Professor Denise WIlson on Māori Family Violence

[@cyrillawless]

As long as they keep denying it and blaming everyone else nothing will change.

[@nzkid2599]

1000%

[@gregwaghorn8496]

It's in there genetics

[@saxdearing3395]

Its the culture we're all being forced to emulate!

[@Thebuilder-v7q]

Respect your self and respect others that’s all that they need to do and don’t behave like an ass hole

[@MyAncestorsCameByBoat-nd1lf]

I can't believe that they won't accept the truth, and it doesn't matter that we are a war mongering race of people that have killed millions in our quest for superiority of the planet. One rule for them

[@merlenechambers575]

I have heard this korero for 50 years. Nothing is changing.

[@ourpeople-g7r]

Because the maoris are not interested in changing themselves. It´s easier to blame others.

[@scotts4194]

How many times have we heard it’s a complex issue that requires a multi layered response - yet these experts never have anything new to add. How are we still standing after going around and around in circles for decades? To the experts - we need solutions from you not just the same old talking points we’ve heard for so long.

[@ginger6597]

Experts, what experts! We don't have experts in NZ.

[@chriswalsh6505]

Don't forget that nauseating (not to mention suffocating) term "wrap-around services".

[@fatbastard70]

@@chriswalsh6505 Ik!

[@drayner2517]

This discussion has been going on since I was a young girl! No one wants to address the elephant in the room, especially Māori.

[@lydiascl]

When there's a death of a child because of suspected abuse, the family sometimes close ranks and refuse to speak to authorities.. 🤔

[@jasperhorace7147]

And then get away with it!

[@MagnumTriumph]

@@jasperhorace7147yeah, was there even an update on that ruthless empire case?

[@osamanbenjarmin]

Happens with rich whites too...

[@bumblebee8653]

​@@osamanbenjarminWhat, only rich whites? Are their poor whites? 😂

[@DouglasFir90]

Well you can't blame the justice system. Much better to let children get killed and abused than be called racist right?

[@jobird354]

These people are being carried in every aspect of their lives at taxpayer's expense. But we're not allowed to speak out about it or be called racist.

[@Mislandlife]

When you say 'these people', are you referring to the entire race of people or only the people who experience family violence within that race?

[@hubristicmystic]

@@Mislandlife The ones on the dole beating their family up, joining gangs and comitting crime their whole lives. Are you claiming these people don't exist?

[@MrWillt100]

Is that so jobird from south africa and all you Pakeha helped put those ones there cause you didn't want us to be a part of your white mans world ever since you came to this land. And on and on it goes with no positive help from you pakeha. Put us all in the same box and slam us down at every chance you get, cause that is the Pakeha way.

[@brucegibbins3792]

Have you experienced this type of censorship? Your feeling aggrieved that you've been limited to what you can say doesn't seem to have affected your contribution to this comment section, eh?

[@DouglasFir90]

Good work boomer, you figured it put that your generation voted for the destruction of the western world because you fell for the propaganda. Diversity isn't so cool now huh.

[@mikeZL3XD7029]

Michael, As a half-cast Maori myself, I grew up in quite a violent house. Personally, I would not let my kids see that level of violence. However, there are still people around from my race that have in no way evolved sufficiently enough to be called PARENTS, this poor treatment of children continues to happen, until such time as a child or woman dies and the Police get involved, total Ambulance at the bottom of the cliff stuff. You are right, this has been an on-going thing and nothing has been done by successive governments over the last 40 years to curtail the violence, apart from throwing money to the wind. I don't know what the solution is, but this needs to stop, it is 2024, not 1850.

[@janetamplin7318]

👏👏👏

[@kiwikat8143]

Take responsibility for your actions. Covid affected everyone not just Maoris. People need to learn self discipline. Stop blaming others and the past.

[@Matowix]

But it affected maori more. So they need more free money and special treatment

[@lindamckenzie6500]

Totally agree;

[@smiffyLevel6]

What about all the Billions of NZDollars that have been paid out to Māori time after time, it’s about time they used that money to sort out their own problems and stop drain the tax payer!!! I’m fed up of paying for all these dysfunctional people that take no responsibility or try to help themselves.

[@vincentcarmine8731]

It’s more than that , have areas of the book “this horrid practice “, I think by an Ak Uni professor, it explains the propensity for violence and why it is inter generational with Maori. There is no easy fix. Job opportunities, encouraging the children to get an education are the top of the cliff. Everything else is bottom of the cliff stuff. Things got a lot worse under labour for most Maori but a lot better for Maori elites.

[@adriandocherty778]

@@smiffyLevel6it’s called rent bro!! It’s even better now we got a tax cut for landlords!!😂🤣 Capitalism and democracy at work!!

[@grahamp7544]

She wants "By Maori, For Maori". Its a common catch cry. And yet Maori have demonstrated that they have failed in looking after their own. What are the statistics for say Asian Family Violence? Would we/they be better off having "By Asian, For Maori"? Certainly the old model has failed.

[@michaelhowell8412]

Let's forget about the 5 & 10 year old Asian kids whose bodies were found in a suitcase possibly upto 4 years after they'd been killed by their mother? Or the Bain family? There are terrible tragedies by all races

[@glassini]

​@@michaelhowell8412He was referring to the Stats..the gaslighting you did was inappropriate. His suggestion that the culture that has the lowest family violence Stats is called upon to participate in working with the other three cultures is not a completely stupid idea. Finding the most successful example and drawing upon that model to improve the others is the type of thinking we need.

