Prof. Alexis Sanderson: Śāktism among the Śaivas (part 1)

[@Revolvingsound]

thank you, professor Sanderson for another excellent lecture. Your work, dedication, scholarship, and thoughts have influenced generations of scholars of tantra and continue to do so. With all best wishes

[@brunoalexandrevileladasilv1163]

Thank you very much OCHS for making this amazing lecture available online, and also to Prof.Sanderson for sharing his immense years of deep research and knowledge with the public.

[@HinduStudies]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@yehudahhachassid6191]

Thank you for a very interesting lecture on the ancient sakta traditions of India.

[@JanardhanPrasadDVS]

A wonderful presentation by Prof. Alexis Sanderson. I salute him. He not only narrated the origins and evolution of Tantric creeds based on Saktaism and Shaivism but also investigated overseas links to Sakta and Shaiva. I do not want to go into the merits of his conclusions. A person who is not a Hindu born and sitting in thousands of kilometers away, studying Indian scriptures is marvelous indeed. And commendable job.

[@SethLigo]

What an age -- never thought I'd see Sean Connery introduce a lecture by Philip Pullman. But in seriousness, increased accessibility to work like this is one of the few silver linings of the current pandemic. Many thanks to all those who helped make this happen.

[@ardaraith]

Thank you for making this wealth available!

[@saffiyehbrandhijaffer-mcne2800]

Definitely, i agree😉

[@jpkingsbury]

Thank you for sharing this incredible knowledge and scholarship. The summary of evidence, or lack thereof of antiquity of Siva worship is really welcomed.

[@paulgerstmayr1882]

Thank you to the OCHS for uploading this wonderful lecture! For those viewing it later, the following notes with rough indications of time may prove helpful: - first 31 min: historical survey, rise of Śaivism - 31:00 lay vs. initiatory Śaivism (forms of Śaivism) - 34:00 atimārga, mantramārga, and kulamārga - 36:00 atimārga I - II - III - 49:30 mantramārga: saiddhāntika vs. non-saiddhāntika divisions - 56:20 kulamārga

[@HinduStudies]

Thank you, Paul. I will copy it to the description :)

[@christopherwallis751]

Still no handout? Prof. Sanderson promised "much more detail" there. thanks

[@HinduStudies]

Dear Christopher, I just got it and will upload it together with the second lecture tomorrow. I promise you, it was worth the wait!

[@christopherwallis751]

@@HinduStudies I knew it would be!! thank you!!

[@desertportal353]

Hello Christopher - sincere thanks for all your work in this area as well. Your books (several I own) and videos here are priceless.

[@christopherwallis751]

@@desertportal353 thank you kindly! feel free to subscribe to my KZbin channel as well if you like.

[@aparnamisra8761]

@@HinduStudies Is there a possibility of accessing the handouts now?

[@Johnnyredtail]

Thank you professorr Sanderson. Always a pleasure to hear your work.

[@tracilaird]

Thank you for this!

[@murrik]

Whahw, thanks! Need to rewatch it more often.

[@stefchollet]

thank you for sharing

[@shaktivaderdristi]

Please publish the shirasccheda transcript for those who will benefit.

[@prakashlb2984]

Why professor not mentioned about Shiva and Hara and Rudra in Swetswara Upanishad

[@christopherwallis751]

prakash, only Rudra is mentioned in the Svetāśvatara Up., which as Sanderson has shown, is very likely influenced by the Pāśupata-sūtra.

[@prakashlb2984]

@@christopherwallis751 i think once check it ,it is clearly mentioned in Sveta seara Upanishad Ch 4:versa14,16,18 clearly mentioned name Shiva for supreme soul . 16. He who knows Siva (the blessed) hidden in all beings, like the subtile film that rises from out the clarified butter 3, alone enveloping everything,--he who knows the god, is freed from all fetters. 17. That god, the maker of all things, the great Self 4, always dwelling in the heart of man, is perceived by the heart, the soul, the mind 5;--they who know it become immortal. 18. When the light has risen 6, there is no day, no night, neither existence nor non-existence 7; Siva (the blessed) alone is there. That is the eternal, the adorable light of Savitri 8,--and the ancient wisdom proceeded thence Max muller translation i attached for your reference

[@christopherwallis751]

@@prakashlb2984 thanks, Max Muller is not reliable really, and I can read the original Sanskrit anyway. Just haven't looked at that Upanishad for a while. The point is that it is very likely influenced by the Pāśupata-sūtra, so it is not as old as previously thought.

[@prakashlb2984]

@@christopherwallis751 then why don't you or other scholars , not produced any paper stating svetaswara upanishad and it's relation to pasupatha sects etc ,almost more than 100years oriental scholars doing research and translating Svetaswara upanishad no one claimed like you said svetaswar upanishad is influenced by pasupatha sect.all the best if you can prove it and produce article until then the works of max muller,paul dussen,edward Gough, Robert Hume etc and with respect to shivisam lots of work done by Gavin flood etc and we will take them as base .

[@prakashlb2984]

Why Oxford interpret Shiva lingam as phallic symbol,as per shivisam philosophy there is no relevance or requirements of phalic worship ,

[@christopherwallis751]

I don't think there can be any doubt about this matter if you examine the iconographic evidence: www.google.com/search?q=gudimalla+linga&oq=gudimalla+linga&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i13i457j0i13.7485j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[@prakashlb2984]

@@christopherwallis751 iam asking about philosophical and necessity for Shivisam to follow phallic worship and in Linga purana and agni purana it is clearly mention as opposite to Phallic emblem it mention shiva lingam as piller of fire

[@prakashlb2984]

@@christopherwallis751 so clearly two views are there for same emblem why present only one view

[@prakashlb2984]

@@christopherwallis751 and one more point i want to bring to your notice no ware in Vedas, Upanishads and agamas of shivisam,and philosophical works of Pasupathas,Kashmiri,saiva siddhantha,veera siva. and works of adi shankara ,sudarsanacharya,and Ramanuja,and vidyaranya, it is mentioned saivas worship phallic emblem or need to worship phallic emblem etc not there . There may be some sects might have worshipped phallic emblem later merged with shivisam so how far it is perfect and correct to interpret Shivlingam as phallic emblem?

[@christopherwallis751]

@@prakashlb2984 I don't think there can be any doubt about this matter if you examine the iconographic evidence: www.google.com/search?q=gudimalla+linga&oq=gudimalla+linga&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i13i457j0i13.7485j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[@saffiyehbrandhijaffer-mcne2800]

The poles that early shaivites were noted to carry were none other than Chillums - that is to say , Pipes used to smoke Bhang , a type of marijuana.

[@sudhirbansal4647]

How can we get copies of handouts

[@HinduStudies]

They can be downloaded from this site: saktatraditions.org/sakta-traditions-online-lecture-series-mt20/

[@shreekrishnayog3291]

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[@raghavarvoltore6517]

Sounds like Shashi