Can You Beat Final Fantasy 4 Using ONLY Cecil - Final Fantasy IV Challenge Run

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[@shirrenthewanderer414]

Use Gaia Gear to block petrify. Also you can turn the battle speed down so enemies don't attack so fast. Battle speed doesn't determine ATB, it determines how fast the enemies are, not the party. Then you have been in the back row and cast cure 1/2 to counter Tornado, as melee attacks do jack to the back row. I don't know why you would ban using items. Doing nothing but regular attacks seems boring to me. I've done Rosa solos.

[@joshstephens413]

First, that isn't how battle speed works in this one. That is FFV you are thinking of. This is FFIV. Notice the difference? I'll give you a hint. It's the extra "I". Second, Kain is absolutely needed to disrupt the Tornado form.

[@shirrenthewanderer414]

@@joshstephens413 ...never mind. Forget I said anything.

[@BillyLavoie]

@@joshstephens413 It can be done. For fun after seeing this epic fail I decided to do the run myself. Barbariccia was by far the hardest part of the run because of the tornado. Otherwise you CAN damage her just fine, just not for as much as you would if you could get Kain to get her to come out of her tornado form. Once you make it past her the rest of the game is pretty easy. Once you pick up the Blood Sword you become almost unkillable (since Cura wasn't cutting it anymore). The only other thing that comes close to the Barbariccia fight is.....the 4 fiends .....because of Barbariccia yet again lol. This time I remembered to equip the Gaia gear and made short work of her. But sometimes she was fast enough to cast tornado and hit me once before I could get a turn. But at this point Cecil was able to dodge most hits so it was all good, I only died twice. Oh and I decided to do the run with no items too. I thought it was a silly limitation but I figured I'd duplicate it.

[@bayardkyyako7427]

@@joshstephens413 Yeah fuck them for getting something wrong when it's a game apart and the series has massive changes to things it carries over from game to game, it doesn't make you look like a jackass at all doing what you did, actually /s.

[@noahhobson4521]

No, I expected that if Tornado Girl didn't stop this run, Demon Wall would.

[@juances]

Primal: "Cecil" KZbin subtitles: "Sassle"

[@BlitzAce469]

I would recommend turning the battle speed all the way down, as well as using Wait mode, that should buy you a little extra time for to input your commands for healing between Tornado and her physical attack.

[@joshstephens413]

Wouldn't matter. Kain is needed. Jump is the only thing that can disrupt the Tornado form.

[@BlitzAce469]

@@joshstephens413 There are guides written for this exact challenge (without the No Item restriction, which doesn't really affect the outcome of this particular fight), as well as multiple videos of this fight in this challenge on this very website, so clearly it IS possible. The timing may be tricky, but it is possible. She is not invulnerable in the Tornado, still takes damage normally, the only issue is survival. It's not mandatory to use Jump.

[@BillyLavoie]

After watching this video I was so frustrated because I felt like he botched this battle so badly. Just passed her at lvl61. Honestly it could have been done at a way lower level. I also didn't use items just to see if it was possible but ultimately I thought that was a silly rule....but I did win without items. I had gotten the Gaia gear for Cecil but I forgot to put them on lol. Basically just put Cecil in the back row. Killed everyone and started hitting her when I could, she mostly hit me for 1-2 HP but I had to be careful because sometimes it was in the 30s. Basically took a few turns hitting her, healed and cast esuna when needed. At the end I was out of MP and just set it on auto attack and I was just going to retry with the Gaia gear...but Cecil won! I feel like the video was pumped up for content without really trying, took me just under 3 hours to get past where he failed, and I wasn't trying to go fast

[@Kofitnessnycosplay]

I finished the game Cecil only, why didn’t you use Gaia gear to block pertificstion and bolt arrows from the back row? I also had on more gear to help with evasion to reduce hits taken. Also the no items part would be a big issue later on especially with dr. Lugae and others coming up.

[@Dragonsbrethren]

Came here to say this. If you’re going to do challenge runs, study the game mechanics a bit more. Also frankly this would’ve been more interesting if battle items were allowed. Mashing Attack over and over isn’t very compelling footage, and there’s some real fun strategies to be had with items that will save grinding to absurd levels

[@angelstar107]

I completed the Solo Cecil Challenge on SNES but I needed items. You can circumvent a large number of mechanics with the right gear but the literal ultimate stopping point is Demon Wall. Even if you did a controlled stat growth to maximize your Strength and Speed growth, Cecil cannot deal enough damage to avoid being crushed by Demon Wall without both Haste and Slow. I do feel like the Solo Cecil challenge is actually a lot of fun and do recommend it but NOT without items.

