Professor George Jelinek Interview (Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis Handbook)

George Jelinek is the first professor of emergency medicine in Australia and has over 150 scientific publications. He was diagnosed with MS in 1999 and promotes evidence based lifestyle advice in MS. He is the founder of the nonprofit overcoming multiple sclerosis
His latest book: Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis Handbook
Link: www.amazon.com/Overcoming-Mul...
I (Brandon Beaber) am the author of Chapter 1.
Conflict of interest statement: I was not compensated except for two free copies of the book.
Most of the contributors have MS and various forms of expertise
One of the editors is professor Jelnek's wife Dr. Sandra Neate who is also an emergency medicine doctor
Comment or ask questions below! I would be happy to answer!
Subscribe on KZbin for more videos every Wednesday!
Make video requests in the comments section!
My book "Resilience in the Face of Multiple Sclerosis" on Amazon: www.amazon.com/dp/B07WP7H5LK
Dr. Brandon Beaber is a board-certified neurologist with subspecialty training in multiple sclerosis and other immunological diseases of the nervous system. He is a partner in the Southern California Permanente Medical Group and practices in Downey, California (South Los Angeles). He has several publications on MS epidemiology and has participated in clinical trials for MS therapeutics. You can follow him on twitter @Brandon_Beaber where he regularly posts about MS news and research.
Follow me on twitter: / brandon_beaber
Music: INNER GRACE - Copyright 2018 Wilton Vought Source: Really Really Free Music Link: • Video T
he video material by Dr. Brandon Beaber is general educational material on health conditions and is not intended to be used by viewers to diagnose or treat any individual's medical condition. Specifically, this material is not a substitute for individualized diagnostic and treatment advice by a qualified medical/health practitioner, licensed in your jurisdiction, who has access to the relevant information available from diagnostic testing, medical interviews, and a physical examination. To the extent that Dr. Beaber endorses any lifestyle change, behavioral intervention, or supplements, the viewer should consult with a qualified healthcare professional to determine the safety and efficacy of the intervention in light of their individualized information.

[@jonijohnson5110]

Dr. Beaber - you mentioned "Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis" by Dr. Jelinek and I bought it. I changed my diet and focused on ideas in the book. I am eating whole foods, vegetables and I chose to eat salmon. I am feeling very good. Fatigue is reduced and symptoms have improved with less disability overall. I am looking forward to reading the new book. I really want to thank you Dr. Beaber and also Dr. Jelinek for this information. Thank you most of all for encouraging me and giving me real HOPE. : )

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

Thanks Joni. I hope OMS works well for you.

[@kayleendunn6198]

Just found this interview. I think I have been following the 7 rules accidentally! I am so much improved from initial diagnosis. Have just ordered the book. God bless us all. Such a difficult illness.

[@FreshSpirit10]

22 years afflicted with MS, I appreciated hearing him. Yes, yes, yes about the meditation. It has helped me amazingly. I have practice intergrated medicine. Other than weight I am doing fairly well. That's next. Thanks for this great interview.

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[@BLEEDMOTO]

DOC MY DRA FIANCÉE has been diagnosed with MS RECENTLY.. And the nervous system were already affected and many more she's schedule to under. Lamb stemcell therapy. What else can she do.. Thanks from The PHILIPPINES

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

@@BLEEDMOTO Sorry. I can't give you personal advice here.

[@pattischmitz2680]

@@BLEEDMOTO what is lamb cell therapy? Did it help?

[@ernietollar407]

do you meditate daily? at the same time of day mostly?

[@corilou5273]

How does this channel not get more views? Better, more substantive information in an hour, than I have seen in my 22 years nursing.

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

Thanks!

[@Thereishope33]

People like fluffy stuff but this is amazing stuff for serious people.

[@harddriveusame7248]

There are so many conflicting ideas out about a “perfect” MS diet, I didn’t think it really mattered. Listening to him and the amount of research and data collection involved, I might have to change my mind - and diet. That is a big hard step for me to take.

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

There is certainly no definitive evidence for a specific diet in MS. His philosophy in the book overcoming multiple sclerosis is to make recommendations based on best available evidence. In some sense, it is not practical to demand randomized trials for nutritional advice since they are expensive to perform and unreliable due to poor compliance in the study.

