Prof. Avi Shlaim - Hamas is Not a Greater Obstacle to Peace Than Israel

[@mahammadhoogla-kalfat1122]

It's great how many of us manage to find the time and go back to educational videos posted many years ago, watch the entirety of it, as we deal with a 24/7 avalanche of live war coverage and the social media madness.

[@equusasinus]

I applaud this sentiment. I am searching for the history, amazed at the things I did not know (or was never taught!) and this video is very helpful. My eyes have been opened to what is really happening. The news as we receive it from the BBC/Sky/MSNBC etc is distorting the whole situation! We must do our own research!

[@mahammadhoogla-kalfat1122]

I hear you,@@equusasinus. As an Egyptian kid and teenager, I believed Sabra and Shatila was simply a massacre committed by Israelis full stop. And then you read and learn about The Kahan Report and watch Waltz with Bashir and Monika Borgmann's Massaker.

[@lovethemountains]

Thanks to the algo.

[@senadzri]

​@@lovethemountains nah, the Algo are being quite stingy from these kinds of content

[@brave-i9l]

Now that he sees Hamas massacring children, raping women, and kidnapping the elderly, does he still think Hamas is a just resistance organization?

[@trailblazer3889]

4:50 "Netanyahu is like a man who pretends to be negotiating the division of a pizza while he keeps eating it" 💯

[@gabequezada2066]

GOLD!

[@nhlibra]

He's brilliant! 👍

[@shabantelack5716]

Sure Is like a man who pretends to be negotiating the division of a pizza while he keeps eating it

[@naysebtc]

Righteously bang on

[@userxyz64]

Excellent description! And Nethenyahoo is not in the slightest bit embarrassed He knows exactly what he is doing.

[@drbalababaahmed1183]

It all comes down to one simple question. If the situation is reversed, can the Israelis accept to live under the conditions that they are subjecting the Palestinians to in Israel today?

[@drbalababaahmed1183]

@jeff so if you Jews lived under worse conditions, is it OK to inflict on another similar conditions even if less worse? You already have a country why don't you allow the Palestinians to live by themselves. Its either you live with them and give them equal rights or let them be masters of their destiny.

[@ocroafff5527]

Israel is a terrorist country Zionist government not the real ibnu Israel

[@pasta14465]

That’s nonsense. If the situation were reversed, not a single Jew would be alive. The question is whether Palestinians are willing to live in peace with a Jewish state. So far, the answer is a resounding NO.

[@enricogallegos9402]

Very GOOD question

[@pragmatic7710]

​@@pasta14465 C'mon! You 'claim' you want peace! “You take my water, burn my olive trees, destroy my house, take my job, steal my land, imprison my father, kill my mother, bombard my country, starve us all, humiliate us all, but I am to blame: I shot a rocket back.” - Noam Chomsky

[@Nisa-bp8ou]

I swear I didn't know such a fair man like Prof Avi Shlaim exists. May God protect him.

[@aide-toietlecieltaidera3724]

Illan Pappé, Norman Finkelstein, Rabbi Dovid Weiss, Gideon Levy (Haaretz)

[@RubiHammer]

He is an old fool.

[@virityrealtual3831]

Would add Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn to that list. @@aide-toietlecieltaidera3724

[@maymunahsydow6276]

Indeed@

[@castlegarden2999]

@@aide-toietlecieltaidera3724 I found out about Rabbi Dovid Weiss recently through TikTok 😭 I'm a Catholic girl but his words helped renew my sense of faith

[@akosuakoranteng3327]

I admire this man so much! Viva Prof Avi Shlaim , Prof Noam Chomsky and many other greats who guide us to the right side of history.

[@Semper_Liberi]

I mean, coming from a socialist and anarchist myself, Chomsky is a bit of a chach. His position on numerous issues is essentially only opposition to the United States. Regardless of your opinion of the US and NATO (I am not fond of them either) it is outrageous and intellectually dishonest to defend the Milosevic regime in Serbia and to actively deny the Bosnian genocide as he has done on numerous occasions, simply because it is conforms with his anti-"west" position.

[@paulmusyk4lyfe51]

I respect that he’s a great speaker but please look at Hamas’ charter. YES I agree Israel has been wrong but the Palestinians need other than Hamas who has brainwashed too many of them as you can see on their state TV - MEMRI KZbin channel is not a bad source

[@nancy6487]

You admire a man that doesn’t tell the truth about Israel’s treatment of its multiethnic population?? Israel xenophobic?? Have you actually visited & chatted with non Jewish Israeli residents that work in Israel? I have. And they tell a different story. When was the last time you saw Jews storm a Mosque and kill imams in cold blood?? When was the last time you saw Palestinians in the Knesset ??

[@ritaangelastri7414]

😮​@@Semper_Liberiio non credo che la critica di Chomskji all’intervento nei Balcani sia solo una contrapposizione all’amministrazione USA. In effetti si sono ricostruiti più volte i fatti di sangue che a suo tempo indussero UK e USA a intervenire . Ma si è arrivati a conclusioni discordanti, anche solo nei numeri. Ciò non rende i fatti più “leggeri”, ma si vuol far riflettere sulla urgenza di fronte a enormi stragi che , in realtà , erano di tutt’altra consistenza e sarebbero state piuttosto discusse in sede diplomatica . Ora io non so cosa poteva arrivare sui tavoli delle trattative. Sicuramente si sarebbero risparmiati molti morti , molte devastazioni , molti traumi che non rientrano più se si sceglie la guerra. Lo stesso è stato sulla questione libica, incancrenita anziché essere risolta e oggi i pure situazione “ottimale “ per lo sfruttamento dei migranti. Ogni conflitto peggiora le condizioni di crisi. Non si può più negare ; bisognauscire da questa logica. Chomskji ha fatto parte attiva come giovanissimo studente e giornalista del movimento pacifista contro la guerra in Vietnam e contro le ingannevoli politiche di Nixon nel sud est asiatico. Cerchiamo di entrare nel suo ragionamento contro le amministrazioni sempre più disinvolte sull’intervento armato. Con finalità poco limpide e risultati orrendi.

