Prius Brakes FAIL (Hidden COST of Hybrids)

Uh oh...this clean 2010 Toyota Prius with 230k miles has a weird ABS system FAILURE.
No codes set, but the booster assist pump keeps cycling every 15-30 seconds.
Sounds like there is an internal LEAK inside the fancy "ABS Brake Booster Stroke Simulator Module" assembly.
To repair this issue costs an arm and a leg...
Oh, and you NEED an OEM-level scanner to perform the ultra-complicated brake bleeding procedure.
Do Hybrids really save you money in the long run??
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Enjoy!
Ivan

[@damiangrouse4564]

From my days in military and civilian aircraft maintenance I always thought that engineers should be forced to pull wrenches for at least three years before the let them near a design department.

[@pirihern9329]

Getting way too complicated. Hope for the future

[@Guysm1l3y]

The "M" in DFM is "manufacturing", not "maintenance". Engineers aren't paid to give two shits what a mechanic thinks because there's no money in making something easier to work on. Frustrating but that's reality.

[@damiangrouse4564]

@@Guysm1l3y I understand that and s mechanics usually don’t give two shits when anything goes wrong and it feeds back to engineering…and believe me, some mechanics make it a point to exacerbate problems they see.

[@NoWr2Run]

@Jacks Journale VERY ACCURATE & GOOD RANT, A +.

[@damiangrouse4564]

@MrMagOOo they’re not entirely told how to do it.

[@vw5056]

Great channel. Just working on cars to teach us something. No ranting, time wasting, sales pitches or annoying music. Never change.

[@billmalec]

Amen to all of that!

[@Frank-pv1hp]

Hey Ivan. We work on tons of Lexus and Toyota vehicles at our shop. Quite a few of these that aren't hybrids use the same type of brake system. We have had to replace them on the non-hybrids as well, they are just easier to get to. PITA for sure but actually profitable once you've done a couple. Most shops in our area won't touch them.

[@troylollysaf9311]

My 2010 prius with 148k miles has blinking high temperature light. It comes on for 1min every time entering freeway. Sometimes my prius has heat but sometimes doesnt turn on. Its been like this 3months now couldn't figure out. I replaced thermostat at 148k already but didn't fix the issue.

[@jlinkhart]

I was wondering if that’s the same type of accumulator setup as my 2006 land cruiser. 👍

[@rocketsmall4547]

@@troylollysaf9311 purge the coolant system. theres probably videos on it. or park car facing up hill open radiator cap. run car till warm up and add coolant. if not then find the video. disclaimer im not prius expert

[@janoskovari9295]

I have a '03 Lexus GS and noticed this pump turning on for a looong time every morning on ignition. Sometimes it does two cycles. It also turns on sometimes when braking. I guess I have a similar problem then. I was thinking more like vacuum canister leaking or something.

[@heshamsaeid1355]

I do have toyota pirius 2010 and the engine is broken and I want to fix it how much it will cost and what is the address?

[@samcooke2742]

I've been waiting for my favorite KZbin mechanics to work on a hybrid. There probably aren't any Piouses in Avoca. Thanks for taking this on, Ivan.

[@Cheepchipsable]

There is another Prius vid from years ago.

[@jamesbruno5896]

Putting used parts in such a complicated safety system seems to be a huge liability! Thanks for taking us along job well done Ivan!

[@2nickles647]

That's why the owner is notified. No warranty. No liability.

[@matthew1992ya]

Used parts won't work

[@NoWr2Run]

If you don't have the MONEY ( FOR NEW PARTS ) & ONLY YOU DRIVE THE VEHICLE, I SEE NO PROBLEM WITH IT. At least the person is getting it fixed, a lot don't. When my wife was alive I put ALL NEW NAME BRAND PARTS ON HER JEEP. BECAUSE MY WIFE'S SAFETY IS INVOLVED. My car I went to a PICK-N-PULL to get my parts unless it was something CHEAP & sometimes you got lucky & found very new parts for my car. If not I bought New or Reman. & I enjoyed going through all the vehicles at the PICK-N-PULL. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU WILL FIND, IT'S ALMOST LIKE HUNTING, LOL.

[@stevendegreef93]

Maybe the owner is planning to sell real soon…. fix and flip

[@mph5896]

You are aware every single part on that car is used.

[@mikesvirtualgarage9917]

This was pretty wild, mainly due to the bleed procedure. Seems easy to follow, but dang, that seems like a lot of fluid needed, and even for such a small car. Another awesome video, Ivan!

[@alpanosap]

Thank you so much for your video ive watched several other videos for same repair and replacement but, what makes your clip unique and defferent than others is , that you showed both bleeding and calibration prosses nobody else has done it and I'm really greatful that you shared it. thanks again I wish you good luck and success hoping to see more videos from you in future.

[@outofthinair1]

2 hour bleed procedure and a $100.00 dollars worth of brake fluid later. Ivan you are fearless, I would have looked at the bleed sequence and ran. As always, outstanding video and a valuable lesson on the pitfalls of owning a hybrid vehicle.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I was surprised that the procedure actually worked out on the first try... What a waste of brake fluid haha

[@NoWr2Run]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics So was I, IT VERKED, IT VERKED THE FIRST FREAKIN TIME.

[@psdaengr911]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Its not "hybrids". It's THAT Toyota ABS system.

