Profitec GO vs Rancilio Silvia!

[@LifestyleLab_]

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[@jonathanromo2305]

Profitce go: -PID -Insulated boiler -Manomeneter -Larger drip tray -Faster steaming -Adjustable brew pressure Rancilio: Water button…

[@LifestyleLab_]

Yeahhh… like I said, this one got a little lopsided. Normally my head to heads are a little more competitive

[@woxiduswoxidus1167]

big minus for profitec go - pid and gauge placement- all water drops, coffee puck tunneling streams and steam release vapor went on these surfaces -coming from group hot steam may cause damages on gauge or (and) pid. -seems small height for higher cups if scale is used -aftermarket support very fresh machine -fast warmup started sw ver 1.06 silvia looks like outdated and overall profitec go worth extra cost for steam ready in 40-50 sec comparing to silvia 90 sec.

[@NativeNewYorker66]

Great review! I previously owned a Rancilio Silvia v2 for 14 years and they are built like a tank! I received my Profitec Go exactly one month ago and I'm really enjoying it. I have my Go on an outlet timer, so it's programed to turn on and heat up before I wake up. To increase cup clearance I purchased a bottomless portafilter, plus my shots improved in taste too. And you can neatly dispense hot water in a single stream with the bottomless portafiler in place by pressing the brew button. Also, I discovered that Profitec quietly upgraded the steam wand to "No-Burn" which is not mentioned so that's big plus! Overall I would say Profitec is a great company-especially being the sister company of ECM. Profitec's have a solid build, fine reputation and 3-year warranty.

[@jeffmussel1]

I recently purchased a Profitec Go, and for the past month, have been making great shots. This is my first machine and I crossed shopped with a PID modified Gaggia Classic Pro. By the time I modded the GCP, I was at or very near price wise to the Go. One thing the Go has is an all metal water path, I appreciate this as I am not a fan of heated water being routed through plastic or silicone. This is a great first machine that will be a hard to justify an upgrade in the future.

[@taroman7100]

He often sounds like Rod Serling.

[@gosman949]

@@taroman7100 not many of these kids will know who Rod Serling is!

[@cns187]

Just got my profitech go, any upgrades you recommend?

[@youtubeaccount7137]

The problem with the profitec is that is still using brass boilers

[@MonkeyBlueAss]

@@youtubeaccount7137 what's wrong with brass

[@KrishnenduKes]

For $150 more, you get a far superior machine. Thanks for the video!

[@RafQ321]

what exactly ? I guess heat up times are much higher

[@PS-ef4yg]

Can't speak for later versions but I bought my sweet Silvia back in 2007 and she's been an absolute WWII tank of an espresso machine, still delighting me with the same awesome shots it did almost 20 years ago with nearly daily usage. I've only had to buy a replacement pump through ebay a few years back as original gradually lost pumping pressure (a 10 minute replacement job) and besides some chrome over plastic starting to flake-off she's been absolutely flawless...

[@jamessher6956]

A female tank, hmm.

[@haizmanbrain]

Similar experience here. Purchased a v1 Siliva/Rocky combo in 2001. I did the PID mod around 2008. Still in use once or twice a day. Replaced the pump a few years ago and still going strong!

[@LifesGoodInSoCal]

Just picked up GO - thanks for the great review since these are the machines I narrowed it down to

[@sshah2545]

I bought a GCP on sale about 7 months ago. After doing my homework it became clear to me that on the “barebones” side of buying a machine, the GCP was the entry-level gold standard, and the Profitec was the entry-level machine with “everything you need” … which is to say that the GCP gave you all the equipment you need to brew great espresso at the lowest possible price point, with the caveat that it needed a little modding up front, where as the PGO came with all of those mods preinstalled at a slightly higher price point. The GCP imho is the cheapest machine on sale today that makes “great espresso”. I love breville and use lots of their products but I’m not going to be counting them as a maker of real espresso machinery. I enjoyed my GCP. Great machine, but once I owned it I realized I had no intention of really doing all the mod work myself. I sold it at a loss of only $30, and got a Profitec Go for about $1000 USD including tax. $30 for 7 months of use seems very fair to me. All in all, I feel like they’re both an excellent deal, and with the Profitec pre-built to spec, this machine has literally everything you need. Coming with 2+1 years of warranty between the machine and my credit card, I anticipate this machine will really be all I need for the rest of my life. I’m very happy with the purchase and look forward to its arrival.

[@danielnordstrand6443]

Unfortunately, in Australia the profitec go is about $870 more then the silvia... I like both machines, but that preinstalled PID and pressure gauge would be nice! Thanks for the good review, again!

[@WMDistraction]

The Profitec Go does seem to be the perfect entry-level machine for someone at this price point. I'm looking into getting an espresso machine myself, and I started with considering the Gaggia Classic Pro, but temperature surfing was an immediate dealbreaker and I didn't want to mess with the mods. Then I found the Profitec Pro 400, and while the price was hard to stomach, it was hard to argue against the value proposition and fact that I probably wouldn't need another espresso machine ever again. However, after asking about an option around $1000, this was immediately recommended and it is precisely the machine I'm looking for. I don't mind the slight disruption to workflow for milk steaming, as I don't see myself doing this very often (mostly for my wife's drinks or if I want something smoother/sweeter on occasion), and the benefit of a built-in PID at this price point cannot be understated. Profitec really seems to know what the market wants as this was almost exactly the machine I envisioned once I decided against the GCP.

