E20 Petrol: Good or Bad for your E10 Car? Detailed Discussion | Part 1

[@gurinderdeol7]

Thanks alot sunder bhaji for bringing video on this major topic, as i was worried that what will happns to the cars which support only E10 or non of these , perivously i watch a video of one of the big automobile youtuber in which he was saying u will problems of fuel pumps nd all in future , now after watching ur video am totally free of mind for my vw virtus , once again thanks alot to nd to munish ji.

[@mannsinghs]

All these Ethanol songs of stabilizers and Additives are stories. It slows down corrosion but doesn't stop it. Further even E20 compliant cars today are not E20 Tuned(which will happen in 2025). All in all, Govt is beating the crap out of Indian consumers for the political lobby. Intelligent govt would ensure E10 availability along with E20, but this government is not giving any info. Billions of dollars given to govt in Car and other vehicle taxes are getting used to screw customers. I am all for reducing oil dependency on Middle East..We absolutely must do that but intelligently, with planning. Josh without Hosh destroys, but Josh with Hosh is great creative force!

[@NocturnalEngineer95]

Kuch petrol pump wale tabse blending kr rahe hai jabse blending ka concept aya bhi ni tha 😂

[@aaminsaan4978]

Kerosene blending k10 😂😂😂😂

[@SunderdeepSingh]

hahaha so true!

[@vijuvlogs]

Aur abhi bhi kar rahe hain😂😂

[@janmejaypanda5414]

😂😂😂

[@mantasticsiddharth4936]

Are bhai tum galt fehmi me ho😂 jin pumps ki tum baat kar rahe ho unse hi blending ka concept lia gaya hai😂😂

[@BH19555]

Low mileage. High cost of travel and transportation. Rubber gasket and hose will get damaged. To decrease import bill we can introduce E100 compatible engine.

[@ravikant840]

I don't trust the guy in black t shirt. He sounds like a government representative, lol. Most car companies have a warranty policy that say if you use more than 10% blend then warranty on engine is void.

[@mannsinghs]

Bakwaas.....IOCL launched green diesel. It has already blocked injectors of many cars..... All blending additives etc. can slow down corrosion - they cannot stop corrosion. Sooner or later impact will be felt on E10 engines until and unless OMCs also continue with E10 fuel even at a higher cost.

[@Orca_techie]

You guys are very knowledgeable!

[@mangalmurtibhosale]

Please keep yourself to the areas of your expertise, he is not even able to pronounce the chemicals properly... reading articles and making vlog is absolute nonsense

[@SunderdeepSingh]

If anything is told wrong then please tell, otherwise any kind of information is grabbed from some kind of sources only. Thankfully this video has 97% like rate too so I value the majority audience.

[@sunitization]

There is difference between theory and actual affect. In short its harmful to put e20 in older cars 😅

[@bhatshahid2664]

Lekin pumps pe ab E20 ho milta hoga to kya karenge log😊

[@sunitization]

@@bhatshahid2664 jab tak chale chalao phir kabadi mai bechkar new le lo

[@karthikcs6373]

Sir ethanol has higher density then petrol so it will settle in bottom of petrol bunk tank, if we test that bottom petrol then what result we will get..?? E80, E50, or E20

[@shariqshaikh7670]

What fuel should I go for? I drive a petrol 2020 seltos. Usually filling the regular fuel from jio bp or shell.

[@NirajKumar-Geeks]

Hi sir, I recently bought skoda Kushaq and from last one month I was using xp95 . By mistake my brother filled E20 petrol(30 litre). Is it fine. Next time I will stick to xp95. Please let me know your thought.

[@saranshfattepuria9952]

Today I did the same mistake and filled the tank with E20 fuel. I hope it doesn’t harm it in one tank

[@PeterGerald]

While mileage was X in pure petrol, we are getting 2/3rd mileage in current petrol. So ultimately we are ending up using more petrol than what we used to use earlier. So I'm not understanding how the import is reducing. I think this is a scam.

[@Orca_techie]

Skoda's 1 L engine is E20 certified by ARAI this year.

[@nawabmalik1828]

This Man is A Nerd & has No Particular Knowledge !!

[@phoneixfmg]

E20 alway causes many issue in veuchle i always have to take service of my veichle to mechanic being owner of bs4 activa

[@pronoyroy1823]

It was a significant drop in mileage in my 1lt rapid while using E20 petrol as compared to xp95 power almost was same like xp95.