[@janpur1417]

It won't cost that much. Just bleed at the master pump and then at the wheels. See prado brake masterpump video on youtube.

[@18avshalom]

Only an idiot would take two hours to waste $100 in fluid. I bleed these all the time in 20 minutes and only use $10 in fluid.

[@falcon8553]

That brake bleed was intense! Great work and patience 👍.

[@jdtractorman7445]

Prius boost assist pump replacement time: 1.5 hours. Prius brake bleed procedure time 3.5 hours. So without the aid of the scan tool, this repair would be a no go. Got to love the complicated ones.

[@paulsz6194]

That’s where your gas / fuel savings go -back into the maintenance of the car, as you need to take to a knowledgeable automotive technician with the right tools and experience to service such sophisticated cars. No visits to the nearest a jiffy Lube anymore!

[@jdtractorman7445]

@@paulsz6194 Yes, 1500-2000 worth of repairs at the dealer.

[@MTLeopold]

Stealership gonna steal. Really any car is going to reach a point where the cost of upkeep is not worth it. Most people would have traded it in by this point. I think the real lesson here is don't buy used unless you have deep pockets.

[@flagmichael]

@@paulsz6194 The maintenance of the car is where the real savings come in. Failures like this are rare, while ugly things like Nissan CVT explosions are just a matter of time and miles. In the past 19 years I have had a 2002 Prius, a 2010 Prius, and a 2014 Prius, all bought used. In all those years my total maintenance time (besides the usual PM stuff) has been negligible. In contrast, all our other cars required repairs several times a year. In a total of about 300K miles among those cars I never once had to do anything to the brakes. The 2002 needed a hybrid battery rebuild at 208K miles and 18 years; $2000 and some basic wrenching set it up for the rest of its life. The 2010 apparently became magnetized, being hit by a sideswiper, a deer running full tilt into the driver's door, and a young woman who thought her doctor was being too uptight about her driving without her seizures under control... all within six months. The 2014 has been wonderful to us. I will never buy a conventional car, with all its troubles, again. 30 years of misery was enough for me.

[@paulsz6194]

@@flagmichael ok, wasn’t aware they are more reliable than what you hear . I’ve only heard of the bad ones on other Automotive repair channels like Diagnose Dan & Advanced level .

[@craighenty]

Time consuming maybe be but not particularly hard for a man of your skill. Like others have said trouble free for 230k that’s typical Toyota and if that’s all it needed was a few hours tlc. That ain’t bad by a long way. I own a Prius and it’s given me 50k trouble free already. Just a youngster compared to this one. Great video as always.

[@NoWr2Run]

AGREED, NOT PARTICULARLY HARD FOR IVAN, ME, LMAO, NO.

[@wisdom8295]

Unbelievably, hard procedure to follow. What if you don't have computer? Thanks for sharing. Cool job.

[@erik_dk842]

@@NoWr2Run Put on a new CAPS LOCK key on your computer keyboard. It's sticking in the ON position

[@angeliqueillstopprocrastin479]

But finding a man of his skill that isn't at the dealer(and even then the skill at some dealers is still questionable lol) is the issue. Where I am-there's not ONE independent mechanic that knows anything about how to competently repair a Prius.

[@erik_dk842]

@@angeliqueillstopprocrastin479 I fell sorry for your loss

[@stephengordon8968]

Glad to see you work thru it and get it fixed , I have an 07 prius and they are honestly not that bad to work on , and not that expensive used parts are everywhere .

[@icesoft1]

Ford Windstar's have a similar wiper-tray design, not too difficult to remove the wiper tray, and totally worth it for the access gained.

[@RemmikRotus]

I wouldn’t consider a part that fails at 230k “hidden cost of hybrids”. This car is past EOL. Any maintenance at this point is not what I would consider normal maintenance.

[@phprofYT]

230k miles and needs a new brake booster stroke simulator module. Not bad, really. My 2014 RAM EcoDiesel needs a new DOC/DPF at 125k miles. Extended manufacture warranty (due to AEM settlement) is replacing it for no cost. Would have been $1700 for the part and then labor if I had to foot the bill.

[@r3dhorse]

It's a Fiat Chrysler made vehicle. I'm surprised it lasted that long.

[@bmw803]

Had a problem with my DPF on my 13 TDI Jetta. Lucky it was covered by Dieselgate warranty. I'm dont with Diesels. Had 6 of them before, but all those emissions systems make it no longer worth it.

[@mikemartenson4357]

I’ve owned generation 2, 3 and now 4. All had close to 100k when I sold them, general maintenance and never a problem. Good info on the brakes, thanks!

[@icesoft1]

Could he call the dealership and ask if the donor VIN has had the recall done already, suggesting that the supplied parts should not be an issue?

[@kellyx57]

Or, maybe you can determine whether the supplied parts are post-recall parts by the P/N's or date codes on them.

[@NoWr2Run]

icesoft, GREAT IDEA.

[@psdaengr911]

@@kellyx57 They would have different model numbers.

[@dj3114]

I have a new Toyota hybrid (21) and hoping they have that figured out by now,. At around 10k per year, hopefully won't have the issue before trading it off. This video is very informative - I enjoy watching talented people work on things that are miles above my own ability.

