Process to be considered for Special Operations (SEAL, SWCC, and etc)

[@NehemiahBallet]

when he said "yea i just wanna try this thing out" i knew it was over

[@MrYoonKim]

WAYYY OVER

[@chaycecattelain]

Hahahahahahah oh man 😂

[@christopherwalker6056]

Exactly. You can't have the mindset of "I just wanna try it". You have to have your mind %100 made up that you want to be a SEAL so bad that you eat sleep, dream BUDS and SEAL training. You have to have your mind made up that you will become a SEAL no matter what and you'll die before you'll quit. Otherwise, it's just too difficult and too mentally challenging to make it if you're thinking "eh, I'll try it out and see how I like it." -You won't make it a week with that mentality. It is just SO mentally challenging. It's designed that way on purpose, to force people to quit, so that only the few, special people make it.

[@tedslade100]

Jake hell no this kid was not in 300

[@andrewjohnson6422]

2007

[@boatlaboat4481]

I'm on the West Coast and had a chance to train with The Navy SEALs down Coronado beach in San Diego. Pretty unique experience, from what I've heard when they tie your hands behind your back and your feet in the pool, a lot of is mental and will test because the Navy tests patience in extreme situations

[@harlemkiid149]

+Boat la Boat One of many IWP's at Dive School,which by the way all Spec Ops excluding(AiRR) must perform/pass.

[@myownstationofficespa9736]

are you special forces

[@ik5852]

Ah

[@Shakester71]

The people who want to “try” and be SEALs never seem to make it through. There are few that succeed but the people who do make it through have the mindset that they’re going to be a SEAL no matter what and nothing is going to get in there way. Many of these guys nowadays have dreamt and trained to be a SEAL at a very young age. Marcus Luttrell said he started training when he was 14 with his twin brother.

[@liningraccoon41]

david goggins

[@tonydaza8504]

That’s what I heard it’s all a mental game

[@frostbitepokin9520]

“Yea I just wanna try this thing out” That’s a wrap

[@kyleprice5253]

This video is a GREAT example to learn from someone who actually gave it a try. Even though he didn't have right the mentality only few can SAY they did what is barely possible. Sorry you didn't make it but best of luck man you tried

[@antawnweg4135]

Thank you for making this video! I'm not out of high school yet but I started training for the PST back in October. Now I just need to take the next step and talk with my recruiter!

[@harlemkiid149]

+Antawn Weg I got my diver contract this month. If you're a very good/great athlete getting a contract shouldn't be too hard,AiRR is the easiest Spec Ops job to get contracted for.FYI they probably won't give you a contract until you pass the PST 2 or 3 times consecutively. I got my contract after my 2nd consecutive completion of the PST(i never failed the PST). In Water Procedures(IWP) is where most Divers,EOD candidates fail. IWP consist of tying knots underwater,treading water with weights,walking underwater end to end with a weight,ETC. SEALS/SWCC go to San Diego for BUDS Prep. EOD and Divers stay in Great Lakes for Dive Prep and then on to Panama for Dive School. Rescue Swimmers go to Pensacola for Air Candidate School and then stay for Rescue Swimmer School.I would recommend training with a weighted vest for your pull-ups, push-ups, sit-ups. Resistance is good because at Dive Prep they'll throw any and all kinds of resistance your way.

[@brysonjones1491]

Antawn Weg how did you do?

[@b123me]

@Greedo they both most likely made it to their jobs they wanted bc if you become either of them your not gonna be on KZbin much at all

[@b123me]

@Greedo yeah I know they get time off the seal guy probably didn’t make the diver could’ve very well made it

[@b123me]

@Greedo my bad I mistyped the diver is what I meant to say

[@enriquegarcia6756]

So I have always been interested in going into the seals. So can do speak to a recruiter and ask him to take the PST as a civilian or do I already have to have a military background.

[@MrYoonKim]

Talk to your recruiter. He/She will direct you. No, you do not need a military background

[@twb45792]

You just go in to the recruiting office, go to MEPS, you will have to enlist for a normal rate. But before your ship date you will take monthly PSTs, if you get selected then you will sign a new contract for SEAL/EOD/SWCC, which ever special warfare program you were aiming for. Contracts are given based on seats. If 50 contracts are open that month. Then they tale the kids woth the top 50 PST scores.

