Product Review: Winwing F/A-18 Hornet Takeoff & Combat Ready Button Box Panels

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Hello again, the DCS patch that landed 01/28/21, included binds for the Combat Ready Panel's ECM Rotary Switch!! Hell Yes!! Now let's change those other "toggle" switches ED.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Hello all. I found that since the panel review, ED has fixed the Radar Rotary Switch in a recent patch. On your Combat Panel, make sure to bind the Panel RADAR rotary UNLOCK to RADAR Switch - PULL. Enjoy,

[@wildbillkelso2083]

@DrumGunner Yes. No, the radar dial controls your entire radar functions. You'll have to go to school on all of the ground weapons systems to ensure you're using the correct combination of controls to lock/unlock a ground target. I actually stopped trying to keep up on the multiple changes and am waiting for it to settle down for another month or two before diving into the weapons delivery systems again.

[@ExtremelyAverage1]

I know this may be old news now, but I just ordered the super taurus, super libra, and both combat and takeoff panels. I splurged on me great big time. That said, I'm having a hard time understanding the virtual to actual info you're describing. The actual: the radar knob is pull to release from the emer position? Am I understanding this right? And then the virtual has a setting for "radar knob unlock-pull" to perform the same function in game? Is this correct?

[@lancervi1762]

Flight Sim stuff is just getting better by the day. It's quite extraordinary to see it come back around. (been a PC gamer/flight sim guy since, well the beginning, in the 80s.) Of course, all this cool stuff starts coming when I've shifted over to VR, with my Rift S and my HP Reverb G2 coming soon! Need some VR gloves or something.

[@robem2349]

The two panels are $299 as stated in the video at 8:34.

[@Refuse2Lose33]

They're $9,999.00 USD (each) as listed on Winwing's website

[@Refuse2Lose33]

...it could also be a flaw in their website's pricing system (since they're currently out-of-stock) but currently that's what they're showing as being priced.

[@wangfeng1145]

@@Refuse2Lose33 It haven`t been updated yet. Its 299 for two.

[@Refuse2Lose33]

@@wangfeng1145 Yup, you're right. Just a place holder price

[@marcw.5492]

Seems a must have ... Do you see using with General Aviation ? And with large hands are the knobs too close together or too small ? I struggle a little with the Honeycomb knobs so enlarged them.

[@dannyvanderwalt9535]

Kelso/Celso, you definitely know your stuff. The tone of voice is also a cure for insomnia

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Hahahaha, sleep well. :)

[@dabneyoffermein595]

The back-lighting is phenomenal, that said, I notice that with any button clicking, the unit was wobbling. Makes me wonder about the deskmount brackets. Virpil does not have back-lighting nor labeling. i realize labeling restricts the unit to one fighter jet layout but probably can be applied to multiple jets, maybe just not Russian ones.

[@dampsok]

Kelso, your voice is like ASMR... You could literally be reading a book and it would be the most relaxing thing ever.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

😆 Hahaha, thanks Robert!

[@dampsok]

@@wildbillkelso2083 Id buy your audio books lol.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

@@dampsok I used that voice when I was dating my wife . . . . it worked wonders!!

[@PhantomMark]

I was just charged $40.00 for shipping to the UK, and $98 shipping to the UK for the Throttle as well..........$140.00 shipping in total for the throttle and these panels, can't help but feel that is a bit rich !!

[@NoFlightZone]

And don't forget the import fees and taxes to come right ;)

[@HevyGee]

Kelso, Thanks for this smooth & professional review: is the desk mount upon which these panels are fixed (:40sec) the mount for the Taurus throttle? If not, what brand of mount is it, and do you know if all 3 units can be fixed to it? Thanks again!

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you Hevy, The included panel stack-mounts would be set up between the Taurus throttle desk mounts. There's enough space to nestle there. In the frame you mentioned at :40, you can see the top of the panel mounts, "pre-production silver color" between the two Taurus mounts.