[@johndoyle4723]

Yes, I know, an old video. Very brave taking on this fix, a big risk for the customer if it failed probably terminal for the vehicle, I am sure you cleared it first with the customer. Not many would tackle this and I am always impressed with what you do take on. Thanks for keeping me entertained .

[@wwjccsd]

I have to get my ABS actuator replaced for a gen2 since it is finally going at near 20 years but there are places that do this replacement, only $300 for labor, $400 for used part off ebay ($1200+ for oem on toyota website) so there are places that do this, but you're only really likely to find it in a city. But if you're handy there are no less than 5 step by step videos on youtube on how to DIY with the most toyota has to do is flush the brakes (hint they can still fk that up)

[@egn83b]

Brake boosters on the prius are usually pretty reliable. Even if you had to go to salvage route, mosts times then not your gonna have a good used working part. Most prius in salvage are because the driver failed to change oil or just cant drive and ran into something.

[@psdaengr911]

That's true of most cars in salvage yards.

[@alohajason]

I did salvaged ones, paid to get installed. Now I do new from Toyota

[@michaeldoe4805]

I purchased a 2021 Mitsubishi Mirage 6 months ago, I am getting 40mpg with suburban driving, 50-52 on highway. 3 cylinder 1.2L with a cvt transmission... It's simplicity is a breath of fresh air

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

That's impressive!

[@abdurraheemali9303]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I was wondering if you you have any contact information and if so can you please share it, thank you 😊

[@rogerandlaurie]

Thanks Ivan ! Great video on the Prius brake system ! I just recently got the Prius brake/abs/TC/! warning lights on my dash alerting me to the brake booster /accumulator replacement needed on my 2011 with 120K . Figured I would tackle it myself, then learned about needing the "OEM level" scanner to bleed the system . Started looking at my repair options besides the local Toyota "stealership" . My local shop didn't want to tackle it . Found your video ..........THANKS ! I was going to contact you , to have you do it for me (I am about 1 hour away) but your video helped give me the confidence to tackle the bleeding procedure myself (installing the parts is np for me) . I ordered the exact same Thinktool Pros in your link (used your amazon link , so hopefully that helped ) ! Thanks for all you do, from a new Subscriber ! Not sure if you have a Patreon account yet for people to say thanks with some monetary thank you donation ? Thanks again !!!

[@sohailrabani]

You are a real sticking man bro..you never let go anything you start working on untill its fixed or it cries out..ivan for God sakes send me to junk yard..your advise to customer about his parts is real good deed.cheers

[@Ram14250]

Good repair Ivan. Very complicated!

[@62ejo]

Great job Ivan,I am surprise the brake fluid is standard and not some secret formula.....

[@treborg777]

The 2010 Prius brake master cylinder replacement cost me $3000 to replace at a dealership. I paid $24k for the whole vehicle new. Toyota over-integrated the master cylinder with regen braking features. People sweated bullets over the possibility of loosing the traction battery, but things like this master cylinder really kill the savings one gets.

[@christophervanzetta]

And you’re the sucker who thought you’d be saving money on gas 🤣

[@fidelfez2202]

3000???? No never

[@treborg777]

@@fidelfez2202 The master cylinder itself was $2400, the rest was labor.

[@DM-hw4cr]

The factory master cylinder is $600 I don't know where you got that quote.

[@fallprecauxionsmusic]

great vid!! I am no mechanic, but this vid was super helpful to me. I own a 2013 prius, & I'm in the midst of deciding what to do about this issue. again, this vid helped clarify so much. thanks bunches, sir!!

[@invader777]

Really helped me have being sore pins and neddles clutching accelerating trucks for years...i use the ball heel of one foot to to other...thaks so much😊

[@norcal715]

With the cowl / wipers removed it would have great time to replace the spark plugs too. The coils do not have enough clearance to be removed with the cowl in place.

[@DMR730]

You can use a wobbly and or elbow to remove that one spark and coil without having to remove cowl

[@LanceD188]

It sucks but, I got it down to a science now, it only takes me a few min to remove the cowl and wiper assembly (I know, the whole spark plug/coil pack replacement should take only a few few minutes but, it is what it is...

[@mylesgray3470]

I have my new plugs and now just debating, do I replace them now or wait till I get new struts and do them both at once. All the same crap has to come off.

[@OzFrog48Z]

If the customer runs a Carfax on the vehicle it would tell him if the part was replaced with an updated unit under a recall. He could also contact a Toyota dealer and have them run the vin number and see if the recall was done. At least he would have peace of mind that the part was not the original one with the problem before he had you install it.

[@OzFrog48Z]

I was referring to the vin number on the vehicle that supplied the part from the junkyard.

[@MrYAMAHA32177]

What difference would it make on an 11 year old Prius with (230K), nearly a quarter million miles? This special breed of customer that purchases these wouldn't settle or trust anything used so the Car Fax gimmick is basically useless and the owners best bet is to continue driving it until the inverter and or battery fails, which may happen sooner than later.

[@OzFrog48Z]

@@MrYAMAHA32177 Ivan was concerned that the vin for the donor vehicle of the replacement unit fell into the recall, so the part might have the same problem as the original. The recall was for a bad accumulator, which is the problem the customer was having. I hate Carfax too, but if he ran the vin of the donor vehicle through a Carfax it would at least tell him if the recall was done. A Toyota dealer could tell him the same thing for free. Then he would know if he had the updated part. Trying to stop a Prius with a bad hydraulic unit is almost impossible so you have to either fix it or get rid of the car. I'm not a big Prius fan, but I do work on them. I have to admit they last a long time. On a car this old I would take a chance on a used part versus the cost of a new one.