[@giltee626]

You’ve named 2 that’ve happened over the last 20-30 years. How many maori children are killed and sexually abused each year? How about comparing apples with apples

[@DouglasFir90]

@@michaelhowell8412 lol! You sir are retarded. You should learn about "per capita" roughly 7 percent of NZ population (maori men) are responsible for roughly 55 - 60 percent of violent crime, mostly attacking other maoris. Anybody with half a brain could see that they are vastly over represented. You must have got your information from marama Davison the anglo hating politician. People who can't have white children will default back to hating white people 9 times out of 10

[@lifeliver9000]

Imagine if there was community strategies for pakeha by pakeha no Māori allowed. Hate the racism

[@grahamclark5766]

How much money spent on Maori agencies, by Maori for Maori with no results. Responsibility for your own actions, don`t blame others.

[@DouglasFir90]

They got results mate, maori results

[@mikeZL3XD7029]

The strange thing is, this is only North Island Maori, Ngai Tahu (my iwi) sorted their claims out in the mid-1980's, the North Island Maori tribes seem to think that the Government and the taxpayer are a bottomless pit of money to be drawn on, at their behest, that is just wrong. And it is only their lawyers that are gaining from this.

[@brutallyremastered4255]

Do you have a machine that types out these tiresome one liners for you?

[@OneGodApostolicnz]

@@mikeZL3XD7029 Appreciate your view but that's why its vital you and your elders intercede and get involved in the conversations on the marae on behalf of NZers. Only maori will hear it from maori and be convinced of these things . Wish you all the best .

[@Peye-pv4cb]

@@mikeZL3XD7029 thanks for your views, I thought we were one people, sadly this isn't the case, your correct we are not an endless money pit, we are not a rich country, compared to others in the world

[@annemackay-ib4gy]

And they get away with cruelly killing theirbabies/toddlers!!!!!!!!!!!WHY

[@mikeZL3XD7029]

What??!!

[@trevorstewart8]

Because the perpetrators are socially inept and ill-equipped to deal with adversity and trying times. A crying kid incident is too intense for them to deal with it in a calm manner and so resort to violence to shut the kid up.

[@MyAncestorsCameByBoat-nd1lf]

They are terrible and need to be deported

[@OXSEnterprises]

Pretty hard to fix a wrong when those doing it can't even admit it's wrong.

[@5150show]

Exactly! When was the last time maori leaders came out and said stop bashing your kids ?

[@kiwikat8143]

I totally agree. Have we ever heard those words from the Maori Party or the Greens????@@5150show

[@valeriehughes1008]

Exactly - this is the problem they will not take responsibility for their actions and just continue to blame the past and the arrival of the settlers... well my family were amongst the first settlers to arrive in NZ and I had 2 ancestors attacked, slaughtered and eaten... Innocent settlers trying to survive in the Kaipara...we as a family have learnt our family history, learnt to accept, forgive and move on without hate.. Maori have to do likewise... we learnt very early in our lives that no one owes you a living, you have to earn it yourself, and respect cannot be demanded it has to be earned.

[@Bebedollie]

I saw a documentary about gang members taking responsibility for things they did in the past to their families and the g**g r***s that occurred. There's a video on KZbin about it.

[@OXSEnterprises]

I just feel like until the people doing these wrongs will admit that it's wrong, there will be no change. I also think this government could really lean into a "you can do it" approach and go from there. You don't motivate people to improve their lives by telling them they'll be sweet when someone else fixes it.

[@DownUnderWarboss]

Personal responsibility? That not a thing?

[@questor55]

No, that's racist

[@janbrown9195]

Depends who you are .

[@eileencoulter6263]

It's a tax payers thing

[@Matowix]

Not for maori

[@nzkid2599]

TPM doesn’t like that 😂😂

[@adrainmcconnell8918]

This woman sounds so bored and has just copied what has been said countless times before. If this is the calibre of people dealing with this its no wonder nothing has changed.

[@Matowix]

They just want the wage packet and easy job..

[@stewartbennett4829]

its a huge industry that none of them want to end...

[@brutallyremastered4255]

Good points

[@brutallyremastered4255]

@@MatowixAnd who are you?

[@Drifty325i]

I don’t think she’s bored, she sounds helpless because she knows it’s all because of the culture

[@3gok838]

But Marama Davidson said all violence is because of Cis white men, and she knows. The interesting part is she also blames non maori for the poor quality of out come some maori have. You are the first person to have a serious conversation about it and all I hear back is the same thing as thirty years ago, but as this woman confirms it has gotten worst.

[@erikmolving2302]

It needs to have the Maori Party, Maori politicians speaking up along with Maori society focusing on the issue and stop blaming everyone else. Self responsibility.

[@itsjustweard2328]

The Maori' support the gang's I've heard them on TalkBack W T f

[@avpr1574]

@@erikmolving2302 train your pakeha

[@malcolmhayward4431]

Word salad woman it’s NOT complex and the things she said are things that have been said and done for years NO change

[@marksheehan8026]

What bit l know ,, she really didn't say much at all .

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

Michael thought differently 🤔

[@anzacman5]

It's complex. No. Only if you want it to be.

[@bumblebee8653]

They are living with the devil of deceit on their shoulders. Time to stop the bludge wrought of the hard working people of New Zealand.

[@brucegilmour6615]

Because of people like her and her views is why nothing will ever change for the children

[@koro287]

Yes and she gets paid a fortune.

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

Don't keep blaming your childhood! Break the cycle!!

