Ancient Mesopotamia Part 1: The Sumerians (4100 - 1750 BCE)

[@sideeggunnecessary]

I always found jt fascinating how their form of recording is literally the only form of writing that becomes more permanent when it is cooked at 500 degrees under a burning pile of building

[@peterwyetzner5276]

Yes, and then there's papyrus which was not only made from reeds that grew along the Nile in Egypt, but preserved by the desert sands that prevailed only a short distance from there; and parchment which is named after the city of Pergamon, which became Alexandria's rival as a center of literary transmission because it had it own source of writing material- the dried skins of livestock.

[@FullFrontalNerdity-e3z]

Beer and sex. Ah, civilization.

[@MyTagYourIt]

Our best ideas come after a good buzz and empty balls

[@tuckerbugeater]

and human sacrifice

[@peterwyetzner5276]

@@tuckerbugeater Ah, but in which order?

[@TiedAlpaca00624]

​@@peterwyetzner5276 hmmmm

[@TiedAlpaca00624]

yes?

[@mikotagayuna8494]

Child: But Father, someone said that our civilization was spawned by ancient aliens. Father: Oh you sweet Sumer child.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

lmao - i see what you did there

[@Albertandearthie]

BILLY CARSON REFERENCE????

[@Albertandearthie]

also haha i see what you did there

[@LoganGarwacki]

Ahhhh noonaky

[@maxmac7845]

It's mindboggling how such a sophisticated society can grow and thrive for a thousand years and more, only to disappear.

[@Ywabag]

Sorry that was my fault I got hungry

[@nick-ht3cn]

The winds of time consume all.

[@lmaolol9357]

Only one explanation... 👽

[@MrLee-cy1pw]

They didn’t disappear though. They're technically still there, they're called Iraqis these days lol.

[@maxmac7845]

@@MrLee-cy1pw I was referring to their writings, culture, cities, etc. Obviously their descendants still exist, unless there was total genocide, or if you're a theist, a worldwide flood, happened in the meantime.

[@asifuzzaman21]

Epic of Gilgamesh also had the flood myth way before Noah's story became part of Abrahamic religions.

[@tinkercrab11]

i remember reading the part with Utnapishtim for the first time thinking, "hey... this is a bit familiar" lmfao

[@terryleddra1973]

Also if I remember there's a snake that steals a branch from the tree of eternal life. Sound familiar.

[@AlbertaGeek]

And before Utnapishtim's flood myth there was Ziusudra's flood myth, and before his was Atrahasis' flood myth. And who knows how much further the "floating farmyard" myth goes back orally?

[@infinidominion]

Its almost like large periodical tsunamis regionally overtake each continent every few thousand years due to next level natural disasters

[@mariades1423]

That's true and there are people who believe the epic of gilgamesh is real but when I read it it read like a story. I always go back to occams razor which says the simplest explanation is probably correct. The simplest explanation is that it's a story. We like to make up stories. Weve been doing it for thousands of years. Story after story after story in millions of books.

[@Engineer-m6s]

What a stunning video, I will definitely support this amazing professor on Patreon.

[@mitzzzu_tigerjones444]

Not enough debunk material on ancient aliens… Thanks for this.❤

[@SpaceLordof75]

We goin’ back to Uruk with this one, boys.

[@yozmesergiu]

Why? Is your mom spreading her legs there?

[@WickedIndigo]

Professor Dave coming in hot with the Sumerian content to even further discredit Billy Carson😂🤘🤘

[@mcdubbin]

I’m really excited for this series!! :) Learning about the Dead Sea Scrolls and ancient Mesopotamian religions in my mid-teens really opened my eyes and started me down the path of deconstruction. Knowledge is freedom 💯

[@BennyAlvarez-d1l]

💯

[@PsychonunBO2]

Sargon of akkad has Been real quiet since this dropped.

[@LyionOfRoses]

Good ❤🥰

[@bellywood7688]

Has he got a KZbin channel?

[@leandromafe]

​@@bellywood7688 Yes, unfortunately. There is a reactionary channel that uses the moniker.

[@LyionOfRoses]

@@leandromafe reactionary is light…he’s just awful in all aspects honestly

[@leandromafe]

@@LyionOfRoses true.