[@GuvanchGasanovich]

Wow, big thanks for holding a camera the whole time and sharing. Great job!

[@TeguhKobelco]

very good car repair, thank you for the info, especially the problem of braking is very important to maintain safety, enthusiasm and success always..

[@pmtips4482]

Good video! Hidden costs are unreal in these cars. I worked with a guy who bought a used Prius, bragged for 3 years on the fuel economy. Not long out of warranty, the battery pack went bad and the dealer told him he needed a new battery....for $8,000. He said that's it for him, he proceeded to trade for a good used Camry. I used to tell him, "pay at the pump or pay later"

[@psdaengr911]

If I saw a mass like that I wouldn't buy a Camry. It's another product of the same copmany's engineers. .

[@fieldsofomagh]

$8000 ? Price breakdown please.

[@christophervanzetta]

@@psdaengr911 Nah. Camrys and Corolla’s are good. Have a 07 camry and a 16 Corolla.

[@baxrok2.]

Always wanted to see the automated procedure done. Thanks Ivan!

[@edriquez57]

Good point! Many people don’t take into consideration the unspoken cost upfront or in repairs. This just happened to my neighbors car . Good by all your savings.

[@Paul1958R]

Ivan, Great video and fix - thank you! You should do a video on taking the unit apart and replacing the seal. Paul (in MA)

[@THEDRAGONBOOSTER8]

Well done Ivan.About now would be a good time to think about selling it .They are great when new even up to about 250,000ks. As you said and from what I have seen when replacing parts it can get costly.All the best .Bradley.

[@DonziGT230]

Mine has about 100k more than that and has been very inexpensive to keep running.

[@jthampshire]

I know this is a year old video but I'm wondering if you ran the VIN of the donor car to see if the recall was done before the car was scrapped. You may have installed a part that was recall compliant. Good stuff here.

[@mikeaho4143]

Now that is a complcated brake system. I'm not sure if I want to work on many of those. Thanks fior sharing !

[@randymarion2466]

I just happen to have the 2010 Lexus version of this Prius ... Under the hood, they look identical. Reading the owners manual, they seem to want brake fluid changes a lot more frequently than any other vehicle I have ever owned. Now I am wondering if the complexity of this system is what requires more frequent fluid changes ... Just cheaper to keep your internal seals healthy ... Long and short of it is, unless I know you are planning on driving by my house and I can schedule a visit, this will be a dealer job for me! At least I now have a good idea what it is they really have to do. Thanks, and keep up the good work!

[@kevin9c1]

This seems similar in concept to Mercedes Sensotronic Brakes that my 04 E55 has. They ran it from 03-06 in all E-classes and I think earlier in the S-class. Many issues over the years but after all the dust settled, there is currently a 25 year, unlimited mileage warranty on the system for ALL cars. That didn't come without a fight I'm sure but that's pretty impressive. Also, the SBC pump is integrated into the ABS block and it is super easy to access. Right on top on the passenger side front-ish of the engine bay.

[@vw5056]

Daimler stands behind their products very well and have excellent parts support for older models. I laugh when Toyota/Lexus online fanbase say Toyotas are generally better cars. Lmao

[@johnaclark1]

Mercedes replaced a lot of those SBS brake units under extended warranty. I had a customer with one and we were looking at replacing it to the tune of $2k when they came out with the extended warranty.

[@Cheepchipsable]

@@vw5056 How many recalls have Mercedes had due to car busting into flames...?

[@alb12345672]

Lexus LS460 has the same system as the prius. They say to avoid the car. BTW this system is not new - The early 1990s Tbirds had a very similar setup :lol:. There was a nitrogen pressure tank and integrated ABS on master cyl.

[@vw5056]

@@Cheepchipsable none that i know about.

[@timharwell2735]

Toyota 4Runners, Land Cruisers, and some Tacomas have a similar electronic brake setup. They don’t tend to fail like the hybrid ones though. They do all have a failsafe where in the event of a total failure, the rest position of the valves will allow the brake pedal to actuate the front brakes.

[@Cheepchipsable]

Was wondering if this was hybrid specific or just electric brake systems in general. Still, I just watched a video where an old transit van needed a new ABS - about $1000 for the part alone and it's on perpetual back order. I don't think Ivan's point about cost is valid.

[@Dirtyharry70585]

ABS failure Never pass inspections in certain states.

[@aspecreviews]

Those vehicles have electronic brakes because they are tall and rollover-prone. They have a system called vehicle-dynamics integrated management (or VDIM for short) to detect a skid or possible rollover before it becomes an issue and make millisecond-by-millisecond brake, throttle, and steering assist adjustments to stay in control. A traditional braking system just couldn't respond rapidly enough, and the pedal would feel inconsistent.

[@ngkm2]

Fantastic video especially showing how to bleeding the brake system. May I ask what scanner did you used? Thank you

[@lrrromicronpersei8294]

6 hour repair job 4 hours of replacing parts and 2 hours of bleeding the brakes lol Nice job as always

[@jameysummers1577]

I have 2 Priuses. One 2002 and one 2012. The 2002 Prius has 400,000 and I havent put a penny into it other than a $200 wheel bearing. The 2012 is going strong at 289,000. I bought the 2002 brand new and I just bought thye 2012 for my wife.

