Prizm Boxes MISSING AUTOS - It Happened to Us at CardsHQ! 😡

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[@SportsCardInvestor]

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[@geekhan559]

we as collectors have been seeing that for years and your just not figureing that out

[@palmettocards2099]

Never seen Geoff this mad but he is absolutely right, Panini treats their customers like straight garbage. Only way to teach them a lesson is stop buying $900 boxes that have $20 worth of cards.

[@mangobango6970]

Yeah but people blow alot of smoke but never follow through. That's the only way to fix it, but people are not going to stop buying. So it's a moot point for all these people to even get upset about it since they won't do anything different

[@brendenconner9686griffin]

@brendenconner9686 griffin legends wolf dragon look for black wargreymon card 8:29

[@deezihogan8675]

I'll say it again, Panini is not forcing anyone to go buy cards, greed forces people to buy cards. Y'all will be saying the same about fanatics in a couple of years.

[@suzie9874]

@@deezihogan8675 This is what happens when the leagues sell the rights to one company to make cards. Video games is the same. People complain all the time about EA Sports and Madden. When there is no competition. The quality goes way down. Nascar games took the biggest hit. If Topps made basketball cards as well. Then the card shops could all ban together. Not buy any Pannini products to sell. That would force them to do something different.

[@JQM78]

Do you fhink it’s time that Fanatics looks into a new printing facility? This place seems to be messing up with its process, AND, xards are going missing & /1’s duplication!!

[@ryanra44]

I question anyone’s sanity that pays $700+ for any panini hobby box at this point

[@bobbycooper453]

Its only breakers that are just selling spots or rich people that could care less about money. If they would all stop we could actually get some good product again.

[@stevem9203]

You would think the 10% roi would make people stop buying $1,000 boxes of cards. If that doesn’t stop you getting screwed on two autos won’t stop you either.

[@henrys3629]

Aren't the cards printed in China? Maybe that's where the autos are.

[@ryanra44]

@@henrys3629 no

[@CarsonClaws]

Panini is such a joke anyways. I never understood why someone would pay thousands of dollars to open mystery boxes to get $25 worth of cards

[@annetteavery4930]

Panini is genius because everyone still rips.

[@Dog8myhomework]

We need a class action lawsuit.

[@RetailRipper]

and people will still spend $900+ on them anyway.

[@jacobfain6504]

Because the thrill of hitting the lotto is hard to resist for some people!

[@ThatwasaSTRIKE]

Breakers are buying at that price, hard to believe the average collector would spend that much on a box knowing they can buy singles

[@JKKollectables]

And this is why I stopped opening boxes, breaking, and anything that associated with risk. It wouldn't be so bad if they at least acknowledge the issue, but they simply don't. That tells me they don't care about the collector. Why would I even think of supporting a company that has those kind of principles.

[@DOPECARDS]

Panini is laughing 😂😂😂😂

[@user-qp2uw2im5n]

Am I the only person that believes a BGS 9.5 is better than a PSA 10 75% of the time? I have seen these PSA 10’s that hold 2x premiums that have ridiculously horrible centering. In the earlier days when I stopped collecting in ‘03 a BGS 9.5 sold for more than PSA 10’s and rightfully so imo. Can someone make it make sense to me?

[@cardboardcheddah3715]

You’re right in my book as to the legitimacy of the grade in BGS holder but the market is what drives the value not the reality of condition inside any case. If you’re not in this for the money and want a true example of the grade on the label, I’d recommend BGS over everybody,imo.

[@davidhartung1335]

No matter what happens to the manufacturers I just love doing it all from ripping all sport and non sport card of all years and I buy singles and pound the pavement at garage sales and buy collections of all years and find passion in all of it

[@ryancarmody2168]

People need to stop buying it. They need to get bud lighted

[@Wiscollectibles]

Honest question- which is worse, not addressing the major issue or having to address a major issue with the majority of your releases? It appears that all either of these companies care about is milking their client base for every penny they possibly can.

[@SportsCardInvestor]

Both are definitely bad.

[@wiggiag]

What about the no purchase necessary NPN stuff? I’ve sent them off for over a year now and never gotten a card

[@kingkooty4966]

I personally stopped buying panini and started collecting topps baseball more

[@pat30185]

I stopped buying boxes recently. The ROI is terrible. I'd rather put that money towards singles. I'll know what I'm getting and it's worth what I'm paying.