[@jordanfedele8247]

Actually I was talking to the sumarians about wave conjugations and everything the other day

[@BennyAlvarez-d1l]

Wave conjugations AND EVERYTHING lol, yeah the other day Terrence Howard and I got exactly the right angle of incidence of the platonic solid of bisexual carbon and opened up a portal directly to Thoth himself lol👍

[@Tiktaalik59]

@@BennyAlvarez-d1l Remember to swim to the egg guys . . .

[@BennyAlvarez-d1l]

@@Tiktaalik59 OH YEAH that's right, I had to swim past THREE eggs because Terry says sperm are male and female, so therefore EGGS must have sexuality also and I had to swim by those three to avoid being gay lol👍

[@redstig08]

Wow! Professor Dave just summarized succinctly nearly the entire Archaeology of the Near East course I took in graduate school in under 14 minutes.

[@natluskarlsefni6646]

been waiting for this one

[@kawwabonga]

In my school years I was fascinated with Sumer, such a unique civilization whose legacy we still use (e.g. sexagesimal system for time). Unfortunately Internet wasn't widely available then, so it was extremely difficult to find information on it accessible for a kid.

[@keith.anthony.infinity.h]

Omg this video is amazing and so informative! I recently found out I have some family on my mom’s side from Iraq and my cousins teach me some things about the place. So now I can actually have a conversation with them. Thank you for educating me!

[@primarybinaryprimarybinary]

What a coincidence! I'm half iraqi so i been trying to learn about my mesopotamian heritage. Been to the baghdad museum. Even looking into neo pagan reconstructionism. It's mostly out of curiosity! Thanks for this!

[@johnstevens5722]

Yes! Simple and factual history rehashes! I’ve been looking forward to something like this for a while. Can’t wait to get the rest!

[@Wes4T2D]

Thank you Dave for this Video!!

[@koboldgeorge2140]

I read and watch a pretty significant amount of ancient history stuff, and this is actually one of the better summaries of sumerian/Mesopotamian civ that ive encountered. Both surprised and impressed that a science channel put this video together.

[@Gaston-Melchiori]

It is also interesting to analize the ancient egiptian texts. There is a text that talks about the "golden rule" (treat others like you would like to be treated) centuris before the bible did.

[@leandromafe]

The thumbnail had me thinking I had somehow screwed my yt algorithm 😅😅😅

[@elihfisher1059]

LOL RIGHT😂

[@rogerfleuryjr2308]

Yep 😅

[@partlyawesome]

I was thinking the exact same thing!

[@filthycasual6118]

Saaaame.

[@ryanthenormal]

Ditto.

[@LanceHall]

And people have spent their entires live studying this one area.

[@Tired_Patriot]

Wow. These videos are freaking GREAT! They are educational, informative and incredibly entertaining! Thank you for taking the time to make these…,

[@TroyRubert]

Carl is putting in the work

[@richardrichard9785]

All anyone here who is interested in AA theory needs to do is read Atrahasis and the Enuma Elish. Primary sources are always superior when investigating a story-line.

[@plr2473]

The Sumerians came up with sexagesimal number system. Nowadays people count with their fingers on one hand from 1 to 10. But in ancient Sumeria, they counted to 12. They did it by using their thumb to count the segments on the other fingers. There are three segments x four fingers = 12. Then with the other hand they'd use a finger to mark a single 12. Repeat 5 times and you have the number 60. So they made that number the basis of seconds in minute, and minutes in an hour. As for the day, it was divided into two sets of 12 hours, again going back to the number that 12 they derived form a single hand. Really fascinating stuff.

[@scienceexplains302]

In Sumer, they starting using sexagesimal about 2,000 years after their culture started. Since the culture ended about 1750 BCE, most Sumerians probably did not use sexagesimal.

[@AWildBard]

great stuff, thanks!

[@crocodilepoet]

Thank you for the video

[@unrecognizedtalent3432]

Thanks for this Prof!

[@omnilight_xl6324]

I love these videos. This reminds me of another video I watched a while back that talked about Göbekli tepe. It is a nearly 12000 year old structure found in turkey. Would be amazing if you could make a video about it. From what I know, the place seems to indicate that whoever was living at this time and place were in a transitional period from hunter gatherer to the early agricultural society. That's about a thousand years before the earliest recorded evidence of agriculture in the world.

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

that'll be covered in the archeology series

[@omnilight_xl6324]

@@ProfessorDaveExplains ❤️

[@sharktomesmiles]

Thank you I loved this vid Professeor Dave.

