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[@frshflovrs]

"but if you're old enough to have a period you're old enough to safely have a baby" dude not even fully developed adults can always have babies without dying💀💀

[@rubydiprose8968]

THANKYOU 🙏🙏

[@1luv.m4rs]

that statement also supports p-dophilia.

[@aledore22]

I had my period at 7...I don't like that thought

[@fanofall1163]

I had my period at 10 like.....

[@Ghostly-Lady]

I was ten… yes a child taking care of another child soooo smart

[@goaway3.017]

The first girls point is completely mute, considering if you yelled, "I had an abortion!" To a crowd of people, they'd probably just be confused. But if you yelled, "I have a gun!" To a crowd of people they'd fucking scatter. Like can she really have that little logic???

[@sriracha_sauce]

That's an amazing way to put it 👏

[@galaxychill9578]

also what the shell does she think guns are for?! they were literally invented to harm people

[@dklee.01]

THIS 😭

[@megana5766]

That’s a completely different scenario. The first statement “if you don’t like abortions, don’t get one” she combatted with “if you don’t like guns don’t get one”. But even then those statements aren’t equivalent. We are given the right to gun ownership in the constitution, we don’t have a right to abortion. The great debate is, should we have that right? It comes down to whether you think abortion is ending a life and/or if it’s morally justified to intentionally end a pregnancy. With guns, they are weapons but they are not dangerous, it’s the people who handle them. We have rules set up for guns, if you kill someone with it, it can either be morally justified in self-defense or your actions aren’t justified and you’ve committed murder. For both gun violence and abortion, case by case is the best way to analyze. Some abortions are justified. I think a lot of messages get lost in the middle but abortions should be safe, legal, and rare.

[@grapejuice3943]

@@megana5766 "guns arent dangerous" dawg you dont even need a BULLET for it to be dangerous

[@caidalee1994]

It drives me crazy how people will just assume that having an abortion is just an easy shrug. For most people, it’s an extremely upsetting and difficult decision. Most of these people are in a lot of pain, on top of being accosted by strangers sticking their nose into a choice they are no part of.

[@audreydoyle5268]

Literally. I have a friend who **needed** one, because if she carried to term, she would've died from liver failure. She was so distraught and beyond upset for weeks before and after, cause she knew it could've been her first baby boy. She already has two gorgeous girls, so she's already "done her job" according to the "right". I have an 8 year old sister, who's developing rapidly. She could ov any day, Gods and Goddesses I pray, forbid anything happens to her, but if she's assaulted, she could easily get pregnant (high fertility runs in both sides of her parentage). Even teenage pregnancy is high risk, child pregnancy is mostly fatal. I have a cousin with Endo, if she gets pregnant and it's ectopic, which is much more likely in her case, she will die without an abortion. So many reasons. Even my older sister, who has decided not to have children has an entirely valid reason to have one. She'd be a terrible mother (not on purpose, she would just get triggered a lot easier) due to the trauma she and I sustained from our father. She used to hit me, while I internalised. And if I got pregnant, even though I desperately want children, I wouldn't want them to be born yet to a mother who doesn't have their shit together. I want to go to therapy first, build a home, have stable enough finances. I want my children, and all children for that matter, born into love, not obligation, not abuse, not neglect, not poverty. Love.

[@courtneypeet9131]

Not to mention how painfull a forced miscarriage or a DNC is

[@lindenm.9149]

People who choose IVF who have the SOLE intention of bringing life into the world have to forcibly abort when a pregnancy is not viable. It’s heartbreaking and so traumatic. But it is not going to create that life. I can’t imagine an IVF pregnancy that is forced to stay in the uterus until something awful happens.

[@ezekielrayfield1512]

wait but why is it an hard decision. Think about if it like how many pro choicers say that iti s a clump of cells/ parasite or whatever than why would it be a hard decision. If I got surgery to get rid of a mole that not a hard decision or something I would be in pain in(mentally speaking) the reason why it is painful and difficult is because deep down the woman knows their killing their baby and it wrong it called guilt. also if your harming someone else it is society business to get involve.

[@keribere244]

@@ezekielrayfield1512 it’s a hard decision because a) often many people actually WANT that fetus b) many feel guilt because of being told they’re baby killers, etc c) nervous about the procedure, and afterwards they may develop postpartum depression and likely many more reasons

[@NukeNukedEarth]

''The right for life tries bodily autonomy''. From a legal standpoint, no it does not. If your child desperatly need blood, bone marrow, plasma, a kidney, you name it and you're a compatible donor, the government CANNOT force you to donate those things to your kind, even if they are guaranteed to die.

[@gaxalee7392]

Yep!!

[@nerdoftheatre]

Even if you die, you have more bodily autonomy over your organs. In the USA, if you don't sign a form in order to be an organ donor, they can't do anything with your organs. Even if it can save someone else's life.

[@sisuguillam5109]

Even if you are a corpse. If you die and your kid needs organ donations and you have left no authorisation for your organs to be taken your organs will not be taken. A corpse has more rights in that scenario than a living pregnant person.

[@orsolyafekete7485]

It does not from a moral standpoint either. What good is the "right for life" if I can't decide what to do with it?

[@pmtoner9852]

@@sisuguillam5109 the right wing doesn't place women's rights over the rights of corpses

[@Artemis513]

oh my god can we talk about the white girl mocking the phrase "my culture is not your costume" to be transphobic because i think hearing that gave me actual brain damage. first of all, buying tampons is not a culture it's literally a public product available at most decent-size stores. a trans woman buying tampons is not her putting on a costume to mock anybody, it's just a person buying something for fuck's sake. just because she won't use them doesn't mean she doesn't know anybody who doesn't

[@shn4zy]

You are forgetting that she's a basic white girl that's been in the US for probably many generations. She has no culture. All she has is being a woman. That's why she's so protective of it. I am also a white girl who's been in the US since the mayflower and I embrace that I have no culture. LOL A lot of conservative white people are ashamed that they have nothing; so whiteness, gender, and religion is all they have.

[@DayDreamingWriters]

Exactly Thanks for saying that

[@pansexualdickhaver6878]

I don’t think trans women would be the ones using them. It’d be transmen or ENBIES 😂

[@themanictypewriter]

YES!!!! THANK YOU!!! I had to do a double take when she said that like. 😨😨😨

[@fruitpackette]

terfs make being cis their whole personality 😭

[@romyjane17]

So the right to life trumps bodily autonomy? Who is gonna steal her kidney? Because that kidney can save someone, so obviously it is more important than her bodily autonomy /s

[@caidalee1994]

*/hj

[@pansexualdickhaver6878]

Good analogy

[@dana-ger_to_society1011]

Who cares if she dies, she has to give away her kidney to save someone's life.

[@gaxalee7392]

This!! No one, regardless of the rarity of their blood type or other rare&helpful conditions, is required to give up a part of themselves(blood donations, organ donations, etc.) in order to SAVE a life. But god forbid someone with a uterus say, “hey, I don’t wanna/literally can’t go through this physically and mentally traumatic and highly expensive process that has a high chance of killing me just for the small chance of successfully creating a life I didn’t want to create in the first place.”

[@sisuguillam5109]

In the US you can't be forced to donate blood. Yet here these people are...

[@beans1557]

I think we should seriously start calling them anti-choice not pro-life. Lots of people are already using the term and it’s way more accurate.

[@mooshielove9151]

Pro forced birth

[@j.c.2240]

Anti-autonomy

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Anti-choice sums it up so well

[@shakirashipslied9721]

They sure aren't pro-life considering most of them don't care about the children anyhow.

[@GaiaTheLeafwing]

I'd say they are neighbors with terfs if not under the terf umbrella

[@NicknotNak]

I certainly havent been shot by an abortion before.

[@professorfoxtrot]

You also haven't been shot by the holocaust. doesn't mean millions didn't die!

[@letterborneVods]

@@professorfoxtrot Oh, hi again! Nice to see you’re still supporting Queer Kiwi. I would be interested to know how exactly you’ve been mass murdered by an abortion before 🙂

[@professorfoxtrot]

@@letterborneVods No murdered person has ever discussed the subject of being murdered. Not the 6 million jews killed during the holocaust and not the 60 million lives killed by extreme leftists in support of abortion.

[@tastymiku]

@@professorfoxtrot are you,, comparing getting an abortion to the _holocaust????_

[@professorfoxtrot]

@@tastymikuThey're not equivalent. 10 timss more lives were taken by the hands of leftwing nuts, mostly targetting black communities in seeking to abort their children.

[@Yawnyz]

the tampon thing is literally like when a kid doesn't finish their green beans, and throws them away, and their parents say "y'know there's starving kids in Africa"

[@1th_to_comment.]

I only respond to that with "Shut up. If you cared about the starving kids in Africa, you'd feed them." It just gets annoying after the 746,855th time.

[@ashitakedia5814]

@@1th_to_comment. my parents used to remind me of the hundreds of kids starving on the streets everyday but I couldn’t use your rebuttal cuz they literally used to distribute food to those kids every month.