[@chasejackson7248]

The majority of people are looking for expensive 1 or 1s, which they aren't going to buy as a single, they are looking for a big pay day.

[@pat30185]

@@chasejackson7248 I get that, but how much is spent looking for them vs what they're worth when they do find one? Let's say someone spends $10k looking for a $2k card, that is not a good ROI. And they'd be lucky if it's worth that. I'd rather buy a $2k card that is almost guaranteed to increase in value over time. Say Mahomes for instance.

[@JQM78]

Panini Relic/Mem cards are absolutely effed. Prizm being a “from nothing patch” is bad enough, but when it comes to flawless, Immac & NT, where you’re spending $3k-$10k on a box, and getting the same patches, thats even more attrocious!!! But they keep doing it because we buy it regardless. Smh

[@caadbrad]

Everyone keeps saying oh we'll still buy their products anyways...really? Come on... It's really simple - STOP BUYING IT. STOP BUYING INTO BREAKS WITH IT.

[@brianharris3455]

I still remember the days when you could buy most boxes of cards for around $100 and get some cards you really wanted. I remember buying a case of 2001 SP Authentic Golf with the chance to get the Tiger Woods auto Rc for around $400. Today you can't even buy a box of that for $400. Panini for sure has to change their ways. I would hate opening a box for that much and getting no auto's. That happened to my friend years ago. He opened a greats of the game football box with no auto's. So he mailed to the company and got back a fresh box and a Walter Payton Auto! Good times 🙂

[@yodermorgan]

Wow. I just watched RunGoodLife open a box missing both autos. Could be coincidence but what are the odds sounds like a lot more than a few boxes slipped thru. Ohhh Panini...

[@eGolfCards]

Talking about Golf Cards... NICE!!

[@steveba50]

Thanks for raising this issue. I won't be purchasing any Panini products from now on. Sounds like a scam company with short term business model thinking.

[@tylerladd4043]

TBH I'm a golf fan and card collector, I had no idea new products came out last year until you just said it lol so maybe not marketed very well? Who knows but I'll be looking at them now lol

[@joeygarrison92]

I find this version of Geoff extremely refreshing. He has the platform to really drive Panini to be better - I hope this lands somewhere.

[@brettc660]

It states on average - are there other boxes that have more autos then expected?

[@ryanra44]

Surprised this channel hasn’t put out a video yet about SGC being bought by Collectors group

[@Mr2pac2000]

What? When did this happen ?

[@ryanra44]

@@Mr2pac2000 don’t be that dude.

[@Mr2pac2000]

@@ryanra44 I have no idea

[@REBroker1966]

In 2003 I was doing a mall show. It was so slow that I could not sell any 2003 Topps Chrome basketball. I had a sealed case and was offering boxes or packs. No one even asked... I took the case home sealed. I messed up and opened up the whole case when I got home. Huge mistake. What would that sealed case be worth now?

[@michaelhobbs3924]

I think its typical bad form by Panini, but on the same breath, I don't really know its the auto's that is the chase for Prizm... might just be me. On the topic of grading, I do specifically seek out PSA 10 over any alternative when its available, my personal preference but am happy to pay a premium for it... there are those of us out there!

[@mangobango6970]

Why do people think Panini gives a crap about anyone? I find it funny everyone complains but everyone still buys this crap.

[@mangobango6970]

I have 10 doncic redemptions they still owe me, but at this point only a lawsuit will get me something probably. I've written panini and my redemptions off at this point, but I won't EVER spend another dime with them

[@samhill93]

8:10 I am of the belief that Panini knowingly released this product with a shortage of autos. I don’t think it could ever be proved, however. Furthermore, they could never be held liable for costs because of the “on average” bit they put in there. Corporate greed and blatant disregard for the consumer, just like 99% of corporations in the world.

[@samhill93]

14:54 In Geoff’s defense, he has the rest of the Bron 🌈 in 10, so I totally get that. There’s an OCD component there that most collectors can relate to. But I also agree with the thought of, “my rare card’s grade doesn’t matter, I just want it encapsulated and preserved.”

[@cardboardcheddah3715]

I’d crack the BGS 9 and send to PSA to see if it got a 10 and even if it came back a 9 would likely be more valuable to collectors as well.