[@CrashEd1664]

Great video, thanks. Do you know if the panels can mounted to the Super Taurus throttle mount rather than to their own mount/table mount? Thanks 👍

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thanks Ed . . yes, I believe they can, you can actually see it attached that way on one of the early pictures at 0:40 in the video.

[@G3R3SkYwAlK3R]

i would love to buy a realistic landing panel where all is setup like in the Hornet

[@juimo2688]

Yes! That would be nice with VR!

[@thomasfreimuller4470]

Please check the panels of Tekcreations, this guy makes awesome and original replicas of the hornet panels. Check the website: tekcreations.space

[@tinokap]

in my wildest dreams i can aford and have builded full f18 replica cockpit, and using vr and hand/finger trackking to see hands ingame, but activation happens physicly by clicking all the switches

[@hralch1234]

I appreciated the style of this review. Very objective and professional

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you Rolando.

[@Corsair8X]

I may not have understood despite staring at the words so I’m sorry. Am I to understand that one could not bind the hook bypass and launch bar toggles to DCS without their Simapp program? To me that seems very strange and so I’m not sure that I’m understanding given they are toggles. I completely understand about the lighting and maybe even the parking brake though that one is a bit odd too. Would you be able to clarify further? Thank you very much for the review.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Hi Corsair, the issue is specific to DCS's decision to use "toggle" binds instead of separate "on-off" binds. They were effectively lazy when building the module. Simapp is required to attempt to use DCS telemetry to determine the in-game "switch state" to try and match the physical switch on the panel with the in-game switch. Hope that helps.

[@MattDvc]

What about Laser Designator? It automatically goes back to safe in the hornet. Very reasonable price btw.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Hi Matt, because the switch is a physical one, you'd have to click it off, and then on again for your next lase.

[@arguywindham1101]

Oh hey I just completed a build last weekend with that computer case.

[@pyroscot]

Good review many thanks i like the look of this but it seems the winwing sites are not always available in the UK.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you, I think they are working on them atm. Their plan was to wait for the video to drop before updating their order sites.

[@icecold9511]

Damn....VR setup and the clickable cockpit is far better. And you can't see to use these things with a VR headset anyway.

[@phillperry487]

...VR users are in the minority

[@icecold9511]

@@phillperry487 But growing as the price changes and available games. And DCS in VR is amazing

[@phillperry487]

@@icecold9511 Still a tiny minority

[@Pitchlock8251]

As a VR user, clickable cockpits are nice, but becomes very clumsy when you need to do something in a hurry . An external panel with buttons and switches that can be identified by touch, esp the gear and hook handles is very useful.

[@icecold9511]

@@Pitchlock8251 I hot key my hotas for some of that.

[@SL8408]

what a well-laid-out video. great job

[@edgar0517]

Excellent narration, not a single RC mentioned 👍👍👍

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you edgar

[@deceptiveanswer]

Awesome bit of kit and well presented. Nice.

[@tomriley5790]

Some of the switches which appear to be modelled here have "timeouts" etc. that lead to them "resetting" automatically after a certain amount of time - in the virtual cockpit the switch switches back, do the corresponding winwing panel switches move too or do you need to move them manually?

[@snodgrassw2]

What are the dimensions of the front of the takeoff panel? I.e. the panel that the switches, gear lever, buttons are attached to.

[@snodgrassw2]

​@@wildbillkelso2083 Thanks so much for the information. I assume you meant cm, not mm, so in inches the panel is about 8 inches wide and 5 inches tall. Thanks again...Will

[@wildbillkelso2083]

@@snodgrassw2 You're welcome. Sorry for my confusion. More like, 8"x4.5". I deleted the incorrect reply as to not cause additional confusion. Thanks for the heads up,

[@snodgrassw2]

@@wildbillkelso2083 Thanks for the clarification....Will

[@vedrancolak3890]