[@stevenm.2597]

Sorry. Chomsky, Shlaim are ignorant radical, self hating morons, who distort histor,y according to a woke radical Islam agenda ! Get educated !

[@fjordhellas4077]

Professor Shlaim, like Professors Noam’Chomsky, Ilan Pappé, Geoffrey Sachs and Shlomo Sand are Monumental! Thank god for great and decent minds like these Shining Stars. As a Jew from Norway,´I totally identify with Professor Shlaim and the other great Professors I admire so much, and i’d like to add another Great Mind, it’s Professor John Mearsheimer.

[@YaronZ-fr6fm]

HAMAS Covenant (Aug 18, ’88). ISRAE DESTRUCTION through Jihad 
"Israel will exist “UNTIL JIHAD OBLITERATES IT”
Article 13: “ No solution for Palestinian question except Jihad." [P. 7]
Article 11: “Palestine - an Islamic land for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day.

[@YaronZ-fr6fm]

COL R KEMP COMMANDER OF UK FORCES IN AFGHANISTAN TESTIMONY AT UN: -"Israel did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare. -Israel faces enemy deliberately positioning its military behind human shield of civilians -Hamas - expert at driving media agenda. -Always have people ready to give interviews condemning Israeli forces for war crimes. They are adept at staging and distorting incidents." Israel faces a challenge that we UK do not. It is the automatic, Pavlovian presumption by international media, & human rights groups, that Israel in wrong, while abusing human rights. Israel took extraordinary measures to give Gazans notice of targeted areas, dropping over 2 million leaflets, and making over 100,000 phone calls. Many missions that could have taken out Hamas military capability were aborted to prevent civilian casualties. Israel allowed huge amounts of humanitarian aid to Gaza. To deliver aid virtually into your enemy's hands is, to the military tactician -unthinkable. But Israel took those risks.
Despite all, innocent civilians were killed. War is chaos & full of mistakes. Countless mistakes by UK. US & others in Afghanistan & Iraq. Human errors. Mistakes are not war crimes. Civilian casualties -consequence of HAMAS DELIBERATELY SACRIFICING PALESTINIANS.

[@YaronZ-fr6fm]

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[@YaronZ-fr6fm]

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[@YaronZ-fr6fm]

EU, UN, US & Arab countries donated 70 billion dollars to the Palestinians thus far. Where is the money? New infrastructure? New hospitals? Job opportunities? New schools? Massage parlols? Ice cream boutiques? Universities? New housing projects? …

[@zulffiquer732]

We need people like you to bring peace in the world, and to speak the truth even in the face of manufactured evil

[@noamto]

Why do you want someone who is a habitual liar, a genocide supporter and a proud one at that?

[@Ismail-Yahya]

💯

[@davidlafleche1142]

Only the Lord Jesus Christ can do that.

[@dharialurie2195]

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[@jtjnewyork]

He’s one more lecture from peace. Similar to how we are one more rock concert from solving world hunger

[@wellesleey]

And today we see in the open who Israel really is. Professor Avi Shlaim, Professor Ilan Pappé and Professor Noam Chomsky are great voices of wisdom and lucidity.

[@rabecabegum9364]

don’t forget Norman Frankstein

[@LeelaSlayys]

Gideon Levy, Anna Baltzer should be in that list as well

[@basilb2007]

Don’t forget Norman finklestein, Gabor mate, rashid khiladi, Gideon levy.

[@luqmxxxn]

def agree. I read some of Chomsky's works. astonishing mind

[@israelgefen2218]

Jews hating Jews what else do you expect from them?

[@TruthSeekerAfrica]

Amazing and courageous jewish man. Shalom. Lets fight for equality for everyone.

[@awakeningthespine]

lets expose the Talmud

[@TheOldTurds-c7c]

Courageous? I don't think so. He risks nothing at all. The courageous people are those Gazan who get shot and tortured every day for speaking up to Hamas insanity. Those are the courageous people. Mossab Hassan Yousef, who can never leave his home without bodyguards because the Palestinians have a death fatwa on his blood, authorized by his own father. This Jewish guy is an idiot. He knows not what he fights for. He fights for his own annihilation at the hands of Islamist nazis.

[@charles_preston]

Hamas is evil, so sorry to burst your proverbial bubble!

[@MuhammadAli-st9zq]

'But not when the fence is in the middle of neighbour's garden' This man is cool

[@jonlenihan4798]

Arabs/Muslims claim that everything between Mauritania and Pakistan is "the Lands of Islam." Arabs/Muslims have successfully expelled the native Jews of these countries, except for those Jews in Israel. Expulsion of Christians, murder of homosexuals, apostates, secularists, non-conformists is a work in progress.

[@user-bo8nb2mi]

According to who? you? Israel is a sovereign country.

[@MuhammadAli-st9zq]

@@user-bo8nb2mi what? what kind of accordance you can have here? all the international community is saying 'YOU are an occupier'. Then Israel's sovereignity is based on occupation.