[@LeBatteur]

If someone cared about starving children, they’d send them food. Otherwise they’re just being a guilt tripping asshole.

[@shadywolf6042]

I'm almost an adult and now I get literally sick if I throw food out even if it's rotten because of this trend of pushing kids to eat everything on their plates. Plus little kid's taste is different than adults or teens bitter things are ten times to them

[@tc-tm1my]

Is me eating going to solve their hunger?

[@whatevermatewhatevermate6638]

I feel like something that people tend to overlook is the fact that if you force someone to carry a child to term, you're creating a situation where that child could grow up being neglected or abused because their parent didn't want them in the first place. That, and/or they could grow up not having all the things they need (food, shelter, clothes, etc.) because their parent wasn't ready to bring a child into the world in the first place. The question shouldn't be "is a fetus a baby". The question should be "what kind of life is this child going to have if it's carried to term"

[@Ray4938]

yes i like this

[@jasperjazzie]

yeah, a lot of people say abortions are selfish, but what's more selfish, having an abortion or bringing a kid into the world that you don't want, can't provide for, and the kid ends up wishing they hadn't been born anyway?

[@carmelakosmalski9927]

Hi, I totally understand where you're coming from. Growing up in a family that has less money has been very difficult and i know how scary it can be. However, I think we can meet at a middle ground here. I have a few honest questions for you (feel free to answer them or not, but just make sure you think about them:).1) So with that logic, do you think that, all of the family's who are in those difficult situations should kill their children because their life is difficult? 2) Do you think that a life is not worth protecting because it will be hard? 3) Do you think we should go around killing homeless people because their lives are hard and they don't have the resources they need to live a good healthy life? 4) In addition to this what mother worth herself would kill her own child just to make sure that the child/she herself won't have a ''difficult life''? Well I've come to a conclusion to this myself from a moral standpoint, and that is, being ripped out of your own mothers womb or (from the mothers prospective) killing your child is much more difficult and painful then having less money... There are pregnancy centers across the nation that are willing to provide things like food, toiletries or any other things that women in crisis pregnancies will need. Killing your child is not a solution. It will only add to the trauma of this situation. Existence is better then non-existence.

[@whatevermatewhatevermate6638]

@Carmela Kosmalski I think you're missing the point, my guy. Once someone is out of the womb and is living their life, there is no good reason to kill them. Full stop. However, if you live in a country where "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" is a fairytale used to prevent legislation that would allow people to rise out of poverty, you start to feel apprehensive about having children. How could you, in good conscience, bring life into the world knowing that you're not going to be able to provide for it? So, in that sense, I believe that people should be allowed to have access to abortions regardless of their social status/class position. If we had more social safety nets for all people, as well as more access to reproductive health resources/education, there would be less need for abortions altogether. Some people simply can't provide financially for a child, while others are simply too young to be having a child in the first place. Some have underlying conditions that would make pregnancy/child-rearing extremely difficult. I mean the list goes on. Restricting access further just makes things harder for everyone, and the child born from that struggle is just gonna have to sit and suffer until they're finally old enough to try and help themselves.

[@ashitakedia5814]

As a non American I don’t even get the foetus and baby debate because the foetus isn’t formed until the eleventh week of pregnancy so then why is the abortion cap 6 weeks if it’s all about the foetus. I could be wrong about the law but this is just what I have seen on the internet.

[@ssaavv14]

It makes me upset as a person of color how she said "my culture is not your costume," like pads and tampons aren't culture and i use them.

[@franjkav]

It’s real ironic how they act like appropriation ain’t real but proceed to very clearly appropriate language from other groups and weaponize it in nasty ways. It’s incredibly immature.

[@butterflypooo]

Yeah, that was such a weird take. The other stuff I sort of expected (a lot of people treat Dylan like that for some reason), but when she said “culture”, I was like, “Excuse me?? 🧐”

[@Alli-gj5ob]

I am sorry you feel that way. But you are also a woman. Do you not get offended when men put on makeup and act all "quirky" to mock us? These men are putting on a costume and degrading woman to a stereotype.

[@ffionam3504]

@@Alli-gj5ob are you talking about trans women or drag? I’m a woman as well and I don’t find either offensive. Trans women can wear makeup if they like, it doesn’t bother me and even if it did it’s none of my business what makeup people choose to wear. And drag is a form of expression that’s done for fun and entertainment. It isn’t a mockery of anything, I don’t actively seek it out to watch but it doesn’t bother me.

[@peachesandcream22]

@@Alli-gj5ob I don't think that men who wear makeup, accessories and more "feminine" clothings every day do that for clout or to mock women because in my country, you can be literally beaten up by gangs for dying your hair or for wearing a skirt if you're a man. If someone does that really for humiliation, then... They deffinitely have personal problems and we shouldn't care what happens inside their heads. But for usual men who prefer different life style, in many countries, it's a danger for their lives so they don't have a reason to be mysoginistic about this.

[@iamobsessedwithshadowsight]

The forced birth fandom won’t like this one

[@Nick-dx2pt]

Forced birth fandom 💀

[@Alli-gj5ob]

Saving a baby's life is worth a pregnancy.

[@Tiny_Koi]

@@Alli-gj5ob i'm an embro bias, what's your bias ?

[@Alli-gj5ob]

@@abbeyjane5014 Nope i have not.

[@sheelfjohnson]

@@Alli-gj5ob Help people get birth control, and then there won't be so many abortions needed. But you won't because you vote for republicans, right?

[@Saturnm0ss]

From the age of 7, I have not wanted a child. The fear that I might have to if I somehow get pregnant is the STRONGEST fear I have ever felt

[@nelsama0881]

It is something that terrifies me too. Just thinking about it is really uncanny.

[@katescosmos]

I live in fear of even having sex, because no contraceptive method is 100%, and in my country abortion is WILDLY unaccepted (some people even defend it when the person was raped), so I'm terrified.

[@Honeybeomgyu]

Same, it's like my biggest fear ever. And it's so annoying when people don't understand it, like you wouldn't not understand why someone was afraid of the ocean, because they could drown, so why can't people understand fearing sex, or getting pregnant is because you could have a baby and it'll change your life forever..

[@enti]

Most women in my family have had complications during their pregnancies, it terrifies me

[@orderlyxchaos]

the masturbation thing made me think: following a pro-lifer's pov, wouldn't guys masturbating be genocide? if so, why aren't more of them peddling that point around like they do the fear-mongering, guilt-tripping and slut-shaming parts? EDIT: i meant normal mass-murder, not genocide specifically

[@ezekielrayfield1512]

this is the most dumbest shit i've seen um no the baby is conceived when the sperm enter the egg that basic biology. also slut shaming is a net postive change my mind.

[@1th_to_comment.]

Not genocide, but mass murder. Genocide is quite different from regular mass murder.

[@moonlighthowling666]

They like to make the excuse that it's only after the egg is fertilized that it counts as a baby... which is still stupid, but that answers your question

[@Angela1111122222]

They did back in the day from what I remember from religion classes

[@audilly_4716]

@@moonlighthowling666 So hypothetically if two ppl were doing the deed and fertilised an egg but kept going... is there now 3 people in that activity?

[@caidalee1994]

“That person should give those tampons to a woman who needs it” Then why don’t *you* buy tampons and give them to women who can’t afford them? But you’re not helping those women either, are you? You’re just using them as a pawn in an argument. And as Sav said, she might keep them for her cisters who need them. Or she could throw them away. Who cares? While it’s not very environmentally friendly, that would really be the only issue with it. She wasn’t buying the entire store so nobody could have any. You’re just mad people are buying things.

[@gaxalee7392]

Could also be buying them so their trans man friends don’t have to.

[@Nylak-Otter]

I use tampons to plug gunshot wounds. Seriously, they're absorbent, mostly sterile, and they just slip right in there and stop up all the blood flow. I stock em in my truck's trauma kit. I also am female, but now the fellas on my task force keep tampons in their vehicles, too. You never know when your coworker needs a backup or someone gets shot right in front of you these days.

[@HannAGHLightning]

right that whole give them to someone who needs them argument ignores the very real possibility that this person maybe just maybe bought the tampons to do exactly that!!

[@audilly_4716]

@@Nylak-Otter Also nosebleeds which might be a more common use (I wouldn't know how often shootings are I'm Aussie)

[@jounikemppi]

@@Nylak-Otter I'm a cis man living alone and I have tampons and pads in the bathroom. I have a lot of friends and two adult daughters and one teenage granddaughter and they often spend nights here. Having female hygiene products is the same thing than having extra toothbrushes, shampoo & conditioner (I'm bald), towels etc. for the guests.

[@Rosa8princess]

It’s super cringe that I used to be super pro-life, but AT LEAST I didn’t fall down the alt-right pipeline like these people. It was super frustrating to me that I couldn’t find liberal or left-wing pro-life influencers and all the pro-lifers I followed would start spouting anti-trans or anti-birth control narratives (and it’s gotten SOOO much worse since I stopped following them). Lmaoo like they shot themselves in the foot because I had to step back multiple times and ask myself if I was legitimately the asshole or not because THEY were assholes. But I just couldn’t justify what I was indoctrinated into believing was “murder.” Until I finally learned WHY it wasn’t murder and deconstructed all the lies and false narratives I was given by my church.