[@TARDISES]

@@Dragonsbrethren And if you are going to use attack over and over, allowing items at least allows you to make it more efficient because berserk Cecil go brrrr

[@powerplay9422]

Primal is amateur challenge runner confirmed. I'm going to forward this video to someoen I know.@@Dragonsbrethren

[@GTSN38]

I beat it with Cecil and no gear

[@nightbanegodnomadicdruid6698]

Okay definitely laughed when the arm exploded and you game overed. Such a delight when you post this commentary. Thank you so much.

[@Late_Night_Mega]

I found a video a few weeks ago by a youtuber named Snowy that was able to accomplish this challenge, including the no items clause.

[@CoolHandMikeYT]

The rules on Snowy's are less strict looks like. Cecil is attacking while party members are killing themselves lol. That probably makes the difference.

[@denshi45]

glad to see the video. love your work

[@EscoNitz]

Something that probably hurt you while playing this challenge is simple, Cecil's speed determines enemy turns, The more speed Cecil has the faster the enemies are. So grinding out the extra levels just gives enemies more chances to hit you.

[@jackalblades6822]

is that still the case in the pixel remaster? i know thats how it works in the original version.

[@StrategicLemon]

That makes absolutely no sense at all. How does being faster than the enemies make them faster than you? Doesn't that also makes spells such as Haste effectively worthless since enemies will always get to attack you first regardless?

[@EscoNitz]

@@StrategicLemon its specifically cecil the other team members don't affect it

[@bayardkyyako7427]

@@StrategicLemon Same way how enemies in FF8 scale to Squall's level, hence why most runs of that game keep the party single digit level as long as possible.

[@thejohnkaufman]

I'm just going to keep commenting on every video that I see how much I enjoy hearing "You're Not Alone" with these runs

[@FantasyTom53]

Dark breath is indeed HP based: Max HP/4 rounded to lower number (1309x4=5236 in this case). Anyway nice video as always

[@inkhaos8336]

Good attempt at it man i was hoping you would of been able to do it.. but also just watching these videos makes me wanna try these runs myself

[@MrTylerWpg]

Another great video. I've not done a solo run but i'm in the middle of a "Couple's Night Out" run with only Cecil and Rosa because I'm scared and need my healz.

[@bdhuffman42]

Snowy completed this challenge with the same rules I believe. You could ask him how he managed to do it.

[@raz9305]

You should call this "Solo Cecil - No Item" because that's a level up from just a Solo. Solo Cecil is definitely doable, but silk web, bacchus', starveil for trap door (though it is heavily possible to not need it, as long as you smack the door good enough.) Every party member (for PSX version) can be solo'd. Tellah just sucks because of a huuuge grind. And 90 MP. Kain is why I know the grind for star veils. Max stats couldn't knock the door. I'm going to do that on the Advance version someday. That'll be a damn treat. Anyways, thanks for the video, man. Solo Cecil was one of my first challenges after I did a Solo cloud back in the day. Have a good one!

[@raz9305]

"Do that" as in all characters solo'd on gba.

[@SHADOMEGA7569]

Wow first time i see then end of a challenge run and it not be the end credits. good attempt though primal, looking forward to the next one

[@moopert86]

Kain would have done better.

[@costby1105]

Sullla managed to do it but he also didn't ban items in his challenge. According to his report it took 50 Hi potions and 30 Gold Needles to do it at level 40 after grinding 5 levels to make Cecil faster. The real roadblock was the Trap Doors; Sullla had to grind from 55 to 73 to bypass them with the avenger sword. Then again Sullla also had to run Byblos out of his 1000 MP to beat him as a solo thief in Final Fantasy V with a huge stockpile of Elixirs and stolen Hi Potions..

[@scragar]

Barbariccia has about 8,500 health if I remember correctly, you dealt around 1,000 damage, so if you could get 9 attacks in you'd be able to kill her. If your max successful attacks in a row was only 2 I'd say it's fair that you'd almost certainly never get the luck required to avoid enough attacks to get 9 attacks in. One thing I can suggest though is a slight change of strategy, you shouldn't attack after lightning. The next attack is tornado which will reduce you to critical HP, and if she counters(with a physical attack and a 50%? chance of lighting) it has a very high chance of defeating you.