[@monkey5476]

Do more of this. I love it

[@Tallorian]

Ancient history was my favorite subject back in school, especially after I had a chance to see some ruins from Classic Antiquity. It's so cool that today's kids get so much better visualized tutorials by educators like Dave. And each passing decade brings new archaeologic discoveries and better understanding of the dawn of civilization. Truly a shame that along also come ignorant grifters with their "aliens". For an unprepared child's mind it might be hard to tell scammers apart from the real science which bases its narratives on a mountain of studies and material evidence.

[@redceltnet]

As a frequent viewer, it was a bit of a surprise to see my own artwork used as your thumbnail.

[@partlyawesome]

How did you feel about Sargon using it?

[@redceltnet]

@@partlyawesome Well, I made it for him. In my defence, it was before he went cray-cray. I have no idea what he's doing with himself now.

[@donaldwhittaker7987]

Good stuff. Thanks.

[@indiecappuccino]

the only youtube intro i geniunly enjoy ✨

[@MossyMozart]

Watch the "Gutsick Gibbon" intro from 1 to about 4i sh years ago. GREAT! She then changed it to a briefer one. B*《 She is a primatology paleontologist PhD candidate who is whip smart, creative, very funny, and well-educated. She specializes in primatology, human evolution, and young Earth creationist debunking (She attended a private YEC school through the middle grades)

[@indiecappuccino]

@@MossyMozart oh wow! thank you!!

[@Bangin0utWest]

You're a good man Dave

[@6YB0]

Dave is nerding out again.

[@AveragePrehistoricalEnjoyer]

Thanks, really need this for my AP (Basically, filipino version of history classes.) lesson.

[@javierlara9708]

Great job with history.

[@brendonpersad]

I was thinking about Sumerians last night and that I would like to watch a video on them... Dave knew

[@Bangin0utWest]

This is so beautiful did they really look like that it's unbelievable

[@oblii5590]

Sargon of Akkad ! Thumbnail bringing some flashbacks

[@TheDZHEX]

looks like he changed it...

[@oblii5590]

@@TheDZHEX oh no 😭

[@eviltrickyspider5266]

The archaeological sites in Turkey are 11 and a half to 12000 years old that's a lot of stories not being told.

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

I cover those in my archeology content. Not enough information to be part of a world history series.

[@brian.the.archivist]

Dad joke coming: Q: Gilgamesh, where did you come from? A: sumer (points), over there Good overview, as always.

[@christophersnedeker]

There's actually some controversy as to whether Ur is the city of Abraham. Some say it's Urfa in Northern Mesopotamia

[@calonarang7378]

I thought Abraham was during the late Akkadian age. Possibly born while sarggon was a king but wasn't by the time he was 40 or 50 maybe.

[@petersage5157]

"...forces the city's young people to labor for him." This feels familiar. At the beginning of the pandemic, our then-ruler decreed that food service workers like me were "essential workers" and could not shelter in place, requiring us to carry travel papers in case we were stopped for violating curfew. Fun times.

[@LilDitBit]

Thanks!!

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

Gilgamesh and Enkidu, at Uruk.

[@diarmuidkuhle8181]

Like the TNG reference Xd

[@MossyMozart]

When the walls fell?

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

@@MossyMozart Shaka.

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

@@MossyMozart Sokath, his eyes open.

[@Nxck2440]

I thought this was a continuation of the anthropology/archaeology series for a moment.

[@altaruss2838]

tbf it kinda is

[@lilcaps]

civilization? as in civ? as in civ v? as in babylon? as in science victory?

[@alexharvey9721]

One thing that's always astonished me is that the Persian Gulf was actually dry land about 10k years ago and only finished flooding about 6k years ago, when cities like Uruk were already developing on its shores. Under the waves, before the flood was one of the most fertile regions in the ancient world, where we know people lived & was fed by at least 4 major river systems, including the two that Sumerian/Akkadian life was lived around. So the oldest known civilization pops up on the shores of a previously more fertile land with pervasive stories describing a great flood and a garden. Not sure why saying such a thing feels so conspiratorial. Might be all coincidence but where do we define the limits for a basis of a hypothesis and is it healthy to discourage conjecture so heavily from the perspective of scientific progress...