[@burnt_nz_bbq]

If any card maker is using a 3rd party to print a card there should be a company rep onsite to do QC. I’ve worked in the printing business and quality control is a priority! Wrong color or a miss print is costly. Quality control is missing in the companies and is counter productive. There are systems in place to find mistakes and this makes me believe they have to much trust in the printing company. I understand mistakes happen but you mitigate that through a good quality control process.

[@mattmcneil3718]

Continuing to buy their product is insane. This is criminal in nature.

[@danday9697]

Does panini make it right like topps does? I had no auto in a topps box, and in a month, they sent me an auto

[@davidhartung1335]

I found the rarest card in the most pristine condition from 1946 and it has Joe DiMaggio on it and it is a tops card that was made before topps bought the rights from tops in 1946

[@jleezy259]

Yet backyard breaks hits every major card in a set . Makes me sick

[@quibblegaze]

0:00: 😡 Prism basketball hobby boxes missing autographs causing controversy and disappointment. 4:00: 😡 Lack of communication and accountability from Panini regarding missing autos in Prism boxes. 7:32: 😡 Frustration over missing autographs in high-priced hobby boxes, lack of consistency in product quality. 11:35: 🔑 Comparison of card grades and rarity in determining card value in the market. 15:10: 🃏 Importance of personal preference in card collecting, regardless of rarity or grading. 18:45: 🔍 Speculation on missing rare cards, potential stockpiling of sealed products, and verification of sealed cases. 22:21: 💔 Disappointment in sports card products due to poor execution affecting interest levels, particularly in golf. Timestamps by Tammy AI

[@Dog8myhomework]

What Geoff and Tpot forgot to mention about the PSA 10 premium debate is that if you’re wealthy or have a lot of money, you want the PSA 10 anyway even if it’s a ridiculous price. The same way a rich person wants a Lamborghini and the average person saying a Lexus or Honda or even Tesla has better value.

[@t-pott4504]

I mentioned that in my full video.

[@Dog8myhomework]

@@t-pott4504 I was talking about in this video. Geoff disagreed with you because he’s got enough money to acquire big PSA 10s unlike the rest of us.

[@coopstain1728]

Where is the best place to sell cards besides Ebay?

[@DarinsCards]

Very entertaining. Thanks.

[@kevinglasgo5250]

The problem with PSA. That everyone is scared to address is the fact they don't have a 9.5 grade. So their 10's shouldn't carry a premium of any type. When most are probably not true 10's

[@SumoMenkoMan]

Ohtani's true rookie 1 of 1 from 2013 BBM 1 Version has yet to be pulled.

[@itshardtochangehandles]

The Topps Chrome Tennis probably would have done better, but the checklist was pretty bad and the auto checklist was even worse, just like T-Pott was saying. Coco was the hit of the product. The other issue is that the autos were few and far between and the hobby boxes often had little to no hits. I know I opened several myself and only got 1 auto. One box only had 1 numbered card. I thought the Lite boxes actually seemed to have better hit rates.

[@AlwayzFresh]

Skip all Prizm boxes, buy singles only.

[@seyscards466]

But is Topps any better though?

[@LilleyDaniel]

I hit a 1/1 Van Ness Gold with a major print line across it, Panini,………. Didn’t change it. Poorly ran company, too many silly mistake that cost the consumer.

[@mattskrabak5496]

Happened to rungoodlife too its like panini just diesnt care anymore. And its so bad they put on average so you cant do anything about it. And i so agree about the issue woth relics too.

[@nola_rustang4049]

It happened to me. I bought two boxes of prizm hobby for 975$ each and 1 box had 1 auto. The other had ZERO AUTOS. I called panini and spoke to customer service. They said "sorry it says two autos on average" is what it is. Total BS. They refused to help me

[@nola_rustang4049]

BTW I have spent over 60k on cards this year mostly panini products

[@NomahLovesYah]

Panini’s CS is really bad - but they have gotten better - I waited on redemptions for years til they finally answered the phone - they did give us a great replacement - but not the cards I was owed - I will never buy Panini again - they just don’t care and have not earned my business

[@Pilts82]

These companies need to stop printing more cards and spend time and effort doing better quality control

[@transamdude95]

Class action

[@lundyman321]

I love boxes but it’s a bummer when you get jack, eBay and whatnot have been my best friend

[@dudester81]

Do a segment on how PSA is buying or merging with SGC next

[@TylerHilyard]

I opened a topps 2024 baseball series 1 hobby box on topps rip night, and it was missing the auto/relic. I felt defeated because i truly respect/Trust Topps. Luckily, the store owner said Topps is very about making their customers whole.