[@darioandrijasevic2804]

Those cars are indestructible

[@Dogpool]

Impressive that your willing to get into this. I watched this video in response to someone with a similar issue and I have decided I don’t need to be the guy doing this. If I was sure I would be getting a lot of them it would totally be worth getting the right equipment and spending time to learn the system, but there is just so much easier work around here to do it’s not needed. Also, I have found the wiper and cover under it not a big deal. To do the struts that has to come out, and if you just go right at it without trying to find a way not to do it it’s out in maybe 10 min or less. Nothing to complain about really.

[@LegendLength]

Was it really that hard in the end? Sure there was some automatic stuff by the engine which is nerve racking but it seemed fairly straightforward.

[@williamgagnonroadboxservice]

Just did a Lexus GX470 same problem… Bleeding by yourself sucks. A lot Also used EBay bought parts with recall numbers matching!!! It’s got the out of site warranty for me.. Have a great Holiday season. God Bless you and the Mrs..

[@peetre]

Excellent job! Excellent video and sound!

[@ekaftan]

Before the Citroen Xantia (around 1990) all Citroen cars with hidro pneumatic suspension had rock solid brake pedals. Brake pedal had no travel, braking action was controlled by how hard you pressed the pedal, not how much it moved. Toyota had a similar problem in the Prius, as the brake pedal travel is not directly connected to how much the brakes are applied, due to regenerative braking stands in the way. Toyota's solution is the contraption you are replacing in this video... Citroen's solution was to add a spring between the pedal and the brake controller... Springs convert travel into pressure. Just what was needed.

[@karlkoenigstein4138]

I learned with our Sienna that taking the 5-10 min to remove the wiper tray was almost always a good investment to save time later in the repair process! I got to where I was really quick at it....

[@joeclarke9782]

Thanks Ivan. You prompted me to buy a workshop manual for my Prius C off Ebay.

[@radioace318la]

man, I once watched and A&P replace an APU air starter live and in person on a Boeing 757 as I was his security escort on the ramp. I even got to help. It wasn't complicated as that process. Cheers from Louisiana.

[@kroatoaneight-four]

Got in first. Curious because I have a ES300h and this problem might show up in mine.

[@mikefoehr235]

My friends wife got this identical car 2 years ago from our local Toyota dealer. It was in pristine condition. She got it for about $10 000 CAD. Well, earlier this year it was diagnosed that it needed a new INVERTER. Cost, is $5 000 CAD. It may even be 10 000 but either way it is almost the cost or half the cost of the whole car. I would rather just burn a bit more gas and drive a non hybrid.

[@vw5056]

Then a month later the battery goes, which costs $8k to replace. Gotta be very wealthy to drive a fuel-saving Prius.

[@Cheepchipsable]

@@vw5056 VWs are just so cheap to repair...

[@mattyb7736]

@@Cheepchipsable about the same cost as a Break My Wallet hehe

[@larryaugsburger8452]

Buying used is buying someone else’s problems

[@rocketsmall4547]

@@vw5056 battery is 1k ish. 2k to replace and he said he would drive on gas only.

[@edriquez57]

It’s nice to see a mechanic worth his salary. I gave up and just started going everything I could, God bless .

[@Grayhook1]

I jump started one of those in a parking lot with my gas guzzling beast. Still makes me chuckle😄. Thanks for the video.

[@mejiac6313]

Removing the wipers is key for this job

[@samhsu1271]

So actually 2010 had a massive recall for the break actuator and abs system. They actually would have done this job for free at the dealership up untill like a year and a half ago. I had it done for my 2010 with like 170k miles back in 2019. It was a 3000$ Job and it was free. Other 3rd gen prius don't seem to have this issue from what I know.

[@alohajason]

how many parts did they replace? the master cylinder and the accumulator? i have a 2010 and dealership said i am too late for the recall

[@samhsu1271]

@@alohajason if you got an address I can send you one from a prius I just bought from a wreck. They replaced the break controll module and master cylinder and possibly break booster

[@samhsu1271]

And some kind of actuator

[@reformedchinesecommunist]

@@samhsu1271 still got it?

[@samhsu1271]

@@reformedchinesecommunist yup its in my doner car in my garage, all the parts are in tact I just took the engine out for my other prius.

[@misterhandy5121]

IVAN , you looked like you wanted to Run Away from this one LOL !!! Great Job!!!!!!!

[@sitdox]

Great video Today repaired 2015 Auris Hybrid with the same brake system car has over 200K miles on the clock (taxi) In my case it was pump motor brushes worn and jammed with dust so what I have done cleaned put everything back together bled the system and customer probably going to be ok for another year or so that gives us enough time to source set of new brushes Was browsing about such issues on KZbin after my repair and come across your video Again thank you and greetings from 🇬🇧

[@andybonneau9209]

Bleeding brakes alone is a huge pain.

[@NoWr2Run]

I remember when I could just open up the brake bleeders & let them gravity bleed, NOT SO MUCH ANY MORE. My 68 does it NO PROBLEM THOUGH.

