Primer on Saps

[@JugglesGrenades]

While working as a road crew member for a band...one night a bouncer said, "Hey guys, I might need a little help here." Two drunks who had been ejected , came back with 4 friends. BUT, they had to come up some stairs, so they could only approach him one at a time. He held the spring in his hand with about two or three inches hanging out the thumb side of his fist. He used fast, sharp jabs. Every time he hit a drunk, the lead weight went forward hitting them about an inch to the left of his knuckle. I was impressed, both with his skill , and the effectiveness of a blackjack.

[@Zach-j3y]

Didn’t you tell this exact story on another video but YOU were the bouncer?! 🤨

[@stefanschleps8758]

Thank you Mr. Moore. "You disrupt them, you confuse them," you annihilate them!

[@markmeador1137]

I do leathercraft and the first thing I made was a leather sap, used bb’s for weight and with improvements later I put a 5” door spring in the grip so I wouldn’t hurt myself with recoil. I did use my sap once. I am 71 years old and a 20 something year old tried to rob me. One strike to the ribs and one to the side of the neck. He was down until the police got there. I have concealed carry but I wouldn’t shot someone unless I suspected they had a firearm also. I don’t understand why you can carry a firearm but it’s unlawful to have a sap. Great video.

[@robertyoung9589]

You must use your firearm. It's the law.

[@OnTheRiver66]

Yes, interesting comment. I live where I can carry a firearm and/or a knife, but when my son encountered a belligerent drunk “friend” who tried to choke him realized my options were lethal only. My son took him down without hurting him I didn’t have to do anything but I realized I needed a less than lethal method. I bought two saps but they look worse legally than a firearm. The edge against the neck is like a karate knife hand, and will put someone to sleep. A karate student of mine saw a policeman subduing a suspect who was resisting and the cop gave him a karate chop against the neck and the suspect (sometimes in the US called a “person of interest’ in order to pass as politely correct) and he passed out. The edge of a sap will do that with very little force.

[@jeffreybarton1297]

I've made a couple of long saps, but incorporated a thick steel cable that runs the length of the sap's. I got the finest lead shot I could find on the internet, which is fantastic, very fine, like sand. I mixed it with a contact adhesive, so that it solidified into a lump, and wouldn't pour out if the stitching in the leather gave way I find saps a quite elegant weapon.

[@abcdef501]

You should really make an KZbin channel, sir! There's nobody teaching the correct art of crafting these devices.

[@jeffreybarton1297]

​@@abcdef501 Sadly, I've had to stop making anything for about 16 months, due to a work injury (and also due to lack of money through being off work). However, if I get back on my feet, I have a nice piece of Veg tanned leather that's big enough to make a couple of Saps. If I make anything, I'll film it and put it on KZbin, and tell you in this comment thread. I'll make a note to remind me.

[@abcdef501]

@@jeffreybarton1297 thank you very much! How do you connect the steel cable with the lead? You melt it in? Or you don't connect it at all and just wrap the leather around? And ever tried to make a blackjack, or only saps? 😄

[@abcdef501]

Omg I'm so sorry, it's middle in the night here and I completely forgot that you said how you connect it!

[@jeffreybarton1297]

@@abcdef501 I didn't worry about connecting the cable, although I could have easily done it by simply pushing it into the lead shot/glue mix, while it was still wet. The leather layers are thick enough to not even bend at that point, so it doesn't make much difference. I haven't made a Blackjack yet, but I love the look of them. If I do, I'll have to do some research to find out the process of wrapping them. They look great, and even more lethal than Saps. Have you made any weapons yet?

[@MrSeamus1964]

When I was much younger (12) I was at a family party where my uncle volunteered me to be a practice dummy for a old time cop ( retired 1960) giving a master class to new guys on flat saps. He Knew all the spots to hit , shoulders, elbows top of a thumb, knees and how to as he said make ‘em comply or get a confession and not leave a mark.

[@chrismicro]

So...he was unethical, bad at his job and like most of 'em, relied on violence to coerce confessions of dubious truth and usefulness. I wonder how many innocent people confessed to crimes they didn't commit to make your uncle stop hitting them with what could be a deadly weapon. Great story, bud.

[@StClare_]

Honestly, so sorry you went through that. That's terrible child abuse.