[@Pestilents]

@Primalliquid great video, have your tried not killing off your team mates and just not using any abilities from them. this might mitigate some attacks to them. only for one fight.

[@darkonecion]

Have I missed any videos? Nope I watched the playlist. Also the only flans hoodie is my go to!

[@alexsklavenitis302]

I've actually done this one! Hype.

[@Subject92m]

Man now I want to get back on my Marathon of the pixel remaster myself.

[@danielstriker3739]

I think he might have crit with that dark breath. Not sure if its possible but the math roughly adds up to be about 1.5x stronger. 872 average damage, 1.5 stronger is about 1308.

[@cryangallegos]

I'm playing through the ds 3d remake right now and would *love* to see some challenge runs in that version bc it is *way* harder than the SNES release

[@Delsus89]

Murdering Kain should be punishable by death

[@MugenYomi]

Can you mod the code to switch characters to try solo challenges with other characters in ff4 (make another character cecil and cecil then takes there spot)?

[@vgchat]

It's definitely doable, the solution here is to use Gaia Gear to block the petrification. And you can switch to bolt arrows when needed. Also, Cecil has access to Esuna.

[@capitalistpigsa1]

I knew at the beginning that that boss would be the end of the run. It's totally designed to need Kain to make her drop out of whirlwind form, it's possible without kain but you'd need more than cecil OR a whole lot of luck to do it.

[@gavtro2]

I have seen someone else beet FF4 using only Cecil but I can't remember is they used items or not. This challenge isn't so much about who you use, though that would have a big influence, but how you play it. But I don't know how items would save you here since Tornado is too strong and other than a few strong healing items you don't really have anything useful in the fight. It really does just come down to luck.

[@ArtofBrandonTruster]

My Cecil only run ended in the same place as yours.

[@Flutterdark_]

Bout dark breath i calculated 821/3284 = 25% 1309/5238 = 24.990454..... so basically 25% so yeah that move is % based (numbers are from what was shown in the video)

[@nadilenebudski]

You should eliminate the "no items" rule from your challenge runs.

[@Cubesage]

You can kill Yang and Cid before the Barbariccia fight. Slow the battle speed down to normal, use Mute Arrows, ruby ring, wizard hat, gaia gear. Move to back row. Alternate Cura and Attack, And it's an easy win. I was level 60.

[@sergejgraf4074]

With so high Levels, even 99, I would not expected the challange to fail. Would you consider, if meeting such road block and deeming the challange as failed, to by pass the boss, using the other character, and then return back to the challange to see if that is the only road block or the challange would fail later as well. This way we can see how the challange works for the other bosses as well. Maybe making another challenge follow up video for that ?

[@Siinory]

"The only good Dragoon is a dead Dragoon." I almost disliked the video just because of that. Also it MIGHT be possible on US SNES since the version is just so easy

[@Zanarkendjp]

Bruh…put Cecil in the back row for valvalis. Even after tornado you’ll take 1 damage on her physical round allowing time to cure or heal. I’ve done solo Cecil runs multiple times. She is definitely hard, but you haven’t fought dr. Lugae yet or rubicant, 2 of which are much harder.

[@NeroLucifarious]

Kain doing his job and tanking the floor

[@Zer0_Ph34r]

Talk about dedication to seeing a challenge through. Great work. Have you ever considered merging your over-powered strats with failed challenges to see if you can "cheese" your way through a wall? I think it'd be really interesting to see if your crazy over powered stats could do anything to these walls. Plus, assuming you have your old save states or can mod your stats to match them, it would allow you to use some of that crazy time sink into another video.

[@iThing89]

I am glad to see a run that isnt possible for once. I love the series, but thus far all runs ive seen have been completed. Id rather see crazy challenges that might fail rather than only sucessful mediocre ones.

[@Primalliquid92]

Believe it or not half of my runs I do expect to fail lol

[@RanEncounter]

​@@Primalliquid92 Why not use gaia gear to block petrify?