[@rlsimmons900]

I love my GO! Got it in yellow because I couldn't wait!

[@gosman949]

yellow!!!!🤩🤪🤪

[@warmachino]

Hey great review! I ended up upgrading to the Profitec Go from the Rancilio Silvia. Just one thing, contrary to your statement about the Profitec heating up faster, my Silvia had a heat-up time of 3 minutes, while the Profitec Go heats up in 6 minutes. Not a huge deal, I still like all the other features of the Profitec Go like the adjustable OPV, pressure gauge, etc.

[@ajax2020.]

Come for the coffee machine reviews stay for the host. Love you're reviews. Keep it up.

[@many_worlds]

temperature surfing concept reminded me stone age of espresso, PID seems to me is a must for current machines

[@Todd.T]

A few things. The Silvia is known for chipping and rusting where the drip tray goes. The steam knob fits a half moon shaft with a clip and that clip will rust and break, especially if you don't regularly descale the boiler and pass the descaling liquid through the hot water dispenser to keep friction low by clearing any scale there. I would not say the portafilter on the Profitec is superior in any way. The Rancilio is easier to grip and textured. The teardrop tip of the Rancilio allows the portafilter to sit level on the tamping surface. I don't think the metal clicky buttons are superior. The ones on the Rancilio are the same like on every Bunn coffee machine you've seen everywhere for 50+ years. I would urge people to get the Profitec. Silvia can match the profitec, shot for shot all day long...if you are willing to learn. Most people are not, they might say they are, but they are not. Most people are interested in owning a legend and will tire quickly of having to think. I am not that person. I have seen many people just give up on Silvia. I owned one from 2009 to 2021. I produced hundreds of thick honey like shots and silky smooth cappuccinos, annually, but I don't give up. People aren't going to want to disassemble the machine to adjust pressure on Silvia. Do you have the tools? Do you have a pressure measuring device? Do you have the patience? The PID? Well it isn't a necessity if you have the routine. that most will never master, down pat. I PID modded Silvia, which gave me the ability to walk into the room and pull a shot without care of current temperature. I stopped using a shot timer because it tastes how it tastes and the timer is only a guide, but not the truth. Do you think you're going to dial back the pressure making the shot slower and be done in the same time? No. I don't know if you can program the shot timer away and have it just show temp. I used am Auber PID with steam control and pre infusion on the Rancilio and could display temps during the shot. Temperature is more important throughout the shot. If the temp is rising, the shot is going to burn. If the temp is going down, the shot is going to be sour. With a single boiler, you can play. Run the shot and control the temps by opening the water wand which can introduce cold water into the boiler. This way you can save shots that were going to burn. I like my shots to ramp up in temp, so I increase a few degrees over the pull. What did I replace Silvia with? A Rocket Giotto Evoluzione R. Why? Stability and the ability to plumb in due to the rotary pump. A quiet rotary pump. Seriously,. the vibe pump affects the crema. The Rocket will steam all day long and will froth INSANELY quick in comparison to a smaller machine. I didn't go dual boiler because with an HX, I can still ramp the shot temps up by playing with the steam wand during a shot or by cooling the temp during an over tamped shot. I can pull a shot and steam at the same time. If you don't have a decent grinder, you are making it a lot harder on yourself to pull a decent shot. If you don't use proper water, and Brita isn't it, you will have days where you just can't get a decent shot and you don't know why. Get a BWT penguin pitcher or if you have the bucks, install a BWT on the house line. You won't believe the consistency and the taste the magnesium water will add. Engineered water is in every major coffee joint and will save your boiler too..

[@Fent89]

Too much text Todd.

[@Todd.T]

@@Fent89 Short attention span and inability to read quickly = go to McDonalds because this wasn't meant for that person.

[@eitamaa]

@todd, thanks for the long and INFORMATIVE text.

[@nelsonnicklebee]

Great video as always! The Go is so close to perfection for its price. The omission of an elegant way to get hot water is surprising though. On another topic, how low does the OPV screw allow you to go?

[@howardm5759]

Considering the Profitec Go as an upgrade to my 2010 Rancilio Silvia. Nothing wrong with my current set-up but always room for improvement and that PID installed on the Profitec and temp gauge are nice

[@JB-pk1jx]

I still use my rancilio miss silvia that I bought in 2000. Yeah my 23 year old silvia still running strong, its just like a toyota lol.

[@marcfalardeau6058]

Of course, I will buy a Profitec go after owning a Jura ena 3 & Gaggia classic pro! Thanks, 😉☕️👏🏻

[@martynhopkins4789]

I own a Profitec Go. It is a great machine. Well build en makes good espresso. Has great features. But still I’m looking to buy a profitec 300 for de dual boiler set up, dispite that i love the go in every way.

[@anotherguycalledsmith]

@3:44 I like your black and white (background) side split of your video setup ;-) As always, nice and clean, there are many espresso channels doing much worse… I have the same color division on my coffee-bar, the left dark side is coffee and grinding related with a matt black stealth-like Eureka grinder, the right side of the coffee-bar is milk and porcelain minded… The hero, an _ECM Synchronika_ is the shining star keeping all together. You have a great channel and I hope that you will make the 100k jump very soon ;-) It is a pleasure to watch your excellent content.