Nice review Kelso, I'm ordering both panels on Saturday 10th of April (next Winwing restock). Please advise most useful DCS functions to assign to these two centering stop sliders from PTO. Not necessarily Hornet module specific but generally speaking. The only thing crossing my mind ATM is zoom in / out view and I don't find it very practical being mapped to a takeoff panel. Currently there are many peripherals plugged into my MoBo USB ports (HOTAS, TIR, Rudder, 2 gamepads, headset using USB cable for vibration) do you suggest connecting these two to a USB 2, 3.0 or 3.1 ports? Too bad these two aren't interconnectible in order to use only one USB cable for computer connection. Perhaps in the future. BTW how do You, other flight simmers connect your hardware, straigh into a MoBo or do You use external powered USB HUBs? Too bad that stacked PTO and PCR aren't designed to be mounted to a MT1 Super Taurus mount vertical bars, it would be really nice having it straight in front of Your T1 throttle base. Another hint for future (re)designs. Best regards,

[@ronaldwatson1951]

Kelso, Good brief and a straight forward approach to this item. Item looks great 👍, your style of taking your time is much appreciated.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you Ronald

[@saiyamang5397]

What is that red device over to the left side of the screen used for?

[@raickpavanelli]

The lights on my dashboards do not come on when I press the buttons or a landing gear lever, I have the sim pro app installed and I also use the winwing settings

[@Lexi-te5mq]

Hello. I have the winwing stick and throttle. I think I know what might be happening to your panels. First go into the sim app pro and click on the panels. There should be a sliding bar for the LED lights that will turn them on. Let me know if this works, but that’s what I have to do in order to turn my throttle lights on

[@raickpavanelli]

@@Lexi-te5mq Thanks Sr.

[@Lexi-te5mq]

@@raickpavanelli oh did it work? I hope so man!

[@raickpavanelli]

@@Lexi-te5mq Yes Sr. 👊🏻😎

[@Lexi-te5mq]

@@raickpavanelli that’s awesome man! So glad I could help, enjoy your panels!

[@phillperry487]

They are now in stock and ready for sale!

[@markruhland3035]

Do these show up as Direct X devices?

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Hi Mark, sorry for the delay. The answer is Yes, all their products show as Direct X devices.

[@Mich_Angel]

Ah! Great review thank you, those panels look fantastic.. CHEERS!

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thanks for the compliment. They are very nice.

[@Mich_Angel]

@@wildbillkelso2083 You're welcome, yeah they sure look amazing I might have to get those. Will keep a eye on them ha ha..

[@wildbillkelso2083]

@@Mich_Angel Nice!!

[@alwaysintheclouds]

Hi Kelso, i have a question regarding the landig gear lever color, in the winwing store its red but in this review this piece its transparent, your unit its a final product? or a production unit? i think this must be in red color to match the real F/A-18 as shows in their store, can you explain this please? thanks and great video.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

That's a great question, I know the one I received for the review was pre-production. I just asked and got this. "The final production models will have the translucent plastic as well, using a red LED. The photos in the current order page, were earlier pre-production models with a red knob. Seems the material in the red knob did not do well with alcohol based wipes."

[@alwaysintheclouds]

@@wildbillkelso2083 thanks for the info!

[@Gunfreak19]

Have you tried using them in VR? I'm VR exclusive player and mouse and keyboard is even worse in VR, do you have any experience with how easy the buttons are to find while having goggles on?

[@gr-skil]

Excellent review Kelso, also the panels look good too. 👍

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you Skil!

[@sildurmank]

It is not "pretty much all", the gear lever light also works as a stall alarm IIRC, would have been nice to see it in action if it works in that function. Nive review anyhow

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Yep, I totally missed the stall warning, sorry man. No excuse, just an oversight. If I do any more reviews, I'm going to figure out how to record, do split screens, etc. Thanks for the compliment.

[@AB-bu8ti]

2 panels shipping to continental US looks like $70 right now, much more than the $30 listed in this video

[@grimreapers]

Any idea why the change?