[@pansexualdickhaver6878]

I wasn’t even religious and still fell Into the MAGA cult😂 I’m thankful for character development. That’s for sure!

[@rachelcarpenter3965]

Me too! I grew up relatively conservative and super pro-life, deconstructed conservatism in general first, but it took me until very recently to become pro-choice. Long process.

[@pansexualdickhaver6878]

@@rachelcarpenter3965 i was the opposite. Was raised baptist but deconstructed religion pretty early on but didn’t fully deconstruct from conservatism until way later

[@selkiescove8697]

I’m so happy you got out of the pro-life mindset! It’s a hard thing to do :)

[@sassylittleprophet]

My abusive conservative Christian parents joined a Christian fundamentalist cult when I was 6. I was raised pro-life, anti-vax, and in so many other conspiracy theories, and I was homeschooled my entire school education and taught creationism (insert Kent Hovind). I got married to a man in the cult when I was 19, and started questioning things I was taught (most notably resulting in my absolute apathy on whether or not immigrants come to the U.S. "legally" because they're just people trying to live their lives, and how is that mine or anybody's business?). I left the cult (much to the chagrin of my husband who actually threatened to kill himself), and 3 weeks later I left him. It took around 6 to 12 months of me living in the real world to realize what being poor is (I left my husband, family, my community/the cult with pretty much nothing), that privilege and white supremacy are a thing (for context, I was taught the South should've won the Civil War, and that "reverse racism" was a thing...to anyone needing education in that area, I recommend the book called "How To Be Less Stupid About Race"), the fact that I'm queer, and that someone choosing to get an abortion doesn't affect me and is none of my business. What followed shortly after was mine and my husband's divorce, a charged political conversation where I actually stood up to my dad for the first time, I came out to my family as a lesbian, I discovered I'm also nonbinary (never bothered to come out to my family in that aspect), I lost my faith/belief in God's existence, realized that gun control is a fucking *necessity,* I started going to therapy after driving myself to the hospital during a suicidal period after leaving 2 sets of toxic friend groups, I met good people shortly after who are my best friends to this day, Started studying evolution/evolutionary biology and just the barest understanding convinced me that scientists actually have evidence and know wtf they're talking about, Oh, and I cut complete contact with my family because any contact with them sends my mental health spiraling. Anyways, yeah it's been a ride.

[@sleepy-emerald]

"The right for life trumps bodily autonomy." Okay, give me your liver.

[@mads3166]

Can you imagine just being able to demand someone to give you their kidney to save your life? XD

[@sleepy-emerald]

@@mads3166 That would be a world. Probably not a very good one.

[@ikykwklk2005]

Not the liver, they take half and it regenerates. Go for the kidney

[@hellodaydream6684]

@@ikykwklk2005nah the hearts better

[@randomaccount64]

Give me a kidney they sell for a lot 😈...

[@LeftieLoosie]

I can almost guarantee that everyone that says “womanhood isn’t a costume” has dressed up at least once in a culturally offensive costume for Halloween

[@katescosmos]

This made me think of something funny. Someone posted on Twitter "womanhood is not a costume, stop wearing dresses and putting balloons in your chest to pretend they're boobs", to which someone responded with "so you consider dresses and boobs to be directly tied to women?" and OP responded with "shit, you're right"

[@beeppboopp]

New Legislation Idea: All politicians or influences who publicly try to take away abortion rights is automatically signed up to be a kidney donor 🥰 we'll save so many lives!

[@obcaslost]

As a citizen of our country you are automatically a donor if you die like in a car crash or something. If you do not want your organs to be donated, you can ask for putting your name on a special list of people who do not want to donate. I just do not get it why in the US you have to ask for the opposite thing. If I was dead I would no longer care about my body, if it can help survive someone else, I’d be so happy.

[@Luckyou1]

Agreed

[@rat8670]

It’s giving chaotic good

[@midnightsan9917]

Also a blood and bone marrow donor.

[@anamelchior7194]

That's the best idea I've seen in a while

[@yourmom2189]

I have had an abortion. It was the best thing for me to do at the time. I have never regretted it. A year after that I got pregnant again and was planning on having another abortion, but I didn’t do it in time for my personal comfort, so I carried the baby to term. I love my child so much and I’m so glad I didn’t abort them. But I still have no regrets about the abortion I had. If I had carried that pregnancy to term also, I probably wouldn’t be here today. Let people make decisions about their own bodies.

[@ellaharvey5100]

Thank you for sharing your story❤️❤️❤️

[@roxyndra]

Glad you and your kiddo are doing well.

[@yourmom2189]

@@roxyndra thanks! My baby is an adult already! How time flies!

[@keithcass257]

I’m in the same exact boat right now. Currently 35 weeks, I don’t regret my first pregnancy ending in abortion. If it wasn’t for that I wouldn’t be here right now

[@deusex9731]

I dont get how these people say that the potential life is more important than the actual humans that live, that have a better life because they had access to an abortion. There are probably cases where someone regretted their abortion, but for most people its a well thought through decision that improved their lives.

[@hexonyou]

of course they pulled the clip of Dylan saying she's going to go buy tampons, but not sharing the clip where she recounts about a girl a stall over asking her for a tampon and her not having one; thus her resolving that she would always have some in case people around her needs one. And yes, she got just as many people crying that she was taking resources away; like you said, as though that changed the ability of low income families to access them. And I laughed pretty good at her trying to pass off her transphobia as Dylan "appropriating"... what, period... culture...? tf

[@frenchiestfry9045]

It’s not Dylan in this video haha

[@randomaccount64]

I dont have my period anymore (trans dude) but no one would bat an eye to me buying them. It's only when it's trans woman do people care

[@arkadiakowalczyk4768]

For a moment my ADHD let me love in a beautiful world where I forgot what pro life is and thought it means anti depresion

[@XD-pl8qu]

That would be more pro-life than what pro-life actually means

[@j.c.2240]

Let's hijack the term and force these parasites to label themselves accordingly. Pro-life now means pro mental health support, pro medical care, and pro suicide prevention.

[@1th_to_comment.]

@@XD-pl8qu yeah, actually. They're pro-birth not pro-life.

[@xXJoeyXxcoooool]

same😢

[@alexxxxxxis]

@@1th_to_comment. more like anti-choice

[@julismaris7708]

In Hungary, they passed a law that you have to listen to your fetus' heartbeat before you can abort it and it's just so fucking cruel, like its just made to make women who abort feel bad and its so disgusting I just don't have any words

[@audreydoyle5268]

That is... Literally heartbreaking. Not to make light of it, that's some low class manipulation. Absolutely abhorrent

[@kaileychambers6969]

Hope no one tells the extremists conservatives here in America, they might try to force to be the law for all states that still allow abortions, just for fun to make more people's lives worse.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Its not even a heartbeat most of the time. Youre hearing the pulses made by the machine because it employs soundwaves to form an image.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Science addition aside. It may help some people? Its still unimaginably cruel and my heart goes out to the people forced to make that decision and then be essentially emotionally trtured

[@OzCroc]

I don't get how it's cruel. I'm pro choice but like, just listen to the heartbeat? Who cares, it's just a fetus.

[@ittybittybitchboy]

I'm not sure how I feel about religion rn (trans gay dude, trauma, long story T^T), but I remember a quote that stuck with me on the days that I feel closer to Christianity. "God made transgender people for the same reason that he made wheat but not bread, and grapes but not wine. He wanted humanity to delight in creation." that comforts me :)

[@cynister7384]

Bro found the only wholesome Christian quote

[@ittybittybitchboy]

@@cynister7384 honestly its the best one ive found😭

[@Austin-xs8bn]

Jesus made wine though

[@awkwardukulele6077]

@@Austin-xs8bn he turned water into wine. Transphobic Christian would be like somebody drinking that wine and calling it water, because it didn’t start out as wine.

[@martymcfly1506]

thank you. I'm also a Christian trans guy. Something I think of sometimes is how God made day and night, but there are dawn and evening; water and land but there are swamps; and other natural examples of how there are very few things in nature that hold a binary.

[@Mandavee]

Like, I'm a ciswoman who doesnt menstruate very often (thanks Mirena) and I still keep pads and tampons on me to help out friends or people in the bathroom who might need one.

[@CasperTheDadLover]

Im a trans guy who just has a naturally irregular period because of genetics, I always carry a tampon on me incase someone freaking needs one because I'm a decent person 😭

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

My periods are usually a little bit of spotting and I haven't used tampons in years as I use a cup. I haven't needed to use my cup in over 6 months at least but I still have emergency tampons on me just in case I or anyone else needs them

[@peachesandcream22]

I have dysmenorrhea and I buy a lot of pads for the next period, but if a guest is inside my flat and they suddenly menstruate, I can always offer them my pads.

[@AlreadyFallenOut3]

Me too!! But in this case it's thanks to PCOS.