[@mrjeffry25]

My Rancilio has been running for the last 4 years, I updated it with PID better screen shower and has been rock solid I recently upgraded to the Decent Espresso let see how it goes

[@bArda26]

I am in the market for the go for the last a couple weeks and it's very hard to get the black one in the US! It's out of stock everywhere and I don't want to order from overseas due to service, warranty issues...

[@FatNorthernBigot]

It seems the Proflitec was specifically designed to best the Silvia. I have the Silvia, but had to install a PID to get a consistent brew.

[@iaismael]

Thanks for the great video, I am currently researching to buy a machine for around 1000€ and have considered profitec go, however, and because I have to fill water from top I started leaning towards quick mill silvano, it is just 100€ more than the Go here in Germany. My issue with Silvano is the lack of water dispenser for Americano, but you also mentioned that the Go does not have this option too which surprised me. How do you compare the Go against the QM Silvano?

[@fplluke]

Wow you have totally sold me the profitec go. Now that the Gaggia is a no-go zone I think Profitec will profit from that 😮😅😊

[@bigwave_dave8468]

There is such a large crop of new machines in this category, it would be nice to see how the other brands compare (ECM, Bezerra, Quickmill) as they are all single-boiler. PID should be a given for this price range. Hopefully, it pushes Rancillio to update the Silvia.

[@Marc0Bece]

The more I read about and see comparisons with the GCP and Silvia vs. machines like the Profitec, the more it makes sense to pick something like the Go vs. Picking between the Italian giants and modding.

[@LifestyleLab_]

That's why the Profitec is one of the best selling machines this year. Everyone coming to that same conclusion, AND you get better build quality to boot

[@patrickshaddock1624]

I wish the Go was around back when I was starting out. It would be a no brainer over the Rancilio (a good machine but the need to temp surf was a massive pain).

[@taroman7100]

True, the Rancilio was great before mass production cheapened it. I always had at least a two minute wait for boiler to come up in order to steam milk.

[@Cenot4ph]

Seems the Profitec is the better deal all around, good review

[@Tass...]

Good luck trying to find a Profitec GO if you want one. They are currently suffering with the same kind of supply shortage that the Niche Zero did when it was new. A victim of it's own success.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Only the black, all the color finishes are still available (if you’re into that)

[@lofu32]

metal construction, pid, shot timer and pressure setting is worth the 150 markup

[@tt11qj]

You should do a comparison of the ECM synchronika (or Profitec 700), rocket r58, and Linea Micra (or mini)

[@LifestyleLab_]

I’ll sell my car and get right on that! haha That would be a killer comparison indeed

[@tt11qj]

@@LifestyleLab_ No need to buy, just give idrinkcoffeecanada a call and ask for a loan ;)! You're one of the more credible channels in the KZbinverse, haha!

[@-Vee_]

I would compare Profitec GO vs Diletta Mio. They even look the same

[@taroman7100]

Former owner of a Rancilio for twenty years. Before the prosumer explosion the Rancilio had integrity now parts of it are flimsy feeling more like a toy.

[@unlink1649]

the profitec makes one hell of a case. One quick mention: My silvia v6 came with an insulated boiler. I think yours should have one too, but maybe it's just not a v6 even though it looks like one.

[@LifestyleLab_]

I believe mine is a V5, so this is a good point to share thank you!

[@orrinbelcher6593]

Pretty cool espresso machines, fun and informative, appreciate your thoughts and comments, nicely done.

[@tomscott4438]

I’m not sure if you’ve done this, but a comparison between the new Gaggia Evo Pro and the Rancillio Silvia would be interesting. At one time they were directly competitive (features and price) but the Rancillio is now $300 to $400 more. Yes they’ve made improvements to the Silvia, but nothing to really justify that price gap.

[@LifestyleLab_]

My thoughts from this video would still stand Gaggia Classic Pro vs Rancilio Silvia kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqrbXnmHnrGFrM0

[@mannyt7064]

You have nailed this review!! Love the detail! Question for you though, Would you get a Gaggia classic pro with a pid mod installed or the profitec go? And which one would be better for multiple latte making? Thanks in advance!

[@user-od4op6ng9y]

The GO all day long . Ive seen people who installed the newest PID kits on the Gaggia saying they have close to $1k in the machine. That they would have gotten the GO if it was out when they started modding theirs.

[@sherwood9917]

I am torn between the Profitec Go and ECM Casa V. The Profitec seems like a better buy, but I hate the colors. I hate that the Casa V doesn't have PID, but love the stainless steel look.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Profitec is the far better machine, I guess up to you if the colors bug you, but the black option is quite attractive imo :)

[@sherwood9917]

@@LifestyleLab_ You are 100% right. I'm just caught up in the aesthetics.

[@maillardsbearcat]

Just ordered the Profitec Go, and a Niche Zero. I know nothing about espresso. I can't wait to pour some love into this thing.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Fantastic combo! Congrats!

[@maillardsbearcat]

@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks! You helped me make my decision.

