Pro Tour Kaladesh Round 16 (Standard): Tyler Hill vs. Carlos Romao (Plus Top 8 Announcement)

[@jeanmarais337]

LSV is doing a super job. And complements Marshal and Ms Sparks very well. Good investmet Wizards.

[@QuestdaVez]

The Champ is Back! Go get them, Jabba! Carlos Romão is the inspiration to a generation of players here in my city! Was because of him that I entered the competitive circuit, I had to get off because of the college but now I'm comming back and see Jabba on top again is awesome! :D One day I hope to meet him in a competition!

[@felipem.9998]

VAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Carlos Ramão !!!!!! JABBA the champ is back porra. AEE CARLOS!!

[@pedrohelias4689]

O CAMPEÃO VOLTOOOOU!!! VAI JABA!

[@pedro16101997]

OOOOOOOO O CAMPEÃO VOLTOU, O CAMPEÃO VOLTOU, O CAMPEÃO VOLTOU OOOOOOOOOOO

[@aegisofhonor]

There was a famous PTQ Extended back in 1999 where a player won the game using a lifelace to change his white perminant green preventing his opponent from using Anarchy to take out that permanent to force a deciding game 3 just to lose the next game because he drew a 4th card off a Brainstorm (from what he later said was because of a lack of sleep).

[@Cthulhu3C]

Wow, clean cut at 12-3-1, huge pro tour attendance.

[@canman87]

Is Tyler playing a single Summer Magic Swamp? It's kinda hard to tell from this far away, but that's what it looks like to me. Sweet $450 basic, haha.

[@xtehmoonlight7400]

at 9:16 Carlos Romao look at top 4 after casting anticipate, the judge rule it as violation and Carlos has to reveal all four cards for Tyler to see and choose one to be shuffled in deck and Carlos has to anticipate with three that left behind...I'm not a magic judge but I do think this is a bit unfair towards Carlos, kind of reminds me of pro tour magic origins quarterfinal between Paul Jackson and Stephen Berrios where Paul carelessly reveal his top card even though his courser has died in combat, the judge at that time rule that is a violation when looking at extra card and Paul Jackson received one violation and required to shuffle his library...what I mean is, I feel this judges ruling is a bit unfair since it gives advantages to Tyler, why don't they just give violation to Carlos and shuffle his library and anticipate again

[@jaredvargas5785]

It does give an advantage to the opponent. Just the way looking at 4 cards with an Anticipate gives an advantage to Carlos. If you don't want that to happen, don't make game rules violations.

[@broadwayat]

because he is the player that made the mistake and needs to have a violation. if there were only warnings, there would be lots of gaming and cheating and we would have what is known as 90s magic

[@xtehmoonlight7400]

I understand he makes a mistake for looking top four cards, but to compensate it...it was much better if he was asked shuffle his library in order to eliminate the advantage he got from looking top four cards and received one warning, I don't know but I feel its a bit unfair though

[@broadwayat]

xTehMoonlight there are ways yo cheat if u let that happen

[@benjaminlurie3940]

That's the established fixed for a Hidden Card Error, which is the infraction Carlos committed. This fix is so much better than the Game Loss that used to be associated with that sort of error. To answer your question of why the judge didn't just shuffle the library is that they don't want to give the opportunity for a player to say look at 3 lands and "accidentally" grab a 4th card in order to get the opportunity to look at a new set of cards.

[@De4dPoo1]

Im kind of new so i dont know all cards. It would be really good if they showed all cards. I stoped at 20:25 its kind of hard to understand what is going on.

[@gabrielthompson1072]

Yeah, samer here. The last two days I've had to stop the stream and google the cards they mention.

[@owendonnelly9665]

At 37:25 did Carlos miss tapping a red for activating Wandering Fumarole?

[@subtleknife1]

Inspiring vantage

[@tomluna1201]

why is magic duels not available for Android?

[@nuubin3232]

how do you get on the pro tour and not know what the cards say??

[@ItsCayboo]

Kyle Anderson probably just checking the wording on the card

[@justinkp]

Kyle Anderson They know what the cards say - but once you are playing at that high level you realize it's better to look at the card to make ABSOLUTELY sure you know how it works rather than screw something up. As LSV (I think) said during coverage there's no penalty for reading a card but there's a huge penalty for making a misplay because you assumed incorrectly how a card worked.

[@Nanofuture87]

Do well at a GP that's a different format. As others have said, it's always better to double check. Misplays at Professional REL can punish you pretty brutally.

[@jmleongmusic]

9:25 LSV wins at life!!

[@B0sser]

Where can I find the decklists?

[@Jeize]

at www.mtggoldfish.com

[@B0sser]

I can only find the top 8 list there tho,

[@jaredvargas5785]

Wizards usually posts top 64 decklists after the PT. Look for them on the mothership. Or contact a specific player through social media if you want their exact list.

[@finn3588]

is top 8 today?

[@corbinisms8846]

Yup, top 8 starts at 3pm EST

[@kevinwu5169]

1:28 game begins.

[@dominic123102]

So how the hell does this new top 8 work?

[@jaredvargas5785]

8 players with the best records go to top 8. Best of 5, with the first 2 games being non-sideboarded.

[@johntheabbott]

1st and 2nd seed get 2 byes, 3rd and 4th seed get 1 bye

[@signisakanades1329]

The new structure is that the players in seeds 5-8 all play each other (5-8, 6-7). Then the winners of those matches face seeds 3,4 and the winners of those matches face seeds 1 and 2, and then the winner of those two sets face each other. It means that your rank matters more overall than it used to.

[@miniroo612]

I hate how Tyler plays. It seems like his mind is so scrambled and he doesn't have any organization or knows what to do!! :(

[@fatetreat]

He's so sloppy. When he makes a mistake you can't tell if he is cheating or just an idiot.

[@Jeize]

WHERE IS REID DUKE :(((

[@zachb.637]

Joey Manner looks like a tiny Brad Nelson

[@rowan1036]

did lsv not do so well?

[@jayd5541]

Rowan Kaplan LSV sat this PT out to do commentary

[@johnmackay426]

he did not participate.

[@AAGEnzee]

LSV has 'retired' from competitive MTG for the near future, the last Pro Tour he made an announcement that it was his last for the foreseeable future, but that he'd be doing coverage each time instead.

[@rowan1036]

Nolan Zinke-Warrack Probably got tired of beating everyone

[@aidandurrant3513]

He'll be back for PT Ixalan.

[@brningpyre]

Re: the dude on the side of the table at 42:12. Don't do that, man. Don't look at a player's hand and then smile. During friendlies or whatever, sure. It's fun. But not during R16 of the Pro Tour, ffs.

[@SheepDoggyDog]

Feel free to call him out: twitter.com/Chosler88

[@Matt77093]

Tyler plays like he recently had a hand transplant and is uncomfortable holding magic cards.

[@Lightmane]

With few exceptions, your top 8 consists of overweight men who don't know how to dress. And now you know why women don't play magic.