[@unclejoe7958]

It’s culture. And the code of silence. Don’t interfere. Don’t narc. Harden up. Don’t be a pussy. It’s also the enabling by leaders and politicians instead of being honest. The blame shifting. Colonialism was the usual excuse. Today we have the highest participation in tikanga, kapa haka, te reo, Maori agencies, cultural strategies in schools and prisons, land settlements, treaty fulfilments, pro Maori stance in tertiary education etc, etc. Yet , the crime and violence hasn’t changed for Maori. And it won’t until the culture changes. A good start would be to stop glorifying culture , then people wouldn’t be able to hide behind it.

[@iansmith9706]

About time Maori communities took responsibility for their actions , please don’t blame colonization

[@user-rf9ws7hp3e]

Drugs and alcohol play a huge part in family violence. ALL my Maori mates are into drugs and /or alcohol and like me can get stroppy when we’re loaded . The question then becomes, why are we getting so loaded ? Part of the answer to that question is… because it’s socially acceptable, it’s even encouraged in our culture .

[@lindamckenzie6500]

Have some pride!

[@nzkid2599]

Plenty of Māori (not all) would rather entertain themselves with KFC than learn te reo Māori and tikanga

[@parebennett5151]

yep alcohol consumption is big biz for the barons even though the cost of alcohol addiction is paid by taxpayers and victims of alcohol violence

[@itsjustweard2328]

You need to change your culture you're falling down on every single statistic. Can you people not see that ?

[@fatbastard70]

So people complain about the cost of living but still buy alcohol and drugs. Maybe the problem is the gullibility of people in positions that dole out the money.

[@aletheabaldwin6612]

A Professor, therefore just a theorist. And she sounds like it.

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

But Michael is impressed 🤷‍♂️

[@anzacman5]

Yes, but she's an expert.

[@urlsarelikegrrls]

It's 2 - 3X the rate for Maori and Pacifica islanders than Asians and Pakeha and it's getting worse? What have we been doing that hasn't worked? or has no one been doing anything for 40 years or everything we have done has failed? There's a ministry addressing this? They're obviously failing both the victims and the taxpayer here and should really think about what use they are...

[@debbielacey6229]

Hello there, Just over 30yrs ago I was going home after work around 11.30ish pm. Back then I went around the back roads as it was quicker. One night I noticed a group of Maori kids walking along the road on their own NO adult anywhere so I stopped to see if they were okay as I was worried something had happened and if they needed help. The youngest I found out was only 8yrs old and the oldest was 11. I felt I couldn’t leave them there so I said I would drop you off home so you are safe. I did ask questions but they were on the shy side. I got their address and off we went. It was the opposite way to me but I didn't mind as I wanted them to be safe and not on the streets on their own. When I got there their parents were having a party. So I walked up the path, there were people outside and asked if I could see their mum and dad please. The mum came out screaming her head off at me. I will leave it there. The 8yr old grab my hand and was shaking, I was talking nicely but I got abused and told to mind my own business. I didn't want to leave the kids but what could I do it's there mother. I went to the police the next day as I was worried about the kids and explained everything. And yes I saw the same kids on numerous time when I was coming home. And yes I went back to the police again as I was worried. What more could anyone do. My husband said you have done your best. You see I had 2 kids at home tucked up in bed around the same age. Thank you for reading my story. Hope you and your family are well. Take care. 💝🙏

[@OneGodApostolicnz]

Interesting that your time frame is 40 years . Wasn't a problem before then so what changed or event caused the gradual decay of character ? Could be a good place to start ?

[@fatbastard70]

Maori need to take responsibility. All of these taxpayer-funded Maori and Pacific Island organistations doling out money left and right and the situation is getting worse. Start in parliament by telling Te Pati Maori et al to shut up about the Treaty and every other bandwagon they try to climb on until they have taken responsibility for their inexcusable behaviour towards their children.

[@urlsarelikegrrls]

@@OneGodApostolicnz I'm not that old so can't say but I'm highlighting the fact we've known about the the issue for decades...we have been attempting to improve the issue for decades...something and/or someone is resisting it's resolution

[@chrisseaton222]

doesn't surprise me , you see it everyday in New Zealand

[@JL-go3]

Sadly doing the right thing, working hard and working towards bettering your life is seen as weak or uncool amongst many Maori youth, its something I noticed amongst my Maori and Pacific mates at school in the 90s. The Government can't and shouldn't do anything. Maori Elders, leaders and men in the individual communities need to lead their communities forwards. Legislation can only do so much, in the end Maori men must find a way to regain the strength of family in the community.

[@naturesoundsnz]

If you read (or watch) Thomas Sowells' take on this regarding the Black American problem, it comes down to culture.

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

A certain Austrian painter said the same thing 🤔

[@thekeemans9907]

Sorry, your Mr H said it was race, big difference

[@berniefynn6623]

stone age culture

[@operatorsix6933]

bingo.

[@robert3987]

Stone age dna.

[@ttamihana7879]

You people are the prime example of the devision in this country White people continuing with their STONE AGE FKN idealogy regarding non whites in this case Māori. You all Listen to one souce and assume it is the correct source. My sister inlaw worked 28yrs for women refuge. Most of her clients were white women and their children, beaten by their tradesmen, lawyers, teachers, businessmen and your everyday Joe Blog husbands but most times the abuse got hushed by the system. I know all this because I would look after her children when her husband was away working. Don't act like this BS doesn't exist in your world, It does and it is more frequent than you all think!!.