[@Chris-rt8kc]

@@LifestyleLab_ Would you also recommend a Eureka Single Dose?

[@LifestyleLab_]

If you enjoy a more traditional espresso profile, then yes, absolutely. Fantastic grinders

[@RicktheRecorder]

At 240v, the element on the Rancilio is 1100 w, not 1000, so very little different. The boiler is insulated.🎉 Downsides are powder coated steel chassis that rusts and blisters readily. 4 stick-on rubber feet that come unstuck. In 7 years I am on to my 3rd element despite always keeping the boiler full and descaling every 30 days - say every 30 shots.

[@Abdullah-cj2mh]

Why are you descaling that much? You rarely need to descale if you’re using softer water.

[@RicktheRecorder]

Because our water is very hard.

[@martindvorsak3168]

Sooo, in Europe Silvia’s boiler is isolated. You can get it for arround 600€, whild the Profitec Go is 900€. For 900€ you can get a Lelit Victoria, and are close to the dual boiler starting point. Also, the blue gauge is hidious, the ones on the other colors look much better.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Hence why I rarely reference exact pricing in my videos :)

[@staceyramirez7843]

Thank you so much for this incredible video, could you be so kind as to give a link to a 2nd hand market for both machines, have a great day 🙂...

[@ziplepingouin1186]

How long does the Profitec take in the morning to heat up for first use? Great comparaison!

[@joshuaanderson7405]

I thought the absence of that time was odd

[@FowlEdge]

8 min

[@gosman949]

@@FowlEdge too long! I have brain fog in the morning!

[@photophilchamp]

I have the machine for 1 week now. Still trying to get used to it but I have a question : every time I start the machine in the morning, after the "up" message, I get the "flu" code: the machine wants me to pass water through the grouphead. The machine warms up to 260+F°... Are you getting the "flu" code?

[@user-ge9uz9nn6j]

Best- least -mentioned upgrade to add: an extra portafilter and keep the blind basket in it. Makes daily backflushing & refilling the steam head space a smooth fit in my workflow. My extra portafilter is bottomless should I want to experiment in the future.

[@rays9566]

Really good review. Could you do one with the Profitec 500, 600 and 700? Just wanted your opinion on those. Thanks in advance

[@imoafaq]

05:15 so the Go doesn’t do americano? Pouring water from grouphead maybe

[@medroastt9888]

the super short distance b/w bottom of PF and dip tray of the GO is huge deal breaker for me... it's a major design flaw, IMHO... basically they are repeating the GCP's flaw.

[@LifestyleLab_]

The reality is, most people are pulling into latte cups or shot glasses. Not many machines have clearance for a full sized mug. If you need that, a bottomless portafilter is always a quick swap away

[@trojanhman8136]

If you are in the US, then you can't go past the GO. Unfortunately here in Australia, the retails added another $500 to the price. If they had instead sold for the recommended retail price, I would have bought one.

[@raffaello6787]

Here in NZ the Profitec Go is $2k, while the Silvia is $1350.

[@trojanhman8136]

@@raffaello6787 The Go is $50 aud cheaper there then. It is bs. They play with the exchange rate, they play with the taxes, they play with the cost of doing business and the inflation rate etc. All they want to do is stop people from becoming wealthy.

[@simona4693]

@@raffaello6787 Yeah very similar here in Australia. Profitec Go is about $2k, Silvia is about $1150.

[@sdjohnston67]

Great review.

[@Joseph_Coutts]

Damm wish the Profitec was that cheap in Australia. I picked up ECM Casa V in January for about $160 more than the Rancilio. It seems like a cut down version of the GO minus PID / timer

[@xXFighter105Xx]

What do you think about the silvia pro X? It checks all the boxes for a entry dual boiler machine.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Great machine! Up against some stiff competition from the Profitec Pro 300 and Ascaso Steel Duo, but I think it might come out on top on that comparison

[@user-wu4cw5ed5w]

@@LifestyleLab_ Profitec and Ascaso are on a higher price point, aren't they?

[@LifestyleLab_]

Ascaso is least expensive of the 3, Rancilio most expensive. In North America anyways. Very close to one another though

[@Elivaztv]

I'm still debating between the Profitec GO, the Diletta Mio & Ascaso Steel UNO.. (Regardless of the price dif.) Any suggestions/ feedback?

[@LifestyleLab_]

What drinks do you make most commonly each day, and how many at a time generally?

[@Elivaztv]

@@LifestyleLab_ I would do a capuccino twice a day and on the weekends, 4-5 at a time (with the family).

[@LifestyleLab_]

In that case, I'm going to recommend going with the Mio because of its ability to brew and steam at the same time, or at least without waiting after brewing. Making many milk drinks back to back on a single boiler can get very time consuming.

[@Elivaztv]

@@LifestyleLab_ wow, thank you so much for the advice!!

[@joegarcia54]

Very good review

[@jksalvador5562]

Great video as always bro. Keep it up. 🙌🏻

[@ComradYeltsin]

Man, I said on the review that you nailed the commentary about the GO, but this comparison was the thing that pushed me and my house to decide 100% on the Profitec. We went from a cheapo Breville Cafe Roma to that thing, and without getting any fancy extras (which I'm definitely getting lol) I'm blown away by the quality difference. Definitely look forward to getting some fancypants things to go with it and crank the fun to 11. Thanks for the push to invest the extra bit, it feels super worth even on the third day of owning it!