[@hackett1181]

Listening to this made me realize I need to change a few things… also need to encourage my kids to follow some of his advice. Life is more stressful than ever. If it’s just exercise, vitamin D/sunlight and meditation it’s a start to better health. Thank you!

[@Sbannmarie298]

Impressed this is another doc whose parent had MS and it influenced his path.

[@rathernotsay5629]

Hi Doctors. I am a Dr. Beaber patient. My grandfather had MS to the tune of the professor's mother. Grandpa and I were also diagnosed at the same age (37 years old).

[@hriley6044]

Thank you for this interview and your channel! I was diagnosed in 2008 and after the initial "figuring out stage" have been doing well. I recommend your videos to all newly diagnosed people that ask me for advice. This advice is absolutely right. I know the difference it has made in my life: I take a DMT, follow the Mediterranean diet, keep stress low (changed my career to do this), exercise, keep my brain engaged and get good sleep. It is possible to have MS and be healthy. My only struggle is sugar - working on that. 😉

[@shauncoombs1058]

I struggle with sugar as well . I started doing a 16/8 split . Try to avoid those vending machines at work ! Candy bar $1.50/soda $1.75 ! Nope .

[@ernietollar407]

What an inspirational dude! The evidence presents is thuroughly articulated and is compelling. It doesn't feel like an infomercial like some in this field. Also the fact that this info is offered in a precise but comprehensive FREE website makes it feel trustworthy.

[@thetheraine]

thanks Brandon for informing me about George in Australia... where I live, but didn't know of him... but now have through you... lol...Thanks to you both...

[@tonyrogic5411]

Great interview Dr B, I have PPMS and Dr Jelineks first OMS book is like a Bible. I will have to get this new book now. Well done👍

[@waluBub]

Hey Tony - how has your experience of OMS with PPMS been? I myself am very new to this world - but I feel somewhat disheartened by the lack of distinction between PPMS and the more common presentations of MS in the broader conversation. There are recent studies that seem to suggest distinct pathologies in PPMS, so I am curious to know what kind of impact the OMS lifestyle has had for you.

[@SmileyTheAxolotl]

Excellent interview! Thank you so much!

[@Robin-me8fe]

Thanks 2 both of you.

[@TrollinOn22s]

I have had MS since 98 and didn't always take meds but I've always been well enough to work and the only meat I've been eating for over 15 years is poultry which is usually lean.

[@raminaghajanzadeh8998]

Thank you so much for your dedication and all your efforts to bring OMS to be accessible to all. from OMS I learned that most probably I'm suffering from vitamin D deficiency. thank you for hope you given to us.

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

Thanks.

[@LKDelahunty]

George Jelinek's book was the first book I bought after being diagnosed last January. ❤️ I already was eating vegan, but made adjustments to decrease the amount of saturated fats I consumed, as well as increased my vitamin D. I also am taking Tysabri. So far, no progression of symptoms noted, but will have to wait for September to have my MRI to compare to my "baseline" MRI.

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

If you are vegan, you likely have a very low saturated fat diet unless you are eating prodigious amounts of avocado or coconut or something like that. Out of curiosity, for how long had you been vegan prior to diagnosis of MS?

[@LKDelahunty]

@@DrBrandonBeaber I had been vegan for a little more than 3 years. But, looking back, I've likely had MS for a long time before getting the official diagnosis. I know my c-reactive protein levels were incredible low even years before my diagnosis, so I'm fairly confident my inflammation levels are low. I did eat more than my share of avocado haha, but I've practiced more "moderation" lately lol.

[@michaelwhite5255]

@@DrBrandonBeaber I thought ,you might be interested in my daughter's MS diagnosis. She has been vegan for over 30 years and was diagnosed MS at age 45. She refuses to eat fish but is taking Algae oil for the last 5 years. I strongly believe her MS was caused by such a low vitamin D levels of 17 nmol/ L. She is doing very well now, by continuing her WBPF diet, taking 4000IU of vitamin D and completing her Mavenclad dose. Her MRiI 6 months ago not showing any new lesions. She is very active and her depression seems have improved so much. I feel anyone who is diagnosed by MS, the neurologist should assess their vitamin D levels. Unfortunately there still is a lot of ignorance re vitamin D even amongst GP's and neurologist.