[@Konflick25769]

is it possible this guy anit playing it right tbh

[@josuegarcia5236]

Can you beat FF4 with only mashing the attack button on cecil. Disappointmented couldve easily googled how to resist petrify

[@curtisjones9372]

Woah never seen him fail,

[@robertjag167]

Hey Primal! Been enjoying your videos for ages now! I see u weren't that bothered with the remake fonts? I couldn't stand them and had to change them immediately 😂

[@tek512]

I too have completed a Cecil-only run, and it honestly wasn't even particularly difficult. The man is a beast, and you can steamroll the entire game with him rather handily. Just need to take full advantage of some equipment choices you might normally overlook in a regular playthrough.

[@FemiOsofisan2008]

Hey Primalliquid,can you do a challenge of final fantasy 5 without magic.

[@RobertTLongway]

Thank you for uploading this - I definitely enjoy seeing you pull out every trick in the book to beat challenges but it seemed like you’d never lose so I’m actually glad to see this one

[@theoh1938]

Just from what I see in the video, the Dark Dragon's Dark Breath looks to do 25% of max hp (821/3284 and 1309/5238)

[@kemix1006]

Really should have allowed item usage on top of checking equipment that could have helped here.

[@ManiManiPlays]

My initial thought was "Oh, this shouldn't be too bad." My second thought was "Wait, how's he gonna get past Barbariccia?"

[@HashBandicoot356]

Watched a video weeks ago where someone did it.

[@arumea5418]

Man adding difficulty to FF4 which is arguably one of the harder FFs in the series, is brave.

[@aman692007]

When are you starting FF5 pixel remaster platinum playthrough?

[@SonofStoryYT]

Like now, watch later. Curious for this one :]

[@omiknon9985]

Spoiler warning. I know you concluded the Cecil run by saying the Barbariccia was the show stopper for your most recent challenge, but if you had managed to get past her some how do you think you could have finished/ what other stoppers do you think there would be? I figure the Golbez fight in the underground world or the demon wall later on would of been.

[@xdfeverdream8122]

You need to reset for good stats. Past level 70 they're random.

[@zephyrblayze]

In the original, yes, but not in the pixel remaster

[@thatidiotuhate]

I wonder IF it would've been possible to not only get the Drain Sword from Eblan castle after acquiring the Sleep Sword, but do better against some of the bosses using it? I thought I did a Cecil only challenge once and if I did I can't recall if I completed it or not. :/ Is the Mist town glitch possible in any of the later FF4 ports or just the SFC/SNES versions? Or would tossing Dancing Dagger count as using items as well?

[@Flutterdark_]

"a good dragoon is a dead dragoon" yup. they cant floortank if they arent on the floor

[@algorburn6212]

Time for radiata stories gameplay?

[@brandan7761]

How overpowered can you get on Tales of Symphonia?

[@Shorty_Lickens]

The pixel remaster is easier than the original. So I suppose here its possible but not back then.

[@praetorxyn]

FF4 is the one I know the best. I don't think this is possible even with the Item command, but as soon as you said no Item, I knew it was impossible.

[@angelstar107]

It is actually possible but not without items. There are guides written about how to do it as well.

[@praetorxyn]

@@angelstar107 Interesting. I can’t imagine how you’d do the final dungeon with Cecil alone even at level 99 with max stats. But I knew you damn sure couldn’t without using Item in battle. I don’t know why he always bans the Item command, especially in cases like this where he’s crippling himself massively already.

[@angelstar107]

@@praetorxyn Short answer? One battle at a time. The last dungeon is a painful slog to the point where 99 Elixirs is essentially mandatory. For me, I even enforced the rule that I must obtain the Crystal Sword and the Adamant Armor (from getting a Pink Tail), both of which were beyond brutal on their own. I believe the reason why he choses not to use items has to do with how much it can trivalize things. All the walls he hit where he resorted to grinding were situations wherein items would've made a difference. Using Barbarica as an example, she won't counter attack if you use attack items.

[@veghesther3204]

Abut that at lv 99 Cecil's BEST weapon is the Drainer/Blood SWORD but the Elban Castle TRAPPED monster chest in order to equip it is going to be at pain in the ass even WITH Paladin Cecil at lv 60+ and the Flame Sword from the Tower of Zot equipped before attempting to get the Blood Sword. But theirs still like 2 undead enemies IN the final dungeon as a random battle but none of the final dungeon bosses are immune to the HP drain effect. Dark Bahamut for the Crystal Sword/Ragnarok it tends to start out with Megaflare but on a Solo run it may at lv 99 possible still hit him for 9999 damage BEFORE you can use a Lunar Curtain but If you survive Megaflare it never uses it again on a solo Cecil game.