[@LifestyleLab_]

Congrats on the new machine! You made a great choice

[@davidschabelski2569]

Can you do Profitec Go VS ECM Classika?

[@jeffreychase7623]

The Silvia PID has pre-infusion and is currently the same price as the PG. hmm…

[@MrRcmann]

I love your videos! What's your opinion on the Profitec Pro 300? 😎

[@LifestyleLab_]

Pro 300 looks like a great machine. Silvia Pro X is more feature rich, but the Profitec build quality and looks can’t be ignored

[@anthonytorgerson4175]

Great video. I just ended up ordering the Argos Lever machine for my first machine after watching all your videos. I have an ode gen 2 for filter coffee, but now I need an espresso grinder. I was debating between the varia s3 with the hypernova burs or maybe just a 1zpresso k plus espresso grinder. What would you recommend? Or any other single doese espresso grinder. Thanks.

[@LifestyleLab_]

I’d avoid hand grinding for espresso, it gets old quite quick Stay tuned for Fellow Opus videos 👀

[@gtinseth]

I am not hearing great things around the VS3 (burrs not staying in adjustment, underpowered motor, tiny burrset). For small conical burrs, the Turin SD40 and the Lagom Mini are tried and true. I do love my Izpresso JX-Pro hand grinder which surprisingly has larger burrs than the VS3. New grinders have growing pains, maybe Varia will get this fixed in upcoming versions or maybe it just was some growing pains.

[@maksymfedoriaka2851]

After Profitec Go came out, Silvia makes way less sense to me, because it's lacking a PID, and installing it yourself will cost more than the factory Profitec For my first setup I went with the GCP, but there at least an argument can be made that a machine with mods is significantly less expensive than Profitec Go

[@taroman7100]

There is a Silvia with a PID but you pay for it.

[@garrettlane1302]

Should I upgrade to the linea mini from the profitec go ? Whenever at cafes la marzocco always makes the best espresso ! Wondering your opinion on it

[@LifestyleLab_]

A Linea isn’t going to make any better espresso than your Profitec with all other inputs being the same. Buy better coffee, and buy a better grinder!!

[@garrettlane1302]

@@LifestyleLab_ I have the df64 right now it just doesn’t quite taste like even when I get a great extraction. I have great coffee from local cafes aswell!

[@garrettlane1302]

@@LifestyleLab_ also doesn’t the mini have pre infusion so that could make a difference?

[@LifestyleLab_]

Nice :) All I’m saying is that your machine isn’t the limiting factor in the setup. If it’s not tasting the same as in the café look into your puck prep, brew recipe, and grinder. If you did everything the same but put the portafilter into a Linea instead, the shot would come out tasting the same

[@rafaelrocha8046]

⁠​⁠@@LifestyleLab_ In addition to all this, it is worth checking the water being used, in coffee shops the water receives a different treatment.

[@nicholasbrown4324]

hello, I have a Profitec go which I bought it recently, the problem I have is that the pressure gage goes up after 2 -3 seconds and gets to 9 bar and starts extracting , I was wondering if it can be increased to 6 or 7 seconds? it seems there is no pre infusion at all. I get 36 gram of espresso on 18 grams in 25 seconds. thanks

[@LifestyleLab_]

Preinfusion is not programmable on the Profitec GO unfortunately, but it's not on most machines :) dialing in a straight 9 bar extraction is quite standard. If you are unhappy with the taste, start adjusting your brew ratio or grind size further

[@nicholasbrown4324]

@@LifestyleLab_ thank you very much

[@jcasetnl]

Thanks for being honest about how you receive these items to review. It's fine if channels do reviews in exchange for free gear, but it bugs me when they also say they aren't being compensated.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Transparency is key 🔑

[@geripaksi]

Can you do a comparison with Lelit Victoria

[@simweimin3422]

Apologies if I missed anything.. but why not compare with the Silver Pro? thanks!

[@LifestyleLab_]

Because the Silvia Pro is over double the price, so that’s not a very fair matchup

[@simweimin3422]

@@LifestyleLab_ got it! Thanks!!

[@DavidRBermudez]

So....weighting the pros and cons...I dare say that if you could, you would buy the Profitec over the Rancilio(I would). The hot water is not a deal breaker. Most likely one would use a kettle if needed.

[@LifestyleLab_]

100%

[@freightdawg6762]

Excellent!!!

[@rolandkovacs7339]

I really like the Profitec Go form factor and build quality, but with no pre-infusion and not insulated steam arm, but why would anyone go with it if you can get the Lelit Mara X basically for the same money. (at least in Europe)?

[@LifestyleLab_]

Apparently the steam arm IS insulated now. Bit of a silent upgrade. Remember, a PID controlled saturated group machine is far more temperature stable than a PID controlled heat exchanger. But if you need to steam and brew at the same time, the Mara is a great option

[@taroman7100]

pre-infusion is bogus. Just hit brew for a few seconds, turn off, wait about five seconds, then proceed to draw.