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

@@michaelwhite5255 Thanks for sharing. I thing amongst neurologists, the association between low vitamin D and MS is very well known.

[@dougtagg9162]

Thank you for the video. It’s very helpful.

[@rathernotsay5629]

That was a wonderful interview. TY.

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

Thanks

[@desiredecove5815]

Wonderful video Dr Beabs. Ty for this interview with the Professor. #Sharingiscaring

[@haseozenithmaru1186]

Thanks for that

[@kurtaytoros1625]

Thank you

[@kahearne5361]

Fabulous! Thank you for your courage in bringing forward this conversation that may one day become main stream in its approach! Thank you. I have the original book of Dr Jelinek and this new one thanks to you Dr Beaber! Am single and in 2014 had been on a diet very similar and fell off the wagon and figuring out how to adopt practically and functionally OMS as a single woman and the challenges of uninvited isolation and other stresses. Looking forward to the online program one day but in the meantime compelled to do this. No DMT but hx of Copaxone. MRIs just booked for June. Guessing secondary progressive as declined significantly. I have hope overall and this just gave me a strong nudge or kick foward!!! With a strong Christian faith renewed since Covid I am grateful for this added blessing. Thank you again. Kathleen

[@lindavanzwol2643]

Do YOU have MS ?! That is mostly the reaction i get. Since there is no way of telling. Diagnosed 2008, went on the Swank diet, in 2018 i upgraded to OMS ( Swank 2.0 ;-) I have a busy life, 3 childeren, a job,etc So every 2 years i go to the neurologist, and every time she tries to get me on meds, using fear marketing. Denying that diet makes a big difference. Debating my tropical normal vit D level as way to much. And in 2 yrs i go again, to show off how well i'm doing.

[@johnheston7986]

I was diagnosed at 28 and I’m now 31. Fitter now and more athletic than I’ve ever been. 🥊

[@waluBub]

hey John - just for curiosity’s sake, have you taken any DMTs since diagnosis? and if you wouldn’t mind sharing - was your diagnosis that of PPMS or of a relapsing-remitting version? I just turned 27 so your anecdote is particularly poignant to me

[@johnheston7986]

@@waluBub Hi, for the first few years I rejected any medication, but now I take Copaxone (glatiramer acetate). I deviated from the diet for a while and my symptoms got worse, when I stick it it in usually fine although I do made certain exceptions such as a higher fat intake than recommended such as nuts, chicken, avocado and fatty fish. I take 60,000ii vitamin D per day followed with magnesium, K2 and B12, I have heard that certain types of mushrooms are helpful but I haven’t tried those, but Lion Mane is supposedly good and a few others which would be classed as illegal, but show results. I seem to have relapsing remitting MS, my symptoms are leg fatigue (which is another incentive for me to exercise), back discomfort sometime in the spine or muscle area but the biggest blow is that I have a very high IQ, but slow at processing new information and for that reason many employers won’t keep me on because they feel I don’t pick up the training fast enough. I went from financial analysis and accounting with all my certificates to being a security guard in the city for a low salary, which again is why I am considering mushrooms but not yet tested them. The anti inflammatory diet really does help me a lot, I just need to be consistent with it. I know being diagnosed is a bit blow, especially when you see that many people don’t always appreciate what they have. I didn’t smoke, I didn’t consume drugs or alcohol, I kept a healthy diet, I exercised regularly and then at 28 I was diagnosed. I am going to try a new type of bio Resonance Treatment treating which uses a series of vibration to “clean up the body”, I will let you know how that goes.

[@Thereishope33]

Really good stuff many thanks as an MS patient i will actual consider buying his books

[@jirijanouch9350]

awesome job, Doc

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

Thanks

[@arr2820]

Dr Beaber may I ask you a question that I cant find a definite answer for. Is relapsing remitting type of ms mean only definite relapses with 100% of recovery? Or may it be some rare relapses with eyes, for example, with full recovery and some symptoms that are pesistent but not affecting life? I will be very glad if you answer.

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

Some relapses recover 100%, but others can leave varying degrees of residual problems.

[@arr2820]

@@DrBrandonBeaber but can it be considered rrms?