[@mandeepsingh9469]

is e20 fuel started coming on pumps?

[@KhushpreetSinghGrover-hp3ol]

@@mandeepsingh9469 it has already been there for the past 2 years. Govt as always just want to extract maximum taxes and then think of reducing the price after they have completed their tax collection goals.

[@deepsaurabh7579]

You will get better mileage, fill 50% E20 and 50% normal E10. Power and mileage will slightly increase in 1L TSI. (High Octane engine) w.r.t XP95. Normal engine should not use any thing more than E8, unfortunately we had to use E10 in India.

[@PeeyushSharma_hp]

My friend book today taigun topline mt shifted from creta 1.6 petrol 16. person join the vw family.

[@jt-sd2hc]

And is it worth?

[@PeeyushSharma_hp]

@@jt-sd2hc totally

[@prashantsingh1911]

Cars manufactured after 2011 are mostly e10 compatible. e10 compatible does not mean the engine will run as smooth as 100 percent petrol. All modern mpfi, gdi cars runs using sensors (map, maf, crank,cam position, air intake temperature, rpm, throttle position etc) which is sent to ECM to decide ignition timing, injector open duration etc. Most petrol engine are designed to run around AFR of 14.7 for petrol. The AFR for E20 fuel is around 13.3 which is lower than pure petrol ideal AFR for best combustion and mileage. For engine to run smooth on E10, E12 or E20, car manufacturers should release new ECM maps. I think Maruti Suzuki has already started updating ECM of old cars to be compatible with E12. In future, they might release ECM firmware updates for E20 fuel. Apart from the software issue which causes low mileage and engine knock, there are other issues with material compatibility which is widely discussed on youtube videos

[@jethalalgada5]

Good to see Munish Ji after so long. Such insightful discussions are really a treat to watch! Loved the subtle humour too 😂 Try including such humorous bits in every video as they make the video more engaging and entertaining. Waiting for the next part :)

[@SunderdeepSingh]

Aap mere Bhai ke saath video aane dijiye, lot pot ho jayenge

[@jethalalgada5]

@@SunderdeepSingh zarur 😂

[@jethalal_gada6]

​@@jethalalgada5are tum kon ho

[@jethalalgada5]

@@jethalal_gada6 Mai Jethalal Champaklal Gada. Gokuldham society me rehta hu aur Gada Electronics naam ki meri dukaan hai. Tum kon ho bhai?

[@varunchitkara1310]

​@@jethalalgada5arey Bhra jalebi fafda khane hai . Or suna . Ki hall chall jetha bhra 😂.. Jetha bhra apke pass konse gadi h skoda??

[@NavrajRajLostSouls]

Ethanol burns more efficiently then normal petrol. SO a better blast inside cylinder. But how it will effect cars pipes- hoses and internals of older cars, DON'T KNOW, ONLY TIME WILL TELL.

[@MrDrone-qt6sw]

youtube me sabi expert he hai e10 e20 junk hai

[@sufiyanadam]

Bhai Munish ji kitni bakwas karte hain kaam ki Baat karne se Pehle. 8 minute tak bas kahani batate rahenge "itni anokhi Baat Hai, aise sources hain waise sources hain, lehsun adrak, mere Ye contacts wo contacts, Ye Website woh website, falana damaka" uske Baad 1 kaam ki baat batayenge, main to unki knowledge ki respect karta hun par unhe abhi deliver karna seekhna hoga. Obviously KZbin ka experience kam hai isiliye aisa ho. Par same information bina suspense aur badayi kare, 8 minute mein complete kar sakte hain, paka dete hain point bolne se Pehle. Massive respect though.