[@JustNel]

Not a fan of the aesthetics when it comes to machines like these. Very much prefer e61.. i will be upgrading from my Breville duo temp pro to a profitec 400

[@LifestyleLab_]

Can’t deny the classic good looks of an E61! But saturated groups do have several practical advantages over them

[@paviaaPS3]

Neither am I a fan of the e61 which is a service heavy group. The ring brew group needs no service and works great

[@youssefzrii7207]

I was thinking getting either the Go or the Ascaso dream w PID, what do you think is best?

[@LifestyleLab_]

I’d stick with the GO unless you’re REALLY dead set on the aesthetics of the Ascaso

[@youssefzrii7207]

@@LifestyleLab_ thank you for your quick response, the Go it is then!

[@marcin.sobocinski]

I'm sorry to say that but that is quite apples to oranges comparison. Profitec is simply one step higher in price and one step better than Rancilio. Full stop. I have Pro 300 and it's built like a tank, it runs without any issue for a few year now. PID is not only fantastic in terms of "a display" but first of all you can play with a brew temp which is life saver for some "problematic" coffees (like when you want to get rid of some bitterness in a cup, but grinding coarser makes the espresso very watery... you just press a button and the shot comes wonderful @ 87 C instead of canonical 93 C). Profitec is just a great machine, much superior to Rancilio.

[@taroman7100]

The Rancilio isnt even as good in build quality as it used to be. The Profitec is a partnership built machine.

[@dejedejsson]

If you want a machine with the same functions as at Profitec Go but with a SS bolier, what is the next step up in the machine hierarchy?

[@LifestyleLab_]

Next machine up I frequently recommend is actual a “zero-boiler” in the Ascaso Steel Duo (dual thermocoils) Great machine, just released a review on it

[@dejedejsson]

Thanks, It costs $2000 where I live, quite a big step from Profitec go for $ 1000.

[@tagheuer02]

The fact that Gaggia Classic Pro, and Silivia, are using 1980s technology in 2023 is a joke. Sure the tradition and reliability is great, but Rancilio charging $700-800 and refusing to add a PID (which probably costs them $30) is criminal. It also seems really silly to buy a Gaggia at $425 New and then plow another $200 or so with a spring mod, PID, tamper, etc so you're near $700 and you've voided your warranty

[@tomscott4438]

Rancillio is in an odd position. 15 years ago it was just a few dollars more than the Gaggia. Now it’s $350 more, and not much has changed. Along comes Profitec for a few dollars more, but with a massive gap in quality and features. If I were in the market for a sub $1K espresso machine (and I am) I’d be deciding between the Go and the Evo Pro. Rancillio isn’t even in the conversation.

[@KingMinosxxvi]

The profitec is the best deal in espresso and rancillio is an overpriced gaggia,....there is no comparison here unless you can find the Sylvia at half the price of the profitec.

[@TibetanAlkmist]

If you’ve ever had both machines side by side you’d realize the Gaggia is inferior in build quality and steam power. That being said you’re right that at this time PG is a better deal than either of them.

[@KingMinosxxvi]

@@TibetanAlkmist yes but the the Sylvia is 800 euro and the gaggia is 400 euro ..it's kind of a joke how over priced the Sylvia is.

[@Gk2003m]

Agreed on this. If I did not already have a cheaply obtained, heavily modded ViaVenezia, I’d be purchasing that Go. It’s got almost everything you want in a personal espresso machine. PID, pressure gauge, good size boiler, good steam, quick enough heat up time, quality build… the only thing missing is flow control, and that can be added easily and inexpensively.

[@user-uu7lo2uw2m]

Got a used silva for 500 €, 79111 which is maximum I would pay for the design is not good as rust is a big issue and without tuning it is not a good machine

[@mannyr8795]

Ok but what about longevity? I’m on that precipice of buying an espresso machine and was thinking of the new Gaggia Classic evo pro but now I’m looking at the Sylvia M and Profitec GO. I’ve just heard that Rancilio is built like a tank, heavy, sturdy and will last decades. Does the GO have the same quality genes? Which one would you guys buy? Is the hike in price from GO to Gaggia worth it? Would you consider the new Gaggia evo pro??

[@mharad2]

Profitec Go vs. Ascaso Steel Duo. thoughts.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Price no-option I’d pick the Ascaso all day long

[@JohnnyMacaw]

I ended up getting the double boiler profitec pro 300

[@danielfenech]

I really like the profitec! What are the advantages of the pro 300 except that you can brew+steam milk at same time?

[@user-wu4cw5ed5w]

Looks like you got a Rancilio Silvia E model for the review, for me it is good enough, but yeah, odd drip tray

[@taroman7100]

The drip tray on the newer models is toy like. It's flimsy and the tray likewise.

[@user-wu4cw5ed5w]

@@taroman7100 like a casserole, I know

[@haroldlauhoyan]

If i can pay another extra 150 for a mara x, should i get that instead of the profitec go？

[@branislavhavlik570]

if u have 25-30minutes for Mara X heating up its good choice

[@danieldougan269]

For the life of me, I can't understand why they don't put floats in the drip trays of these machines. My cheap DeLonghi machine has a float in the drip tray.