[@Shakester71]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/foLNYYOPdteXbNE This is a former SEAL that will walk you through step by step on what is needed to become a SEAL.

[@goldo9676]

I feel a burning on the inside to get into the seals for a lot of reasons but mainly future wise. I have a big heart man I’m sure I’m gonna get into it but I’m behind on a lot rn so I just got this job and I’m saving up for a car after I get my license then start training then find a way to get in then start so when I get this job here in a few days when I start working I’ma be dedicated to studying saving money quit smoking pushing my body to it’s highest limit and ima go in with a team mindset bc I enjoy pushing others and leading to success so we gonna see God willing.

[@TheRealChrisBeard]

You seem a little off bro, focus on your education.

[@shabbii296]

Thanks for the video. Been looking for this for a while.

[@MrYoonKim]

you got it man!

[@temujinkhan6659]

I’m a documented immigrant and I want to join in the SEALs team, my question is: Will the military speed up my U.S. naturalization if I join the military so that I am able to qualify for the SEALs team?

[@MrYoonKim]

When I was in boot camp we had 10 people who weren't citizens. Towards the end of boot camp they took the test and became citizens. I can't give you a definite answer, only example from what I saw.

[@mmacho73]

With Trump in office,,,.no. You will have to earn a bronze star first.

[@youtubecommenter37]

Yes but that has changed since Trump took office. He signed an executive order ending the program that accepted green card holders into the military. He even gave the order to deport service members who were illegal aliens/dreamers, which sucks because if they’re serving, they’re obviously trying to make a contribution to America that most American citizens wouldn’t make But go talk to a recruiter anyway. Who knows? Maybe you’ll get a waiver. If you’re fluent in a language like Arabic, they might waive the red tape and get you in But to be a Navy Seal, you MUST be a US Citizen. You won’t be able to get the TS-SCI clearance (which is required) without it

[@BryanGarcia-kb9he]

No you have to be a U.S citizen's

[@erenarmin6403]

Have to be an American citizen for many reasons and one main one is so Immigrants won't join the military and gain there knowledge on combat skills and bring that down to Mexico and train the cartels

[@deathlarsen7502]

All valid points. Who do you want to listen to? Exactly!

[@b123me]

My pst scores are in the top 50 right now and yes I hold myself to a high standard and make myself do good form especially if nobody is watching me do it

[@14lucario]

how you did it, im loking forward to apply for the seals I need help

[@b123me]

@@14lucario sure I’d be happy to help. For the swim use the combat side stroke, if you don’t know how to do it search up stew smith on KZbin he has many videos and trust me you can learn it just from a few days is watching his videos. For the push-ups and pull-ups search up spec-war fitness on KZbin push-up and pull-up mechanics. For sit-ups I recommend just doing a lot more sit-ups and doing a shit ton of flutter kicks. And for the run I’ve always been a good runner but the best tip I could give you on that is to take longer strides as it uses less energy. Also for the run figure out if you run better on an empty stomach or eating a few hours before. Hopefully this helps as I’d love to see you with a seal pin one day. Check in with me once a month so we can see how we’re doing.

[@b123me]

@@14lucario I forgot to tell you the spec war fitness push-up and pull-up videos help because he shows little tiny tricks that make them so much easier

[@MrYoonKim]

Hey Bryce, hope it all works out and you make it through. Would love a follow up comment once you put it on.

[@b123me]

@@MrYoonKim for sure I’ll keep you all updated.

[@miguelpoky2]

I did 6 years in the Army. I'm out now and I'm Joining the Navy this time. Green to Blue lol but SWCC is my goal. It gets tricky being prior service and also the cutoff for Seal or SWCC is 28 so I need to act quickly

[@MrYoonKim]

Let's gooooooooo 💪

[@tonyD777]

Cut off for seal you have to be in boot camp before your 29th birthday. For swcc it’s 30

[@VitalHD]

I’m prior service as well looking at transferring to navy what issues are you running into as prior service ?

[@Confidential619]

How many push-ups did you typically do? Like how many push-ups was your number under 2 mins. would you usually give out at?

[@SomeGuy-fl1gz]

Great vide and explanation

[@MrYoonKim]

thanks!

[@Bman897]

How hard or easy was it to get the needed ASVAB scores needed ?