[@anzicek]

Love your videos and appreciate the work you put into them. In this case I disagree that this has anything to do with the vehicle being a hybrid, as others have stated, there are multiple vehicles in the Toyota lineup that used this same system and are not hybrids. Additionally that vehicle has saved the owner(s) north of $10k in fuel over the life, so if it needed something like a $2k battery pack, then the argument about hybrid repair costs would make sense, but also a fair comparison to savings should be made.

[@nick21614]

Not even close to 10k in savings. A prius at 50 mpg at 230,000 over a similar not hybrid at 34 mpg is saving 2164 gallons of gas. So that is about $4,500 depending on where you live. When you factor in the higher cost to register a hybrid and the inflated initial purchase cost, you aren't saving any money at all. For example a base Prius in 2009 cost 22k when a base Corolla cost 15k. A $7,000 premium.

[@evanspiteri3576]

@@nick21614 gas is $5.00 a gallon for 87 where I live, It definitely saves you money over the long run

[@nick21614]

@@evanspiteri3576 If the average cost of gas over the last 10 years to have saved that money then you don't live in the USA.

[@evanspiteri3576]

@@nick21614 You're right, I don't, I live in California

[@erik_dk842]

Driving a hybrid places where you can use the regenerative braking is great. The hybrid gearbox is bulletprof and basically works the same way as a differential.

[@geoffwalker7530]

Very good video! Can you say what was the scan tool you used? Does it do everything Techstream would?

[@Augownage]

Good video. This looks like something I can probably do myself once 'acquiring' Techstream and the appropriate OBD-II dongle.

[@sabrekat7904]

Interesting video . . . just highlights the kind of bill you may have to face, on an early vehicle, if the dealer does the work.

[@christophervanzetta]

It would of been free if the owner kept up on recalls which they failed to do

[@esandber4296]

That’s incorrect. It was technically a customer relations bulletin. Toyota would only fix it if your Prius broke prior to ten years old and prior to 150k miles. Technically, it was never recalled for this issue

[@andrewcimochowski]

I have done a lot of those pumps working at Toyota ..they had extended warranty on most years 10 year/120 I think…

[@reformedchinesecommunist]

I have a 2015 prius v that has this issue. What is a fair repair price you think?

[@TheFrenchPug]

Ivan, what was the longest part of this repair? Installing the pump and module or doing the scan tool process (or what equates to a 6 hour job the most?)

[@DustmanDiagnostics2]

Good morning Ivan. Strangely enough my 2001 Mitsbishi Montero XLS has the same HBB set up as this Prius, except for the fuel mileage perks (17mpg). Same over priced components $1500USD for a new booster assembly, and the same tedious bleeding procedure. What was wrong with the good ole' vacuum brake booster? On a hybrid I can see the point, due to the lack of engine vacuum, but on a combustion engine??? Found out that this system was also installed on various late 90's/early 2000 model Toyotas and Lexus that will interchange with the Mitsubishi. Near impossible to find used units in salvage yards, at least here in California. Hoping to not have to replace this unit anytime soon.

[@mw3261]

Fastest wiper assembly install I’ve ever seen 😂

[@chekelley6861]

I use a 36 inch carpenters clamp from HarborFreight as a pedal depressor. Works better than the actual tool!

[@raymondjones7489]

Awesome video!!👍👍😎..this has been a learning experience for sure!!😁

[@masterguide05]

Thanks for this video, I have a 2012 Prius with the same problem. Because of where I am located and my steering wheel is on the right side of the car. I can't use US ebay parts, Toyota dealership don't stock the parts and would have to do a custom order and the qouted me 4k USD for the actuator alone. That is about half of my car's current value. The next option is to order a used part from Japan. Also now I know that I should check to make sure the Vin number from the donor car is not on the recall list. Thanks again for this Video 👍

[@logicalguy488]

That used part from the recalled vin may have been changed. So it may be the new improved one. Is there a way to check the part # with the dealer ?

[@sciatl2505]

He could run the vin on safer car . Gov

[@deerhunter8533]

That’s not the only thing. Wait till is time to replace the batteries. The cost is astronomical

[@damiangrouse4564]

Was that a SAE or Metric snow brush? Merry Christmas!

[@michaeljohnson1006]

I had ASB going off on my Audi after i fitted a rear wheel bearing. Turned out to be a loose magnetic ring slipping on the bearing id already bought a new abs sensor. Was not till i plugged in diag that i could see the speed kept changing at about 10 mph.

[@blueskiesmobileauto4253]

Great informative repair Ivan! I actually turned down one of these jobs because I was unsure my Thinktool Pros would have the bleed procedure. Great to know and that scanner is a beast!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Make sure to bring a gallon of brake fluid as well lmao

[@automotivated5934]

I want that Thinktool!! But I have my Launch X431 Pad V. They seem very similar except for the Network Tree. But That network tree.... I WANT IT! Lol

[@automotivated5934]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics hey Ivan! Is there any other differences between the launch and thinktool? I have the pad V not the diagun like you but do you see any difference with your scanners?

[@pantherplatform]

Just snowed 15" since dusk. Gotta replace a faulty encoder motor on a 2002 Tahoe AGAIN! Already replaced the transfer case, two encoder motors, two transfer case modules and checked every ground, verified that everything is OK but the encoder motors keep frying. A transmission guy I know up here said the Dorman and card one motors are junk so I gotta oem one for a small fortune. Good luck on your nightmare!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Dorman 😂

[@Cheepchipsable]

Where have you been living to have not heard about Dorman's reputation?

