Problematic Hadith about Science | Part 14 | Dr. Shabir Ally

[@timeisfleeting2452]

A sensible approach to the study of hadiths grounded in reason and scientific insight. The sheikh never disappoints. Dr Safiyyah's questions are as probing as ever. You're among my two favourite Muslim thinkers.

[@musarratchowdhury3578]

1st comment. Thank u always to the whole team for enlightening us

[@stefanhenneken5415]

Here in Finland we have a saying "Täällä on helvetin kylmä" which is literally in English "It's cold as hell here". But we also use Hot as hell aswell.

[@user-k229]

Excellent appraisal, once again. Dear Dr's, Once Muslims abandoned the Quran and started putting much more attention to hadith, that is when the Ummah went into rapid decline. The Golden Age of Islam that produced 100s of Muslim and Muslimah scholars/ Scientists/ Inventors/ Explorers and Engineers was a time that the majority of Muslims today can only marvel at! Sadly Muslims are content to pray, to fast, to do Hajj BUT we have forgotten our past. The Quran has over 600 verses on a diverse range of Scientific topics. Yet it is not a Book of Science. SUBHAAN ALLAH. When verses appear to contradict Science, then we must assume that our Science is wrong, OR that the verse is Muttashabiat/ Allegorical, such as the Sun setting in a muddy spring. It is very, very,very sad, that Nobel prize winners tend to be Jewish! A very small nation, however, they produce the world's Nobel Prize winners and a load of Scientific literature. Where are the present day Al-Khwaizmi, Ibn Haitim, Ibn Sinna, Al-Razi , Ibn Rushd, Al-Batani. Ibn Battuta, Omar khayyam, Al-Farabi.... the list goes on and on and on!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@sparephone8228]

I saw the optical illusion of the Sun setting into water, when I lived in Malawi. Shocking anyone would take the verse literally, when the whole story of Dhull kurnayn is allegorical, meant to bring out a few ethical truths and not any scientific explanation.

[@user-k229]

@@sparephone8228 Agreed. A lot of the Quran is allegorical/ Symbolic as evidenced in Surah Al-Imran 3: 5-7. Yet, even though the Quran states this fact, many scholars still take allegorical verses as factual!! ouch!

[@hassanabdur-rahman1559]

Dr Shabir never answers a question directly. He is still trying to hold on to fabricated hadiths.

[@charlesmuhmanson3928]

@@sparephone8228 Does that apply to the wall and yajuge and majuge as well? Are they going to break through at the end times?

[@sparephone8228]

@@charlesmuhmanson3928 I believe all are allegorical stories, more about end of times when the world will see a total social order breakdown.

[@YoqDzewa]

All Praise to Allah, Creator of the Heavens, Earth, and all Between. I am so happy to go back to proudly living a logos oriented life as a Muslim by following the Quran. Quran-centric spirituality saved me from dwelling on isolated cases of hadiths that incur torment on this earth. I am so happy to believe! :)

[@ShadowOfSheikh]

Where did you find logos in the Qur'an😂😂😂😂

[@amandalehtinen3381]

Alhamdulillah

[@chahinebourenane6291]

He is pretty honest, I respect that of him.

[@KenanTurkiye]

Praise be to the Creator and Owner of all, including all sciences and reasoning, Praise be to the Creator and Owner of all, for allowing us to understand what we understand and not make us of those who are riddled with confusion and are kept in the dark. Endless Praises to Allah.

[@I-AM-Yousuf]

MashAllah JazakAllah

[@moucheali3911]

Is it necessary for a person of GOD to read and study Hadith knowing that amongst the 7 thousand hadiths there are Absolutely DEGRADING bukari hadith within his book Why GO CLoSE to That BOOK which degrades the prophet How do we even know the ones that DONT degrade him are TRUTH Nevertheless of the message Isnt the message of the Quran Sufficient Why do you need RITUAL worship ALL GOODNESS is WORSHIP Please help the MUSLIMS You have some Intelligence

[@coffeedrinker1038]

Natural causes for things don't contradict other-wordly causes for things. Allah creates everything in our realm such that it can be explained naturally.

[@Simarodra]

Thank you, Dr. Shabir. My children always ask me about such hadith, apparently the scientist in them rebel 😅.