[@kasenmeyers9357]

Im trying to do SAR Or SWCC. Im 15 and turn 16 in less then 3 months. Im also considering the Coast Guard. Still unsure of what to do.

[@MrYoonKim]

try to find some retired SAR or SWCC people and reach out to them.

[@yxnglucci4801]

you can't become SWCC without being 18 or older.

[@ZeroFoxtrotG]

So which route did you go man?

[@giorodriguez8467]

Was over soon as he said I wanna try it

[@TheRealQuoteOasis]

Do you recommend going into this right out of boot camp or can u still do this a few years into the navy with a more standard job

[@alex_frijolero]

Yo thanks for this man.

[@MrYoonKim]

you got it!

[@ljmorgan784]

Working towards enlisting and becoming a hm and then a SEAL unless I get a contract sooner Im going to be a Navy SEAL.

[@thehalarious2309]

How’s it comin

[@ZekeJohn_]

Did you have to score high or meet a certain scoreon the asvab in order for you to try for the pst?

[@MrYoonKim]

If i can remember correctly for Seal you need like 80 something.

[@ZekeJohn_]

Anything lower would have to enlist in the navy and then try from there?

[@MrYoonKim]

You can always retake the ASVAB 30 days after the first. Or if you can work something out with your recruiter. Its always, in my opinion, pick the job you want up front. It gets hairy once you get in.

[@ZekeJohn_]

Oh geez looks like im too late i already signed all the papers and now im just waiting to swear in, thanks for the advice man

[@twb45792]

Ezekiel Luna For SEAL the numbers are as follows. You need 1 of the 3 combinations met GS+MC+EI= 170 or VE+MK+MC+CS= 220 or VE+AR=110 and MC=50

[@Dirtcountry1]

SEAL FIT Training is also available online.

[@spookycrossaint5519]

I'm near sighted and wear glasses and I'm afraid I won't be a candidate for laser eye surgey and even if I am ,there might be a 50/50 chance of the surgry not going well. Being a navy seal is my dream and I'm scared I won't be able to do it cause of my eyes. Is there like another way I can go through buds even if my eyes are bad? I will in 2 years try to get the eye surgery but I'm curious if there's another way to go through buds with glasses or some contacts

[@johnlopez2028]

What’s your age when you tried out? Will they consider you at 34 if you crush the PST?

[@MrYoonKim]

PST at 21. 34, not too sure might have to ask someone who knows more than me 😅

[@johnlopez2028]

@@MrYoonKim Oh lol. so what are the avg and high scores that they consider to give a slot to seal program?

[@adriantadic4030]

What was your PST score when you got there and what we're the scores that got selected for the SEAL contract

[@MrYoonKim]

You have to be really competitive. So very very high. My score was like 80/80 push up sit up. 12minute mile half. I forgot what my swim was but it was TERRIBLE. That score right there isn't really desired. A person that was there who took the PST already had a contract. He did about 120 push up/ sit up. 10minute mile. 25 pull ups. You have to be competitive.

[@adriantadic4030]

Thank you so much ! You're the only one that helped me out, not even swccseal.com had an answer on who gets the seal contracts

[@alejandrocrespo4467]

JustYoon that was extremely helpful thank you so muchhhhh

[@quicksilver1752]

Check out Jeff Nichols and Stew Smith on youtube

[@codyromero9899]

JustYoon if I were to be "competitive" on the run, swim and pull-ups would I pass still. My push-ups arnt the greatest, although I'm training still

[@c.crespo8196]

Is AIRR considered specops among the community or do they make fun of them?

[@marcusschiller4482]

Yes they are considered spec ops

[@marcusschiller4482]

@Greedo yes they are special warfare but airr, eod, diver are special operations

[@marcusschiller4482]

@Greedo bro just stop I train with these dudes everyday they aren't the same thing I'm right you're wrong 🤣

[@marcusschiller4482]

@Greedo SWCC,seal,eod diver,airr are all apart of socom that's basic knowledge you can look up but according to the Navy, seal and SWCC are NSW and EOD, diver, airr are NSO.

[@marcusschiller4482]

@Greedo www.military.com/military-fitness/navy-fitness-requirements/navy-eod---diver-training literally the first paragraph bro I know this because I train with these people bro

[@dylanjones7220]

So do you need to sign for a regular job and commit to the navy before you can start trying for the pst/seal contract. Because that's what my recruiter is telling me

[@quicksilver1752]

yes

[@dtddan1]

No

[@joe-tj5wg]

Yes

[@blindhtownkilla]

No

[@joe-tj5wg]

@@blindhtownkilla Stop commenting please.