[@jonlenihan4798]

@@MuhammadAli-st9zq Arabs invariably reverse the truth. Israel is a result of the UN partition of 1948, which the Palestine Arabs still refuse to accept. Israel is a legal state, a UN member, and a tremendous success by all standards, except The Will of Allah, as interpreted by Suha Arafat. "Palestine" is corruption, failure, does not provide any support/services, except for terrorism abroad and clan wars at home. Israel includes an Arab population. There is no reason why Israel, or anyone else, should support the Palestine position that Jews may never live in the Lands of the Arabs/Islam.

[@BBWahoo]

@@user-bo8nb2mi Barely.

[@DrDurim]

What a speech, and the courage to state things, uncomfortable things, that are not favouring an obviously xenophobic government, to the contrary what so many western countries are doing at this time without doing any research or educating themselves on the matter, is what people, the average person most importantly needs to see. I find that the general mood in the world is highly steered by the media taking sides (no matter why) and that results so often in creating gaps in societies and fueling a finger pointing attitude followed by hate. How is that democratic or more importantly humane? As this extremely smart man says, what a strange sign of brotherhood when burning down houses, we are burning down too many bridges and letting extremists such as Netanyahu blend people with their propaganda to put their antihuman agendas through. It's a shame that such videos have such view numbers and some random, headless chicken so called influencers have millions of views. Thanks for being the man you are Professor.

[@erigreca3297]

A je Shqiptar?

[@TheOldTurds-c7c]

Courage? The courageous ones are all the Gazans being murdered and tortured by Hamas for speaking the truth about that filthy evil terrorist organization. This man is not brave. He risks nothing but being loved by all those million and billions of people who hate Jews. He's the lowest of the low. He's like a cockroach scurrying around in shit fighting for the death of his own people at the hands of Islamic nazis terrorists. Let's be honest for just a second.

[@saidibrahim5931]

it was 12,000 settlers at his time now is 800,000 settlers in West Bank

[@simontaylor9457]

You mean Judea and Samaria, right?

[@moujalbahr7688]

@@simontaylor9457 No. You are ridiculous.

[@consuelodieguez4442]

It would be so important if the world leaders listen that presentation. Thanks a lot

[@HussainFahmy]

"Our Freedom is incomplete without the freedom of Palestinians" ― Nelson Mandela

[@pasta14465]

+Hussain Fahmy حسين فحمي‎ Our freedom is incomplete until Jews are no longer persecuted by Islamofascists in the Middle East and their European brethren. ---Me.

[@sleepyyousef]

@@pasta14465I wonder who’s benefited society more and has more wisdom Nelson Mandela or some Guy ?

[@LeeLe412]

@@HussainFahmy Zionism saved the Jews

[@LeeLe412]

they will have complete freedom when they break their chains and re-elect an organization that is not a terrorist organization like Hamas or Fatah and will agree to peace and co-existence.

[@LeeLe412]

"Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality"- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

[@Reptex_cs]

The jew that keeps interrupting was on Piers Morgan Uncensored. He made a complete fool out of himself.

[@naysebtc]

Just say Jewish person. This moron is only looking like a fool now- but certainly many Jewish people hate that little idiot more than we do.

[@PhuckYourExistence]

Yeah. We saw it. .... a serious clown.

[@hakuofthesand]

He is a rabbi owning a sex toy store.

[@imoeazy]

Rabbi shmuley. His driven by irrational emotional fear

[@awakeningthespine]

the guy who dry humps a child and who advertises his daughters sex shop?

[@IslamElayan]

Wow this man is incredible. How have I not heard of him

[@TheOldTurds-c7c]

You love Jews who hate Jews because you hate Jews. It's very easy to see. Hamas exists to kill Jews. That's why it was created. There's no ambiguity about it.

[@dianeM8229]

Thank you, Prof. Avi Shlaim. You're a noble man.

[@1czechit1]

actually he is a silly man, an anti-Israel activist, and disingenuous. He knows what he is saying is not true such as terrorism against civilians is within international law. That is simply ridiculous.

[@TheOldTurds-c7c]

@@1czechit1 He's worse than silly. He's very very dangerous. He's advocating for the annihilation of the Jewish people at the hands of Islamo Nazis. He has a serious mental illness. Any Jew who speaks like he does is mentally deranged.

[@moonrabbit5251]

This speech is ahead of its times

[@1czechit1]

considering Oct 7th, this man just justified the rape, kidnappings, burning whole families, mutilation, and genocidal attack on civilians as "with in international law." Either this man is a raging anti-semite (when it comes to Jews in Israel) or just disingenuous clown

[@sassysince90]

I want all of the "bUt oCtObEr 7th" people to really go back and LISTEN to what people have been saying for decades. Every human deserves life and liberty

[@1czechit1]

Avi Shlaim just made an argument that mass rape is a legitimate form of resistance, and that it is within international law. he also made an argument that justified genocide as within international law especially when committed by Hamas. He ignores treaties (particularly treaty of Sevres 1920 which transferred title from the Ottomans to the Jews in Article 95).

[@moujalbahr7688]

@@1czechit1 You are a liar.

[@1czechit1]

@@moujalbahr7688 not a good debater are you?

[@moujalbahr7688]

@@1czechit1 “not a good debater are you?” - debate Avi Shlaim.

[@1czechit1]

@@moujalbahr7688 Why? he is a dishonest man. That is why is is so popular among the Arabs. For example his "scholarship" ignores the Arab ethnic cleaning of the Assyrian Christians in 1933 and the Jewish thence cleansing of 1941. Instead of focuses on antisemitic claims that supposedly preceded the expulsion of Iraqi Jews in the November 1948

[@Guyfawx42]

One of several brave Israeli historians

[@trainmonrovia1912]

It sure does lend credibility when a Jewish man has the balls to criticizes Israel. Imagine a forum like this in the US? Well, that's all we can do. Imagine it. Because if Harvard, Yale, Princeton, or Columbia ever had such an event, there would be calls for the dean or the university president's head. There would be huge donations withheld. There would be chants of "anti-Semitism!"