[@thetruthwithproof8802]

🕋 MUSLIM - Jesus did not even once say l am God, despite this being the most important thing mankind needed to know for salvation ✝ CHRISTIAN - can you show me one verse where Jesus said l am not God ? 🕋 MUSLIM - This does not prove Jesus is God, that's like saying Jesus is superman because you can't show me a verse in which Jesus denied being superman

[@Simarodra]

​@@thetruthwithproof8802get firewoods

[@BIGAMBERFAN]

@@thetruthwithproof8802 i don't think i've ever said in my life "i am not god" so by this logic i guess i must be god!

[@Adnan_Khan__111]

Did Jesus died?​@@thetruthwithproof8802

[@balvekra]

May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon Prophet Muhammed

[@candicecole19]

“And be good ˹to others˺ as Allah has been good to you.” (Al Qasas - 28:77) 🤍 ”Don’t order others to do good while forgetting it yourself.” (Al Baqara - 2:44) 🤍

[@humayungul2120]

The Hadith about cold and hot seems to have been conflated. I would imagine that some part of the hell would be extremely cold as well.

[@shassarahaman5247]

What then is the fault of one who cannot accept the reconciled interpretation without being or feeling that he's being dishonest, as in Zulkarnain's perspective in the example you gave.

[@hassanabdur-rahman1559]

All hadiths were fabricated.

[@ScientificMind71]

How can you reconcile Islamic mythology with scince leaving aside the mythologies of other religions?

[@ShadowOfSheikh]

7:54 Dr. Safiya "Of course the prophet Muhammad pbuh could be relying on the science of the day" In the context of hell and heaven that's not possible to get that knowledge from science. When the Messenger pbuh speaks about the ilm al-ghayb or the unknown that's inspiration not out of his own volition. This is such a basic concept in Islamic studies It's embarrassing that two doctors don't know this. I swear it's almost like you two are either ignorant or really think the prophet Muhammad pbuh was a false prophet A'uthubillah. I'm sure Christians/Atheists are watching your videos taking notes to cast doubts on Islam with your content. You're entire series is to doubt Islam. Putting human knowledge above the revelation of God is kufr.

[@reason8798]

How do you reconcile with “Quran is the book for all times” and changes with science

[@EBMNAM]

I would like to visit Dr Shabir Ali one day inshallah

[@AbdallaKab]

Assalamu alaykum Dr. Ally. The hadith about the Sun goes to make sajdah under the Throne of Allah is not problematic at all in my view. First we need to understand what is the throne of Allah and what how the Sun prostrates to it. In Quran Allah says the Sun and Moon prostrates. The moon orbits the Earth, therefore it prostrates to the Earth. The Sun orbits the black hole in the middle of the galaxy, therefore it prostrates to that black hole. Since the Sun goes down every second on part of the Earth, then it is always prostrating to the black hole in the center of the galaxy. The movement of the Sun is directly related to the black hole and influenced by it. Therefore, the black hole could be connected to the throne of Allah in a way that we do not understand. But this explanation of the Hadith proves complete understanding of the prophet of the cosmos and how he choses a certain way to say it so people of the time will not object to it. Dr. Shabir, would you comment please on this idea? Thank you.

[@AbdallaKab]

How do you know that it is a nonsense. Maybe you are trying your best to discredit the Hadith. You do not have what it takes to understand the Hadith.@@8647-ux6yx

[@AbdallaKab]

I might have made a mistake by saying the moon prostrate to the Earth. Since the Quran mentioned that the Najm and the Shajar (trees) prostrates. Sorry for this mistake. Who told you that the Throne is part of the unseen? We do not know exactly what is inside of black hole, this is part of the unseen as well. All of our knowledge is theory at this point. Remember you prostrate towards qabah, as this is your kublah. This does not mean that you worship kabah. The Sun prostrates toward the black hole as this is it's qublah. We muslims need to be open minded and try to find the real meanings of what Allah left for us of those scientific verses and Hadiths. Those has been left for us for a reason. Discovering the true meanings of it will put us on a tremendous level.@@hm4084

[@AbdallaKab]

Do you prostrate to Kaabah or to Allah? We prostrate towards Kaabah because Allah ordered us to do so. We make tawaf around Kaabah as well. Similarly the Sun orbits the blackhole Sagittarius A that is located in the middle of the Milky way Galaxy, I'm assuming that the hadith told us that it prostrates towards it in a way that we do not understand but Allah accepts it from it. It follows the Black hole's influence on it by staying in this orbit for billions of years. I made an assumption that the black hole in the subject is under Allah's throne, and if this assumption explains the hadith, then this assumption can be valid and you cannot simply reject it unless you can prove it not fitting by a hadith or Quran. @@hm4084