[@gracejordan110]

EXACTLY. I don’t menstruate due to endo and I still make sure I have some handy for people that do need them.

[@commandercorl1544]

The fact that the TikToker things she's destroying the pro-choicers or something is hilarious.

[@mageofmagic870]

I legit almost started laughing when she unironically said that her buying a gun has no effect on other people! She really thought she ate with that one! The fact that she doesn't see how actually stupid that statement is is both funny and sad!

[@commandercorl1544]

@@mageofmagic870 guys i totally owned the libs by stating something entirely false

[@psychopomp5636]

I loved the "ah, the pro-choices fell right into my trap with this one!"

[@paigemosher8697]

It's always the stupid people that think they're smarter than everyone else.

[@locafries3004]

As someone who watched live child births, I can’t imagine why anyone would force that on somebody. It’s literally body horror!

[@katescosmos]

Putting body horror and birth in the same quote made think of a very gross part of Uzumaki from Junji Ito... yuck.

[@iambored5585]

People need to understand the harm it does to the child if they are unwanted. Even if you do not give a single shit about the life or well-being of the person carrying the pregnancy but you "care" about the potential child, understand this being born when you are unwanted is one of the worst feelings in the world. Growing up your entire life knowing that your parents don't love you even from the age of like 2 or 3 hurts so much, especially when you are young because you won't be able to understand why. I'm saying this from personal experience, I tried to k*ll myself at the age of 7 because I thought that I was a horrible awful burden to everyone in my life and that no one would ever be able to love me. That is the harm that comes from having a child that is unwanted. That is one of the many reasons why you should only bring a kid into this world if you actually want them. Its taken me years to unlearn the hatred I had for myself as a child, to work on my depression and anxiety, and in general, understand that I am enough and people who know that are the ones that are important. All of those issues came from being a child who was not wanted or loved by their parents and that is what you are condemning these children to if you force people to carry a pregnancy to term. It does not matter if you think you are "saving" them from pain in reality you are just causing them more pain and don't even start on adoption or foster care because the amount of trauma that those kids go through is insane. If you don't believe me I suggest you look up stats on the s**cide(attempt and success) rates, the rates of mental health issues in general that kids growing up in the foster care system experience, and the rates of ab*se(s*xual and physical) that foster/adopted kids experience there is no "better alternative" for the potential child. If their parents don't want kids then they shouldn't give birth to a child. (censoring words so youtube will allow me to post)

[@Helen-oi7qm]

Thank you for sharing your story

[@kaileychambers6969]

Adding to this, even if parents do love their child they didn't want, it can still cause harm to the child. Especially if they have a sibling who was planned. Speaking from my experience, my parents have always been fairly distant and a bit neglectful for most of my childhood. They clearly love my little sister more and it causes me so much pain knowing I'll never have that kind of love from them. My parents have gotten better and I get that they weren't really ready to have a kid when they had me, but every time I'm in a low place I end up spiraling over the fact my parents never wanted me. It is genuinely so painful

[@tj1733]

I don’t want to be mean, but are you glad you were born? Or do you think you would have been better served by being aborted? Sorry I hope I was able to phrase this in a way that’s not too crass, it just sounds like that’s what you’re saying

[@Angela1111122222]

Reading it when I have a court trial with my father today Hits hard damn

[@rileyhamiltonsmiley4395]

I'm so sorry that happened to you

[@ravingrabbit124]

"the right to life trumps bodily autonomy." Oh, the can of worms we'd be opening with this one if that were actually true. Imagine if we at any point could just be harvested for non-fatal spare parts like we'd be living in a somewhat milder, non-clone version of The Island...

[@sleepy-emerald]

No, even essential body parts would be on the table. Being forced to give birth can be pretty fatal, whether the cause of death be complications during the birth itself or suicide after (or potentially even before). These people don't value life, they value control.

[@OzCroc]

Honestly I agree with that, if your non fatal organs will save another human you should be forced to give them.

[@OzCroc]

@@HazelT1398 If my kidney was somehow the only thing that could feed a starving child or they would die, I'd be okay with that. You only think it's bad because you've been told how to think your whole life.

[@awkwardukulele6077]

@@OzCroc nice bait.

[@kathrynhuddie1117]

Come to the US! within 5 years, you could tell the difference between fireworks and gunshots, we won't let people get life saving surgeries, and call supportive parents child abusers, while turning a blind-eye to actual child abusers! Woo! Aren't we amazing? On top of that we have the highest prison population, and probably one of the biggest egos!!!it's soooooo awesome!!

[@jansmith1226]

Pretty much.

[@kaileychambers6969]

Average patriot summed up pretty well. Honestly wish less Americans actually liked our country, cause being content with that being our reality isn't going to help improve anything.

[@1th_to_comment.]

@@kaileychambers6969 I hate this place.

[@mudsludge]

what's with "call supportive parents child abusers"? genuinely asking because i've never heard it before

[@vinylcreeks]

Why do you call supportive parents child abusers?

[@Checker_The_Bard]

I'd rather a parent be stable enough to have a child then raise a child wrong and be unintentionally abusive just because their religion said they have to keep it

[@user-vw4xp5nt9f]

"the baby has separate dna from the mother" yeah so does my mitochondria dude

[@user-vw4xp5nt9f]

niche biology joke that really isn't that niche (or at least i hope it isn't)

[@Ray4938]

i think most of us who arent in stem forgot all our bio education...

[@siphonophorespiral]

That tiktoker looks like she'd call me several slurs tbh

[@user-uo9kf1sx5o]

I hope that woman who was angry about the tampons has never wasted a single morsel of food

[@RBTGT]

Maya was the first person I ever did a debate with on tiktok. She was… interesting to say the least. Now I’ve been advocating for reproductive rights on tiktok for almost a full year and I’m not stopping anytime soon! ❤

[@Helen-oi7qm]

Thank u for using your voice! It must be tiring but u are literally restoring my faith in humanity. I wish u the very best!

[@alchemysaga3745]

15:00 Notice something she left out? Something that specifically undermines the "Pro-Life" (Pro-Forced Birth) argument about "adoption and the foster system existing"? She leaves out the fact that the legalization of abortion had a *direct causation* upon the number of unwanted children in the government/adoption system... specifically, it *drastically reduced the number of UNWANTED children in the system.* In turn, it reduced the number of children who aged out of the system vs being adopted out of it. She also ignores the fact that if even a *fraction* Pro-Birth individuals _even APPLIED_ to adopt or foster, the number of children in state care would be drastically reduced- _or would even fall to zero._ However, the reality is that not only do the overwhelming majority of Pro-Birth people *not* adopt, but: 1. Many of those who do have internalized beliefs that their biological children are superior to their adopted children, and that the bond with biological children is similarly superior. 2. Many of them not only refuse to even consider adoption, but actively campaign for laws that keep children in the adoption and government care system, rather than 'risk' those children be adopted by people who fufill all requirements to apply, but belong to demographics _they dislike- such as gay or transgender individuals; people who belong to different religions _or even just different denominations_ than they do; or that would create mix race race families. 3. Many of them also oppose the social programs that support children in government, adoption, or foster care, or that would alleviate the transitional difficulties of the children that age out of government to being adults (which is the majority.) 4. Likewise, they ignore the fact that the children least likely to be adopted are those who they frequently seek to oppress- meaning LGBT+ children and teens. Of course, they insist that it doesn't matter if they refuse to adopt the children they say can simply be adopted; they insist it doesn't matter that they oppose programs that support the children they force people to birth; they insist it doesn't matter that they pushed for laws to trap within the government care system the children they forced the birth of. To them, the only thing that matters is that they forced the birth of those children. That's the only thing they have to do to be considered 'moral.' Everything else isn't their fault, even though they're the ones taking those things away after they used the existence of them to justify forcing people to be little more than incubators for pregnancies that Pro-Birth individuals immediately think should have never been born. Logic doesn't matter to them. They just want to feel like they're doing something 'good' without having to actually put any effort into it. If their "good" means forcing people through a horrific and traumatic experience that can be fatal, just to immediately blame both generations of their victims for existing? That's not REALLY _their_ problem, they just forced that problem upon those individuals. Their empathy, sense of responsibility to 'protect life,' and ability to think about that 'life' ends as soon as it is actually a person.

[@sisuguillam5109]

Well said.

[@wintergray1221]

George Carlin said it best. If you're preborn, you're fine. If you're preschool, you're f-cked.

[@j.c.2240]

Because once it's an actual person, actually caring about it becomes difficult. Actual people actually need things, like resources, and care, and love, and caring about them might make you question your morals. But an embryo? They aren't the mother, they don't have to sacrifice anything. An embryo can be imagined to have any traits they'd like it to have, they can think of it as a saint, they can assume it'll be "perfect". And once it's born, it's no longer an embryo, so they no longer care.

[@paulaingle7390]

👏 👏👏👏 SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PATHETIC WOMEN HATERS PROTESTING OUTSIDE OF PLANNED PARENTHOODS

[@FeministCatLadySpinster]

I shouldn't be surprised, but: there's "pro life TikTok"????? Edit: I don't know who this Tiktoker is, but oh my goodness she is smug.