[@StuartBoyer]

@@grimreapers Covid restrictions in China and Customs

[@Chase1399Aviation]

I hope you get a kickback, I clicked on the link in your description to take me to their store and just purchased both. Great video!. It would be awesome if you could attach a link to all the key bindings associated with these switches. Ie, Landing Gear Down and UP, where to find the command. They are not always so obvious. Maybe a Spreadsheet, or even easier another video where we can pause where you show us where all the commands are. Anyway. Thanks.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you for the compliment Chase. You are correct, it would be easier at first . . . but, since the module is not finished, the bind list will change over time as things are added. That means the first time the bind-list changes, a re-do would be required, ie., the ECM rotary. For that reason, I didn't add the current bind list. It'll only take 30 minutes or so to get them bound. Work through the pain 😆. It won't last . . .

[@Chase1399Aviation]

@@wildbillkelso2083 Cool. Thanks

[@CameTo]

An obvious negative is that these switches aren't at all related to real world (or sim cockpit) positions, and that will make them hard to use effectively in VR. I appreciate the video and I'm sure with some practice and the old muscle memory, eventually this problem could be negated

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Agreed, it's generally not a VR focused product. As I've been using it recently though, I'm beginning to use more of the controls by feel.

[@CameTo]

@@wildbillkelso2083 that's good to know. I only fly DCS in VR and aside from the regular WH HOTAS and pedals, I just have the 2* OSB (forget product name) that obviously go great with VR. What I'd really like (I imagine there's a massive market for this in the entire flightsim -- VR arena) is a single controller (much like this one) that is generic and ready to customize so you can easily control every aspect of your plane in any flightsim (at least the top 150 most used buttons, switches or dials)... I can see this product is a huge step in that direction, and for most people a full sized cockpit SIM is a bit much, the constant keyboard/mouse/voice activated stuff is immersion limiting

[@nillermatic18]

Really enjoy this type of review. Nice work.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you Millermatic.

[@cmibm6022]

Very, very nice review!

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you,

[@suiinside]

i guess cap is not going to review a green button simulator :D very informative

[@wildbillkelso2083]

He is forbidden because he smack-talked my beloved Hornet!! :-) Thanks for the compliment.

[@grimreapers]

lols I am banned from Hornet...

[@fabiena1787]

2:00 3 meters is approx. 9 ft.

[@danvercillo]

Thanks Kelso for the great review. Hopefully 🙏 Santa 🎅 can fit this into my stocking.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

You're welcome, they are very nice. Good luck,

[@thegrizz9994]

Kelso..LTD/R returns to safe after weapon release..is this modeled?..doubt it..what to do?

[@phillperry487]

Just cycle the switch

[@wildbillkelso2083]

As a physical switch, you must cycle it. Actuating lights are easy, having a switch that would snap back would be too expensive, plus, you already have to look down to rearm the switch.

[@projectgoatse]

Goddamn. Kelso bringing ASMR to DCS and making me tingle in my pants.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Hahahaha!

[@yogesh234rathod]

In my opinion, I would invest in next gen VR rather than spending for MFDs and this kind of panel....its easy for relocation as well

[@ClevyTR6]

I use my Hotas with VR by feeling around. It's a beautiful panel I only get to see when not playing a sim. :)

[@TheMack]

Yup, but it would be nice to be able to use both physical hardware and VR at the same time, maybe AR will fix it =)

[@VRTrucker]

Why not invest in both. VR is so imnersive but being able to interact in game without using the mouse is a huge plus. Been using the Warthog & Cougar MFD's for nearly 2 years and found that muscle memory has taken over and i'm able to hit the required button (even on the MFD's) pretty much every time.

[@yogesh234rathod]

@@VRTrucker because I'm poor

[@rustyneedles3743]

the fuck, 95%+ of the store is out of stock, regardless of that though, how cool are these :)

[@ErmIDK19]

As a guy who,s been around for pretty much all of home gaming,s life cycle . From when pong was the newest and greatest product out on the market . It blows my mind just what,s available these days in term,s of peripheral,s and immersion. It really is next level stuff

[@j6077xxd]

Awesome. I hope they release a UFC!