[@nakeemjames2225]

Thank you

[@MrYoonKim]

You're welcome

[@thyartcamps7938]

What is a good ASVAB score for SEALS?

[@MrYoonKim]

90's is always great. I don't know the exact requirement. However, higher your ASVAB the better you look.

[@TheRealQuack]

I got a 79 and qualified for SEALs. It basically comes down to your line score.

[@twb45792]

You need 1 of the 3 combinations met GS+MC+EI= 170 or VE+MK+MC+CS= 220 or VE+AR=110 and MC=50

[@AUSTINCHUCK1]

I believe you need a 63 or 64. I got a 69 and qualified . You need to score high in mechanical comprehension the highest though.

[@LIlbulldog2233]

@@twb45792 for the Navy Diver asvab requirements VE + AR =110 & MC = 50 could you explain what exactly that means. Isn't the highest score you can get on an asvab a 99. Are those scores % of how you did in VE + AR & MC compared to other recruits. I'm just a little confused by this.

[@brianfaulkner3216]

If anyone has questions PLEASE shoot me a message or reply to this. He is so misinformed about everything it’s ridiculous.

[@blindhtownkilla]

Brian Faulkner I’m curious if eyesight will disqualify me for even being considered for the SEALs? I have pretty bad eyesight to where I need to wear glasses all the time to see (I’m nearsighted and can’t see very far). Also, if I am considering trying to become a seal, when should I start getting serious about preparing physically and mentally? I’m 16 right now and in the 10th grade.

[@kazutokirigaya1610]

Ekrah Get comfortable in water. Thread water for atleast an hour. Learn all strokes such as combat side stroke, breast, side stroke. Again, get comfortable in the water. There's a saying out there that water is the greatest equalizer no matter how strong you are. Spec Ops are mostly looking for individuals with the drive and strong mentality since they can make you strong, but the pay can't train you to have a strong mental fortitude. Ruck runs, build up stamina for running, and weight lift, but not too much too the point you need supplements everyday to maintain physique/strength

[@kazutokirigaya1610]

Ekrah Right now I've made up my mind of becoming a navy SARC. I have exactly one year of training left till I enlist. I'll see you in the spec ops life!

[@blindhtownkilla]

Kazuto Kirigaya That’s dope man. Thanks a lot for the reply 🙏

[@iansadowski636]

I to commit to going for SWCC as I am very interested in it. I’m a junior in HS and am not the “greatest” at swimming right now. If I were to eventually go to a recruiter and train with guys who are going for the same, do they all train at a pool together and such? If so, I think that would be great for me to learn the CSS and get more prepared for the PST. Thanks!

[@Bilbus7]

You end up doing it bro?

[@GoosyTVnow]

Do you remember your score and did your friend make it??

[@MrYoonKim]

+Alex Goose I don't remember my score exactly. I just remember my swim time was off by 3 minutes. 3 minutes above the passing grade.

[@twb45792]

Minimum swim time for SEAL is 12:30

[@PABLO-pu8xd]

Do you need to go to MEPS for SEALS too or is that done with before you join the Navy.

[@tokywar97]

MR.ROD You go to MEPS first and pick a random rate and after that you need to earn your SEAL contract

[@Mjr117]

I want to go ether swcc or air force cct if I decide to go special operations does anyone know how similar the physical training is because it's kinda hard to find info on them?

[@MrYoonKim]

Special Rates do have higher physical standard. I recommend shoot for excellent/outstanding within the normal enlisted.

[@Mjr117]

+JustYoon thx

[@obitouchiha5305]

Did you do it ?

[@Mjr117]

@@obitouchiha5305 decided against special operations for career reasons. Tried to join the army like year ago as a reservist but had a workout injury i had to heal from. Currently looking at 35L (counter intelligence agent) or other 35 series intelligence MOS's. Preferably as a reservist or guardsmen.

[@obitouchiha5305]

Doctor T thanks for answering best of luck !

[@kaybee0073]

A when you say crazy # of push-ups, sit-ups and pull-ups, what do you mean.