[@Cucumber957]

As you sow, so you reap. Sow crummy ideas like Tikanga and primitive tribal values and dumbed down identity, and that conditions the children downward into the tribal culture. The original purity of the child gets strangled by the adult's cultural nonsense, pride and bad habits.

[@rossdixon5050]

anyone been arrested yet for the murder of baby ru?

[@Bebedollie]

Or the kahui twins

[@gatewaygames2153]

and not much has changed... has it

[@Mary.Quantum426]

The only thing that has changed is that it is not reported on, if they (the media) can possibly get away with it, with a lot of it hidden, so we are not hearing much about it these days. It's quite sad to see it is still happening but not surprised.

[@hariseldon3786]

Denise, we know its complex so you are saying nothing. In fact the argument "its complex" is used again and again as a deflection from confronting 'up front' cultural issues. You're "hedging your language" approach is contributing to delaying solutions or redirecting resources toward 'easier and less helpful' strategies: as has so often been done over the years. Show some courage.

[@Thebuilder-v7q]

When you have children you as the parents need to understand that you should strive to be better than your parents, you need to stop the drugs, stop the booze, be a good role model for your children and stop blaming others for your stupid decisions

[@MissStrawb29]

I agree with what you’re saying but stopping drugs and booze isn't exactly easy to stop if people are addicts or alcoholics.

[@Thebuilder-v7q]

Then you should not be having children The children will be screwed @@MissStrawb29

[@kelbatt7729]

1000% correct. every person can change their life- if they want to.

[@jenniehaxton1240]

Same old mantra Maori Children are abused and murdered their supposed caregivers close ranks zero accountability

[@christopher8022]

' Laws,......there must have been programs that have worked.... Yes the the young men and women who chose to serve in the military were fantastic, and generally extremely capable....

[@glassini]

Family violence by Veterans is prevalent, plus drugs, alcohol, medication abuse compounding PTSD makes it the most terrifying experience children and spouse cam go through. Compound that with Veterans needing other veterans suffering similar and you have a living hell from which you and your children may escape physically but which affects them in an enormous range of ways for their entire lives.

[@suphraphonic]

WOW ! A univesity Proffessor claming that maori's problems are self imposed !!! that is why the chiefs signed the treaty ........ to save their race .

[@kitgoldsbury9363]

We have plenty of people like Prof Wilson that can tell us what the problem is. But why don't we have anyone who can tells us precisely what we can do about it? What will work? Or are we incapable of being honest by saying that no one knows? Just what is a Maori solution for Maori? It sounds good, but what does it mean and what does it involve? No one ever expresses that with any clarity.

[@brucegibbins3792]

Your comment makes a lot of sense. My response is that race harmony can never honestly exist while Northern Hemisphere imperatives and ambitions that can be described crudely as the strong survive and the weak go to the wall, and is described perhaps more e.oquently in Darwins theory of natural selection. True equality of races and opportunity has not, does not and will not exist. This has become glaringly obvious to our modern eyes her in Aotearoa-New Zealand. When two very different peoples are made to share the same motu where one is more scientifically advanced than the other, it's a certainty that friction will arise. In New Zealand the land wars that resulted from the capricious British almost guaranteed that race harmony from real equality would be little more than wishful thinking and presentation. When some of us believe from our own misfortunes in life is because we are being disadvantaged by benefits extended to Maori should perhaps do some reading on the matter and discover that New Zealand Pakeha have on average a better standard of living than Maori. In most countries where a native people have been colonized by a European power it's not the colonisers that have been disadvantaged. Seventeenth central colonizing in the Caribean was initially characterized by a planned genocide of the indigenous Carib Indians. When a more technically advanced people run headlong into tribal societies there is initiated, mayhem and murder of the existing inhabitants. Where New Zealand is concerned and the legal killing is no more and betrayal by duplicity has largely ended, there remains a terrible legacy that the descendants of the country's native people are still expected to pay..

[@mo-p6x]

Everything is Capt. Cook's fault... but why is assault a race issue, a fist hitting a woman or child is still a fist. The fist bleeds red blood as with the child that is hit. There is a lot of excuses and little ownership. They state stats. but how factual is the data. The same people also run their mouths on the gangs, how good they are, look at the gangs' attitude to woman.

[@christopherwalton1373]

I didn’t hear anything even close to a solution, what if anything have these professionals learned in 30yrs? Sounds like they’ve made it worse and ‘ not my fault’ attitude

[@valeriehughes1008]

These are the people that TPM and the two Willies tell us are peaceful people who lay about in the sun, fishing and singing and not violent at all LOL... totally discounting their history of over 30 years of utu wars when they wiped out 1/3 of their own Maori population and committed genocide on the Moriori... it is so easy to blame everything on the arrival of the European but the truth of it is they would not have survived many more years of utu with smaller tribes only surviving in slavery to the larger tribes. The utu raids were all about land grabbing, slavery, kidnapping and raping of women and cannibalism. The more peaceful tribes were delighted with the treaty as it saw a hope of survival for their people with protection given to them by the Crown. The trouble is instead of knowing their history, learning from it and moving on to ensure better lives for themselves they have latched on to the Activists' rewrites of our history leaving out the utu musket wars completely and claiming the arrival of the European was all the problem... however their own Chiefs meeting in Kohimarama in the 1860's spoke about their lives after 20 years living under the treaty and the majority spoke out to say they were trading, setting up businesses and without the fear of utu and cannibalism their tribal numbers were growing.. Until Maori young know exactly who they were and know their true history (their own tribal history records the horrors of the utu wars) nothing will change. The Activist continue to paint Maori as victims blaming everyone else. Responsibility for your own actions is not taught by Maori. Having ancestors, amongst the first NZ Settlers who were attacked and eaten by Maori - it is possible to know the bad and hard times, accept, forgive and move on.... our family has managed to do it.