[@superdude4402]

Thanks for the review. Very informative!

[@wildbillkelso2083]

You are super welcome! :-)

[@Lisa-Azra_Broad]

Nice review, thank you for your work :)

[@wildbillkelso2083]

You are welcome and thank you for your comment.

[@GalaxyEnixix]

Imagine dying and having to reset every knob switched every single time

[@icecold9511]

In real life you'd have to reset every knob and switch, right?

[@icecold9511]

@@mattmurphy7030 It was a joke. In real life, you die and don't have to worry about resetting switches.

[@icecold9511]

@@mattmurphy7030 More like spectre mode

[@PatrickRatman]

@@mattmurphy7030 they mean that you're going to have to manually reset each switch to their default position before you respawn.

[@MetaliCanuck]

Sounds like something someone who uses "AUTO STARTUP" would say!

[@JoeRockstar]

Holy crap whenever I have trouble getting to sleep all I need to do is listen to this! Did you even try to add some inflection, maybe a little humor, spice it up a bit lol. Feel like I'm watching one of those safe driving movies from back in high school.

[@brianharris1830]

Will winwing produce a combat ready panel 2? Their website displays “end of life”

[@tibidisdik1253]

Wat the hell is this? ASMR? I'd be stoked if I got ahold of these.

[@HabitualButtonPusher]

No kidding right?! Kelso you need to do more vids my man

[@Refuse2Lose33]

bro, I JUST bought their throttle quadrant and received it Monday. -No way I’m going to spend 10k for a panel which I can simulate using in VR!- (EDIT: this is probably a place holding price since they're currently out-of-stock). Now that I'm less worried about the price, I may consider getting the set in the future. On a side note, the one-pole, triple throw switch used for the speed brake came broken out of the box. The company who makes it, MHao, no longer manufactures that model. I contacted Winwing and they're going to send me a new one I'm going to swap out myself. Fairly quick support in case anyone is curious.

[@icecold9511]

In VR, you can't even see these panels. As is with my x52, I have to feel the position of my mode switch.

[@Refuse2Lose33]

@@icecold9511 ? I have no problem with seeing them in VR. I'm using Rift S and I hit the button to zoom in, as needed. Not sure which rig or visual settings you're using but I can see them just fine.

[@icecold9511]

@@Refuse2Lose33 No, I mean the real world controls. I do it just fine in VR. Only issue is when I'd rather use my left hand to hit a VR button. Also, voice commands help a lot with things like comms.

[@Refuse2Lose33]

@@icecold9511 It can certainly be a pain if you're not using voice commands. How I get over it is keeping the Touch sensors either in my lap or right in front of me so I just reach out and grab them without having to take a look. It would be nice if the VR headset could have a toggle switch to switch between VR and AR. I'm not sure with other VR systems but the Oculus Rift S can be configured to switch to its "Insight" tracking cameras, when outside of its "Guardian" virtual boundary. I haven't tried doing that way yet but I'm fairly certain that it would be so low-res, you'd have a hard time seeing the keyboard controls.

[@NoFlightZone]

What can you say about the tactile feedback and friction feel of the gear stick and the hook handle? :) 😋😍

[@wildbillkelso2083]

I can say they are both positive and straight forward. Easy throw for both with soft stops at each end.

[@GrmlZGaming]

Looks very nice. 299 for 2 Panels sounds good.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

I agree, at $150 per panel, they are in par with other boxes, but can also be used across most of the DCS modules.

[@kuffeek4164]

I can not see them on the page! are they out yet?

[@wildbillkelso2083]

I think they are revising the order site, now that the video landed.

[@phillperry487]

Go to wwsimstore.com/STORE They aren't on the US store at the moment

[@slowhornet4802]

Very good review!

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thank you,

[@phillperry487]

Great review Kelso.....have wallet ready!

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thanks Phill

[@cshader2488]

So cool

[@fjb5894]

Once Winwing sells you the product, you never hear back from them. I complained about several issues and NEVER heard back. Stay clear...