[@KamenRiderFeline]

Unfortunately that's the smugness of someone who is sure they're never going be on the opposite side of what they're preaching.

[@jessicaK_wolfspirit00]

Most Christian conservatives are smug

[@rachelgoldenburg2241]

I think that’s what bothers me the most- she isn’t just confident in her position, she is downright smug, looking down at her opposition from an ivory tower of moral uprightness.

[@wokeMnM]

“Fun” storytime! So, today in bible studies we were talking about the oppression of christians. Now, don’t get me wrong, there are countries where christians are genuinely oppressed and it’s disgusting and definitely a real problem. But then they went on to say that there being activities on Sunday was oppressing??!? Or, get this, one of the ladies told about her niece, I believe, and she studies to be a NURSE and she had a class or smth that was on abortions and how they work and they said it was OPPRESSION!?! Like, girl, if you don’t want to give healthcare don’t be a nurse plz.. Anywayss now I’m mad. And btw anyone wondering why I go to bible studies, I’m not religious but my mom kinda guilt trips me into going. Sometimes it’s kinda interesting like when we were talking about climate change but I’m just mad rn Sorry for the slight rant lol

[@rubyrootless7324]

... wow xD

[@alchemysaga3745]

The reason for the loose definition of 'oppression' that so many Christians- I would go as far as to say the majority, though the majority may not go to the same extremes- use, relates to the fact that they use the idea that they are being 'oppressed' as 'evidence of their faith' and thus 'evidence of moral superiority.' It creates a _vicious_ feedback loop in many Christians. They resort to creating perceived slights (like people who aren't Christians having the audacity to exist in the same space as them) in order to prop up their identity as a Christian without having to do something that would take _actual_ effort. They then use this 'reinforced' Christian identity to prop up their personal identity of being 'morally superior' and thus 'being more valuable' as a person than those who are not Christians. Basically, they consider 'being oppressed' as evidence that they're 'better people' because of the links between persecution of Christians in the Bible and the 'moral superiority' of the faith. Nevermind that they are not only ignoring all of the acts that were done by earlier Christianity that created the implication of being more moral; or the sections of the Bible that support *horribly* immoral things. Also irrelevant is the fact that they don't apply the same concept that "persecution = moral superiority" to anyone other than them, and _absolutely_ not to the demographics they themselves oppress. Basically, the more they have it pointed out to them that, "hey, you're forcing your faith on us with laws while crying about how us _existing_ is us oppressing you. That's pretty crappy, immoral, and hypocritical." the more they double down on the idea that they're the ones being oppressed and thus 'morally superior,' because it's the only thing they have to justify being such horrible people with- because it would be too much work to _actually_ follow their own religion.

[@j.c.2240]

As another example, from some stories I've read a few years ago. A public school decided to accommodate Muslim students by giving them one room to pray in private during their designated time. No one was forced to use it, if a Muslim student preferred to pray right where they were they could, no non-muslim student had to enter the room during prayer time, and the school was careful in making sure that no classes would be interrupted. It was reported as a violation and painted as if everyone was made to use the room. A private room. With 20 people in it. That no one had to come into. A different public school decided that they weren't going to have a prayer over the loud speaker before a football game. Anyone could still pray if they wanted to, just not over the loud speaker. It was painted as Christianity being banned.

[@natalieisnotverycool]

yeah, I'm kinda in the same situation right now as well! I'm not religious, but my family is, and I've attended a Christian school my entire life. Bible class is always interesting because my class all has different opinions and viewpoints, but living in a mainly pro-life and right-wing area has deeply affected them and they all just kind of have the same views now. Whenever we have discussions, they aren't very respectful toward other cultures and religions, which sucks. One time we were talking about bringing other people to Christianity, and long story short, I definitely do not feel safe telling anyone in my class about my not being a Christian. (But my teacher is so respectful and refuses to let his own opinions get in the way of his teaching, he's awesome!)

[@roxyndra]

Yo as a PK I think Bible Studies are valuable bc a) Know Thine Enemy, and b) Some of those bible-studiers are the sweetest people so imo it's a nice chill time.

[@audreyl2498]

Something you said made me think of a funny story. So for some context, I'm homeschooled and live in the southern US, so the community here is pretty saturated in evangelical Christianity. Another thing is I've been dying my hair at home for a few years now, I'm a natural brunette, use box dye at home, and don't bleach so it usually comes out a dark red or pink and fades to copper after a couple of months. Last year, I tried out for madrigals in the choir I participate in, didn't end up getting in for reasons unrelated to this story, after my audition the director said I had a good voice but then asked if she could ask a personal question. I told her to go ahead, and she got real close and whispered "Why do you dye your hair?" I think I answered something along the lines of "Because I like how it looks" and she said "Well I think God likes the hair color he gave you." Take that as you will, I thought it was hilarious, especially considering I heavily suspect this lady lightens her hair or dyes her gray hairs to get that angelic blonde while being almost 70.

[@audreydoyle5268]

Oh the hypocrisy! 🤣

[@roxyndra]

"didn't end up getting in for reasons unrelated to this story" Are you sure?

[@audreyl2498]

@@roxyndra Yup. Pretty sure. Didn't have much to do with my hair or my talent, she just only wanted seniors or exceptional singers in madrigals that year, and I happened to be neither.

[@cranberry420]

Pro life people don't understand that getting a child is a lifelong thing. Not just for the 18 years, it's for the rest of your life. I'm 19, and I have disabilities that stop me from living a normal life. I rely on my mother heavily, and will most likely do for the rest of my life.

[@retro5155]

Bro everyone know it a lifelong thing dumbass god

[@randomaccount64]

Also another thing. They talk about it like a baby is a $1 thing. While people are getting paid $14 an hour if lucky in this kinda world. Like baby formula tins can get up to $70 a tin. And some babies can only have 1 kind of formula so have fun spending and wasting money on finding the right one. Plus there's nappys and bottles. Then let's not even get into town much school for a child costs. And then how could I forget medical bills if your not lucky enough to have free health care.

[@GweenOfTea]

Better not see a pro life person squash a bug under my watch!!!

[@audreydoyle5268]

Or dig into barbecue

[@1th_to_comment.]

Or let children starve instead of helping them find food.

[@Autistic_Sandw1ch.official]

Or only subsist off of photosynthesis to avoid killing plants or animals

[@music42380]

“my culture is not your costume” on tampons??!?! like, it’s girl code to have them for your friends who need them. and her buying them when she herself doesn’t need them. doesn’t help women who can’t access them. and i’m typing this as you already stated this lol

[@pissapocalypse]

This girl is legit delusional if she thinks she made a good argument. It's like she tried to do a backflip but she landed wrong and broke a bone and she still got up and acted like she did a perfect backflip lmao

[@Treeeboy]

Man that tik-tok woman is just insufferably smug! Everything she said is just her being loudly and confidently wrong and just missing the point.

[@deusex9731]

She missed the gotcha so hard its funny

[@carafeeley]

I know, she really thought she did something.

[@carmelakosmalski9927]

Whats the point?

[@tt7190]

So i have to attend this religious class(aka Christianity preaching) and the current teacher/pastor I have is migraine inducing. Like every week he'll come up with new stuff to say to hate on people. He's homophobic, transphobic and prolife and has gone into detail how it's the right thing. But an interesting detail I've spotted is he'll literally like misinturpet things from writings and what not just to make his point. I mean god said love everyone, not just people you've decided fit the box of living a good christian life.

[@caidalee1994]

It’s always frustrating when people like that are given power, especially in the church. Awful and unfortunately common.

[@afoolishfopdoodle3284]

I hate my church's pastor. No matter what the topic of the actual reading is, he'll ALWAYS, without fail, find some way to bring the point back around to how "abortion is murder" and "trans people are indoctrinating children" while me and my alter serving buddy (both of us being trans, by the way) just have to sit there and listen to it. Like, seriously, if you care about "preserving life" so much, maybe you could make life just a little bit easier to take for the suicidal trans kid that if forced to come to mass every Sunday.

[@UlexiteTVStoneLexite]

God doesn't say to love everyone. The Bible says you can own people and beat them as long as they don't die in a day or two

[@1th_to_comment.]

@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite three days later... "Alright Jimmy, time to remove thoes eyes of yours!" "Please... no more!"

[@pissapocalypse]

The irony of being "pro life" and at the same time being homophobic or transphobic is hilarious. Like sir I thought you were pro life. I guess he's not pro every life lol

[@tsharabrown3719]

Dylan literally says in one of her TikToks that she's getting them to give to other women who need them.