[@Mr.Enfuego]

The problem is Fanatics is not intervening as Topps “Big Brother” because when Topps drops the ball, Fanatics drops the ball. Panini on the other hand is a sinking ship and it’s just a matter of time before the final nail is placed in the Panini coffin. We will bring this up in the Baseball Card Junkies Podcast.

[@davidhartung1335]

Hockey is sooooo underrated they still play the same game along with fighting and the cards look absolutely stunning

[@davescards32]

Doug was spot on - Panini doesn’t care because people keep buying. You own a store now. Are you willing to take a stand and commit to no longer carrying Panini product due to their loathsome behavior?

[@davidhartung1335]

I wish I could share a picture of this card because it’s amazing beautiful of Joe DiMaggio actually fielding a glove and the card has a boarder with baseball’s around him and it looks like he is standing in a baseball in a cartoonish design

[@zachc3246]

I am still surprised people buy hobby boxes. They are not worth it anymore. You can buy the card you want for cheaper. Gave up on hobby boxes 2 years ago especially with no autos of top qbs

[@chasejackson7248]

People are buying prism to get one or two cards which would cost 10,000 or more

[@zachc3246]

@chasejackson7248 the chances of hitting that is like the lottery except you pay more for it. You would have to get 10 hobby boxes in hope you get that card.

[@XxBeamerr]

I hope you let that brother pick a mid tier auto in the store, spending that much and not getting an auto is heartbreaking when you expect it from the hobby box

[@XxBeamerr]

I know you not obligated too but in the retrospect of retaining that customer, it would be a nice gesture to let him pick something out.. cause if I’m him I’m done with the hobby if I spend that much and get nothing

[@feaskoh]

I'm not feeling sorry for a multi millionaire get a backbone

[@NormanPost-yp4ix]

Panini is trying to find a way to blame fanatics for panini missing cards in prizm bball because fanatics has ownership in the printing company that topps and panini both use - and as topps has printing and inclusion issues, they wanted to share the pain with panini. Actual deal, unknown, but certainly food for thought !! Panini will eventually make a public statement.

[@garyoreilly3463]

Not gona lie, this needs made into a Netflix series please

[@Simonlegend35]

In any type of collecting they always say the most important thing is condition, 2nd is rarity! So kinda agree with both of u. It's a little of both.....u want the best condition n rarest! So if there are thousands of 10s on 1 card the premium makes no sense!

[@TheLegendofBrettMorrison]

the Problem is.... is Yall Didnt go to the NASCAR race Sunday in ATLANTA with a 3 wide Finish.... So yall didnt show up for the Race.. so No Autos Showed up... In that Box... So we should Go to the Fall Race in ATLANTA..... LETA GO... time i make my Return been a while but been about 5-6 times to ATL motor speedway... and ive been trying to get a response on somethin id like to send Tpot...

[@six7onevlog85]

I'm lucky I've did'nt pre order it.

[@JohnJFong]

How about BGS 9 and $600 k for BGS 9,5 Lebron gold Refractor? 😉

[@davidhartung1335]

And everybody still buying the hype when realistically leaf is doing the best alongside with hockey

[@HoosierResell]

I cannot wait to start buying Topps baskeball again. Can't happen soon enough...

[@TheBnicholas1606]

I would take 30 blasters over a hobby box at this point. Got 2 blasters today, got a Jordan Walsh auto(yes it's worthless but still there) and a wemby instant impact, some cracked ice rookies... Better return on that $70 than some hobby I've seen

[@EricSmith-oz7fb]

Geoff gets ripped off and now it's a big scene? He knew about this long ago, but only publicizes it after he is directly affected. Get on board with the little man Geoff. It's the hobby we are trying to keep, not the business.