[@arrtemfly]

very nice!

[@hipgames]

9.999.00 doo do dooo dooolars. OK challenge accepted! sooo its not true on 10.000 dollars that we see now? I guess not. So 300 sounds better :)

[@bandp2]

my landing gear handle light wont come on in either up or down. The light flicks on when I plug the the usb in so the light is functional so to speak. any ideas?

[@mostlyanchors168]

He could easily get a job on NPR radio.

[@imaner76]

KELSO and that velvet voice. 😎

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Hahaha!!

[@oppStompinK]

I would love to use these but I just don’t have enough money and I am not even old enough for a job LOL.

[@SelectedPeppa]

Not having the controls in the correct groups makes irritates me a lot...

[@wildbillkelso2083]

I believe that anything other than a full cockpit will always be a compromise. Given the panels relative small size, personally, I'm not bothered by their positioning. Especially since they placed more of the important and most-used controls in the pair.

[@richardwade6986]

1 extra con: Immersion ruined by a just plain incorrect layout for the F-18. It’s at odds with the correct cockpit layout on the screen right in front of you. Hundreds of dollars for something which is just incorrect is bad value. Why won’t they just do it correctly?

[@wildbillkelso2083]

I believe that anything other than a full cockpit will always be a compromise. Given the panels relative small size, personally, I'm not bothered by their positioning. Especially since they placed more of the important and most-used controls in the pair.

[@gooner72]

@ Kelso........ 3m is NOT 6ft...... it's more like 10ft mate. 2m is 6ft 6in.🙄

[@joshuajackson1616]

Just tossed $1000 on a VR for DCS. Now I have to throw in for this. DCS is going to bankrupt me.

[@icecold9511]

In VR, you can't see these controls.

[@cmdrparasite]

But of a nit pick but 6 feet is not even 2 meters not 3. 9 feet is closer to 3

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Yep, you are correct. I meant to say about 2 meters or 6 feet. No excuse, other than this was my first review and was a bit rushed to get it posted.

[@cmdrparasite]

@@wildbillkelso2083 hey man all good its a good review. Keep up the good work. Like I said it was just a nit pick

[@wildbillkelso2083]

@@cmdrparasite Thank you cadre

[@tombstone4362]

I just want a good led button box, not plane specific

[@phillperry487]

Then get the Virpil box....lots of options out there!

[@noisytwit]

Have a look into building your own. Lot of tutorials on KZbin. Don't search for DCS specific though, instead "game button box"

[@briankrontz]

Great review, but hard to hear. Really have to turn it up on my PC... Can't hear at all the car with the volume all the way up

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Thanks Brian . . . if I do another review, I'll make sure to increase the overall volume.

[@rodriquezivey2023]

Box 📦 box 📦 boxes 📦 box 📦

[@dannyd7714]

Just buy a quality VR headset and you don't need any of this, AND you get a much better experience than staring at a monitor.

[@phillperry487]

Really, I disagree. Shitty graphics in current VR? No thanks!

[@slims2503]

Lol the winwing site shows the price for one of these panels as 9999$ i seriously think it is a mistake. 20k$ is stupid expensive...

[@wildbillkelso2083]

They wanted the video to land before updating their website. The cost is $299 for the pair, or $150 each. I'm sure the website will be corrected soon.

[@phillperry487]

I wish I had a 'Face Palm' gif!!

[@BCSchmerker]

+GrimReapersAtomic *These panels from WINWING® aren't even **_close_** to the McDonnellDouglas, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon prototypes!* For all aircraft types, the U. S. Navy specifies the controls for landing gear, launch bar, taxi lights and armament controls to port; caution/advisory lights, arresting hook and wing fold to starboard.

[@phillperry487]

Are you building a SimPit??

[@cowboy10uk]

Are these products EC marked? I understand that the throttle and stick are not, and therefore are technically illegal to be purchased and imported by ANYONE in Europe. Huge shame, but just be warned if these items do not have EC markings, anyone purchasing these risks having the products seized and destroyed and recieving a large fine from customs.