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

@@arr2820 Yes. That is why "remission" is somewhat of a misnomer because people with MS often having significant symptoms during "remission."

[@arr2820]

@@DrBrandonBeaber thanks for reply, doctor. Luckily, I am still living in allmost full remission.

[@fionafenner4582]

I bought the OMS book after my diagnosis and followed it for about 8 years. It turned out not to be the right road for me, however. I’m now on Wahls Protocol and having better outcomes as a result. I believe going back onto red meat and incorporating saturated fat has been a significant contributor to my improved health on WP.

[@JennyBrie2006]

I don't think any one diet is fit any size. I think it is all about the driver of the individual's MS. I think the thing that may be key for most, if not all, is processed foods and lack of moderation.

[@dailyoccasions9539]

I have severe dysphagia. I can’t swallow pills. What vitamin D, B12 and flaxseed oil should I use??

[@lt7587]

It's possible to get vitamin D3 drops, and B12 drops too. Flax oil is fabulous!

[@martinschultz2631]

I really don’t know, he tells not to eat meat. Dr. Wahls says it different and she overcame progressive Ms. So what is to do? Eat or eat not meat. !?

[@karenmutchell5201]

Dr Wahls had HSCT. However, I think her dietary advice is good. Beef liver once per week and the vegetables etc. I think people have food intolerances too and should get tested. Dr Gundry advocates removing vegetables with lectins. Grain and dairy free is important imo due to gluten and casein. Each person has individual needs, but removal of processed food seems sensible, and eating organic foods (removal of pesticides). It’s a minefield. Good luck to you! my son and all with MS!

[@07broly]

It's crazy how I successfully predicted my diagnosis. I was very suspicious of MS approximately a year or so before my actual diagnosis in clinic by a neurologist. I've treid various diets for anywhere from about 1 to 6 months to no avail unfortunately..

[@dermlover1]

Why were you suspicious? What symptoms?

[@victoriaboster1177]

Oh sweetie the typical recommendations are to give yourself 24 months to evaluate any dietary intervention. Good luck to you.

[@07broly]

@GirlyMuscleTV so I was in a car accident, which wasn't too bad for me as I walked right after, but I started experiencing abnormal dizziness, I was experiencing pins and needles in the top half of my body, which shifted to the bottom half of my body after about two weeks. I saw a general neurologist from the accident that suspected, but wasn't sure if it was MS, so it was with his help that made me suspect it although I initially played it off as I had no clue about what MS was at the time. This was all in 2018, by the way. After being officially diagnosed in 2020, in retrospect, I realized that I probably had RRMS since 2017, and it progressed to SPMS in 2019, and I was incorrectly diagnosed with PPMS, although that was corrected in 2021. Crazy story.

[@07broly]

@GirlyMuscleTV I accrued a lot of damage needless to say, and I was okay at diagnosis, but had a rapid onset of symptoms after being put on Ocrevus. I'm about to be 30 next month and I'm already bed bound and since my support system isn't able to help me how I need, I'm not able to do standing exercises, which is allowing to lead my muscles in my legs to atrophy quickly, which you can assume is very bad for my emotional, mental and physical state.

[@07broly]

@Victoria Boster thank you for letting me know, I recently started the Best Bet diet 😁

[@hw7029]

Many infections disrupt lipid metabolism. C.pneumoniae is known to do this, and is also the likely cause of the vascular disease present in PwMS

[@johnpace5195]

Dr. Jelinek says he doesn’t take medicine and also that he does DMTs. Also curious what he would say about vegans who get MS. Dr. Whals did not eat meat for 15 years before getting MS.

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

According to his book, he previously took disease modifying therapy but no longer does. Dr. Wahls was vegetarian but not vegan. Certainly vegans can get MS and I have had vegan patients with MS.

[@kurtaytoros1625]

Can I be a part of the trial in the UK please 🙏

[@Alexander-rq9he]

He doesn’t mention what essential fatty acid that woman was taking. Do you know what that is?