[@ryanfritsche9301]

Can't wait for the miniminuteman collab

[@aliasgharnurizadeh2654]

Some theories claim that their languages is similar to Turkic languages and many similar words are common between them

[@ultragamerism2772]

eagerly waiting for the episode of anatolians/hurrians

[@luckyhiker3434]

Prof Dave, how in the world does one go about learning to read this cuneiform language. That appears to be a lifelong pursuit. Learning to read - then interpreting text, establishing timelines, building reliable maps, etc seems like a monumental pursuit of many researches over many lifetimes. If you could share just some insight I would be grateful.

[@donaldwhittaker7987]

55 years ago I read that cuneiform is derived from cunnus which means fertile valley and means also wedge and refers to the shape of female reproductive features. I have no certainty on this but it sounds reasonable.

[@peterwyetzner5276]

Well, it's not as though the term is an ancient one- it's a modern one derived from Latin roots, so we don't need to speculate about its origins. So far as we know, the Romans themselves were unaware of cuneiform's existence; they certainly couldn't read it.

[@scienceexplains302]

“Cuneiform” comes from Latin, “wedge form/shape.” Much of What we read 50 years ago has been superseded by better data.

[@thinkniiji]

I've never been this early😊 Love this guy and his information

[@k-xh3fj]

Make a video on the self proclaimed anunaki

[@ProfessorDaveExplains]

This is a history series.

[@TheKids422]

Professor Dave, make engineering content please, (Mechanical Engineering, Chemical Engineering, Civil Engineering in separate playlists like your other videos, etc), you already know Physics and all foundations. Please!

[@TreforTreforgan]

How accurate would those illustrated city scapes shown in the beginning of this video have been?

[@skun406]

Yeah, I don't think that people in 4000 BC were able (or wanted) to build the mountain buildings like the one at 1:37.

[@TreforTreforgan]

@@skun406 yeah, I wondered the same. Moreover I was just wondering if the footings had been discovered that might point towards the urban sprawl as depicted in those illustrations

[@diarmuidkuhle8181]

We have archeology from several great Sumerian cities. The remains of the foundations of Uruk show a city wall six miles long, and anywhere up to around 80,000 people would have had accommodation within these walls. It was the world's largest city that we know of from the time. The Sumerians also constructed buildings of more than one storey, monumental palaces and temples, which we know both from finds and their own contemporary writings. The illustration has a deal of artistic license, but it isn't wildly inaccurate either. This civilization was very advanced and they had skilled architects.

[@Canaanitebabyeater]

Prof you're awesome

[@reporeport]

hey! i loved this one!!

[@waelfadlallah8939]

So it begins...

[@hyun808]

Love this series !! PLEASE KEEP GOING

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

Is it also possible that cuneiform was based on the Egyptian hieroglyphs?

[@peterwyetzner5276]

The early west-Semitic alphabet (the source of the Phoenician system) has certainly been linked to some of the hieroglyphs, though it works on very different principles.

[@laajos300]

Unrelated to this video, I would find it fascinating if Mr Dave would cover the phenomenom which I suppose Jung coined as synchronicity

[@LukaGrgat]

Will you ever debunk conspiracies about Tartaria?

[@taylornewell-je1zr]

Professor dave isn't all knowing. He memorizes and regurgitates basic high school propaganda.

[@davidkeller6156]

Sargon of Akkad has a birth story almost exactly like what later became Moses’ birth story.

[@davidjukebox]

Yeah, liked that a lot. Enjoy the history of stuff. Also, some science history of would be great. I doth my Dave cap to you, Sir.

[@Facetiously.Esoteric]

The story of Gilgamesh and Enkidu was the first gay Bigfoot erotica in history.

[@MichaelWalker-de8nf]

Awesome!!! Thanks buddy ❤🤘🏻

[@bandotasif]

This should help people that get their history from Ancient Aliens🤦🏻 This is an excellent video, well explained history. There are cities in Iraq like Erbil that have been cities for 6,000 years.

[@abbasfadhil1715]

Why i feel a sense of proud as an iraqi 😅

[@BennyAlvarez-d1l]

💯 Exactly, American's history goes back a few hundred years - Persian civilization goes back THOUSANDS of years.

[@lindensalter6713]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@BennyAlvarez-d1lthere’s a good bit of history here before colonization as well that gives you more than a few hundred years

[@mauandainuralarconm.9121]

Nerd 🤓

[@marcelomeurg]

it was around that time that things really started going bad for the humans

[@robadkerson]

Can you do an episode addressing the absurdity of the book of Mormon origin story?