[@MarkoRabin]

+Train Monrovia Fortunately for you Isis is already more popular than israel in us campuses

[@trainmonrovia1912]

Marko Rabin OMG, that was so witty!

[@MarkoRabin]

Train Monrovia but i'm serious, it's very PC to support them otherwise you are an islamophobic.

[@trainmonrovia1912]

Marko Rabin You should follow the example of Yitzhak RABIN and look for peaceful solutions and compromise. Not your typical Bibi-loving domination and takeover talk against millions of unarmed civilians. Coward.

[@MarkoRabin]

your personal attacks are making this pointless

[@zaheeralam2822]

Awesome Presentation Prof Avi Salom Sir Honesty is still Alive

[@azmd888]

This was published in April 2015, and now it is Nov 2023; unfortunately the same brutal apartheid regime of Israel is still in power; how can anyone deny this? I salute the professor

[@TheOldTurds-c7c]

There is no apartheid. Don't be an idiot.

[@jafrizain9654]

The case against Israel at ICJ should hv been initiated since this sttment from Prof Avi.....long ago... Salute....for telling the truth...Prof..

[@MrReco12]

1:01- factually wrong? No, how many Paleastians were thrown out of their homes with the foundation of Israel(see the NAKBA)...more than 700 000. This occurred in 1948

[@ahiaamrosi5459]

they werent thrown, they left. about of million of jews were expelled from the Arab countries about the same time.

[@professordogwood8985]

I think he's talking about post 1967, but I'm sure these two could argue about the position of the goalposts later.

[@stevenm.2597]

Wrong fake information. !Fact: The majority of Arabs that left in 1948 , left because the Arab countries told them, they were going to attack Israe, so they should leave and they did ! Fact: Over 800,000 Jews were the ones that were thrown out of the Arab countries ,where they lived by these countries in 1948 , when the Arabs sought to "drive the Jews into the sea" (no peaceful negoiation on their part) !!!

[@gervas4935]

Well spoken a true Professor.

[@TheOldTurds-c7c]

Not really. He a buffoon. He's advocating for people who would kill him as soon as they see him. People who would blow his ead off rather than look at his face. That's called being idiotic beyond compare.

[@KOZ-k1p]

Avi Shlaim is a gem

[@TheOldTurds-c7c]

He's a turd.

[@robcormier7272]

Seeing Denis Prager sit in opposition to this just reinforces the truth of Avi's arguments.

[@lukethomeret-duran5273]

Avi Shlaim is a great scholar and author. his book "the Iron Wall" is a great historical overview i recommend to all.

[@1czechit1]

My professor gave me that book to read when I was doing a paper on the Revisionist movement. That book is an anti-Israel diatribe by an activist not a scholar. I would refer you to works by Shmuel Katz and Jospeh Schechtman for a more balanced review.

[@lukethomeret-duran5273]

@@1czechit1 Your comment is a sad, sad example of bias being pushed as objectivity. First of all, whether you like it or not Avi Shlaim is a scholar. Even if you disagree with him, his works are put up to academic standard and have come through with flying colours by others in his field. Secondly you are an embarrassment for suggesting Shmuel Katz is a balanced author. If Shlaim is an activist, Katz is the father of activism. He has a long history in multiple Israeli far right political parties (like Tehiya) and even took part in the Israeli paramilitary that killed Palestinians to take land. He literally could not be a more biased and unbalanced view. Joseph Schechtman again is a Zionist political activist who pushed early Zionist movemnts. You sure are getting confused between academics and activists. If you truly are as concerned about objectivity and balance as you claim, i recommend you get your head out of Zionist authorship and maybe read a Palestinian author instead of far right Zionists. This entire conversation we have had has not mentioned a single Palestinian author while you are arguing about balance. Maybe that will help, dont you think? I really hope you are an undergraduate because your academic standards are horrible.

[@1czechit1]

Tauber, Eliezer is a scholar that researched a topic and let the facts lead where they may. And. his work on the Dir Yassin battle disproves what you said about Shmuel Katz whose multi volume work on Jabotinsky is without axe grinding that I noticed I other historians and biographies. Unfortunately Shlaim misuses the terms apartheid and occupation showing he is an activist and a polemicist rather than a scholar. He ignores Israel's creation along with the Arb states of Syria and Iraq, the pleadings of the Jews and Arabs at the Paris Peace conference, nor does he care. Largely because he is an activist against Israel. He has no problem stooping to disinformation and the most low level conspiracy theories such as blaming "zionists" for the 1950's bombings of Jews in Iraq. Schechtman on the other hand is a historian of the the Revisionist movement (without the polemics of Shalim in the :Iron wall.") Schechtman's book was not written to besmirch any side or glorify any side, bur rather to present the events of the early Revisionists and their impact on the economy of the Yeshuv. I suggest you get beyond the socialist realism and read real history and let the information lead where it may. I suggest Dir Yassin the massacre that wasn't. or Dir Yassin end of a Myth by Uri Milstien. A good way to separate the historians from the activists is if they consider Oct 7th as "the reaction to the occupation." Anyone who says something like that is not a serous person.@@lukethomeret-duran5273

[@1czechit1]

Another scholar (rather than a muckraker like Shlaim) is Jacques Gauthier. He has a lecture on the creation of the Jewish state (and Arab states) without bias or polemics. I recommend you look up "Who owns Jerusalem" to learn about the treaties and international law on the birth of Israel (and the legitimate Arab states.) @@lukethomeret-duran5273