[@SunderdeepSingh]

Massive respect? 👑

[@aatishkasbe8318]

bhai e20 ka petrol e10 or 5 engine ke liye sahi hai ya nahi itna bata de??? itna ghumake baat mat karo hame petrol ghar pe nahi produce krna hai

[@vijuvlogs]

13 min kab khatam hua pata hii nahi chala😂😂 Munish ji ke saath 30 mins ka video kum se kum hoba chahiye

[@vijuvlogs]

Hona*

[@SubhrajitGoswami11]

All CBSE class 12 chemistry students should watch this video and they will be all ready for boards 😅

[@LovenishSachdeva]

Firstly, if you are saying there is 80 20 proportion of petrol to ethanol then that needs to reiterated. Ethanol is so much hydrophilic that pure ethanol cannot be synthesized (always comes as 99.9% m/m). So it is 80:19.9:0.1 Further, if the 'stablizers' are that effective then what is the reason that blending is done just before the fuel is to be transferred to pumps. Why is it not blended and stored at refineries? The simple reason is fear of phase separation. Once that happens water would start to settle down as water is much denser then oil and start the corrosion of big reservoirs base (which is a costly affair). Also, post separation the reblending is a challenge. Further, the truck tankers used to transfer are filled to the brim to minimise the chances of water absorption by ethanol. So, a practical solution would be to use fuel stabilizers and get tank topped up or very low (to minimise absorption) if your vehicle is going to sit ideal for weeks, buy petrol from pumps that rotate good volumes, try to run the vehicle daily and when getting the vehicle serviced - asking for inspection of fuel tank for any sign of debris, metal coatings. Also, to add the reason for better combustion by blending ethanol is not organic additives but rather the octane number of ethanol itself. Octance specifies the ability of fuel to withstand compression before it self ignites. Blending ethanol with petrol elevates the octane rating of the fuel. So, that is why it is much better for efficient combustion. As the piston compresses air fuel mixture, you would want the mixture to withstand the full piston compression, so that efficient blue flame combustion happens and maximum push to piston is transferred. This might lead to a rationale that higher octane rating fuel would require more piston travel to combust. So, we might require new setups altogether as we increase blending ratio. Thanks for bringing out a video on the topic.

[@SunderdeepSingh]

These are great insights

[@deepsaurabh7579]

Spot on, very correct 💯. Ford research found E27 as sweetest spot.

[@thunderengines8786]

Good content

[@georgeroots599]

One more point to keep in mind is that the energy content or calorific value of ethanol is much lower than petrol. What this means is that more E20 fuel has to be burnt compared to E0 fuel to maintain the same output. In layman's terms "lower mileage".

[@parminderji1046]

Butane ethanol 10……20……. Propane bhai we need to drive car

[@SunderdeepSingh]

🤣

[@staycalm-sa77]

There are reports from kerala of insect attack on pipe due to high ethanol presence causing petrol leak. Insects that drill on wood are the ones that does this. Have you noticed any such news in the north? If this is true, would e20 compatible vehicles have added prevention for this issue?

[@SunderdeepSingh]

Wow! That's crazy. Yet to hear such an incident from the North side.

[@Mj-nc3ub]

​@@SunderdeepSingh😂

[@sidz0001]

Much needed helpful video. Kudos to the vast research. However, need a detailed Part 3 as I'm still not fully convinced to fill e20 fuel filled with many chemicals on my BS3 cars. Need a practical perspective and assurance now that the theory is clear.

[@krn_5521]

Sir I have cleaned pétrol tank of my classic 350 3 times in last 2 year ..... Bcoz of missing problem .... Everytime I found something is mixed with petrol ....bcoz petrol fumes were not so strong .....mechanic also told me that this is either ethanol or something else mixed by petrol pumps ..... And even this has caused issues with my carburettor !

[@SunderdeepSingh]

Surely e20

[@krn_5521]

@@SunderdeepSingh i think it was e40-50 🙂

[@aishikchatterjee]

Very nice.. amazing... Now question why do then manufacturer are upgrading E10 to E20

[@dratul15]

Yes😂if these additives in ethanol can solve all problems then why are manufacturers specifically mentioning e 20 compatible, whilst they could have continued with e10 only

[@yateshasher4872]

Much requested video. Thanks a lot for touching upon this topic 🙏. Waiting for next part.

[@KaranSingh5]

Thank you so much for this discussion. I really needed some insight on this topic.

[@sayednizam2713]

Chemistry teacher here. I can fully verify that Manish Ji is an exceptional researcher and is cent percent accurate

[@therajasond]

All Honda cars manufactured since 2009 in India are E20 compliant !!

[@therajasond]

While phase 1 BS6 VW 1.0 is not E20 complaint, I own a VW Virtus 1.0 and a Civic 1.8

[@Nanak_AFS]

Good news, now a conversion kit which identifies the percentage of ethanol mix in the fuel and filters it and supplies purified gas to the engine. Moreover this kit is compatible upto 85% of ethanol blending and also in the process of being approved by ARAI and will be soon available as a plug and play device across the country. DM if you wish to source this kit...