[@davidhartung1335]

That’s why error cards should be at the highest premium

[@bmac85north]

Like tpot waa saying he wonders what's out there hidden maybe n waiting to be found n yea I always wonder that but also, and its a lil depressing to think about, but how bout the cards that got thrown out, burned in a house fire, or simply misplaced or stolen!! Lord would I lose my mind but on a better note I purchased the most pristine gem 1989 Score Barry Sanders Rc Raw that is and it took me so long to be confident enough in the condition to finally buy it plus it was so much lower im price then any others I've seen sold so very happy n will grade soon had to talk about that!!

[@JQM78]

Id be hella pissed too if a celebrity came into my shop, bought a box of cards for $900 (plus tax prob brings it to $1k almost) and got skunked. Its bad enough us blue-collars are getting shafted as well, but cmon. Ridiculous

[@davidhartung1335]

I pulled my first cut autograph 1/1 of Spencer Tracey super stoked

[@soluscristus1]

I wouldn’t say Panini Treble is underrated. They sell for a premium.

[@nvrslippn]

its the first... I've bought about $50 worth of panini product so far this year.... this time last year I was at least 5k deep ... go topps F panini

[@dknb4558]

Topps/Fanatics has been a HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT. How many times have they screwed up in the past year? Way too many for this 'elite' company that was supposed to 'lift up' the card industry. I'm used to the Panini dysfunction. Nothing new there. STOP Buying Panini Boxes--they mark the Big Hits on their cases anyways--you are not pulling them. The clowns at BackDoor Breaks get them. Great show as usual fellas.

[@owsowmuskwanaistus9213]

prices are inflated for the hobby ,how about fixing tht problem?

[@true_rcs]

Geoff your rant is sounding like the hobby veterans. I feel you brother, it’s an injustice and it triggers me at times too. Good job

[@republicofcasuals]

Why does it feel like someone's got their hand in the cookie jar at Panini.... Missing Autos, ok... but who's autos are missing, that's what I want to know!

[@DA-gw1ft]

We need to boycott these companies and stop buying these boxes until they lower there prices.

[@leekeeton214]

I’m be seem about 30-40% without autos and seen probably the same with up to 4 autos. The quality control in this product is just bad.

[@HighVelocityRips]

Things are interesting this year……🤪

[@kaykay1949]

The average auto pulled from this product is worth LITERALLY less than 10 bucks. The bottom line is this is an absolutely atrocious product to spend your money on. If there was ever a set to strictly buy singles from it's 23-24 Prizm Basketball.

[@codyolsen4666]

This happened to me last week!!!!

[@kaykay1949]

Oh boy you missed out on probably less than 20 bucks in cards with no chance at a top rook? Your a fool for buying this at all lmao 🤣😂🤣 Listen to yourself?!??!?

[@spitzer1113]

Panini has become such a joke. They don't care about their customers. We all need to stop buying anything from them until they can get their crap together, but unfortunately people will still buy from them despite getting screwed over time and time again.

[@zbsportscards]

No autos..sheesh. That's crazy panini ...i don't expect anything less at this point.

[@kaykay1949]

Average auto value pulled from 23/24 Prizm Hobby: -$10.00

[@MARAXUSOFVLADD]

All that money for nothing 😅🤣. Prizm at its finest

[@JQM78]

The real crime is the autos Panini actually put in this product. 99% are absolute jobbers & worth less than $10

[@joshuakenney4449]

Funny because backyard and all those big streamers get massive boxes lol

[@user-qp2uw2im5n]

I was thinking that Geoff’s answer would be Curry rookie, c’mon Geoff, crack some of those open, do it for the fans 😊

[@stephenmpitcher]

It is good to see one of the hobby's biggest influencers calling this out. It is such a bad experience for card shops that sell wax.

[@TheFrozenIpod]

can we get like a 30 minute video of ur pc collection of football and basketball. I would love to see the gems you accumulated over the years

[@Cheetah4life]

Huge fan! 🎉

[@jspjaime6796]

And they want us to pay how much for a box.. $900🤣🤣🤣 yeah fuk that.

[@fliplife67]

Panini is LOL to bank they don’t care and the hobby can’t do a thing about it.

[@1997CARDSxx]

Bruh get those goofy a** card stands outta here😂

[@mikelewis6350]

You gotta watch you buy your cards from I seen people at target putting packs on scales

[@mikepadberg5932]

Stores need to stop selling this junk.

[@RazzleDazzle23]

I don't own a single Panini card, never will.