[@lukethomeret-duran5273]

@@1czechit1 there is one sentence I can use to answer to your paragraph. "Zionist arguing his self-righteous narrative as the objective truth." Your narrative and entire comment has proven one thing, you are a Zionist and most likely an Israeli and 2 you have no idea that academia outside of Israel is no pro-israel. Your narrative is not supported by the majority of experts and academics. You know how I know this, 1 I am in academia, 2 every author you speak of is an Israeli nationalist and 3 no serious scholar outside of Israel takes what you say for granted. I suggest you get your head out of the Israeli nationalist apologetics authorship and read academics who do not blindly defend colonial settler expansion. Maybe then you will have a balanced world view that does not glorify ethnic cleansing by israelíes

[@brianbozo2447]

It takes stronge character and courage to speak out against his own people. I am sure there are other Israeli or Jewish people who may think the same but fear they are a minority but hopefully they will find their voice and courage to speak out through the words of this man

[@Wolfboy_109]

Share this to many people today, Spread the awareness

[@babylon6g]

this could have easily been filmed this month its still so on point

[@1czechit1]

you mean justifying attacks on civilians, rape, burning whole families, murder of civilians, and use of munition to target civilians??? Really? You really think this diatribe aged well?

[@jakeally4658]

Well said. Recognizing Hamas and Isreal for truly what each organization actions are.

[@lisashung9442]

Come back after 8 years, he told the truth!

[@TheOldTurds-c7c]

Not at all. Hamas exists to murder Jews. He advocates for his own annihilation.

[@romanomendez8617]

From the web: "Avi Shlaim FBA (born 31 October 1945) is an Israeli and British historian of Iraqi Jewish descent. He is one of Israel's "New Historians", a group of Israeli scholars who put forward critical interpretations of the history of Zi9nism and Israel. " He is a Jew goodfellows! And he served the IDF! Man, you better believe him.

[@svenhanson398]

Respect to the speaker Avi Shlaim, the high moral standard of this man is outstanding.

[@ArabMatric]

World must see this speach

[@Bahantah]

Thank you Professor Avi Shlaim for your presentation. Absolutely spot on. This can’t continue in the longer term.

[@michellenorris8471]

HEADLINE 14th May 2021:- ''Israel killed more civilians in Gaza in 24 hours than Hamas has killed by rocket fire in 20 years.''

[@HumboldtFreelance]

This man is an historian of epic value, and his ability to fact-check in real time demonstrates this expertise and i just love his no-bs way of addressing the challenges as they come.

[@TheOldTurds-c7c]

LOL. He's a quack actually. He knows nothing about Hamas. Literally nothing.

[@SvendBosanvovski]

The chirping interlopers were an irritation, but Prof Shlaim handled them with poise.

[@latigresseNYC]

I love Professor Shlaim for speaking the truth and stating facts! As an Iraqi Jew, he and his family and thousands of other Mizrahi Jews were subjected to appalling discriminatory treatment in Israel simply for not being Ashkenazi.

[@Zainab_salat]

Did you saw a video Iraq wrestler and Israeli. Israeli called Iraq terrorist and who won Iraq of course😂😂😂😂

[@TheOldTurds-c7c]

@@Zainab_salat I saw it. Then the Palestinian came and it turns out he was just an Egyptian.

[@evelync177]

Hard to believe this presentation took place 8 years ago. I agreed with all but 1 argument by the distinguished, eloquent and fearlessly candid Professor Avi Shlaim, which is this: a 2-state solution is now impossible. Annexation of historically Palestinian land from river to sea by the colonial-occupation of racist, apartheid, genocidal-war-criminal, oppressive, tyrannical regime state of Israel, has made a 2-state idea a fantasy at best!

[@charles_preston]

Hamas is the problem, not Palestinians, wake up! Iran is the problem... Hezbollah is the problem. You have been played by Neo-Marxist propaganda. Got it?

[@Jiilaker]

They just heard but not accepted it. What a shame

[@abdulkkhan5095]

Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant ! ! !

[@Frida-Ha]

Bless this Man!!!! Thank you and love from Germany 🇩🇪. #free_palestine

[@BedouinTravels]

God bless you Prof Shliam - your Muslim sister!

[@Wanducamp]

When there’s a debate never bring your emotion

[@medicalpilatessoulwellness]

The objection was not correct. The Palestine is occupied since 1948. It means over 75 years.

[@lamoitte1]

A quote from Prof. Shalom address: "Hamas is a resistance movement ready for negotiated solution leading to a two-states solution". (laughter is heard from some in the audience.) To know whether a boiled egg is spoiled, one needs not eat it entirely. Tasting will do.

[@stevenm.2597]

How right you are ! 'Hamas is a resistance movement ready for a 2 state solution" ! That has to be one of the biggest LIES ever !!! I see how they peacefully negoiated on Oct 7th ! I guess Hamas considers, murder, rape and muntilation of bodies, to be a negoiation for a 2 state solution ! You can't get more insane than that logic !!!

[@jenbrown4879]

We need more scholars 👏👏👏 bless this man

[@paulherlihy9290]

Great speech! I could hear the nail being hit squarely on the head with expert precision. Can't say anymore in case I'm accused of being an anti semite.

[@ChannelMath]

You already said too much for some people

[@picview1]

You are NOT an anti-semite, I agree ... YOU ARE SIMPLY AN IDIOT !!!!

[@DTL9164]

You are an antisemite! How is it not antisemitic to support a terrorist group which calls for the genocide of all Jews in Israel!?