[@pantherplatform]

Replacement card one motor tested bad upon removal. Somehow when they fry, the module fries but doesn't blow the atc fuse. Long story short, replaced the encoder motor with a bone yard oe one, disconnected the module, shifted transfer case into 2wd using jumpers at the connectors then grounded the front axis actuator so its got four wheel drive when the 4wd fuse in the dash is installed and 2wd when it is removed. F that module. Gonna install a custom switch plate instead.

[@derfstang480]

It’s not just hybrids. My sons 2013 2.0L Ecoboost Fusion had an issue where only one caliper was working and would manually bleed. They would all bleed if you used ForScan to run the ABS module bleed procedure but otherwise, nope. Took it to the dealer, bad ABS module (hydraulic unit) and since it was revised, the old ABS control unit wouldn’t recognize it. Long story short, new parts were $1,500 for both + labor $680. I could’ve gotten used parts or reman parts but they were all old versions so it would’ve eventually had the same issue. Older gen fusions 2012 and below had a recall on these parts but 2013 was a different gen so, out of pocket for us.

[@djosbun]

This is one of your better videos, Ivan (don't take it as a knock on any previous videos). Very different diag, many ridiculous (!) steps but very well done!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Appreciate the feedback, Dave! What exactly did you find better about this one? Always striving to improve! :)

[@djosbun]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I'd have to say that because it was not your typical braking system, it was just exciting to see. It's rare to see hybrid repair videos, so that's a huge plus, Ivan. Personally, I love it when a person points out the frustrating points on a repair (like you did with the wiper cowl removal).

[@justsumguy2u]

That turned out great. Having said that, I don't think I'd do it. With some customers, if you install parts they supply that are defective and the car doesn't work, they won't pay you for your labor

[@turboimport95]

Exactly, I know a guy that installed a engine THAT the customer supplied from junkyard, it was no good and she wanted him to swap another free of charge...He offered to supply the engine him self from the junk yard with a small markup that covered the labor in case of a bad engine, but she wanted to get it herself and save the 200$ markup. It costed her additional 600$ + for swapping the engine again.

[@psdaengr911]

Mechanics liens exist partly because because no mechanic can know for sure that any part built by other will work correctly.

[@christophervanzetta]

Then you put a lien on their car and it’s yours to sell :)

[@justsumguy2u]

@@psdaengr911 Right, but we don't know if Ivan had him sign anything

[@phprofYT]

Remember when you had to pump the brakes during the winter?

[@kolyakozlov]

I've done this job without any scanner. After I replace the parts and Bleed the system car didn't want to start. Then I reflash ECM with the paper clip for 30 minutes and it's done. Works perfect with no issues.

[@zhuo2000]

good job thanks for sharing

[@JamesSmith-jq2jc]

I don't know how recalls work exactly, but it would of been worth a try to bring those parts into a dealership and have them exchanged under that recall, THEN sell them online.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I'm pretty sure the dealer would only offer the warranty if the parts are installed on the car and they do the work lol

[@Cheepchipsable]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Well that's fair enough. I see a few mechanics who only do repairs on their terms simply because someone only wants half the seals replaced or orders a reconditioned transmission and messes up the installation, then comes back to complain. Sure the customer might be at fault, but there is still the handling, stress/bad rep that comes out of dealing with those complaints. Everyone is happy to accept the liability for the cheap repair until it fails soon afterwards because their $2 fuel pump off Ebay didn't work, (EricO had this situation).

[@christophervanzetta]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics That is true. The dealership would file a warranty claim and if Toyota approves it, free replacement. Worth the try but too late now.

[@kastooMcFry]

Thanks for the education, Ivan! Never even looked under the hood of one of those things. That system seems overly complex. Wonder why they went that way..

[@waltersapplianceinc2543]

Great Video,Thank You Toyota suggests changing both the Brake Booster and the Brake Cylinder assembly ? Did this repair last with only the Top part being replaced? Do you know if the Xtool D7 Scanner will complete the bleeding process for proper operation ? Toyota just quoted me $3500.00 for the repair 2013 Prius 3. Thinking about doing it myself?

[@mmichaeldonavon]

Jesus, Ivan. You have SUCH patience. I mean, you always hang in there and do the impossible. I watched your entire procedure - WHO, in their right mind, would actually buy one of these monsters? Yes, 240,000 miles, but the end result is BIG DOLLARS to fix and keep running. I do hope your complete diag and LABOR caused the customer to bring a HUGE bag of money to your shop. You earned EVERY penny, my friend. Wow. What a repair. Wow. I would figure out a way to tell this customer that you are out of the Hybrid business - too costly to the customer for parts and labor - tell them to trade it. :-) Thanks.

[@kinglangren]

We’ll in the end he did save the customer a lot of money. It is a roll of the dice for the customer but he did make it clear that there was risks.

[@deerhunter8533]

Just keep driving it, there is nothing wrong with it. Unless they have $60,000 to buy a new one

[@Cheepchipsable]

What's with these comments about the time it take...It's his job, he gets paid for it.

[@mmichaeldonavon]

@@Cheepchipsable Let's see you step up to the plate and do what he did - regardless of the time, it takes. Yes, he gets paid, and it should be a BIG GODDAMN CHECK.