[@TheLunarLegend]

Sonuva, *Goes to play through ff4 for the millionth time now that it's in my mind*

[@bigolelevibickham7029]

still waiting for the ff5 platinum walkthrough

[@osurpless]

“Since I’m already level 78…” Good thing everything GBA and beyond when it comes to FFIV fixes that bizarre system in which you could actually LOSE statpoints post level 70…

[@OgKafrizel]

i was about to ask if that was fixed yet

[@mattshackleford2565]

Yes. yes you can.

[@Nevict]

I bet the result would be different if you used items.

[@lunarhare4215]

😎👍👍

[@baskra]

This was obvious to be fair but I was expecting you to get further I mean I was wondering what you were gonna do later against the likes of gobez and such Then there was final boss gonna say this now you had no chance

[@craigfunk3453]

This challenge is definitely version dependant. The 3D version dies to barbariccia simply because she can't be physically hit in her twister stance until its broken by a jump command and you don't have Kain for the four fiends rematch. Otherwise its mostly a game of knowing what statuses your foes use in each area and what gear to hold on to to counter said issues

[@Nathan_Talisien]

Did they remove her being hit by arrows in that version? That was a viable option in at least some other versions.

[@ArealDesEffekts]

these challenges are super cool🥰 I have just one critique: pls pls pls dont use always "you're not alone" soundtrack. I like this song alot, but for these videos I cant hear it anymore 😩 I am sure, you can figure something out, to not use it all the time again and again and again. see you hopefully with some ff5 pixel remaster soon 👉👈😇

[@binesy]

Wow this is a first for failed challenges right?

[@TheGajknight]

Z tier challenge runner. Grind to address the problem instead of using more than 2 brain cells to find a solution.

[@keeranmurphy]

I am commenting! I love you!!!

[@keithmccall2902]

Holy cow! Is this your first failed challenge?

[@reloadpsi]

I think there was a very short-lived FF8 draw-cast only challenge. The first boss was straight up unbeatable.

[@ace-trainer-aj]

So, will the Trap Doors and the Demon Wall be the showstopper?

[@godknightomega]

Trap Doors if I remember can have their insta-death attack reflected back at them.

[@ace-trainer-aj]

@@godknightomega Do you have an easy way to reflect with only Cecil, though?

[@thattruegamernerd]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@ace-trainer-ajYou can use a Light Curtain or Lunar Curtain, Light Curtains drop from Lamias who you can grind drops from a couple of ways before the Sealed Cave

[@godknightomega]

@@ace-trainer-aj Easy? No. But there's an item that you can farm that gives Reflect on use.

[@veghesther3204]

About that even on the Pixel remaster they almost NEVER drop them and the Demon Walls Crush instant kill attack is NOT only NOT reflectable but the Blink spell (decoy items) won't make it miss completely so Crush will always instantly kill you.

[@HoshiiKun]

Soo Cecil it's the only main character that can't beat his own game by himself... (Of all your challenges)

[@Konflick25769]

its totally possible ive seen another video of a guy doing it. Instead of just mindlessly grinding the other guy changes out equipment and takes advantage of elemental weaknesses with arrows and etc

[@1n1g0M]

So no can you beat garland with a single mobile phone video? :(

[@timyac]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen you fail a run. What is life?

[@WallaceZander]

Bump

[@veghesther3204]

Easily BUT lv 80+ is a must in order to kill the Trap Door enemies before their instant kill move triggers and you need Paladin Cecil at that lv in order to kill the Demon Wall boss BEFORE it kills him in 1 hit with Crush.

[@elsieoneill6181]

I feel like a boss for calling tornado lady out before I started watching 😅

[@arutirauland]

I guess Barbariccia didn't appreciate that you totally butchered her and her peers' names. That's what you get for skipping cutscenes in FFXIV, all their names are said aloud there 😁

[@chrisstannard9478]

I think just don't kill the party members in this instance. Have them kill each other and you focus on the boss

[@avatarpan]

Isn't his name pronounced Cecil?

[@Anime-Doom]

Please add some more songs to your repertoire, "You're Not Alone" may be a great song but having it as the sole background track in so many of these videos just makes it become less enjoyable to hear. Try using songs from the specific game you are actually playing.

[@joshstephens413]

Kinda saw the end coming. Barbarrica requires Kain to disrupt her Tornado form. Thinking you can brute force that is simply foolish.