sports when my mum would tell me I could have ONE biscuit only, and nothing else was offered. I couldn't eat properly for 15 years for medical reasons, this year I finally can and I am STRUGGLING with the weight gain, even though I understand I was technically anorexic before. I never felt thin enough then, so now? What a mess. My mum gained 3 kilos this year because she tore a ligament super badly and could barely walk for 6 months, and keeps telling me how fat she is. Please stop.

[@aelinorholloway3669]

I remember when I was younger I never really noticed how the mean girl beauty standard worked, but then as I got older and took an interest in the world war 2 books my dad and grandad had, I actually started to get resentful and angry. If you see the propaganda cartoons for eugenics back then literally all of the women considered marriageable, all have the same features that season 1 and 2 Alison Dilaurentis has, or the same features as Regina George or Serena Van Der Woodsen. And it pissed me off, this was the 200s or 2010s, why was this still being endorsed!? That's why I enjoy Maddy Perez so much, it's not perfect but it is at least a step in a hopeful direction.

[@moeblackx]

agreed! it was so refreshing to see maddy be a muse for not only latina women but other woc and white women as well!!

[@devon1777]

the first four seasons were good after that the show just kept rapidly getting worse edit: Allyson’s character changing the way it did is one of the biggest parts of the downfall to this show because they completely ruined her character and she just completely faded into the background

[@emilyotto]

okay whaaat i follow you on ig and did not know u have a yt!!!! i like u even more now that i'm seeing u talk, u look stunning & i am excited to see your take on this!

[@rileyosborne4518]

this is the best commentary video I’ve ever seen. so good.

[@tobennaokoli17]

Honestly if you want more proof actually watch the show and take a look at how often you see the girls eating and what’s on their plate. Pretty much always just salads because _that’s_ realistic.

[@michellel9595]

There was a video i found online called pll food horror and it opened my eyes to everytime in the early seasons

[@stephaniekayary]

Yo esperando a que mencionara 1D al principio como parte del 2010 🧍‍♀️

[@midnightmaidenx]

After I watched the first season, (when it first came out) I stopped eating to lose weight. Definitely had an effect on me

[@tobennaokoli17]

Hanna’s ED is kind of weird. Half the time she’s portrayed as getting over it/ still suffering from it and how it affected her. The other time she’s just eating what ever she wants. That would be fine as a way to explore her unhealthy relationship with food, but it’s never treated as such. Just Hanna being Hungry Hanna.

[@itsbobasundaee]

U got yourself new subscriber! The only KZbinr u should watch yall! She discuss this video that I didn't noticed the negative parts of pretty little liars show!

[@moeblackx]

angel!! made my day 🫂

[@itsbobasundaee]

@@moeblackx glad I make ur day beautiful ! ❤️

[@kk78998]

Just started the video but have to leave a comment now that ur nose contour is beautiful 🥰

[@moeblackx]

thank you dove 🕊️

[@Dahlia_Kaitlyn]

I was glued to my TV every week to watch this show (and other similar teen dramas), was even a fan of the series... I rewatched it in 2015-16 during my freshman year of uni and found it to be enjoyable in a sentimental way. I tried to start rewatching it again last fall and I couldn't make it through the first season. Like just the whole Ezra relationship viscerally disgusts me lol.

[@CaptainChapin]

Honestly I personally wouldn’t have had an issue with it if they didn’t start trying to be so morally superior during season 5,6 and 7. Personally from me teen films in teen drama shows have always broken boundaries and says some edgy risky things. But that being said you were never meant to see these characters as these gods that could do no wrong they were flawed they weren’t perfect in the world that they were and never existed to make them feel like their behavior was justified. I guess that’s a reason why I prefer shows from back then The teen shows made today

[@moeblackx]

very true !! i think back then we lacked nuance and now a days it’s over nuanced (euphoria lmaoooo)

[@starrinight6114]

girl there are children dying and being trafficked ..

[@moeblackx]

false equivalency but okay!

[@KassandraQuiseng]

Does this look like a world news channel?