[@aletheabaldwin6612]

A really good perspective, thank you

[@Mislandlife]

Wow, that's a huge speil there Valerie, how long have been holding that in? Is that your own work? Did you copy and paste all that or did you use AI?

[@valeriehughes1008]

@@Mislandlife I do not cut and paste anything... at 80 years of age and having studied NZ history for the last 64 years, reading archival records held in NSW, NZ & England, reading as many early authors as I could find recounting life in early NZ of the European and Maori ...and listening to tribal histories of the people... Add to this the fact that I have researching and assembling massive family trees of many early settlers and Maori families. I feel have a fair knowledge of what early life in NZ was like for the European and Maori.... Many of the elders born in the 1860's were still alive when I was a child and I spent hours listening to many of the stories they had to tell.

[@eileencoulter6263]

​@@Mislandlifeobviously you don't like to read the truth,maybe it's time for you to learn your heritage and move on as a new Zealander,hope you will read what governor Hobson uttered after the sigbingof the maori cheifs that where left,he said" he iwi tahi tatou "in English " we are now one people this is what maori wanted "peace"

[@Mislandlife]

Wow Valerie, 80 years old and all that knowledge under your belt....what are you doing wasting it on here. Write a book, leave a legacy, clocks ticking.....

[@macunion1225]

would have been good to talk to Dr Pita Sharples about this , he was a very honest and caring man . before you can fix a problem you first have to identify it . well done

[@lydiascl]

If you keep telling people they are victims of historical events, and they have no agency except to rely on the government/charities... 🤔 If you keep telling that group of people that it's not their fault; it's their generational situation, lack of help from others.. 🤔

[@valeriehughes1008]

And.... if you have Maori Elite who fatten their pockets claiming Maori are victims nothing will change. Most of these Elites like Willie Jackson (8% Maori blood) have made a rich man's living for themselves by keeping Maori victims in order to milk the country endlessly claiming Maori as "victims".

[@lindamckenzie6500]

Yes Why is a good question!

[@madiemikaere353]

Because it’s cultural. You have to change the culture and you can’t do that through legislation. The people within the community need to change it. Once we’re warriors was my childhood too. We’ve seen maori family refuse to help police when children die.

[@PeterMorris-rn4sd]

Its time that maori faced up to their responsibilities and professers stoped making excuses by saying it is a multilayered issue. If you live as a victim with a falsely perceived veiw that you are a warrior you will be voilent.

[@brentmarshall928]

The "victim " mentality is alive and well in Maoridom, and it is destructive and traps them. Nobody else and no system is responsible for Maori Family violence. The fault lays within maoridom and nowhere else.

[@ttamihana7879]

You know this by experience...no you don't, you know Jack Shyt so fk up !!

[@waldopepper4069]

from my observation maori seem to be a physically violent warrior race with no physical wars left to fight in a modern age. that violence served them well hundreds of years ago, when invasion and conquest and savagery was the way of the world, but the world has changed, and those battles are no longer there to be fought. we no longer carry on like that - instead we have the rule of law to resolve differences. and women have rights now, where as previously they did not. this seems to fly in the face of moari tradition, that women simply do as they are told. so it would seem that maori men, frustrated by the modern age, now direct that inherent centuries old violence inward on their women and their children. its very very sad. i don't know what the answer is, but i feel really sorry for kids of any race growing up in violent households.

[@robertmccabe8632]

Epigenetics at work. Sin and it's fruit at work. Owning your liabilities and "growing-up" requires the facing the sinful nature of mankind and embracing Yeshua solution.

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

It's the warrior gene... Bit of a worry 🤔

[@lindamckenzie6500]

You may have hit the nail on the head!

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

Maori aren't the only group with a history steeped in war, my ancestors were in gunfights with the British army on the streets of their cities in Ireland as recently as the 70's, yet nobody would excuse an Irishman for being violent by saying he must have the "warrior gene"

[@waldopepper4069]

@@AmonAnon-vw3hr i dont recall suggesting it as an excuse, simply my observation on the culture, as evidenced by the first 3 words i used in my post. as to wether its an "excuse" or not for violent behaviour, others can debate that. but to your point, i dont think anyone would suggest that the irish have a "warrior gene". the irish have fought bravely for freedom and their rights when needed as have most other races, but thats quite different to regularly beating your wife and kids due to having a "warrior gene" as you put it.

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

All over the world, people who are poorly educated, insular, unsophisticated and have what could be deemed a peasant mentality tend to use violence and intimidation. Sad fact.

[@kelbatt7729]

all over the world Europeans have moved to new countries , subjugated the natives and robbed the countries of their natural wealth. the subjugated natives who have no wealth because they have no land, live in poverty and experience everything that causes. Another fact.

[@peterwiles1299]

There is a desperate need to establish once and for all, whether the incidence of the gene mutation that is linked with psychopathy is higher in the Maori population (and possibly in the Polynesian population) than the general population. If it is, then the reasons for these statistics becomes immensely clearer.

[@hermitpermit2553]

Which specific gene mutation is that? There is no one gene or mutation that is responsible for psychopathy

[@peterwiles1299]

The MAOA gene.