[@TealJosh]

Most of that stuff only applies if you are importing it for re-sale or own boutique. It's btw CE certification. Not required and haven't caused me any trouble while making several purchases from the most un-reputable China ebay sources literally taking gamble that I'm frying the USB overcurrent circuit on my PC's usb controller. Nothing has happened so far and no trouble with customs.

[@williamampuero2841]

Paypal only......

[@JD96893]

299$ is a lot of money for 2 panels! I will never stop bitching about flight sim peripherals prices. Its like they charge more because they know there is almost zero competition and also because traditionally flight simmers have always been adults probably mostly older than 40 I would say(no disrespect intended), who are willing to dish out 299$ on a pair of button boxes. Its almost like you might as well give up on playing flight sims if your a young adult or a teen because you wont be able to afford anything other than a very basic setup until you are in your mid 30's and have a stable job with decent pay.

[@kodeine222]

the market is so small and there isint any scale of economy like that so it pretty much like each part is handmade

[@Refuse2Lose33]

Well you're gonna like this then: on the website they actually priced at $9,999.00 USD each!

[@kodeine222]

@@Refuse2Lose33 they might just be out of stock now and that’s just a place holder and make it so people don’t buy it

[@Refuse2Lose33]

@@kodeine222 Thanks, I actually just thought about that!

[@JD96893]

@@kodeine222 even with that in mind they are probably charging a hefty price on top of production and design costs.

[@lionreza]

10 grand !!!!!!!

[@phillperry487]

hmmmm....didn't listen to the video, did you?

[@OICWSephiroth]

Seriously, what a caothic button distribution...

[@phillperry487]

Why?

[@OICWSephiroth]

@@phillperry487 if you sell two different button box that is totally influenced by Hornet cockpit why you dont copy the layout? Make a left panel with landing gear, light panel, station and jett selection knob (why you separate in two panels?), master arm, A/A and A/G mode, taxi lights, anti skid, flaps, hook bypass and a correct brake lever. On the right panel hook lever, (correct) wing fold lever, and the rest of the buttons. You can throw the two sliders and use that space for more buttons

[@phillperry487]

@@OICWSephiroth Might be not you want but for me they do everything I need. They'll sit perfectly in front of my Taurus

[@tbmdd]

10 grand each? Okay buddy...

[@icecold9511]

I'll stick with my Hotas and clickable cockpit.

[@wildbillkelso2083]

TBMD, when the video published, they were planning to finish the order site so they could link the order page to it. It'll probably take a bit. The panels are $299 for the pair or $150 each.

[@tbmdd]

@@icecold9511 i have the new generation logitech x56 hotas

[@phillperry487]

It's a fricken place holder until they come into stock ffs!

[@icecold9511]

@@tbmdd those are hard to get now that logitech owns it. Only available through third party scalpers trying to get 300 plus for what was 120-150

[@hostettervideos]

I almost fell asleep. Ok, couple things. You don't need 2 cameras to capture game video. You use one camera and obs. Easy fix. Next, for who ever reviews stuff next, don't be a robot. Relax, have some fun. Have some personality. Thirdly, you don't need to read the title of the slide, I promise. Last, I don't agree with how you put dcs issues as a con for the panel. That's not winwing fault. So in summary, teach and show ppl how to do a review before they do it. Thanks

[@wildbillkelso2083]

Brandon, thanks for your critique.Yep, the DCS issues weren't Winwing's fault. Should have moved that over to pros or neutral. If I do any more reviews, I'll complete my homework assignment 😆 and bone up on the additional technical requirements. The rest, delivery, etc., well that's me, good or bad.

[@poggersfish.5021]

its 10 grand

[@hostettervideos]

It's a place holder cause they are sold out

[@wildbillkelso2083]

It is a placeholder. They wanted the video to drop so they could use it in their order site. I'm sure they'll be updated soon.

[@stoned_kakapo8736]

it's obviously not 10 grand