[@kiran_mr]

Does premium petrol like speed, power, xp95 etc. also contain 20% ethanol ?

[@SunderdeepSingh]

12%

[@dratul15]

Arrey if these additives can make your e10 car run smoothly on e 20 than why companies are specifically mentioning their new cars as e 20 compatible,Something is seruously wrong and neither the companies nor the government is telling us Its not that simple

[@amitashsrivastava1857]

Am I the only one who uses xp95/power fuel? A tad heavy on the pocket but saves the engine nonetheless .

[@SunderdeepSingh]

No, we all are with you. It has 12% ethanol though

[@ashishgulati9212]

I respect the knowledge imparted and the contents of this video BUT honestly, I'll believe it when I see this in action. I still have trust and anxiety issues. Aisa ho hi nahi sakta ki E20 fuel aapki car main agar 2/3/5/7 din tak stagnant padha rahe and oil and water separation ki wajah se parts pe affect na ho. I think the logical move would be that E10 and E20 co-exist at every petrol pump for some time. How to push buyers towards buying E20 compliant cars? Sell E20 fuel at a lesser price than E10, hence, hike E10 fuel prices even more.

[@SunderdeepSingh]

I agree with you. I honestly don’t trust this Government, Oil Companies & Car manufacturers. The ecosystem is getting built up that you are forced to change your car after 6-8 years. This move kinda suggests that too.

[@ashishgulati9212]

@@SunderdeepSingh Agree paaji. As usual, the case is same for us as always .. helpless taxpayers.

[@Deepak__Mehta]

Mujhe kya mai to commerce vala hu , mujhe kuch smjh nhi aaya bs maan leta hu munish ji jo keh rhe hai shi hai. 😂😂😂

[@SunderdeepSingh]

Same here ;)

[@vwpolo612]

Would I be able to re-register my old diesel Rapid after 2027?

[@SunderdeepSingh]

Yes, fee would be hefty though

[@dil_se_Bharatiya]

Thanks for such a detailed explanation and bringing peace of mind for my Kushaq 1.0, 2021 model. You got a new subscriber.🙂

[@dheerajraj02]

Bro, you cover almost every important query I have. Thanks for your support and spreading knowledge. "Please create a video about VW paint, dent & insurance services."

[@nitinthakur960]

Lovely to see Munish Ji back on Channel. Lovely chemistry you guys also have :-) I have got Kushaq 1.0 TSI MT June, 2022 Model which does not have E-20 written on the Petrol Tank. Should I get XP 95 filled for better performance or still stick to normal Petrol for Engine Longetivity and maintenance.. It's 7rs. costlier than normal petrol in Delhi NCR. Pls. suggest. Many thanks

[@SunderdeepSingh]

XP95 highly recommended for optimal performance

[@nitinthakur960]

Great Thanks Paaji@@SunderdeepSingh

[@RajatSingh-rr3vn]

What about Tiguan? Does it have an E20 compatible engine too. ???

[@abhimanyu-co.]

Manish himself has no clue if E20 petrol will damage BS-4 Petrol cars 😂😅

[@hiteshshettyy]

Great info Sir

[@anuragpandey6554]

Do we need to clean and 'De carbon' and lubricate parts of new POLO 1 lt TSI at 30000 km ? service advisor is saying it's must but I never got it done in previous Fabia, city or Ecosport . Or shall I ask for schedule maintenance only ?

[@jayeshroundhal4818]

Second❤

[@ravishankars6707]

Ethanol has less gas mileage than normal petrol because it has less energy content.

[@deepsaurabh7579]

Thermodynamics plays big role, infact E27 is sweetest spot.

[@sachingirase3508]

​@@deepsaurabh7579 pls explain

[@easternprestige]

Is Munish ji a chemistry teacher in real😅

[@amrinderpalsinghbains1188]

Is e20 fuel available on jio bp raipur ?

[@sakshmvashist8278]

As a Virtus owner, shall I continue with XP95? I am an HP fan but HP pumps don't give any assurance whether their Power is Power95 or same Octane 93? Please advise, Sunderdeepji.

[@saumabhobagchi5547]

Best to take xp95

[@deepsaurabh7579]

HP is non hydrocarbon additive base, never use HP higher octane fuel in TSI. If you are using HP petrol bunk stick to normal E10, or use XP95 from a reliable petrol bunk, COCO.