[@sdff6689]

Please 1+ hours videos.

[@dayagean-yyy]

Hello I am a 12th grade student and I want to become the first in my region. What is your advice for me to become a doctor in the future, God willing?!

[@Bangin0utWest]

One question legitimate real question I have is did they read the tablets left to right?? Like we do or right to left or bottom to top right to left?

[@emceeboogieboots1608]

First case of beer taming a wild man!

[@Rico-Suave_]

Great video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched …… 12:49

[@enumaelish6751]

*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* *"Sumerian Is the World's Oldest Written Language | ProLingo"* *"Sumerian Civilization: Inventing the Future - World History Encyclopedia"* ("The Sumerians were the people of southern Mesopotamia whose civilization flourished between c. 4100-1750 BCE." "Ancient Israelites and their origins date back to 1800-1200 BCE.") *"The Myth of Adapa - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Genesis 1:1-2 --- not a creation ex nihilo"* - Dr Steven DiMattei *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Hammurabi - World History Encyclopedia"* (Hammurabi (r. 1792-1750 BCE) was the sixth king of the Amorite First Dynasty of Babylon best known for his famous law code which served as the model for others, *including the Mosaic Law of the Bible.)* *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? *"Retired bishop explains the reason why the Church invented "Hell" - Ideapod"* Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"* *"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"* *"Eridu Genesis - World History Encyclopedia"* *"The Atrahasis Epic: The Great Flood & the Meaning of Suffering - World History Encyclopedia"* Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"* (8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science) *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei

[@john-tr8jy]

Dave, what do you think of Robert Sepehr's work?

[@d_fendr6222]

Wow!

[@blekkmark]

Come on Sir, you can't spit out quality videos all the time, there is no time to do anything else :)

[@Error_404_Account_Deleted]

Where does Gozer the Gozerian show up? He was really big in Sumeria

[@peterwyetzner5276]

Well, only because when people asked him if he was a god, he said "Yes. Yes I am."

[@TasTheWatcher]

Ooh, boy, I can't wait to get to the part with the aliens 😁

[@cullenmacgillivary6669]

Let’s send all the joe rogan listeners to this video

[@iandaley2295]

They're busy looking for kitty litter in school bathrooms

[@iknovaya2024]

The first Emperor, before the world wide flood is not mythical. It was the civilization before Noah. The long age was not his age. But his dynasty.

[@AlbertaGeek]

There was no Noah and no world-wide deluge.

[@John-cr2tn]

I worship the goddess Nincassi the Sumerian goddess of beer

[@Tiktaalik59]

I hope that Carson stops by and learns something . . .

[@ThePhysicalReaction]

Mesoppotamus

[@verizonextron]

ticle

[@GrayWilliamsCox-h8z]

ticle

[@l33tsp34k]

Ticle

[@Cluterpunk]

ticle

[@bellywood7688]

Tickle?

[@vimaladevishanmugam5943]

Ticle

[@cspahn3221]

Enkidu is so real for that

[@BennyAlvarez-d1l]

Enkidu was a badass, Gilgamesh was an opportunistic jerk and egomaniac.

[@thedragonslayer8132]

I especially hate him for killing Rider​@@BennyAlvarez-d1l

[@jordopia]

Did Ziggurats get as big as the ones pictured?

[@sideeggunnecessary]

Who is that well-groomed man at the end of the video? Your brother, perhaps? 😂

[@elihyland4781]

coooool

[@inbracedefeat]

Its so crazy to me that these ancient civilizations, some of the first agricultural city states in human evolution, had a concept of 'ancient myth' or stories so old that even they don't fully understand the origins of. Its becoming increasingly clear to me that a huge flood did indeed occur, and we did indeed loose knowledge and development as a result. The actual extent of lost knowledge is very debatable and I highly doubt they were chilling with flying cars or even gears or mechanics, but they absolutely could have been at or near the same level as say an ancient egypt, just thousands of years earlier than what we think. Gobeli Tepe is just scratching the surface I think. I think it likely that Turkey was not impacted by the flood as much as other parts of the world and why we see structures so old from there.

[@Tiktaalik59]

So, all of the experts say that there was no huge world wide flood but you disagree . . . you know how we know about ancient floods? They leave deposits. Evidence.

[@StructuralEngineer-e3m]

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