[@roupakali4101]

Hi, great video. Can you advise us how to overcome cognitive fog in ms patient. Thank you

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

I actually did an interview of Prof. Anthony Feinstein [neuropsychiatrist] who is the author of the book Memory and Mood in Multiple Sclerosis. It will be published 2/23/22 (the video)

[@jayelward3577]

🙌 Thank you both for the vid. I follow OMS and can i suggest perhaps an interview with Saray Stancic in future Brandon? Thanks again. 2 years dx and stable following a WFPB diet

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

Thanks for the suggestion. Dr. Stancic is actually one of the contributors to this book (Overcoming Multiple Sclerosis Handbook).

[@jayelward3577]

@@DrBrandonBeaber awesome. Book purchased and will commence reading today ❤

[@peterstrous2092]

Great to hear the whole food plant based diet being supported by Jelinek. Unfortunately still stuck in the hypothesis that fats are causal to MS rather than proteins

[@frankgradus9474]

I know a person who shortly after getting vaxxed for COVID developed and was diagnosed with acute MS. It's not to say vaccination caused MS, but might have been the trigger. It's always of vital importance to make vaccination benefit/risk assessment for every individual. Children of parents with MS should be aware of this. Worthy of note: "New diagnosis of multiple sclerosis in the setting of mRNA COVID-19 vaccine exposure. Acute neurological deficits in the setting of recent mRNA COVID-19 vaccine administration may represent new onset multiple sclerosis - de novo MS diagnoses following recent mRNA COVID-19 vaccination." - a report in the US National Library of Medicine.

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

There are also many case reports of onset of MS after covid-19 illness. I work in a large health care organization with ~80% covid-19 vaccination rate of our members, and we are not seeing an overall increase in new diagnoses of MS. The incidence of MS in the United States is around 5/100,00/year, so with >200 million Americans vaccinated, we would expect >2,000 new diagnoses of MS within 2 months of a covid-19 vaccine (by pure random chance).

[@jasonmace8086]

Happened to me ... although not reported I wonder if reporting lags onset and if so how much?

[@sandranash7032]

I got my diagnosis after the vaccine. Dizzyness got to bad so went to hospital. But I have 20yrs history of leg pain n numbness. I don't know if related yet

[@thehypnotist5779]

Champions.

[@nicolarudge4341]

Is it not true that bone broth helps remylation of nerves?

[@jasonmace8086]

Personally I liked the previous OMS book, with so much research I thought he would have a significant update and refinement of recommendations for instance DMTs. Wish more practical information regarding management of disease severity when to do steroids (what constitutes a flare - based on biology) how might you know your disease is progressive or not .... furthermore I was hoping theoretically (epidemiology) more analysis such as OC bands (certainly hinted at B cells for a long time and only in last ~ 10 years commercial therapy) ... It seems data exists if they would mine patient data (Example - Military & EBV connection) Not a criticism just would prefer "Fresh Eyes" if he was diagnosed today, would he come to the same conclusions? I'm a big fan just want more because he is a good researcher!

[@georgejelinek2089]

There is a whole chapter updating the medications Jason, written by a specialist doctor from the UK. Hope it helps...

[@jasonmace8086]

@@georgejelinek2089 Thanks Dr. Jelinek ... I have purchased the book I have been doing OMS since May although terrible at Meditation ... I like you watched my mother die of this disease didn't think I would be diagnosed 18 years after her death she got it young ~20 ... I was diagnosed last year at 42 (I'm a Medical Physicist that's why I enjoyed your previous book).... So your journey provides me hope but I'm desperate like many for elusive answers ...Thanks for all you do!

[@georgejelinek2089]

@@jasonmace8086 Like you, it was 18 years for me after my mother died… but that said, it’s now 23 years later and I’m perfectly well! It’s completely reasonable to hope for a similar outcome on the OMS Program.

[@barbaradascalos4411]

Doing good for 23 years is just that. MS is for life..unless you are at .2 yearly brain atrophy your ms is still slowly progressing. The latest paper shows even the best DMT Only stop by 3 years progression to disability edss 6. Fact is only hsct gets you to .2 normal brain atrophy..but 20% fail it right off and another 10% fail in time. So it's Not ideal..but best for now.