[@dklee.01]

i think the worst part of all this is knowing that as pro-choice people we don’t advocate for MORE abortions? we’re actively working to live in a world where it doesn’t get to that point because we really want abortions to be a last resort or medical intervention. but the pro-life people will literally vote against access to contraception/proper sexual education in schools/defunding women’s health clinics which is how we got here in the FIRST place 😟

[@literal.disaster]

"my culture is not your costume" that made me laugh so hard. like yes womanhood is definitely a culture (/s)

[@j.c.2240]

And a culture entirely defined by the monthly shedding of blood and mucus /s

[@cynister7384]

@ferret Same

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@ferret Just be sure to ask for the needed hormones if you manage to get the procedure done

[@iamobsessedwithshadowsight]

The entire thing confuses me. I’m a woman and I mostly wear men’s clothes, does that mean I’m appropriating male culture? Since I don’t like to wear dresses/skirts/makeup am I not a true woman in her eyes? I need the lore

[@literal.disaster]

@@iamobsessedwithshadowsight SAME it's okay we can be confused together 🤝

[@feistygheisty1980]

Something I think you kinda missed in the "toxic masculinity" part is that she (and others like JBP) take the word "strong" to mean physical as well as mental and emotional. They think it means maturity, mental clarity, and emotional endurance. They like to wrap them all into one so that they can pretend that a physically fit dude automatically fulfills the rest of the good traits and they can tell just from looking at them.

[@sisuguillam5109]

How very fascist of them...

[@ezekielrayfield1512]

well if your physically fit you tend to gain the other characteristics of maturity, mental clarity, and emotional endurance and so on.

[@passionate_possum_pal]

@@ezekielrayfield1512 source?

[@ezekielrayfield1512]

@@passionate_possum_pal i dont have a source it just make since that by maintain the discipline to get incredibly fit will gain you the other characteristics

[@feistygheisty1980]

@@ezekielrayfield1512 Absolute bullshit. This is exactly the emotional reasoning I was talking about. Dedication is not maturity. You are creating reasons to associate fitness with mental health and emotional maturity because you are emotionally invested in it being true.

[@52flyingbicycles]

“Human life trumps bodily autonomy every time” sounds like a great plan until you realize the government can do a lot of crazy shit to restrict your freedom in favor of protecting human life. There must be a balance. Regulations on autonomy must be viewed with great skepticism

[@kaileychambers6969]

I honestly can't with the hypocrisy of these people. The people saying "Human life trumps bodily autonomy " are the same people who wouldn't get vaccines and wouldn't donate blood/organs. You can't have it both ways when it suits you. If they want to preach prioritizing life, they better be fully vaxxed, an organ donor, and regularly donate blood. And by their logic, nothing should stop you from doing that either. If you're immunocompromised and can't get vaxxed, too bad. One of your kidneys don't work great, well you should donate your good one anyways. Scared of needles, suck it up cause people are dying. God I hate it here

[@pissapocalypse]

Sign the politicians up for donating organs to save lives if life matters so much to them

[@tc-tm1my]

Except when it comes to gun control.

[@innocencekillz]

I’m a trans guy, I bought an athletic cup for gender euphoria. I just looked at it and held it in my hand, and then I gave it to my buddy to wear for soccer. Literally what’s the problem? Lol

[@Ray4938]

its giving packer falls on bathroom floor and outs you vibe

[@brennakerns]

On the meat eating conversation, they usually also believe in the death penalty but the ending of non-sentient life is murder and that’s not.

[@PokhrajRoy.]

I do hope you’ve recovered from your migraine by now because I’m sure it was an ordeal to sit through what they had to say. P.S. Thank you, Cat!

[@FirstNameBunchANumbers]

As far as i read, the 6yo kid shot their teacher intentionally too. Apparently a staff member at the school had some level of suspicion beforehand and even checked his backpack, and a woman was still shot in the hand and chest (thankfully she recovered)

[@Lenlon703]

Y’all don’t decorate your cultural tampons with flowers and bedazzle them?

[@pissapocalypse]

Y'all don't go to the tampon festival on tampon day??

[@gwendyylion4874]

Like the minion tampon

[@gothicanimegirl44]

Literally everyone should keep spare pads and tampons in their house. I have been 100% waste free with my period for almost a decade now but i still have pads and tampons in my house in case someone needs them.

[@kooskoos12345]

My favorite response to someone saying “agreeing with being trans is saying god makes mistakes” is “well, god made you”

[@Ray4938]

real

[@enti]

JAJSJSJ i'm gonna use that from now on

[@personalcringe]

no bc the idea that a trans persons existence is seen as god making a mistake is honestly so hurtful like, they may not be saying it straight up, but when you say "god doesn't make mistakes" in response to a trans persons existence you're basics calling them a mistake and it is so incredibly ouchies

[@audreydoyle5268]

Exactly. It's a mistake of biology, a fluctuation of hormones, in the similar vein as how depression can alter neural pathways, gene expression and neurotransmitter release.

[@darkwingduck3477]

Nature makes no mistakes because it doesn't perceive anything as a mistake. Nature has no notion or definition of what a "mistake" is. That is a human concept. Only humans define mistakes. Nature simply creates and allows things to exist as they are and however they may be. I don't know of any God other than nature.

[@audilly_4716]

One time someone said that to my trans friend who had blonde dyed hair (She also calls herself a blondie). I said "why would you dye your hair if god makes no mistakes? You're going against god's will" and she was like "that's different, I did it cause I like it" and I was like how tf is that different.

[@arcusLVJY]

people who say abortion is murder are the same people who hunt as a hobby, smells like irony

[@Dragon_Fox]

Thank you Cat for captions! - someone with questionable hearing

[@Checker_The_Bard]

And someone with hearing loss 👍

[@ambereagleswood1429]

I got used to using them since my dads hearing decreased, I didnt realize captions are addictive! Like the words dont get into my brain as easily with savs pretty voice alone:) thanks cat!

[@pissapocalypse]

Yes it's very much appreciated since I have an earwax problem and I can rarely hear clearly lol

[@kev_whatev]

Okay so wait…if God created males and females both in His (Their, apparently) own image, doesn’t that mean God is intersex?

[@fennaknaepen9906]

Holy shit, write that down! Wrote that down!

[@gaxalee7392]

Adam is an intersex man or trans man because a part of himself(the female part) had to be removed to make Eve.

[@sisuguillam5109]

Considering that every human starts out 'female' every male person is trans. And god being both and neither makes sense.

[@audreydoyle5268]

Intersex, into sex and absolutely, fabulously non-binary

[@darkwingduck3477]

I wonder what would happen if you went to a Christian church and started referring to God as a "she" instead of a "he." What would they say?

[@Thathestiadevotee]

I see a lot of other pro choice people saying, “I wouldn’t have an abortion but I support others having the right to have one” and I used to say the same, but after thinking about it more, I’ve realized that I would have an abortion if I wasn’t financially, physically, or emotionally ready for a kid.

[@evem6154]

Plus, there are times where you have to choose between life and death for yourself. My friend had a very wanted pregnancy with a name chosen, clothes bought and everything. Then her kidneys shut down and within a few hours she was close to death with her fetus being beyond saving. She chose life to be there for her toddler. My former coworker was so happy to be finally pregnant after years of trying. She ignored the stomach cramps and spotting she found for days until our boss had to drag her into the ER. She had a ruptured ectopic pregnancy and nearly bled to death internally. Saying "I would never have an abortion" is a very naive position.

[@Thathestiadevotee]

@@evem6154 Yeah there are situations like that too where I would also definitely get an abortion

[@Ray4938]

@@evem6154 I don't think i would get one

[@j.c.2240]

@@Ray4938 Then don't. No one is asking you to. We're asking you to understand that others will make a different decision and to respect it.

[@Ray4938]

@@j.c.2240 i never said i wouldnt respect it i just stated my own choice.

[@happystoryfamily4830]

We are STILL on this?! Do pro lifers not realize RvW was overturned? You "Won" quit bothering people ☠️ Love the video.

[@audreydoyle5268]

They just want to stay basking in the "win" against autonomy

[@Alli-gj5ob]

I cannot believe that you are so uneducated. Just because RVW got overturned does not mean there are no abortions happening. In fact it is actually up to state government whether or not to stop abortions or not.

[@Tiny_Koi]

RvW being overturned actually caused more people to get abortions because people were more proactive in getting one. Its also caused people to simply move to states they can have an abortion.

[@happystoryfamily4830]

@@Tiny_Koi wow who could have seen that coming. Well i mean i guess we should have focused on actually fixing the system while we had our governments attention. Welp, maybe next tragicedy.

[@Tiny_Koi]

@@happystoryfamily4830 lol I know right. Pretty much everything that pro choice activists said would happen did.... oof

[@ruthperez7985]

Anyone who says abortion is murder are so uneducated like why are you Karen telling other people what to do with their body of choice like abortion is not an easy decision like the way you make it out to be it's hard but sometimes some people need the abortion care they need . That girl who said who said men have urterus is laughable like honey I'm pretty sure they are talking about trans man and women and non binary people who have them like it's not hard to understand.

[@iamobsessedwithshadowsight]

Not to mention, some people literally will not be able to give birth without dying themselves, so I believe pro-life encourages murder more so than abortion. A fetus isn’t conscious, a pregnant person is.