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

The warrior gene! Bit of a worry 🤔

[@Mislandlife]

So does the term 'general population', refer to everyone else in NZ or WHOLE WORLD?

[@glassini]

​​@@MislandlifeIt refers to the Whole World as this MAOA gene was first discovered in a Finnish Family with a Multigenerational crime and violence history.

[@Oceanfoxy]

We have to talk about the All Blacks, when I worked in their bar it was widely spoken about that when we lose their is violence in the home as a result. Nz is not prioritising woman’s and children’s safety

[@robertmccabe8632]

Sport is a waste of energy. Food Housing Energy. Are the three priorities for a judeo-christ ian based society. Seclarism and embracing pagan atributes; only causes societal decay.

[@mrpaisleyshirt]

Here we go again, another intellectual, professor, whatever, spouting the same old regurgitated hot air. And again, someone else who fails to hold my attention for the entirety of the discussion. Anyway, these people will never change, even when it's their own kind trying to do something about it.

[@MacOne53]

3 things I don't have in common with maori. Don't bash the wife, don't bash the kids, don't bash the dog.l

[@mephistofleece]

Can this lady stop throwing Maori names that we don't understand into this conversation? I thought we have reversed the maori names to English already. As a Middle Eastern Kiwi I fully understand English but none of these maori names.

[@StGammon77]

Totally agree

[@marshallgarrett1593]

My wife worked for seven years at early start in Christchurch working with families dysfunctional et cetera and that was across the board. And I have continue to operate successfully. I think well the situation is very complex in so many ways as a professor quite rightly says very laid situation and lots of cases I think also we must face up to the reality of the family, mother, father, bringing up children often families unfortunately are broken up fathers are not present and they crucial, but obviously the issue of violence needs to be addressed and the deep root causes of that which can be generational

[@StGammon77]

Generational pressure on maori kids to feel like victims and fight fight fight for stolen land by dirty colonisers is a problem that stems from the Waitangi Tribunal which was a big mistake that ruined the excellent race relations we once enjoyed.

[@Jen-oq1bq]

Denise is a wonderful intelligent professor who is highly knowledgeable on this topic... Listen to her

[@kelbatt7729]

she might be knowledgeable but has she ever walked a mile?

[@jonnkarlsson2362]

Violence is popular everywhere 😢

[@aletheabaldwin6612]

Yes, not just physically, verbal, psychological etc

[@bronwynsearle2117]

Narcissist culture.. nothing will change until they stop practising it.

[@nzreggae2534]

When the British ran Jamaica it had one of the lowest murder rates in the world. Considered a very safe place. According to Wikipedia, Jamaica had the highest murder rate in the world in 2022.

[@koro287]

Thank God they did, or we have no Bob Marley.His father was white as snow and served there.

[@nzreggae2534]

How convenient that Maori were angels before Europeans lived in NZ. Was that claim in the training for the position this woman holds. Crystal Methamphetamine doesn't help anyone with regards to having a healthy mind, healthy lifestyle, calm mind and body. It is aggression in a bag. Most people have some experience observing its effects, including deaths. No one should be drinking alcohol either. The claim that colonisation is the cause of Maori aggression towards each other, women and children is just too black and white for me to consider realistic. I can't say it is completely untrue but it does rhyme with all the other dishonest scapegoating of European people especially by white guilt grievance industry professionals who earn off that sort of rationale. Unaffordable housing and less natural social cohesion is a recipe for disaster in this time.

[@pietdebeer7972]

What does a 'for maori by maori' solution look like?

[@Starlight-mp4pk]

I listened to this whole interview live and I’m not convinced this lady, however well intentioned she may be, had anything of value to add. The peppering of her speech with Maori words was also annoying, not to mention sloppy - genuinely bi-lingual countries do not do this, in fact it is frowned upon as sloppy practice. Either speak English or speak Maori (I recommend the former if you want to communicate effectively).

[@avpr1574]

Maori can't and will not save themselves from themselves. Ever. For Maori it is the 3x stat compared to another demographic pretty much for all negative stats. Why doesn;t this woke person just admit that Maori intervention just doesn;t work. Imagine if we gave Maori water.

[@Theresaisabiologicalwoman]

Man up....

[@johnhewson8478]

I watched once were warriors movie and it was a reflection of my own family and I am white, so I do have a hard time understanding why the poor maori are so downtrodden as they are not the only doing it tough. Out of every 100 thousand 26 maori children,11 european children so if my math is correct maori population is 904100, 234 victims compared to european population of 3.3 million 363 victims but the still focus on the maori population it be focusing on all the population

[@SoldierofGod888]

This is a problem for all people of different cultural backgrounds not just maori but media like to highlight the percentages of maori when I was growing up it was also happening in European families but it was never documented by news media

[@Bebedollie]

Exactly 💯

[@brucegibbins3792]

World wide distribution of, Once Were Warriors, extended to the remote island of Bermuda - a British overseas territory The movie was being screened while I was staying on the island with my daughter and her family.. My presence on the island drew more, but still limited, attention than usual New Zealand has an international reputation because, who doesn't know about the All Black's and the America Cup yacht race. The state of our quickly deteriorating race relations were well hidden behind postcards showing smiling native wahine cooking Kai in woven flax baskets in the North Islands thermal region. For decades, The Government Tourists Board has done a wonderful job of presenting New Zealand as a country of race harmony and equality. The delusion was about to be given a shot of reality as our perfect paradise was exposed to a new political reality.