[@scottolsen5449]

The conversation is about israel.... Israel is a country..... not semitic or anti-semitic.... cant be with a country

[@YaronZ-fr6fm]

Microscopic Israel - The size of New Jersey The Palestinians elected the terror group Hamas to govern & represent them in Gaza At several locations the distance between THE Mediterranean Sea & the West Bank is approx 20 kilometers Hamas’ radically religiously indoctrinated ’Soldiers of Allah’ can target passenger jets landing & taking of from Israeli only International Ben Gurion airport at will. Nice… 3 Israeli prime ministers offered the Palestinian Authority %97 of the West Bank & East Jerusalem as capitol. They flatly refused. Even to negotiate. EU, UN, US & Arab countries donated 70 billion dollars to the Palestinians thus far. Where is the money? New infrastructure? New hospitals? Job opportunities? New schools? Massage parlols? Ice cream boutiques? Universities? New housing projects? … Endemic & pandemic corruption on demonic & surreal steroids!

[@dennismorris7573]

Profound, Professor Avi Shlaim.

[@1czechit1]

profound? this is a silly polemic filled with inaccuracies. For example he thinks international law allows a terrorist group to use munitions while targeting civilians. and that rape and burning whole families is within international laws of war. That is simply just absurd.

[@jamalhamdan5308]

lol. The guy who stood up just admitted that Israel is an occupier :)

[@thomaslang7616]

Coming to Tibet, it is considered to be Chinese territory according to International law. While this does not mean that I condone what China did (and still does to its minorities) the Tibetans have citizenship and the UN recognizes Tibet as territory of the PRC. Legally it is not an occupation. This does not mean that there aren't human rights abuses though.

[@shtetlcholoycd]

it's hilarious that he uses that as a defense. it's not just occupation, it's total annexation, and trying to supplant Tibetan culture with Chinese culture. and this is a good look for israel?

[@Diogenes_Parrhesiastes]

Tibet will never again be a monarchical, theocratic regime with serfs and slaves.

[@sea2959]

what about Hawaii???

[@Diogenes_Parrhesiastes]

@@sea2959 Hawaii is a territory colonized by the Washington regime. Tibet is a region of China that, under the leadership of the Communist Party, has progressed like never before.

[@DipakBose-bq1vv]

Legality is not the issue here. Correct History is the issue. Tibet was an independent country since 1911, before that it was in agreement with the Manchu Empire what was called Priest-Patron agreement, by which Manchu Empire (not China) had to take care of the external border of Tibet. Otherwise Tibet was an independent country. Before the Manchus, Tibet had similar agreement with the Mongol Empire. Neither Mongols nor the Manchus are Chinese. Tibet was never a part of China. That is also true about East Turkestan, Inner Mongolia and Manchuria.

[@HumboldtFreelance]

FLASHBACK! Please re-post this amazing clip!

[@FormulaProg]

Israel needs to be held to account

[@agriope2334]

He doesn't look like a Hollywood hero but he's exhibiting more courage and integrity than most, by far. Thank you for speaking up sir, it means something completely different coming from an Arab Jew.

[@farouksirleaf4609]

This is eight yrs ago, it feels like is just happening now

[@IdrisAlikorow-my1ld]

You have changed many people's minds proff,

[@guadalupecorchado5461]

Blame the victim is a sin.

[@lorenzodelre245]

I believe it is in Israelis own interest to understand, accept the critics and make better decisions for the future.

[@zoraeltzam9368]

Many thanks for honesty and humility!

[@leopacino6876]

A shout out to this Jewish voice fir peace. I have a lot of good Jewish friends who believe in peace

[@zarathushtra9564]

Wow, what a brave independent, decent person who does not disgrace the Jewish people !

[@azamaziz8379]

Thanks for telling the truth

[@MagdiNonDuality]

Israel is behaving as an occupier, a military regime who is persecuting and occupying Palestinian lands and homes. Remember what the Nazis did. It’s awful.

[@aliasolwi2137]

Thank you Prof. You have just told the truth when nobody dare to tell it. We hope that you can get the chance to bring the peace to the Palastinians. Thank you so much for this incredible talk. ❤❤❤❤

[@carmenpazminoboza8579]

Cuanta claridad me ha dado escuchar esta tesis sobre que Hamás es el menor de los obstáculos para el reconocimiento de un Estado palestino, simplemente Israel no quiere hacerlo, los últimos ataques solo demuestran que quiere exterminar Palestina. Excelente exposición del profesor Shlaim.

[@davidchokler2840]

@carmenpazminoboza8579 El profesor Shlaim "olvidó" mencionar que cada una de las operaciones militares en Gaza fue el resultado de importantes ataques terroristas contra civiles en Israel. El profesor Shlaim "olvidó" mencionar el período transcurrido entre 1967 y el primer gobierno del Likud. El profesor Shlaim "olvidó" mencionar los estatutos de Hamás, que todavía no han cambiado. El profesor Shlaim "olvidó" mencionar la generosa oferta de dos primeros ministros de Israel de poner fin al conflicto.

[@immers2410]

Please tell us more about the period between 1967 and the first Likud government

[@davidchokler2840]

@@immers2410 although, there were different voices, but major line of the Labour party was to use territories as bargaining card to achieve peace. The Likud ideology was "not an inch". The settlements erected during that period were mainly for security reasons. During that period, there very few checkpoints, and all of them for security purpose only. Until 1977 visit of Egyption President, no arab leader acknowledged Israel's right to exist. BTW: Anwar El-Sadat was murdered in Cairo as a result. Just a reminder that in August 1967, the Arab League declared the three No's, No recognition, No negotiations and No peace. So far, not a single Arab leader offered a solution to achieve Peace when Israel is part of it. From the other side, when Israeli offers given, the other side walked away without giving a counter offer.