[@orsolyafekete7485]

The funniest part of the "people without uteruses make decisions about abortion" one, is that I'm pretty sure she could have easily found a tiktok that more or less said basically the same thing, but actually used the word "man". She just... didn't

[@ezekielrayfield1512]

saying someone a karen simply because they don't want babies to die really. also because I'm so uneducated please tell me how and why abortion is not in fact murder. If they have uterus their not a man but a woman pretending to be a man

[@Angela1111122222]

I would 100% die If I got pregnant with how weak my body is. I have millions of medical conditions and none of them make me able to carry a baby safely. Should I just stop having sex because of that? There's a higher chance I'm gonna get hit by a car than get pregnant. But I suppose after I got hit by a car people would actually care. People in my country are dying on regular basis because of lack of access to abortion. And I'm someone who wants to be a parent and I hope I will, without pregnancy for sure tho

[@missfortune8553]

Idk, for me the decision would be easy. The worst part would be the anxiety and pain from the procedure/pill. Fetus deleteus.

[@valentinatascon2602]

I have a serious fear of guns as someone living in the US. Every time I go out anywhere, such as my job, or even grocery shopping, I always have the thought of someone coming in w a gun in the back of my mind and I’m constantly on edge bc of it and it’s caused me to have panic attacks and it really sucks. Not to mention I also have a little brother that’s still in high school and everyday that he goes to school I pray to every God that nothing will happen. I fr hate it here. Abortions on the other hand harm absolutely no one externally. Pro lifers are ridiculous.

[@bimbofever]

I don't know how people don't understand just having tampons in your purse. I hate using tampons and can't use smaller pads and I would buy a few to keep in my bag incase someone else needed it. It's always been such a thing to give one to a coworker or stranger who might need one? These girls have always ONLY cared about themselves and you can really tell when that doesn't make sense.

[@FIRXFLY]

Thank You Cat!! And do these people not understand how much a pregnancy affects the pregnant person? It can very much harm the person in so many ways if they're forced to take it to term. Even if they are not forced to take it to term a pregnancy completely changes the pregnant person's body and mind.

[@Alli-gj5ob]

So you're saying carrying a pregnancy to full term is more harmful that murder?

[@jahoytodiesforahoy4615]

​@Alli murder? lol are you referring to abortion? buddy if that was considered murder then 30-45% of women would have a criminal record just for their miscarriages that would be considered involuntary manslaughter using your logic. thankfully most people understand that a clump of cells has a mental state on the same level as plants, so things like miscarriages and abortions are reasonably not considered murder by the majority of the people and nation. (otherwise murder charges would be given to any gardeners, hunters, or farmers as well since all of their products would meet that base line of sentience and intelligence) addressing the original question: yes, records show that forcibly carrying unwanted pregnancies to term generally hurts everyone involved more than abortions do.

[@sophieasha9069]

@@Alli-gj5ob No, it's more those who go through pregnancy will go through massive changes, physically and mentally, and sometimes it can be fatal when not treated properly (keep in mind you will bleed a lot after birth and it could make you haemorrhage or even put you into sepsis, or even going into eclampsia will make you go through seizures)

[@Alli-gj5ob]

@@sophieasha9069 That justifies killing your baby? In the majority of pregnancies that does not happen.

[@justbinji7718]

Finally, I found a comment thanking Cat lol.

[@shiftyshade7979]

If someone were to shoot someone and not tell anyone, someone would be affected because they knew them. If someone were to have an abortion and not tell anyone, no one would be affected but the person because they knew about it.

[@Alli-gj5ob]

The baby inside the mother would be affected. Did the other person in the abortion completely not cross your mind? Not only is the mother murdering her baby, she is also killing our future generation. So, yes, it does affect me and everyone else on this planet.

[@shiftyshade7979]

@@Alli-gj5ob The baby hasn't even been developed yet but all of a sudden it's another person? So what you're saying is that SOMEONE ELSE'S abortion affects you personally? If no one but the mother knew about the abortion, nobody would be affected but the mother. Once there's some scientific evidence of a literal fetus suddenly becoming a person and not some bible quote, talk to me.

[@Alli-gj5ob]

@@shiftyshade7979 The 'clump of cells' argument is a dehumanizing term used by pro-abortion men and woman to justify their killing. I am advocating for the voice that has no say in the abortion- the baby. Also their is scientific evidence to prove that this is a person. Biology tells us that this baby is rapidly growing, moving, has a heart beat, brain waves and fits the definition of a living organism. And what do you mean by bible quote? I am focusing on biology and science.

[@shiftyshade7979]

@@Alli-gj5ob You'd be willing to fight for something that you have no connection to whatsoever that is in someone else for what reason?

[@Alli-gj5ob]

@@shiftyshade7979 To save a human life from murder. Is that not a good enough reason??

[@Nick-dx2pt]

I hope everyone recovers from their migraines

[@audreydoyle5268]

Not as bad, but I've got alternating sciatica

[@galaxychill9578]

don't forget to drink water besties! also get a snack or something if you've forgotten to

[@professorfoxtrot]

Trans activists will never not have a headache. They will always create their own problems to solve!

[@pissapocalypse]

My migraine is so bad that I have no thoughts anymore lol

[@p1ercetheve1l]

i love ur little quokka plushies btw!! and the girl comparing guns to abortion is so weird to me because guns cause harm regardless of the situation, abortions do not

[@_goopho]

"my culture is not your costume" it's an hygene product and not even the only one you could use 💀💀💀

[@Themanthemythagod]

14:28 prolifers when they realize periods are wasting potential for human life: 😨

[@moonlighthowling666]

"the right to life trumps bodily autonomy." Except there is no right to life at the expense of another. You have no right to life if that life is dependent on another person's body. Its not a matter of hierarchy, its a matter of rights conflicting with one another. "Its considered a failed abortion if the life isn't taken in the procedure." Source? incomplete abortions refer to miscarriages where products of conception have not been expelled properly. The life of the fetus in not considered in this process because the pregnant person's life is the one actually at stake because they will die of sepsis if the fetus is not removed properly. So sure, its not considered a successful abortion if the fetus doesn't die, because the doctor's actually care about the life of the pregnant person. *referring to buying tampons* "My culture is not your costume" since when is buying tampons a culture???

[@emmao6578]

Exactly, the gov can't even force you to give blood if it'll save someones life and if they were legally able to do so these people would be the first to complain about it interfering with their bodily autonomy!!

[@pissapocalypse]

Anything can be a culture if you make shit up lol

[@lidocainelizz]

The average person who gets an abortion feels the weight of that choice forever. It is hard and heavy choice to make. We do not need people telling us we are evil or “ending a life” making it even harder.

[@biancasadventure]

I have two things to say. I’m for guns, i have a gun. But when there are ppl who say “how does me having a gun effect you” makes me want to slam my head against a wall. Responsible gun owners do not think like this. Secondly, I’m pregnant and it fucking sucks ass. I’m grateful that my body was able to carry a baby bc i was told I wouldn’t be able to have kids naturally. *However* no one could have prepared me for this. It’s effected my whole way of being, how I see myself, like everything and it’s been so hard. So if someone wants to have an abortion then they should be able to do so bc being pregnant is not easy and raising a kid is not easy.

[@Froggy_Spadez]

This is why I always say if you are "pro-life" you better not be killing any spiders or bugs when you find them in your house 👀👀👀

[@Euro.Patriot]

Prolife refers to human babies, not other animals.

[@Froggy_Spadez]

@@Euro.Patriot yes I know, but my point is that a fetus is no more (if not actually less) sentient or aware than a bug, so if you are "pro-life" the logic is that that should extend to bugs as well

[@hollis7935]

One of my religious loved ones told me “GOD made trans people for the same reason grapes occur naturally, but wine doesn’t; so that we as humans may also participate in the joyous act of creation”

[@JOhnJohnson-xg6sq]

Love that. I want to get a wine/grape tattoo now.

[@gumdroppedxox507]

They don’t even care about the kids once they’re born anyway

[@crazcatladeestudios9956]

Always happy to see Kiwi upload, it's nice to have a voice of reason to combat the insanity of the internet. Plus, she's very stylish and pretty :)

[@katiebarnett3313]

8:52 funny thing is tho, when Dylan Mulvany bought tampons SPECIFICALLY for other women to use if/when they need to and everyone still had a huge issue with that. I don't think their problem is the fact there's a tampon shortage, they're just transphobic and trying to find any reason to hate on trans women without ACTUALLY saying it but we all know what they're getting at

[@kami0njnegjfkd]

Another thing I wanna point out is that guns make it easy for *anyone* to kill. To physically harm someone without a gun, using basically literally any other weapon, you have to have the physical strength to do so, and it can very quickly be near impossible to do just because your body can't keep up with the exertion. That goes hand in hand with the difficulty of being that close to another person dying, especially if you have the direct ability to stop it.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

I mean. Its easy to take a sharp object and harm someone. Spears are popular for that reason! But ending someone? Up close? Yea a lot of us will not be able to do it. Even surgeons struggle with cutting into people, even if its to save the person.

[@Eibarwoman]

Either that or the knowledge to do so. As in people have been poisoned before. But then if you don't know what is poisonous and how much is needed, then nobody dies.