[@AbdallaKab]

Not sure I'm following you on this one. I presented an explanation for the Hadith that does not contradict the Quran and Sunnah. You rejected it without any real reason. You presented opinion. I can accept it as your opinion, but you have no definite answer. You have a) not presented a plausible reference. I do not have to. This is an opinion that explains a problematic Hadith and makes it clear. I'm surprised that you are rejecting it out right. Until you get me a better explanation, then I will drop this one. b) not identified the black hole. I did that 5 times already. I'm not sure you are reading. c) not supported your presumption that the circular motion is synonymous with prostration. I said circular motion and then prostration, similar to the people's tawaf and prayers at Kaabah. I said we don't understand the prostration of the Sun, but that is only a hint to us. Mind you that we make tawaf in the same direction as the Sun circles the galaxy. d) There is not even sufficient science to explain what black-holes are away from religion and faith. Agreed, but what this has to do with anything? No one in their right mind can give such a postulation any credibility until plausible evidence can be presented. Then you give me different explanation to this hadith. You have none. In 10 years I might see you repeating my explanations to people. Thank you for the conversation. @@hm4084

[@bigboyshit1]

A flat conception of the Earth is the only sort that permits the setting and rising places of the sun to be visited

[@ex-muslimtestimonies001]

Sahih al-Bukhari 5686 Narrated Anas: The climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet (ﷺ) ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet (ﷺ) he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron.

[@Capybased]

☪amel urine

[@hassanabdur-rahman1559]

​@@juniorslice9618that is a fabricated hadith. The prophet never committed such cruel acts. It's sad that you hadithists will dishonor the prophet in order to save Bukhari and your socalled scholars.

[@Halal_Dan]

​​@@hassanabdur-rahman1559The hadith is Sahih, they burned that shepherd and gouged his eyes out, so the same was done to them, it was justice. I bet you didn't even know they did that right? But you were so quick to throw authentic narrations under the bus because of your ignorance, fear Allah.

[@thetruth27786]

​@@Halal_DanAllah forbid impure medicine

[@Halal_Dan]

@KotobKotob It was by the command of the Prophet ﷺ, he didn't do it of his own free will

[@hartwo-001]

There is a whole science of hadith which scholars take years to study. If Dr. Shabir wants to cite a particular hadith and compared it to an established scientific fact(not scientific theories) he should cite an authentic hadith and should let the viewers know whether or not it's authentic. May Allah guide us

[@mrnobody7600]

What are you trying to say? That we shouldn't do science?

[@adnanraza6892]

The sun hadith he quote is authentic sun goes down and prostate god while we all know sunn don't go anywhere earth move. Sun is always shining in Us if not then India

[@sciencefollower]

بخاری نے 6 لاکھ ہدیثیں جمع کیں اور اپنی پسند کی 4000 ہدیثیں چن لیں۔ 596000 ہدیثیں چھوڑ دیں۔ حضرت عمر رضی اللہ تعالٰی عنہ نے محمد صل اللہ علیہ والہ وسلم کو پنسل اور کاغذ دینے سے یہ کہہ کر انکار کردیا تھا کہ ہمارے لئے اللہ کی کتاب قرآن ہی کافی ھے۔ ہدیثیں 300 سال کے بعد لکھی گئیں۔ کیا بخاری سے پہلے لوگ نماز نہیں پڑھتے تھے ۔ قرآن نہ ہدیثوں کو جانتا ھے اور نا پہچانتا ھے۔ ابوبکر رضی اللہ تعالٰی عنہ سے لیکر آج تک مسلمانوں کی تاریخ، ان کے اعمال اور ان کی باتیں اسلام کا حصہ نہیں ہیں۔ اسلام وہی ھے جو قرآن میں ھے۔ قرآن کے علاوہ لکھی گئیں تمام کتابیں اور تفسیریں شرک ھے اور بیشک شرک ظلم عظیم ھے۔

[@hassanabdur-rahman1559]

All hadiths were fabricated.

[@Capybased]

Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to 𝗛𝗔𝗟𝗙 of that of a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the 𝗗𝗘𝗙𝗜𝗖𝗜𝗘𝗡𝗖𝗬 of a woman's mind." -Sahih al-Bukhari 2658

[@Halal_Dan]

Do you think they're equal in intelligence?

[@thetruth27786]

​@@hm4084BS women not defecient in the mind

[@hassanabdur-rahman1559]

All hadiths were fabricated.