[@seniorelpuppet]

used to be a huge fan of this show but honestly at 27 I can see how cringe it was

[@michelletemi5224]

I really have to disagree with your take on Ashley Marin as someone who watches this show yearly at least I found her and Hanna had the closest mother and daughter relationship they weren’t perfect but they got each other and never took out any anger onto each other about their flaws. I believe that Hanna’s eating disorder has less to do with the relationship between her and her mother and wayyy more to do with her friendship with Alison who always made her insecure and fostered her disorder, her friendship with the other girls who are naturally skinny and achievers, Aria has always been seen as “pretty” and unique, spencer was this straight A student and Emily was an athlete. She never thought she was smart pretty or as talented as the rest of the group. Also I’m not sure if her father leaving motivated her to lose the weight or Alison’s disappearance but we never see Ashley being the one to encourage Hanna to lose it or make a comment about her previous weight. The ‘judgemental’ looks from Ashley that apparently cause hanna to binge are almost none existent? Hanna has turned to food only after something to do with Alison’s disappearance or A stress. Also, I’m really shocked that you spent more time covering Ashley than you did with Alison’s character change after her weight gain which was such a huge part of the failure of the later seasons of the show… I almost forgot the scene with the pig cupcakes you claim is Hanna getting rewarded which I don’t understand? That scene is incredibly uncomfortable to watch and shows that regardless of whether she loses the weight A still has the power to make her feel just like she did when she was “Hefty Hanna” which is common some people even after they lose the weight can’t disassociate themselves from who they used to be and A was shoving that down her throat. Pun intended

[@moeblackx]

love this take!! that’s why the show is so well loved because there’s so many layers and different theories/view points! thank u for the love babe 😭🤍

[@michelletemi5224]

@@moeblackx thank you! I hope I didn’t come off rude by the way just wanted to share my thoughts ❤️ I think this is a subject that doesn’t really get spoken about much!

[@rb-fk9rx]

ur so pretty i can’t

[@varyazubik]

omg this is the first video of yours that im watching you're so fun and beautiful you go girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@laracherry420]

This is such a good freaking video

[@moeblackx]

😭🫂🫂

[@duck6100]

Yeah it was a YA show in the 2010s, unfortunately almost all of them are some combo of fatphobic, abelist and homophobic (honestly all types of bigotry were in there somewhere)

[@toastyrag3592]

Maybe because people weren’t so sensitive then 😂

[@JulietteKernDiamond]

Random but I can't stop staring at your nose, it's really cute!

[@moeblackx]

hahaha thank you love 🫂

[@larsland]

Yesss! So excited for this

[@jacobneale5844]

‼️‼️‼️ Yasssss Jeffrey Champbell in the background 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@aib12345]

not me getting a weight watchers ad while watching this…

[@moeblackx]

lmaooooooo stop im screaming

[@cheesygordita]

They truly made me feel (as a child) that I was overeating because of their attitude towards food and portions

[@margaretdiaz6043]

Oooh im so excited to see this video I love all your takes

[@user-vj6ws1op4u]

the show ended in 2017 get over it lol..

[@moeblackx]

never

[@guysmybonesaregettingsquishy]

That’s exactly why it’s the right time to look back on it and learn from it, why would that bother you?

[@boodoobydoo8731]

The way I clicked so fast

[@c_louie670]

What a great video, with a full research and explanation. Is just sad and concerning how this show that the target audience was teenegers has this stereotypes and messages that can affect how their audience percibe their own bodies and ultimetly the show perpertrue this standarts of beauty that are just wrong and damaging. Thanks for the video. New subscriber!!

[@moeblackx]

thank you sm angel, happy to have ya 🤭🫂

[@cyt8284]

Re: 40+ We are not okay 😂

[@sailormoon7952]

But it is still more entertaining compared to most crap that comes out these days, especially the earlier season, prior 5. Everything could be problematic, but I do not see why we have to tune down everything entertainment related to the point 5 minutes of a show these days are already too boring...

[@Lovethingsbeautyxoxo]

Fake alcoholic storyline for three episodes HAHAHA

[@sillystarasmr]

ashley only cooked for men

[@nicolezwg]

Off topic but: wow you look so good!! You have a beautiful nose ❤

[@jacobneale5844]

!!!!! Really Great Video

[@syd2138]

u think the show is bad just read the books😩

[@malaikatshiteya]

You are so gorgeous

[@rebecamorales1956]

New subbb

[@Carelesshilton]

You look so adorable omg

[@annabel33x]

you are so beautiful omg

[@DANNYTHEFROG123]

We need plus sized bullies

[@user-on9ds4ux2t]

no we dont

[@DANNYTHEFROG123]

@@user-on9ds4ux2t I was jk

[@travisestefania843]

🎉 P r o m o s m

[@Condtaaa]

hablou

[@Misandrismiscool]

This is the first video I’ve watched of yours, and honestly the first full video I’ve watched on KZbin in months!! You have such a fun presence & you’re so captivating. 🫶🏼

[@moeblackx]

brooke wft ilysm thank u made my day fr 🫂🤭