[@LakinMae5]

Not to mention how many people accidentally get killed because a none secure gun went off.

[@CarlCoppinger]

Yup.

[@bibblethealmighty]

They'll get so mad about a woman aborting a clump of cells that looks like a red sour patch kid and marinara. Like if you showed them it without telling them they'd be like: "EW! Gross! What is that!?" not, "Oh! That's a child!"

[@Euro.Patriot]

Murdering children is wrong, not hard to understand.

[@bibblethealmighty]

@@Euro.Patriot IT'S BASICALLY MARINARA. IF I SHOWED YOU IT, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT'S A CHILD. LET WOMEN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THOSE FETUSES, WHY YOU SO UPSET WHEN THEY GET YEETED? YOU GONNA BE UPSET WHEN THEY DIE LATER? NO? THOUGHT SO. IF IT ISN'T BORN, I DON'T CARE ABOUT IT. YEET THEM ALL.

[@teamo8474]

You are literally a clump of cells

[@GrammarIy]

“mY cUlTuRe” she fr thinks being cis is a culture 😭😭😭

[@patchyworx]

I will never understand how how a fully functional, living, breathing, member of society, is less important than a parasitic flesh gummy bear

[@JOhnJohnson-xg6sq]

Lmao, I’m going to use that gummy bear description from now on

[@overlordfemto7523]

All babies are significantly more important than you.

[@overlordfemto7523]

@@JOhnJohnson-xg6sq you are a parasitic flesh gummy bear bud.

[@milky_nyan]

one thing to say to prolifers, do you remember when you were in the womb? do you remember being a fetus? if you can't, you weren't sentient. you didn't think anything, you didn't feel anything. if my mom got an abortion during her time before me, i wouldn't have known since i wasn't sentient.

[@Pa5an1]

I actually saw the woman who bought tampons in someone else’s commentary video. In that other video she said she was in a public restroom and could give a tampon to another woman who needed one. She said she’ll always carry tampons now in case any other woman ever needs one. So yeah, that’s what she does with them. Obviously very horrible and creepy, right? /irony

[@snoopyfinn]

the best way to get through to a pro-life person is to meet them at their level in the sense that they believe life begins at conception. i say to pro-lifers that i believe birth is sacred, and if they agree, why do they believe pregnancies should be forced by the government? childbirth IS sacred, and it should only occur when someone is ready to care for said child or willing to put them into the foster care system. pregnancy should NEVER be forced, in my opinion this is the best way to win over pro-lifers

[@matiasolazabal87]

I agree with you but comparing embryos with plants is completely inaccurate. Like, it is even disrespectful to plants given how they can fend for themselves, communicate with each other and, heck, they can literally make food out of thin air and a human enbryo of less than 14 weeks could never do that

[@audreydoyle5268]

Yes, more comparable to a fertilised chicken egg you accidentally cracked open cause it came from a carton

[@-castus-]

@@audreydoyle5268 BAHAHAHAHA

[@KangarooBun]

Since this comment section is far more civil than Instagram. “Adoption and foster care exists” - I have heard so many stories from people that were in foster care and the system, and most have said it’s pretty ducked up. Isn’t it more fair to get rid of that life before it can suffer in the actual world knowing it wasn’t wanted by its parent, and potentially being abused? And if adoption / foster care isn’t an option, do you want a parent to raise a child in an environment that isn’t ideal / in an environment where they may be abused or neglected by a parent that never wanted them? “I think women should only be able to get an abortion if [insert reason that only includes being violated]” - My opinion is regardless of the reason, a person that doesn’t want a baby inside of them should not have to carry it to full term. Even if it wasn’t due to being assaulted, nobody should ever be forced to give birth. Heck, even if it’s just convenient to abort a baby, why should we dictate what somebody can and can’t do with their body? “Just don’t make a baby” / “Use protection” - Not everybody gets to choose if they want a baby, and not all protection / contraception works. Even if schools do more to teach about safe seggs, safety precautions can still fail and lead to an unplanned pregnancy. Also, it pisses me off that banning abortions won’t get rid of them, people will just resort to more dangerous methods (and possibly killing both the fetus and parent). And literally just… don’t get an abortion if you don’t want one?

[@venusgin7779]

The “we like masculinity” thing has always been weird to me. I am afab and I grew up in what was essentially a matriarchy (I lived with my grandma and mother and My great grandmother lived 10 minutes from us; men were rarely if ever present in our lives). I was toxically masculine. My mother was overly emotional and would often get hurt from it (especially since my grandmother used guilt tripping and emotional manipulation to get her way) and from a young age I had to be “strong” and manage her feelings before my own which lead to me suppressing my own feelings to be able to manage hers. Due to this the only “emotions” I could feel were instinctual ones: so panic and anger. But because I wasn’t dealing with my emotions and instead was bottling them up, the times I would experience anger or panic would be much much stronger and more uncontrollable. Had white flashes of pure rage and it almost got people hurt a few times. It wasn’t until I learned to deal with my emotions, to let myself just react to stuff and learned to talk things out, to tell people what’s bothering me or if I could deal with their emotions that I no longer had anger issues. I am still dealing with this, I am still trying to better myself. I want to be kind and not mean, I want to be loving and caring, to myself and others.

[@alexandersweetboyo4242]

The tampon one triggered me so much omg I was immediately like "UM SHE'S GONNA HAVE THEM FOR FRIENDS N STUFF, NO!? SHE'S NOT GONNA THROW THEM AWAY!!" its so dumb- (I'm a trans guy, I use tampons, I am a forgetful ass person, I would so appreciate anyone having them on hand-)

[@nooneinparticular469]

It’s also an anti-clock thing.

[@BerserksEclipse]

What’s interesting is on the surface both of my parents seem pretty conservative. I’ve asked them about their thoughts on trans people and both of my parents are like “who cares - let them live how they want! Jesus made them that way and they can express however they want to.” My parents said the same about me when I started dressing goth. People can present however the want.

[@Autumn4779]

Your parents are cool 😎

[@BerserksEclipse]

@@Autumn4779 they’re one of those “fiscally conservative but socially liberal” people. They’re a little confused….but they’ve got the spirit! Thankfully they try to apply the actual teachings of Jesus which is to protect the oppressed. They’re pretty alright to me!

[@Autumn4779]

@@BerserksEclipse That's great 👍

[@justanotherleftie]

"why are you buying tampons to throw them away?" bitch, she's buying them FOR those who cannot afford them. I'd give anything to live in a world where I could ask anyone for a spare tampon and be able to provide them the same. It's hard to be prepared all the time for that.

[@DayDreamingWriters]

Also about the girl from 9:04 Girlie, since when having and using tampons became your culture? Tampons are medical help like band Aid, not "Culture". What would actual culture is when you share tradition and connected with culture will be making flower crown with Candle and Let them go on the river for Kupala Night on the end of June or Begining of July(I have respect for you, if you know this tradition) . This one is a culture. Not having a Medical Aid like tampons.

[@kitvpalti]

When abortions were banned in Poland there was a case when a woman died as she couldn't give birth and the doctor just had watch her suffer. What's more upsetting, Christianity doesn't prohibit abortions if there is a medical condition for it.

[@Madame_Enyo]

I know I'm late but about the gun thing- I once got a ad saying " the liberals are trying to take away our guns! Blah blah blah" on a video where someone was painting a portrait of their friend who died in a school shooting. So make of that what you will.

[@overlordfemto7523]

You objectively are trying to take peoples right to self defense away

[@courtneyisaseagull]

I love your videos! Thanks for everything you do, Savannah. 💕

[@jahnaviraman5411]

it's genuinely so insane to me that people think that ending a pregnancy (by removing a fetus with NO sentience who CANNOT survive without directly relying on the mother) is murder. like they really think it's the same as ending sentient lives???

[@Hitchcock00Starlet]

Also, god made wheat but not bread, grapes but not wine. Not every creation is complete right out of the oven.

[@sisuguillam5109]

Exactly. Oh, and god did not make wheat. Humans did that. They took a grass and over time and through experiments ended up with weath. Or sheep! There are no sheep in the wild. Sheep exist because humans selectivly bred mufflon, which is a goat.

[@Hitchcock00Starlet]

@@sisuguillam5109 it's an expression, but I appreciate the additional information

[@morganwilliams5591]

The toxic masculinity thing drives me up the wall. Toxic is an adjective. Masculinity is a noun. If I start talking about the "red car," am I saying that every car in the world is red? Of fucking course not, I'm talking about this specific car, which is defined by being red. The fact that so many conservatives will seemingly go out of their way to interpret the phrase "toxic masculinity" in a COMPLETELY different manner than you'd normally interpret an adjective-noun pair in the English language makes me think it's often a deliberate "misunderstanding" done in bad faith to dismiss people's concerns about very real issues with certain men using masculinity to be toxic assholes.

[@Hinata8778]

"Oh wow, you're a woman now that you got your period. Now you can get pregnant, how cool!" - people (even my classmates who knew nothing yet) to me when I got my period in third grade, and I believed them. In third grade.