[@johnathanbuckner4450]

Saul Rodriguez 100 push ups in 2 minutes 100 sit ups in 2 minutes 20 pull ups in I believe also 2 minute then you have to do a certain swim length in under 8 minutes 50 seconds. I think I’m forgetting a few things but roughly that’s what he means

[@elidavid3599]

@@johnathanbuckner4450 i think it’s 20 pull ups in general without lettin go of the bar even if u get 20 in 3 minutes but i could b the wrong

[@ceedee9381]

Pull ups isn’t timed

[@shangbtw1451]

How hard is the Asvab is it really hard ?

[@flizzery8220]

It's easier than you may think just study

[@capsize3216]

How long do you have to be in the navy to try to qualify for the seals

[@Charles13033]

You don’t have to be in the navy at all. You can get a seal contract before you even enter the navy. You go to a recruiter and tell them you want a seal challenge contract and I think if you meet the pst scores they put you in a delayed entry program. But you don’t have to be in the navy first I know that for sure. Some guys are in navy boot camp and have seal contracts to go to buds. You still have to pass everything and meet the standards along the way but it’s most likely easier to get in to go straight from boot camp to the path to buds instead of transferring from the fleet to buds

[@jaysandoval540]

Can you transfer from the 75th ranger regiment to seal?

[@debergerac9609]

Jay Sandoval yes you can

[@madtitan2174]

no

[@marcr8556]

Are you in the 75th Ranger Regiment? Because I don’t know a single Ranger that wants to be a SEAL. They not only have one of the biggest rivalries in the service, but the highest Esprit De Corps of any unit in existence. This shit ain’t boy scouts

[@RavishingSailor]

No. Need to complete your contract then re-enlist in the Navy.

[@haroondawar467]

Lol is this a joke? Rangers are already an elite tier 2 SOF unit. No Ranger would waste his time transferring into a SEAL team.

[@BestMusicHits]

If I wanna become seal is their any specific subjects in the asvab I must pass like do really good

[@AUSTINCHUCK1]

Mechanical comprehension

[@adriantadic4030]

Also what score did your friend have

[@roberrtox]

what do you could do if you have other nationality?

[@MrYoonKim]

Nothing special. It only counts if you can speak. You get paid more.

[@ElonAdan]

Do i need to be serving in US ARMY or US NAVY to become a SEAL?

[@marcusschiller4482]

Navy

[@jacksonturner7838]

Navyyy

[@Obi-Juan-Kenobsters]

Are you going to try to become a SEAL again?

[@TeamOverTheEdge]

He tried?

[@TeamOverTheEdge]

He tried?

[@MrYoonKim]

+TutaMatta13 nope

[@Obi-Juan-Kenobsters]

+Yoon Ho Kim ok

[@Obi-Juan-Kenobsters]

+Tim Borrego i guess so

[@NerfTango1]

If I serve in the IDF will I still be eligible to qualify for SWCC? Will I still be eligible for security clearance?

[@lwhippledc]

Delta Chrome 7 as long as you're 17-28 years of age and are a US citizen you can apply for the BUD's contract

[@EditsByErky]

Am I eligible for a BUD/s contract if I got a green card, and then become a naturalized U.S citizen?

[@danielgartavel7598]

EditsByErky yes , if you become a naturalized citizen then yes.

[@kadeemnunes1438]

can you still go for spec ops after you are already enlisted?

[@MrYoonKim]

yes after two years.

[@twb45792]

You can try to while in fleet, however it is alot easier to try to get the contract before shipping out to basic.

[@lifeisgood1631]

Is it likely that you'll be allowed after 2 years to attend bud/s ? E.g. as an AW ? I recall JT saying in one of his videos that nukes for example are very unlikely to be allowed to attend bud/s because their command won't let them transfer.

[@unkowvnzay3692]

Is the 800 division nsw prep ??

[@MrYoonKim]

yup Special boot camp for them

[@iansadowski636]

Does SWCC still travel on big ships at all?

[@itscalledmadness1095]

I’m sure they do. They go pretty much everywhere SEALs do. So when there are SEALs that need to board a ship, you are going to have SWCC transporting them around.