[@immers2410]

@@davidchokler2840 the Palestinians would counter that Israelis have never been serious about peace. So both sides sincerely believe the other side is not serious about peace, but both claim that they want peace.

[@davidchokler2840]

@@immers2410 How do you know whatever you wrote. Practically, only one side offered. The other rejected In 1977, Israeli party that declared "not an inch" signed a Peace agreement, and majority of Israelis from both sides of the political spectrum supported it. In 1993, was exactly the same. Just weeks after Yasir Arafat signed the Oslo accord, during his speech in Ramallah, he compared his move to the Treaty of Hudaybiyah signed by Muhammad. 7 months after the agreement, busses started exploding in Israeli cities. Palestinian leaders are not interested in Peace that recognizes Israel's right to exist. Unlike your opinion on Israelis, it is proven again and again by acts. What I wrote is not only an opinion. So far, each time I ask for people's suggestion to solve the conflict, except for blaming, nobody gave me one. Would you be the first one?

[@safanamakhdoomable]

I read Iron Wall by respected Professor Dr Avi Shlaim in my 20s: he has always been honest

[@1czechit1]

I have studied the Zionist Revisionism movement in college. I was given his book by my professor... his work is a silly polemic, not a scholarly study.

[@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt]

mr Avi you are a brave brave man.the original free thinking jew.

[@headyslimane]

Καπτεν Χαρλοκ yes he is!

[@kitemanmusic]

Most would call him a traitor

[@avtaras]

I know he is free-thinking, but wait a second. If he didn't think according to your agenda, would you consider him a closed-minded Jew? Is everybody who agrees with you open-minded and everybody who disagrees with you close-minded?!

[@0407joe]

Yes he is. The speaker of truth

[@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt]

@@avtaras My agenda? What are you even talking about? The fact that I consider him brave and free thinking doesn't necessarily means that I agree with him.

[@IsakGerson]

It's remarkable how he barely has to make his case with arguments, but can just state facts that people try to ignore. When his opponents try to do the same, he quickly counters them.

[@sebastian_arroyave_author]

And eight years later, it all has just gotten worse

[@mhdalizaghmout9163]

Does anyone have the full debate ??

[@unapologeticchristian1052]

This debate would be good if both sides could challenge each others points and force the other to defend their points

[@maymunahsydow6276]

Nope no need for a shouting match he made his point hope ppl listened as always! Of course their just has to b a heckler still he had his say! Bravo!

[@SyedAli-xm1yq]

Wow, amazing.. this is how a honest man is define. Bravo Mr. Avi

[@jonathanpinhasov6051]

Hamas kills gays and loves honor killings. What honesty are you talking about. If you went to gaza, you would leave the same day if you saw what hamas does, especially if you were gay. This is nonsense

[@peaceout6667]

They dont like him do they

[@pasta14465]

With good reason.

[@mrpepe1408]

@@pasta14465 truth always hurts bot

[@bassiehd]

@@mrpepe1408 The truth hurts bots like you.

[@unapologeticchristian1052]

@@mrpepe1408 As Hamas bombed and killed over a thousand innocent Israelis this past weekend, you look like a fool

[@C-117]

“Hamas is an Islamic resistance movement ready for negotiations leading to a two-state solution.” That one didn’t age well.

[@Jys71208]

Well spoken Professor Avi

[@samuelmwambazi8967]

Thanks Prof... Israel is an occupier

[@vanessac1965]

Well said sir. It is a persistent myth that Israel simply wants peace and Palestinians won't cooperate. Israelis want 'quiet' not peace.

[@mosesCordovero-uw5vw]

badly said, jerkface. it is a persistent my that the Palestinians want peace. they will not cooperate. yes, we Jews want peace and quiet, but that is problematic to gay nazis like vanessaC

[@BabaRabba2]

Palestinians in Jenin for example were under Jordan, it was Jordan pre 1967, and in the 70s they were much happier under Israel. Lets say 1967 war didn't happen. They will be Jordanians.

[@shifa444]

@@BabaRabba2yeah and the haitians were also happy under french. bro stop drinking the koolaid

[@nn-ge3ur]

he said everything so perfect, but at the end, "Hamas is an islamic resistance movement ready for negotiations leading to a two-state solution". he read more than 500 pages of the war crimes of the IDF, but not the first page of the Hamas charter: "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it".

[@shonhashmi6173]

He is an Honest Jewish man

[@gervas4935]

Minute 9:49 Hamas is a local organisatin with a local agenda. They have right to resist the ocupation.

[@edgmeyers]

Hamas has a local agenda. Right.....This point did not age well. Ready for negotiations leading to a two state solution. Whoops.

[@mikahist4155]

Why i like Hose speech: je looks for a solutions for both sides.

[@samblackwell8308]

Certainly brave and bold

[@shakiramoha9682]

May God bless you for tell the truth

[@gervas4935]

Minute 5:43 Destroid houses 8,000 illegals withdrew but then introduced 12,000 new illegals.

[@dannyrosenberg4175]

When you tell your children to blow themselves up, you cease to become a victim. When you bring your enemy's children into your own hospitals, you cease to become an oppressor.