[@sakshmvashist8278]

@@deepsaurabh7579 WoW. This information is super insightful and helpful.

[@piyushpriyadarshi8132]

​@@deepsaurabh7579Great insight. Do you have any insight about the Octane rating for E20 petrol in India.

[@deepsaurabh7579]

@@piyushpriyadarshi8132 Don't know exact Octane rating of E20 fuel sold in India, since E10 achieved 91Octane from 87Octane, E20 with similar base petrol and ethanol should be around 97 .

[@bhatshahid2664]

Is E20 available now everywhere or also e10

[@vickyarora1889]

If additive mixed E20 petrol was already fine for every car then what companies mean when they say that they have made their engines E20 compliant....🤔

[@SunderdeepSingh]

That’s true. Something is fishy, I will do a video tomorrow on my personal stand on it.

[@YogeshJhala-du8xg]

Sunderdeep, My question is that if E20 is OK for all Cars then why it is being said that so and so Car engine is E20 compliant? Secondly, if tomorrow government start selling E30 or E40 petrol in that case also same yardstick will apply?

[@deepsaurabh7579]

E20 not suitable for most car engine using more than 5year old technology.

[@PeeyushSharma_hp]

Manish ji 1.5 ltr celender deactivation tech manual ke sath acha hai ya dsg ke sath . best combo kon sa hai??🤔🚗

[@karandeepsingh6237]

Munish ji aap bhi koi video dal do apne channel par🥲

[@canary2020]

What is the composition of Extra premium petrol, since it is octane 95. Can we use it to escape from E20? As Ethanol octane rating is 113, are we paying more and buying more ethanol added gasoline?

[@SunderdeepSingh]

It has 13% ethanol as per team bhp sources

[@mangalmurtibhosale]

When i filled my tank with E20 first time, i even didnt think of it, bcoz common sense says all the care has already been taken

[@SunderdeepSingh]

Not as easy as you think tbh www.netsolwater.com/what-is-e20-fuel-and-how-does-biofuel-benefits-india.php?blog=4291

[@omprakashworld]

Space-ship k paise Manish ji rakhlen, aur Gold mine k Sunder ji... to thik rahega...

[@SunderdeepSingh]

Yeh bhi theek hai, santosh kar lenge

[@karanbundhela3336]

Sirji shades some light on virtus/salvia water noise on when rev the engine while after the cold start and and recent water leakage issues?

[@SunderdeepSingh]

Not an issue. Was there in my Slavia too when you keep AC on.

[@jethalalgada5]

First 🌚

[@SunderdeepSingh]

👑👍

[@SubhrajitGoswami11]

Good chemistry class ❤

[@kill3rbyysight]

Sir Honda Elevate k media event pe nae gae??

[@SunderdeepSingh]

Not that big yet Brother. Nor in the race either.

[@utsavchaudhuri]

When is Part 2 coming? 🙂

[@SunderdeepSingh]

Just uploaded

[@gauravpatil9536]

Octane number kam ho toh skoda vw gadi ka performance kam ho jata hai, ab 10% ya 20% ethenol aisa chemical jo combustion ho sakta hai magar, woh octane property wala hai hi nahi, aur ethenol ki enthalpy value bhi petrol se kam hi hai, toh jo additives aapne bole usase gaadi kharab na ho magar, perform bhi na kare toh fayda kya performance car lene ka.

[@deepsaurabh7579]

Higher the ethanol higher the performance, as you can burn much more amount of ethanol than petrol.

[@mrearwheeldrive8280]

​@@deepsaurabh7579😂kuch bhi

[@rahultak4050]

Paaji lekin Jo hamare BS3 BS4 two wheeler hai unka kya hoga koi problem to nahi aayegi

[@LovenishSachdeva]

I believe the two wheeler's are at E5 compatibility today. Moving to E20, expect a 6-7 % drop in mileage.

[@deepsaurabh7579]

Pakka aiyega, after 5-6 years.

[@PlzRemoveThisHandleFeature]

iise petrol ki rate kam hogi kya 😅?

[@SunderdeepSingh]

Govt would never pass on the benefits to the customer, remember

[@PeeyushSharma_hp]

7c ??

[@SunderdeepSingh]

Action Cam, DJI OSMO