[@PaleBlueDot2024]

Everything is symbolic 🤔

[@whoisthispleasefathmah8963]

Dr shabill trying to save the Prophet knowledge and keep Muslims Muslims

[@waymilky442]

Still when the prophet talks about hell exhaling their is religion mixed in it not just some random ridiculous thought of the time.

[@hassanabdur-rahman1559]

The prophet never said that nonsense. This is just another of many fabricated hadiths attributed to the prophet.

[@peterhwang352]

But if you can justify everything in the Quran against everything that science seemingly has to counter, what is to stop you from taking the same approach towards the hadith or any other work?

[@waymilky442]

There is nothing in the Quran against acience!

[@peterhwang352]

​@@8647-ux6yx Granted, but if it cannot be trusted on things we can test, how can we trust it in all things?

[@peterhwang352]

​@@waymilky442 Do you believe that Dhul Qarnayn has restricted Yajuj and Majuj with a giant metal wall until the day of judgment?

[@peterhwang352]

​@@hm4084 18:94-106

[@cocoalfaridah5831]

@@hm4084when did he liberated them from prison?

[@isaacmuhihi8712]

We always say the word of God is the manual for human life. It is a guide to all mankind forever, Why would we put God's revelation into context, It means it does not apply fully, all the times. The word of God should be able to speak for itself through the verses and give dependable answers to mankind. Science is also from God, Why is there a big contradiction ???

[@Loveydoveyl]

A book of guidance means that it is able to guide different generations on their issues at the time. You can apply the book anywhere and at anytime and derive a conclusion using reasoning from the book. It doesn’t mean that the book blatantly states and answers every single problem, because 1) we wouldn’t read it and 2) the Quran tells us to think rationally for a reason. Part of being human is not knowing everything that will happen, so the Quran is a base to understand the world around us as it changes and apply it accordingly. That’s my understanding at least

[@bryanbradley6871]

because the qur'an was written in the 7th century and thus has the science of the 7th century. btw the best science of the 15th century wasnt lidget let alone the 7th century

[@hassanabdur-rahman1559]

The host never answers a question directly.

[@shaibaltube]

Maghribusshams means the end place of the Sun... Maghribudduniya means the west of earth! In Dhul Karnayin story it meant the end of an star which had its Duniya! The star was ending into the blackhole. aynani Hamiya means a black marky eye in the cosmos which has two ends! That is also what Dhul Karnayin means! The owner of two horns who has access to everything is he who can use the blackhole as portals! Literally Dhul Karnayin means the owner of bearer of the portal! Someone like Doctor strange! Why dont you take these interpretations under consideration?

[@adnanraza6892]

Like Dr. Strange Marvels vs DC comics

[@AzwarAmir-nk5iu]

Subhanallah.. This Channel should get wider recignition from muslims. So intelect

[@ShadowOfSheikh]

It's got enough recognition as a channel that spreads misguidance. Why would Muslims follow a man who doesn't believe that the Qur'an is perfectly preserved?

[@AzwarAmir-nk5iu]

@@ShadowOfSheikh misguidance or muslims who see this channel as "misguide" are not smart and critical enough?

[@ShadowOfSheikh]

@@AzwarAmir-nk5iu So you agree with shabir the Qur'an isn't perfectly preserved? If so, may Allah guide you back to the straight path.

[@Spillers72]

The Islamic world had a golden age for science and math in the 8th through 10th century.

[@cocoalfaridah5831]

And they killed all The scientists and jailed many and they loose them.. They called them kufar’s atheist who refused to go to mosques by hand around house of debate with Greek Jew Christian persion Hindu.. They killed them all on the basic of kufr! Check it out how they end them.

[@zanfasoabi7628]

Dr. Woke Ally... After saying that gender is a spectrum now he says we need to tackle climate change.

[@takhtar4877]

14 plus counting videos just to discredit the Hadith . You could have done it with one video on being Quranist. Most of the Hadith mentioned where more metaphoric than actual .

[@Natalie-fj7fs]

The story of hell made it’s way into Islam from stories told about an actual place called Gehinnom in Israel. Hell is not a place we go to in the afterlife. It doesn’t exist.

[@prakashraju9304]

Shabbir and the lady asking questions must understand common sense! Why people have to believe 1400 years old books? How can they be valid in 2023? Why you people don't question the basic books itself ? You people punish whoever questions..whereas other religions like Hinduism allows all types debates on god / goddesses and even the books....