[@jgjfaulkner]

People are stopped from having pets if they neglect, treat them badly …. Unfortunately we let the worst of society breed like rabbits.

[@3gok838]

I am always hearing that 'maori' have poor health outcomes. If you are living around stress and violence for decade after decade of course you are going to suffer serious health problems. Human bodies are not designed to tolerate those levels of stress over prolonged periods of time.

[@kelbatt7729]

ongoing poverty and lack of means to improve situation creates stress too.

[@5150show]

Hamilton Abuse Intervention project had very good results I remember reading about recently

[@GrantasaurusRex]

Just going to get worse. Tracks nicely alongside the sense of entitlement and poor attitude towards the law.

[@danielthomas8507]

what do we expect when your dealing with people less tha 200 yrs out of the stoneage.........basically aniamals

[@ourpeople-g7r]

Had the maoris even discovered the wheel before the Europeans arrived in New zealand?

[@Homemade1772]

Once were warriors has been band in NZ - However you can still view in Australia

[@TheCastleMV]

Perhaps, Professor, the solution is in Michael's opening statements: If New Zealand's Asian community is at the more desirable end of New Zealand's family violence statistics then perhaps they are the community to consult for a pathway to reduced family violence for New Zealand's non-Asian population.

[@OneGodApostolicnz]

Those Maori in the statistics stated, refuse to accept their own failures by continually blaming colonisation, the Govt, oppression, racism and any other cause they like to invent, for all their woes. Its their culture that drags them back to their pre 1840 characteristics of idolatry, tribalist totalitarianism, superior warrior psyche along with the many other aspects of the stone age superstitions of tikanga, wrapped up in spirit-ism not spirituality. The problems originated from those abhorrent practices which some are imprisoned by and pass on to the next generation. Where are the wise elders such as Waka Nene, Carrol, Buck and Sir Aparana Ngata who embraced and supported a christian approach; do unto others as you would have them do to you.. You don't have to be a christian to recognise common sense.

[@MyAncestorsCameByBoat-nd1lf]

Our Anglo Saxon culture is a pretty shitty culture that forced our beliefs around the world. The motherland ( England) is and always have been a war mongering nation and we love it and no one is going to stop us!!

[@kelbatt7729]

My wife says "yes what happened with colonization was very bad for Māori, but there are lots of programs and free or low cost education around now and ANY person can improve their lives with effort. But putting in effort is the hard part , want your life to get better ? pull finger.

[@kj1483]

"A Litany of Sound Revisited" .. new book by AUT Professor of Māori Health Denise Wilson , was designed to be easily accessible and pulled all that was known about family and sexual violence into one place. It is a road map for eliminating family and sexual violence among Māori. "It's not just physical or it's not just psychological or emotional things that we need to think about - it is about our taiao [environment]; it is about our whānau." Wilson said the book unpacked how we got to where we are today. "with colonisation, what [used to be] everybody's responsibility and obligations to look after one another moved behind closed doors."

[@musselchee9560]

Years ago, I worked with a Macedonian man and I met an Irishman. Both said the domestic violence depicted in Once Were Warriors happens in their culture too. There is enough news bulletins of females and children being murdered from every walk of life that highlight domestic violence is caused by the feebleness of weak males. The perspective of the two Europeans mentioned above is that family violence is in all cultures. They were appreciative of Once Were Warriors for showing the true nature of family violence and putting it out there for discussion.

[@timshields8720]

Yuuuuuuup

[@mattyallen3396]

Once for warriors is a tea party compared to what happens.

[@paulnoble7420]

where are Iwi leaders, Maori Party on this - other than calling everyone racist or crapping on about colonialism? We all know its a problem -, why cant it be dealt with. creating warm strategies does not work - we need action!

[@kenmckay5578]

Most of us would be called racist even talking about the violence in maoridom , but its not the majority of maori , but still a fair percentage that resort to violence or intimidation when displeased . I would like to think of it more as a cultural weakness or floor , but violence and aggression has historical links going through many many generations too .

[@nzreggae2534]

Are the other Pacific islands with Polynesian warriors run by evil colonisers? What are the family violence rates in Polynesian and Melanesian islands run by Indigenous natives? I have had charity collectors knock on my door multiple times asking me to donate money on repeating auto payments to end family violence against women in the Melanesian islands. Maybe Papua New Guinea or some place like that.

[@bumblebee8653]

The good tax payers of New Zealand and Australia prop up all the islands you mention with millions every year, so they can maintain their lifestyles on the beach, in the sun. Grow up.

[@roihopk9236]

In Te Taitokerau, signs were erected everywhere saying "protect our whakapapa" and get your covid 19 vaccination now. Hone Harawira made a lot of money in Kaitaia jabbing Maori more than once, offering McDonald's vouchers and money.

[@mrmeeseeks6787]

My family are mostly Maori and I'd say a big problem is not just a cultural thing but the fact the justice system likes to let them go free after extreme violent crimes. I know guys who have stabbed 3 people and been freed in a year, cut hands and feet off and was free in a couple months. Armed robbery with an illegal and illegally modified shotgun and got 2 weeks. It just serves to embolden the problem and frankly i suspect many people in power both politically and private sector want it that way.

[@trentkemsley3950]

Unfortunately regardless of race, a family without a present/or active father suffer. Early conception an a hate towards the world keeps the cycle going. People need to teach there kids, yes I may have had it hard but I want to right my wrongs, not push their kids down their same path.