[@Drigger95]

Danny Rosenberg you dense individual. Hamas has stopped suicide bombings for nearly a decade now. Go read a damn book

[@Drigger95]

myyou I wonder why they would want to blow israeli's up. Are they such horrible people? Boo hoo. (Just so you know, suicide bombing has gone down because hamas has vowed to stop since 2008)

[@dannyrosenberg4175]

Drigger95 that's beside the point entirely. hamas advocate the killing of civilians and avoid the IDF in order to do so. saying boo hoo about murder clarifies everyone on your position. thank you for your time

[@Drigger95]

Danny Rosenberg Yeah, and defending Israel's policies against the people of palestine clarifies your position on human rights and racism. Thank you for your time. If anyone should be making excuses for anybody, it should be for the people of palestine living under a brutal occupation. It's clear to me you are blind to this issue, probably blinded by your love for Israel. It's a shame.

[@marcpelletier2700]

+Danny Rosenberg Why shouldn't they? They've had white phosphorous poured on them. They've been rounded up in Israeli shelters to "avoid the bombings" that the Israeli's then bombed. War crime after war crime have been committed against the Palestinians for decades. If we are recognizing that Israel has become more civil and less violent over that time, why is it wrong to recognize the same in the Palestinians?

[@obiedkhan8080]

the best Example is the Pizza........

[@sullivansongz]

thought the pizza reference was brilliant too!! :-)

[@danlivni2097]

Hypocritical Palestinians oppose a Kurdish state The case for a Kurdish state (and the hypocrisy behind opposition to it) www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/04/alan-dershowitz-case-for-kurdish-state-and-hypocrisy-behind-opposition-to-it.html

[@avtaras]

Yeh haha. Tom Friedman coined it I think

[@TheMBizm]

@@tonyhasek9403 The pizza never belonged to Israel to begin with, they stole the pizza :)

[@raymack8767]

@@danlivni2097 Whataboutism. Sigh.

[@zer0875]

Wow what a fair man!.

[@yancyhebert9937]

God please protect this wonderful servant.

[@mahirrahman7]

Avi Schlaim is brave. The only solution is an one state solution, a single democratic state. #FreePalestine

[@unapologeticchristian1052]

Yes. He is brave but that doesn't change the fact that he is a fool

[@MagdiNonDuality]

The occupation of Palestine is a tragedy which must end.

[@muzzammildeen901]

What a wonderful human being

[@phantomgamingignt6275]

Just because he supported Palestinians? 😂

[@randomusr4545]

​@@phantomgamingignt6275 yeah

[@user-bo8nb2mi]

@@randomusr4545 but if it was the other way around and an Arab professor defended Israel? Unfortunately commenters here turn a blind eye to the other side of the coin.

[@shifa444]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@user-bo8nb2miwell yeah no shit if u change the scenario the conclusion is going to change as well. it’s like saying but “ohhh if I defend the Jews im good but if I defend the naz!s now im suddenly bad and comments grin a blind eye to the other side of the coin” like yeah that’s how things work.

[@chriswalker9478]

Does anyone know what the resolution was from this debate?

[@bradfordpowell6559]

a majority of Oxford University students voting at the Oxford Union deem ISRAEL IS A GREATER THREAT TO PEACE than Hamas. 190 to 130

[@TheNaturalust]

I would say neither Hamas or Israel wants peace that is obvious. But Hamas doesn't speak for all of the Palestinians like Israel is supposed to speak for all of the Israelis. Which is the bigger obstacle in 2016? I'd say Israel because of the occupation. Hamas is not much of a vital threat these days while the occupation effects millions.

[@TheNaturalust]

Fortel Fortelf Well to be fair it says "Islam" will obliterate it, not Hamas in particular. In any case Hamas officials have called this part of the charter irrelevant and mainly a historical document and have made statements saying they are willing to negotiate peace based of the 1967 borders. I would counter that the occupation, settlements and continued theft of land have become the biggest threat to peace. Extremists on both sides of the conflict are uncompromising and share the blame here, Israel has it's share, just like Hamas does. Hamas was created as way to resist the occupation in 2006 or so and if you believe they are the thing preventing peace why then was Israel unable to negotiate it prior to their existence? They are quite obviously not the only issue here. It is you who are naive and ignorant. If you want to learn more about the peace negotiations read Jimmy Carters book he probably knows more about the process than any man alive today, is not anti-Israel and can shed some light on the nature of the peace process for you.

[@CerberusCheerleader]

+TheNaturalust The obstacle is that Israel has no intention of allowing a souvereign Palestinian state (and probably never had), the ongoing settlement project is proof of that. And whether Hamas _would_ be an obstacle if there _were_ honest intention on Israels part is kind of a moot point.

[@TheNaturalust]

CerberusCheerleader Yes I agree and get it. It's so obvious to anyone looking in from the outside. The lady who founded the settlement project talks of meetings she has with Sharon where they had planned out the expansion of the settlements long ago and that they truly believe the land is theirs for the taking and the Palestinians don't belong at all. Netanyahu speaks of peace and a two state solution but obviously wants neither. My blood boils every time I hear that guy talk.

[@oferoferf6969]

+TheNaturalust Read my comment and stop being ignorant.

[@TheNaturalust]

Fortel Fortelf I read your comment and think your simplistic breakdown of this as an Islamic Resistance Movement issue just doesn't take into account the realities here. This is more about a radical Zionist movement and greed for land and resources than a Islam vs Judaism problem. Yes radical Islam is a problem but so is the illegal occupation and Islamic Jihad is not what is driving the Palestinian resistance at this point. Any group of people in the same situation as the Palestinians would be acting the same and I suspect you or I would not take it sitting down.

[@Reptex_cs]

Palestine have wanted peace for many, many decades. israel have not, and still does not today.

[@Adrian_Nel]

My gawd. How long has Nethenyahu been there? This video is 8 yrs old!

[@markmckenzie8792]

The rabbi making a fool of himself again and strengthening Mr Shlaims case

[@b33jal]

I believe they are just students