[@nicholaskeur]

Its not like there are ICE powered cars with the same over complicated repairs required...

[@bbogdanmircea]

A follow-up on the whiteboard with how and why the system is so complicated would be nice! Maybe a new series Hybrid Trash? :D

[@RobertHancock1]

Presumably because if the engine isn't always running they can't use a regular vacuum brake booster. Though I think some hybrids and even full EVs just use a vacuum pump with a regular booster..

[@aspecreviews]

The Prius has been brake-by-wire since it launched in 1997. That's the only way to coordinate regenerative and friction braking.

[@bbogdanmircea]

@@aspecreviews Can you back up your information? From what I know brake by wire is not allowed in cars, you need to have a mechanical backup. Same for steer by wire. Only gas by wire is allowed, and that with a lot of safety in the software ... see famous cases when car went crazy ...

[@aspecreviews]

@@bbogdanmircea there is a mechanical (hydraulic) backup, but you have to push on the pedal very hard. Same as a conventional unassisted brake system if the DBW modulator fails.

[@alanhester9984]

A buddy of mine bought a Chevy Aveio which I thought he was crazy for, but now he has 253,000 miles on it with changing 2 timing belts only. Still the original brakes, shocks and CV joints and still gets 30 mpg. Now that is a real economy car!

[@darioandrijasevic2804]

And also a deathtrap

[@oby-1607]

$2,000 - 3,000 brake repair made possible by the snow brush for the windshield. Excellent diagnosis and repair as usual.

[@reformedchinesecommunist]

Can you elaborate please

[@SuperDd40]

Dealership: we've found the problem with your car, it's a non serviceable module . Customer: witch module? Dealership: It's the one module located between the front and the back bumper .

[@mplante7352]

The owner should give his head a shake for installing a recalled part from the junkyard into his car that could potentially be faulty. Brakes no less. I seriously hope Ivan you made him sign a disclosure for the work being done. Great job otherwise.

[@johnaclark1]

There's also a good possibility he got a part that had already been replaced under recall and he got the improved part. You could simply run that VIN and look for open recalls.

[@TreyCook21]

@@johnaclark1 Good point

[@mplante7352]

@@johnaclark1 That's true but it's a gamble with a used part either way. Also most dealers will take back faulty parts under warrantee and either have them shipped back to the manufacturer to be destroyed. Junkyards around here will not sell calipers, rotors, brake valves or lines, or anything related to ABS due to liability. Tires even are popped when the vehicle gets to the scrapyard too much liability.

[@psdaengr911]

@@mplante7352 And yet you can find rebuilt master cylinders and calipers.

[@johnaclark1]

@@mplante7352 That's just the risk of used parts. No way around that. I've been in the used part business before and a good yard will stand behind their parts, though often it's just a refund as they may or may not have another one. But, yes, labor is up to the customer.

[@user-qe7ci5ee7p]

To hold a brake or clutch pedal down when working along buy a long enough clamp from Harbor Freight. You can reverse the 2 clamp end and use it to spread instead of clamping. Place between the pedal and steering and press the clamping handle trigger unitil the pedal is depressed.

[@akdenyer]

Hi Ivan, I have to say well done. There is no way I will ever own one. However, like you if I get brought one I guess I will have to fix it. Currently working on a very sick 1996 F250 7.3 Diesel.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Sounds like a fun project!

[@blueribb99]

The question is - why didn't the recall include this car ? Also, would you feel safe with installing used (possibly failing) brake parts ? Are new parts upgraded to eliminate this problem ?

[@blueribb99]

I know the VIN wasn't included but why not ? This is a safety issue similar to the airbag fiasco. I wouldn't want a loved one driving a car with a failing brake system.

[@2nickles647]

I guess if your vin# is not included in the recall. You can always call Toyota and raise your concerns.

[@misterhandy5121]

@@blueribb99 manufacturers want to save as much money as possible, so the do a "recall" on the least made product , the rest they throw the cost to the owner! there should be a law against this!

[@kkovler1]

how you get around the liability aspect of the repair? if a major accident , they will come after you! Good shops would not touch it, unless it's a factory repair with new parts.

[@damiangrouse4564]

This video should help with that. All factory procedures followed and customer informed consent explanation. Would have been nice to get owner on camera but I’m hopeful paperwork reflects that.

[@kkovler1]

@@damiangrouse4564 hopefully he has the business titled under some legal protection like LLC.

[@sumduma55]

@@kkovler1 an LLC or Corp or whatever will not protect you from your own acts. They are designed to protect you from your employee's acts (and certain business financial aspects. You or your employee can be personally liable for your own acts and the company can be liable vicariously. Often nobody goes after the employees because they don't have any money to collect. That changes or can change when the employee is the owner. Often though, they will only go after the amounts the insurance will pay because they don't have to waste time and money tracking down assets and collecting.

[@yitznewton]

I had a second-gen Prius from about 145k to 185k miles. I had to rebuild the main battery, about $1200 for a refurbished kit plus my own labor. It was a great car but that is a hefty wear item. Hard to get new from a dealer apparently, they want to install it themselves, and they cost upwards of $3000

[@diablorojo914]

Great video. Keep this channel like it is. You show what it’s like for someone doing things on their own. I can’t stand when channels grow and rent shops and big cameras etc. All of the romance is gone then :)