[@itscalledmadness1095]

Greedo Yes, they do. They may not be on them a lot, but they most certainly do get put on ships. I’ve read several books where SEALs were on ships, and boarding other ships. This isn’t a great analogy, but SEALs are like extremely advanced Marines. One of their main tasks is underwater demolitions, so they are trained to go from their ship to another ship to do damage on another ship. They are not going to be a part of the ship’s compliment, but they are definitely on them, and they are put to work when they are needed

[@itscalledmadness1095]

Greedo yeah I wasn’t trying to get at that. Sorry for the confusion. It doesn’t serve their mission.

[@theotherside1159]

@Greedo Lmao. Bro. Seals do go on the big ships. Rob O’neil and Jocko literally talks about it all the time how they hated going on the ships.. Chris Kyle is another one who stated he was on a ship for a long period of time.

[@theotherside1159]

@Greedo Stop pretending like you know everything and get off your moms couch bum

[@BestMusicHits]

Question what's the minimum amount of years to join the navy seal or must it be for life.

[@blindhtownkilla]

emileo agustin I’m sure it’s not for life. I’m fairly sure they go by contracts, meaning you agree to serve for a given amount of years before your contract ends (i.e 3-8 years)

[@collinrykaczewski5657]

Just got my contract a week ago

[@kevinruiz2687]

Good job man how was it

[@tonysmith4091]

Why didn't you go back and train harder so that you could pass the PST?

[@MrYoonKim]

I don't have personal drive to make it into the specs

[@minato4294]

listen to the joe rogan podcast, with david goggins. former navy seal, he came up from nothing. youll wanna be a seal again.

[@kevinzhang3313]

@@minato4294 If you can't get motivation on your own, then it's doubtful.

[@NK-vj9ol]

Hey do you have to be in the navy to join the navy seals?

[@schlorpxy9990]

Nope you can join from civilian

[@MrYoonKim]

Your question can mean two things. Yes, Navy is the only branch to have Navy Seals. No, you can enlist to go for special forces. Talk to a recruiter

[@Steve-qn1lj]

@@schlorpxy9990 You have to be an enlisted member of the Navy or an officer to be a SEAL.

[@gucciglucose22]

if i enlist as a swcc can i re enlist as a navy seal

[@MrYoonKim]

if you so choose to. It's going to take you a while to transition over

[@kingjohn3480]

dang I can't swim well I guess I go to the army then

[@ceedee9381]

You see the power of the mind? You told yourself you can’t do it, you lost before you even tried.

[@ombongreds3262]

sir is there a height requirement? I'm 5'6..

[@bradleyjohnson2234]

Youre good

[@Steve-qn1lj]

@@bradleyjohnson2234 If you get to BUD/S, you will be in the Smurf boat crew.

[@jacksonturner7838]

@@Steve-qn1lj wtf are you talking about, there's no "smurf boat crew"

[@theotherside1159]

@@jacksonturner7838 ????? Wtf are you talking about lmfao. Every BUD/s class has their smurf crew.

[@juanasencio6407]

???

[@WHODEYFAN25]

If you just wanna try it out you aren’t gonna make it lol

[@cwr8618]

Ironic that dude is telling folks to listen people who are excelling at this

[@piercebradley7142]

Why this guy look to sus

[@molomix23]

How about for an old guy like me I’m 27

[@chickenofthecave1406]

Erick Montejano pretty sure the age limit is 28 before you start Basic. You can apply for an age waiver, but they rarely give age waivers and you’ll need to have monster PST scores and ASVAB score to get that waiver IF they even decide to give it

[@tabrisss818]

Don’t ever call yourself old again

[@beastboy-dm9if]

This dude is Asian yet to be in America to become a Navy SEAL bro

[@MrYoonKim]

hmmm

[@johnathanbuckner4450]

beastboy8115 damn you got a lot to learn then kid. A lot of people are American citizens but aren’t white.

[@madtitan2174]

what a fuckin idiot

[@kevinzhang3313]

Buddy, there have been a good number of Asian Navy SEALs for the past several decades. At any give time, there are a good handful of Asian-American SEALs. Your race or how many people of a race there are in the SEALs or whatever unit has Nothing to do with it, since one man is just as capable as any other. Only if you do poorly, get shit for it and blame it on your race, does it "matter".

[@samuelshin8363]

Your comment makes zero fucking sense

[@ashtonjackson9195]

What happens if you get selected 800 division pass through it but fail buds? Do u have to pick a new rate and attend another school? Very curious