[@demoskunk]

In that 2 year study of MS patients' diets, how did you know exactly what they ate daily? Were you relying on self-reporting? Or were they all living in a research facility where their meals were controlled? Did the "meat-eater" group eat whole red meat or processed meat? Was it grass-fed or grain-fed? Were they also smokers? What other unhealthy habits (eating sweets, potato chips, etc) did each group of people have? Did you test pasteurized milk vs raw milk? Was that map correlating milk consumption and MS rates including areas where people only drink raw milk? Unless you control for all these factors and get all this data, there's no way you can say that cutting out certain foods controls MS or makes it worse.

[@BLEEDMOTO]

Where can buy/ find the copy of that book

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

Here is the amazon link: www.amazon.com/Overcoming-Multiple-Sclerosis-Handbook-Jelinek/dp/1760878782/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3PZSEHK5PY013&keywords=george+jelinek&qid=1643522924&sprefix=george+jelinek%2Caps%2C128&sr=8-1

[@yeahright2068]

I don’t buy you can’t eat meat. That is just crazy!

[@mattstankiewicz8907]

Goat, chicken, and turkey are low in saturated fats

[@crippledcannabiscowboy8925]

I've been watching you lately. I was diagnosed about 3 years ago. I was a coach. Fitness and martial arts. It was my lovelihood. Now I can't walk. So obviously life has changed to dramatically. It took me out in 3 years. Talk about searching for answers....👀

[@LKDelahunty]

I'm so sorry to hear this. ❤️ I was diagnosed last January. I hope you find healing and something to stop the progression of your illness. ❤️

[@jasonc5289]

People, there is a cure for MS. The Ukraines found it 1987. You want to know where "we" rank? 37th. You can leave the country and get better - BETTER health care. It stumps me. The study I like is from 2017 where "we" rank 54th with Macedonia in 55th. But, that one is from 2017, so, there's that, I suppose.

[@crippledcannabiscowboy8925]

@@jasonc5289 this is interesting

[@jasonc5289]

@@crippledcannabiscowboy8925 You have to eat well, first and foremost. Find a functional doctor, as well. Dr. Wahls, Dr. Gelenick, Matt Embry, the guy from the Cleveland Clinic that leads the functional clinic are some to get started. They have the cure. What we're doing is sick. Good luck to you. It's totally beatable. I'll say it again, our medical system is broken.

[@freethinkeralways]

@@jasonc5289 Thank you! What is the cure found in Ukraine? I would definitely go despite political situation if their treatment makes my MS disappear.

[@shawnmcanthony5724]

Oms diet is an effective diet to treat ms

[@haseozenithmaru1186]

And cold

[@nurtenayaz5193]

Yorumların tükceye çevirimisiniz rıra etsem🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷

[@TheRev0]

Weird that Dr. Jelinek recommends, though reluctantly, diet as the first item to take action on (if you could only do one) rather than exercise when earlier he stated exercise is the factor with the most supporting evidence demonstrating a positive impact on MS disease progression. My interpretation, and I could be wrong, is that Dr. Jelinek has some preoccupation with controlling his diet and is unconsciously biased towards it. And to be clear none of what I said questions the validity of Dr. Jelinek's work. I'm just musing about something I noticed that I found a bit off-putting.

[@georgejelinek2089]

My logic is simple really.... and two fold. First, most people (unless they are unable) undertake quite a bit of physical activity simply getting on with life. So they are already doing helpful things. In contrast the great majority of us eat really badly in the modern era, with processed 'food' that is calorie laden but nutrient-poor surrounding us. Making a major dietary change makes more of a difference then to the status quo than adding more exercise. Second, I don't think I said that exercise has the most evidence demonstrating a positive impact on disease progression per se.... certainly there is a wealth of high level evidence showing that exercise has a positive impact on disease outcomes, and these include quality of life, depression, fatigue and increasing exercise capacity. There is still some doubt about long term progression being affected by exercise although the evidence is suggestive. While the evidence for diet is not as strong, the size of the effect is enormous and directly on disease progression according to suggestive observational studies from many research groups and of course Professor Swank's amazing intervention work published in the Lancet in 1990. And in the end, I prefer, as do most people I know with MS, to do everything they can, including both diet and exercise, as well as the other parts of the OMS Program. Hope that helps....

[@haseozenithmaru1186]

Elevaton

[@jasonc5289]

Good job. Really good job.

[@DrBrandonBeaber]

Thanks Jason

[@RobdeKlerk-qg6lc]

George, another money grabber?