[@cliffedward]

There will be no end to the cycle of their violence. It's in their psyche. How many Maori or Polynesians are dominant in golf, tennis, swimming, cricket? Not many, if any. They tend to go for the contact sport like Rugby, Rugby League, Boxing, Cage Fighting. They all have the element of violence. On the subject of "Once Were Warriors". I remember the author of the book Alan Duff had death threats after the release of the movie.

[@bunning63]

No, no! It's a lie, it's CIS white males. Marama (of the Watermelon Party) wouldn't lie, it's the Pakehas fault. When I worked in forensic mental health, we had some Maori clients that would watch 'Once Were Warriors' repeatedly. When asked they said it reminded them of 'home'. Wonderful appreciation of culture.

[@Drifty325i]

You can tell she’s out of ideas. Must be bloody hard knowing what the real reason is and unable to say it due to woke ideology

[@brianrassie3526]

Its just a part of

[@cathrynfaith735]

Perhaps the interventions that have helped non-Maori (if they have) could be utilised or are these stats simply another way to divert from Pakeha violence which recently locked down a nation.

[@michaelcornell55]

Nothing has improved because it is a multi layered problem! It's complex! With that view nothing will ever change. How many children have witnessed a homicide? Just excuses.

[@kelbatt7729]

Not many witness homicide but a lot witness extreme partner violence. I saw the following cycle many times in my childhood, goes something like this; It's Thursday night, bennie payment just came in ,can buy some food but cant pay the power this week cause it' $300.00 got enough for a box and a bullet though, oh well lets get wasted so we don't have to think about the power bill ,later that night after alcohol has done it's thing an argument starts about who's gonna pay the power bill- then mum gets bashed up again. Low income/poverty is one of the reasons for it. But lack of health and wellbeing support, education and employment opportunities through early years is the root cause.

[@jasonstechman5841]

Not talking about the will not

[@PeteThecurious100]

Maori family violence and mental health issues will decrease after there is "The referendum" which should vote to make Maori equal in human value and privilege to all the other cultures that live here side by side. To prove the theory check out how asimilated Maori live in Australia.

[@allaboutstress]

The solution is multi levelled but nothing is ever done except talk talk talk and for the fancy named government funded groups to protect their jobs: Maoridom means individual Iwi. The results of individual Iwi can be recorded. Which Iwi is getting the best for its people and which are the worst? Standards only exist because someone is willing to uphold them. If the individual noble chiefs are not interested, the people are not and the collective community is not, And the brutal violence stays the same, for another 30 years. Each Iwi is responsible for their own and their own collective pride. No one can do it for them. But the solution worth trying would require 100% commitment from every level, or not at all. Examples of good leadership and inspiration at the highest level of Maoridom is uninspiring.

[@mxvega1097]

Being able to cite only one small programme in Hamilton as a success is hardly a ringing endorsement of the approach. It would seem it doesn't replicate, scale, or have reportable results. tl:dr - academics have no interest in tracking success. This is literally true. It sounds like the same stuff from 30 years ago, with a couple of adverse events thrown in - covid etc - which will always happen - recession, cyclones, earthquakes. Where are the successes? They certainly exist, by the 10s of thousands - in the urban middle class. Academics and public health researchers don't track them because - by definition - they're no longer a problem, or a public health matter. They are successes, and yet researchers have no idea who they are, how they got there, what worked, what didn't and how to advise on public policy to reinforce that success. As to event specificity making everything worse, how about some proper tracking data for social dislocation in Christchurch post-earthquake vs (say) Hamilton post-covid?

[@brucestevenson683]

This woman seems to offer almost zero insight into WHY ???

[@lornz5374]

this is just a great big waffle fest...laws didn't ask any penetrating questions about why this was happening...and if he did...no doubt she would have said 'colonisation'...and it would all get blamed on you and me ....she didn't offer any concrete solutions but mentioned a whole lot of maori organisations who didn't seem to be connected..so they were working in isolation...and we were given no idea if any of them had any success..i learnt pretty much nothing i didn't know before...11 minutes of my life i"ll never get back...

[@Sal9499]

Same old shit.......lots of "um"s ,what everyone is scared to talk about is why is the Maori race so quick to use violence?

[@Rogsmith4]

Another lip service no change

[@joannamacfarlane5404]

Prof. Wilson is just waffling - waste of time - nothing is getting any better, and of course COVID is to blame 😂😂😂

[@lander783]

maori only make up 6% of the pop obviously if you take maybe 1.5 or 2% of maori that are playing up my question is the rest of the nation which is 96% in actual fact would outnumber maori in criminal activity and abusive households by a huge margin i wouldn't believe you for a second if your trying to tell me out of the 96% of ppl in this country that are non maori are perfect angels then id call bs ...so obviously there has to be a huge percentage of baddies out of the 96% of non Maori that makes perfect sense to me anyway

[@kelbatt7729]

Incorrect -Māori approx. 17% of population, Asian 15% PI 8% European 70% ( some crossover)

[@lander783]

@@kelbatt7729 so heres the funny thing about that its been "Quoted" 6% and fought over just so we can highlight maori are a minority in capital letters even at 17% and of that 17 percent the actual number would still be very low if your talking crime and criminals

[@harrybaker6219]

17.5 %

[@lander783]

@@harrybaker6219 17% according to the other guy ...

[@gregwaghorn8496]

Its in there blood. Once were Warriors, is everyday living in NZ. No actors there... Natives have only lived in civilisation for 180 years. The genetics will take hundreds of years to develop. Same in Australia and America.