[@LifestyleLab_]

On a classic drip tray like on the Profitec it's very easy to see the water level, unlike on the Brevilles. Never been an issue in my experience :)

[@timhanley4396]

Wouldn’t the rancillio have less electronics that could go wrong? I mean you still get good espresso with a solid build

[@LifestyleLab_]

A PID is a very simple circuit, but yes the Rancilio is more straightforward. You can absolutely get great espresso from both :)

[@timhanley4396]

@@LifestyleLab_ Do PID fail?

[@LifestyleLab_]

Anything can fail, but essentially every espresso machine has a PID above a certain price point and I've never heard of one failing. If it's durable enough for commercial cafe use, it's more than robust enough for home

[@timhanley4396]

@@LifestyleLab_ thank you , I can’t make up my mind on which to buy🤔

[@LifestyleLab_]

@timhanley4396 if you have the budget, the Profitec is a very easy winner between these two.

[@user-zp9ml4pk5x]

I've been using Rancilio Silvia V6 for a year and I loved it. But yeah drip tray and pressure control is pain in the butt, and realize the importance of the pid.

[@ebusive]

Well that settles it I'm getting the Go. I don't make steamed drinks often enough to need a double boiler. Upgrading from a Delonghi Stiloza to this is going to be a massive change for sure.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Enjoy! It’s suuuch a good machine.

[@daves570]

Not keen on that blue pressure gauge!

[@JPC326]

What about the Rancilio Sylvia Pro X ?

[@LifestyleLab_]

Great machine, but almost double the cost of these so not exactly a fair comparison to make in this video

[@JPC326]

@@LifestyleLab_ is there a Profitech equivalent to the Pro X ? I'm curious about the same comparison with these price range. :) I was sold on the Breville Dual Boiler but the build quality of these seems way better.

[@LifestyleLab_]

The Profitec Pro 300 would be the direct competitor to the Silvia Pro X. Build quality on these is definitely on another level compared to Breville

[@JPC326]

@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks :) and wich one would you be more inclined to use ?

[@LifestyleLab_]

For myself personally I would go with the Ascaso Steel Duo due to the added programmability and features. I don’t need the extra capacity of a large dual boiler for home use If I DID upgrade, the Silvia Pro X appears to be the most well rounded option, but im not in love with the looks. Everything else it top notch though. Pre-infusion, excellent steaming power, PID, pressure adjustment…

[@justinbouchard]

The more i look at the blue gauge, the more i kinda don't like it, which feels weird for me to say because i like blue/purple/pink back lit or tinted things. It just looks like a protective peel hasn't been removed from it the more I see it.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Ha! I can see how it’s close to that color It looks great in person though 😁

[@evergreen4940]

Have had my GO for a while now and I really enjoy it, it really is an impressive machine for the SBDU world! For me the only real pain point is the cup clearance. I use the same Kruve EQ shot glasses you used in this video and they are certainly pushing the limits of the clearance. With a bottomless pf and scale there are only several millimeters to spare between the top of the cup and the bottom of the pf. Edit: thanks to the helpful response, I checked my machine and sure enough it is a no-burn steam wand! Mine is from a batch delivered in January '23

[@protostar5351]

Mine has a no burn steam wand... I think the newer models have them

[@RichardoBrit]

@@protostar5351 Where did you see that? I can’t find it on any site

[@evergreen4940]

@@RichardoBrit I haven't seen references to it either, and continued to assume and treat it as a no burn wand for the first month of operation. After reading his comment I checked, and it definitely is a no burn wand. Makes the machine that much better!

[@evakeizers9670]

Profitec Go makes a hell of a noise PID is located at a very inconvenient low place You always have to bend over to view and work with the PID. Do take care not to burn your fingers Rather irritating The lid of the watertank is sitting losely on top and rattles when the vibration pump is working. It doesn't slide in neatly too Why not a hinge? Even the Bezzera Home has a hinge. The lid is wacky. The driptray itself is rather small and wacky too and doesn't slide in neatly as well. It's metal on metal. Driptray becomes very hot and there is a great chance that the solder joints become loose. Even solder hot spots are visible. The sidepanels and back panel are connected to each other in a clumsey way You have to purge the steamwand twice before making a cappuccino. Making Americano's is tricky because of the short distance The Profitec Go has no smooth workaround and is sloppily put together. All in all definately not barista friendly The ECM Casa Classica is a far better choice. Having a much more refined finish. No cut corners but wrapped panel edges angled. The ECM Classica II Pid is a far better choice. Finishing quality is far more refined: detailed finished stealwork. No cut corners: wrapped panel edges angled It. certainly does have the finesse. Stainless steel boiler for the best tasting sepresso. The vibration pump is far more quiet.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Not sure why you have such a vendetta against the Profitec GO such that you’re commenting on every video of it… it’s a very well put together machine. It isn’t louder than any other vibration pump, the PID is in a very common location, the drip tray is metal like every other machine… your complaints are not isolated to this model.

[@evakeizers9670]

@@LifestyleLab_ Normally the display of the pid is located above at the forefront as with rhe La Pavoni CASABAR PID Then a pleasure to work with. Now at a very inconvenient low place Constantly you have to bend down to work with the pid. Not barista-friendly The lid is just loosely sitting on top of the watertank With the Silvia it's far more neatly done just fitting nicely A hinge would be the best option. Hopefully a next update will fix the shortcomings above mentioned.