[@ex-muslimtestimonies001]

Shabir almost seem to be a Quranist at this point…

[@nickah1]

Nope he’s not at all lol. He’s taking a logical approach to narrations, which is inline with the Maliki & Hanafi schools of thought. Stop spreading nonsense. To be clear, there’s also nothing wrong with being a Quranist either considering no one can truly prove that narration books are absolute truth.

[@nickah1]

Also if you don’t Islam then lease us Muslims alone. We see your profile.

[@hassanabdur-rahman1559]

He is not a Quran only Muslim. He is still trying to hold on to fabricated hadiths.

[@charlesmuhmanson3928]

He just uses circular reasoning to judge what he wants Islam, Allah, Muhammad and the Quran to be.

[@charlesmuhmanson3928]

@jj-yi1ne He's calling them away from following a false prophet.

[@prakashraju9304]

Why do you guys pray so many times ? what happens if you don't pray ? where is jannath ? India landed its system on moon recently.. still you guys believe it?

[@AbdallaKab]

Jannath is where Allah located it, I happen to think it is in a parallel universe. What India landing a probe on the moon has anything to do with the validity of Quran in comparison to Science? Where in Quran Allah said you cannot land a probe on the moon. But Allah said in the Quran, that we cannot leave the boundaries of the 7 skies and the Earth. There are a lot of debate about this boundary. I happen to think that this boundary is within the OORT cloud on the edges of the Solar system. Therefore, when human beings crosses this limit physically and with probes, then talk to me about the validity of Quran. There are a lot of doubts that humans physically crossed the Van Allen radiation belt that surrounds the Earth to begin with. If you want to talk about the Apollo trips, I will say please research it first and I will add no more. Nevertheless, Quran verse that talks about the boundary of the heavens and Earth lump it together as one boundary, therefore, I'm talking about the boundary of the whole solar system together. I think the 7 heavens mentioned in Quran are the Seven planets in the Solar system other than Earth. What a coincidence? Finally, BIG YES, we are believers.

[@prakashraju9304]

@@AbdallaKab ok..if I agree with you that Jannatha is there in outside universe...how will muslims go there when they don't have a rocket to go there ?! moreover your body will be burnt or buried, then how do you go to Jannath without a body and without rocket to go there ?!

[@AbdallaKab]

Rockets cannot reach there. Allah will transport us there, and will transport you to Hell, there too.@@prakashraju9304

[@Black.Seed.]

So much kufr in a few minutes ...

[@Black.Seed.]

@@8647-ux6yx kufr is rejecting the Hadith cuz they go against your whims and desires, next you'll tell everyone to interpret the Qur'an however they please. Muslims follow the Hadith because we were ordered to in the Qur'an, without the Hadith you wouldn't even know how to pray, let me guess, "Muslim", prayer is metaphorical ...

[@ShadowOfSheikh]

Shabir has hours worth of kufr in this channel. I fear the light of Iman has left his heart long time ago.

[@ucman74]

Dr. Shabir Ally why do you continually call ALLAH by the use of the word god the way the unbelievers use it so start using the correct name ALLAH.

[@saeedm3005]

Oh, give me a break. when I first converted to islam, I went every Friday to a masjid in my city that did the entire jumah service in arabic. Let me tell you I did not learn a single thing. Not I one word was in English. This completely arabic kutbah created a lot of frustration among reverts. I eventually left the masjid (not Islam) for a long time until I found a masjid that gave jumah in English. It's important to know your audience. I thought Dr. Shabir answer was fantastic. He always nails it. Chill out brother. The world is waiting for Muslims to exhale a little. Dr. Shabir answers are always straight down the middle. This Imam has a really decent heart.

[@camberbanbury3691]

The fairly glorious Koran is great science book.

[@Citiesblitz]

8:25 is very misleading. The Prophet didn't speak based on his observation and the science of ancient Arabs. Everything he taught or said was revealed to him. Quran 53:2-4 says: Your fellow man is neither misguided nor astray. Nor does he speak of his own whims. It is only a revelation sent down ˹to him˺.

[@ShadowOfSheikh]

How this man can believe that the Messenger of Allah blindly parrots the words of pagans about heaven and hell and still be a Muslim? He's basically saying that the prophet Muhammad pbuh possibly told us fairy tales as facts astaghfurullah.

[@Truth_is_hard283]

This is a highly based interview,they are both being dishonest...