[@stinkstank5177]

They are handy, don’t leave home without one!

[@Duende402]

US police stopped carrying them because they felt the optics were bad. The uniform trousers still come with a sap pocket behind the leg though.

[@paullytle1904]

Also the supreme court ruled that hitting a guy in the head is lethal force, if you are gonna use lethal force you have a pistol if you aren't you can't really use the sap

[@jamiekostecky9349]

Wym by optics?

[@DavidHernandez-dk1zs]

That's not true, the reason they stopped carrying was simply because it was too effective. Police had the misconception that using a sap on someone was not as bad as using a truncheon because the sap was smaller and flexed, they thought it was less lethal so many times cops would wail on people and smack them silly on the head. After many suspects suffered irreparable brain damage or died of head injuries, the police did away with the sap and replaced it with the baton. Most cops preferred the sap over the baton, from what I've heard.

[@Duende402]

@@jamiekostecky9349 Everybody has a cellphone camera these days. Raising something up to your head to hit someone just looks bad.

[@chiefslief1886]

​@@DavidHernandez-dk1zs exactly 👍🏻

[@jamesdiver2183]

Here's that twenty Quid I owe you Tommy🤣🤣

[@clawhammer704]

We had saps with our department back in the late seventies but they stopped using them and went with baton. They work.

[@ivangospodinov5326]

Very informative indeed, much appreciated. Would you please let me know what size is your black sap?

[@sicario91]

Thank you very informative. I feel SAP is a better defensive weapon and more effective in stopping attackers.

[@leehannaford9166]

That’s a nice sap🤩good demo👍

[@bradbrown5659]

Great explanation . I subscribed due to your knowledge . thank you .

[@Chambelona59]

Great vid.. well done!

[@TommyMooreww2combatives]

Cheers buddy

[@PointWithin]

I have the Boston Sap Jr. perfect size. Just got the coin purse one and looking for the proper lead weight to throw in with coins😊

[@carlhamer3402]

Hi made a few of these and they are great tools. Just got the book you recommended on using them as well. In mine I added welded steel saw bands in the flat handle for spring and then the lead filled core. Will try and add a few photos.

[@jamesnekechuk7830]

What is the name of the book? Thanks.

[@washingtonstatepicker3460]

Great video! I have always been interested in these!

[@alexanderalbrecht2591]

Booaaah Tommy. Thats a big great video from you.. I live in Germany and i have never seen this Sap since 70 years. Where can I buy this thing...?

[@leehannaford9166]

Davidson leather. He’s based here in the uk 🇬🇧 and he posts worldwide👍🏻or most places anyway!

[@mrmj2397]

" It's like using a power bitch slap" hahaha ... I hope I get to use that line on someone one day! I ordered a Sap last week. I figure it'd be good as a fish bonker? But i couldnt resist watching your video! In honesty, I was trying to find carry laws for these in Canada, but this is top notch stuff! Definitely a fan of the Sap over the Jack, the latter just reminds me of the old school Bobbies! Lol

[@DanielC__]

Millwall brick works good too. You just provide newspaper, coins and piss. Your in business lol

[@lordtoastyarb9486]

I have something that looks like a hybrid of a Sap and a Blackjack, its Cylindrical at the top but looks alot more like a sap and isnt as springy, it also has a large edge but it is really cylindrical

[@davidhook1970]

How long does the sap last? Does the leather become floppy overtime? Is there anything I should do to keep the sap in good shape?

[@elmanitasdeplomo]

Can’t seem to find these for sale in the EU.

[@jamesdylan2446]

Late to vid. Have say. Almost any part of face you get good contact with that sap you are using…it’s gonna break some bones. Easy. My brother n law use carry one in early 80s when cops were still allowed to use them. They are very deadly also. But I have had many injuries in life. I cannot fathom the pain of getting hit anywhere on face with that thing. Looks painful just looking at the sap alone lol. Very underrated self defense tool today.

[@DavidHernandez-dk1zs]

I was playing with my blackjack one time and I accidentally dropped it on my face from a height of like 12 inches or less. The head of the jack fell right on my eyebrow and it swelled up a little bit and left a welt. I cannot imagine ever using this on someone's face unless it was life or death, I have no doubt in my mind that a jack or sap can easily fracture and break a person's skull with a full swing, even a light tap will break teeth.

[@jamesdylan2446]

Oh yeah. I’m gonna get one. I forgot about these until I saw these vids. Like said before bro n law was a cop and they carried them in early 80s. I hit my hand with it lol. The pain is just so intense. That was me just hitting palm hand lol. You come full swing with this thing across face it’s gonna take them down. I’m sure will break bones possibly worse if hit just right. But the damn intense pain is what’s gonna drop them. Probably figure out they have broken face after the initial pain calms lol. I like them because just carry in back pocket. Not a pain to have one on ya at all times

[@KvltKommando]

awesome, they just legalized them in California. Pretty stupid they were ever illegal when we could just buy handguns and knives legally the entire time.

[@blitskreegdeantioch5851]

Good video. Thanks for making it.

[@ignitionfrn2223]

4:45 - Forehand blow 5:40 - Backhand blow 7:25 - Conclusion - - -

[@AndrewMuskett-s5e]

Sorry were do you buy yours I can’t seem to get one anywhere

[@SuperLaplander]

Will making that "Whooomp or Wham"-sound you make with your voice enhance the effect of the blow?

[@jimbojones101]

😅 . . . Yes.

[@brianvannorman1465]

Enduring such a weapon, makes me wonder if my hoodlum ancestors were made of sterner stuff.

[@charlescombs2522]

Where can I buy a good Sap in the United States?

[@billyjohnson2495]

Thank you, I had a sap when I was in my 20s love owning them.

[@chrisazure1624]

I made my girls a leather bag and put quarters in it. Its a coin purse officer.

[@Bellysplit4ways]

Where can you get these in united Kingdom

[@Adderbolt]

Is there anywhere in the UK where i can buy one of these or does anyone know someone i could contact to make me one? Thanks

[@TommyMooreww2combatives]

@@Adderbolt Davidson leather mate 🥊

[@Adderbolt]

@TommyMooreww2combatives thanks Tommy but he seems to only have plastic practice ones for sale? Great Channel btw 👍

[@garylabita8843]

Ya didn’t wanna get caught in NYC with that back in the day.

[@117rebel]

It’s hard to find a good quality sap.

[@myleftthumb2294]

So not on the back of the head like we typically see in old movies?

[@DavidHernandez-dk1zs]

You hit someone on the back of the head with a sap and that guy is gonna be lucky if he ever wakes up again. A sap will easily fracture a human skull, and the back of the head is one of the most lethal spots to hit a person, even pro boxers have gotten severe brain damage and died from getting punched in the back of the head while wearing thick padded gloves. Remove the gloves and replace it with a hard piece of lead wrapped in leather and that's basically what you are doing with a sap

[@chiefslief1886]

I heard the bone from the skull is thinner on the back of the head..so certainly brain damage or...death. In short: just Don't do that.

[@user-fm3xr9yz3i]

Thanks Sami Zayn.

[@griffey11]

I live in the US, I gotta carry lethals man

[@vvv-k5k]

Как вы там так живёте хрен его знает ((

[@redclayscholar620]

Keep a non lethal handy. Some issues can be handled better with a sneaky snap instead of a loud pop.

[@peaceformula5830]

Huge blacks there in the cities you need to carry.

[@HEAVENTWA]

hi, what's a sap filled with and can it get past metal detectors???????????????????????????

[@bharnden7759]

Usually a chunk of lead, or birdshot. I have thought to stitch up one myself, using a teaspoon as as a mold, and melting lead with a propane torch.

[@jeffreybarton1297]

You could fill it with sand and avoid metal detectors.

[@rpfwny5757]

Davidson leather

[@gkewley42]

Some saps ahve spring steel embedded.

[@markh2715]

carried a sap for 10 years as a police officer then was forced to trade it in for an ASP. ASP is actually better.

[@markhoffman3702]

B.S. had to go to An ASP as well. Stripes them up like a zebra, but not nearly as effective.

[@TheGreatest1974]

Here’s part 2!⬇️ kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZm7l4KOg5afeJo

[@theblademasterbikerboy]

I Carry a coin SAP everyday

[@steventhorson4487]

🇺🇲👍👌

[@overdafalls26]

What brand of SAP is that? Any idea what it costs? And what are the dimensions?

[@steventhorson4487]

Excellent video!!