[@LifestyleLab_]

A barista doesn’t constant interact with a PID though… that’s the point of a PID. Many machines even have them hidden behind the drip tray because they’re touched so infrequently

[@evakeizers9670]

@@LifestyleLab_ Look at the Silvia Pro.X. The pid display is located above in the middle of the forefront panel. How a delight to work and view with it. A barista needs to be constantly aware of the correct brewing temperature enabling him to make a high standard espresso.

[@Sajuuk9]

Don't listen to this disgruntled troll, she's posting this nonsense spam everywhere she can.

[@HaekalAlchatieb]

TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT

[@rcommandeur]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tommihommi1]

I have seen a report of issues with the steam wand seal on the Go already Non-PID single boiler machines just shouldn't exist in 2023 anymore, tbh

[@philipurquiza5184]

Hi, I’m an owner of a GO. Which issue has happened? Where can I read about it? Thanks 🙏

[@LifestyleLab_]

I don’t think one person reporting an issue with a seal is a reason to be concerned. Profitec build quality is fantastic

[@acidburn7683]

That blue dial though is so ugly.

[@LifestyleLab_]

I really like it :) Definitely a bold statement

[@user-ge9uz9nn6j]

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[@mattbrn4369]

Sounds like a lot of intentionally false information, Rancilio Silvia comes with an insulated boiler for years The Steam power of Rancilio is definitely more powerful than Profitec The time to Steam is 1 min on both The Rancilio has definitely better Portafilter, heavier and better quality The time to heat up on Profitec is just so slightly faster. And I agree on the Tank size and Drip Tray size of Profitec is better. But the Build quality on Rancilio is in every Step is better in my opinion. Lastly, in Europe, the price difference is not 150$ but 450€. So yeah for more you get the pressure gauge and PID. This might be worth it for some people, or just not.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Intentionally false information? The external build of the Profitec is superior in every way, the Rancilio is covered in cheap hard plastic from the group head cover, the to portafilter handle, to the reservoir cover... this isn't really up for debate. Steam transition and power I measured across three days with the machines side by side. Again, not really up for debate, I had them side by side. I don't quote exact price differences in my videos for this reason, but if I did, I wouldn't be tailoring for the Eurpean market. And lastly, what motivation would I possibly have to giver "intentionally false information"? Just to lead people towards a bad buying decision out of spite? The Profitec GO is a MUCH better machine than the Rancilio if you can afford it, it's quite simple.

[@The_Coffee_Rabbit_Hole]

What i dont get is why they still sell machine with double spout portafilter ... everybody go buttomless . Nice vid

[@LifestyleLab_]

Bottomless doesn’t really serve a functional purpose unless you need more cup clearance or want to make Instagram videos. I still prefer spouted when possible for the cleanliness

[@The_Coffee_Rabbit_Hole]

@@LifestyleLab_ really ? I do agree with the cup clearance but honestly drinking chrome everyday doesnt seem too healty . I fix and rebuilt machines and i can tell you on 100 machines maybe 1 or 2 have "clean" portafilter , the rest are terrific 🤮 . I personaly only use buttomless and just wipe my machine from time to time when spray occure.

[@LifestyleLab_]

I suppose if you don’t want to properly clean the portafilter then there’s an advantage to bottomless there too! No buildup in the chamber

[@The_Coffee_Rabbit_Hole]

@@LifestyleLab_ not only that but over very lil time the chrome vanish from the portafilter.. it must end up in the cup

[@justinbouchard]

@@LifestyleLab_ I totally disagree. Way more cleaning, How often do people actually take a cleaning brush and clean that out? I've been watching espresso videos by the tons for the last year and I don't see anyone ever washing them out with water even. There are huge coffee channels where if you look close when they pour shots with those types of portafilter bottoms you can see the old coffee grime. This isn't even mentioning what seems to be the common practice of just wiping out your portafilter basket with a towel. Which I can understand in a coffee shop scenario, until the end of the day when a proper washing should be taking place according to general health and safety standards. If you're at home making 1 to even 5 espresso a day and you don't actually wash your portafilter and basket out with soap and water at the end of the day when you've pulled your last shot it's honestly gross to me. I worked in high end restaurants and food service for a lot of my life and understand cleanliness very well. I would 100% challenge anyone that regularly uses a spouted portafilter to take and share pics of how clean it is below the basket and in the spouts. From what I've seen it's not even common practice for people that use those to even remove the basket. Which is just disgusting to me.

[@dejedejsson]

What were they thinking here, we make all other color options so unattractive so everyone chooses the black one.

[@goate666]

Get an Lelit pl91t and be happy 😊

[@LifestyleLab_]

Build quality and steam transition speed are reasons I’d still go with the Profitec. The Lelit is far far slower

[@goate666]

Yes but idc. in home use… I have time then:) with lelit u get pid, shot timer, space for cup and scale, big flush water tab…for way lass money then profitec it’s a no brainer for me 😊 oh and forget pre infusion…

[@iggynor5007]

I would have much rather see a proper demonstration than 11:28 minutes of talk, I didn't enjoy this video sorry

[@LifestyleLab_]

When shopping for a machine, seeing 100 machines pull a shot and steam some milk doesn’t help with the decision a whole lot… you need to understand the differences in features and what you’re getting for your money. Check out the individual reviews of each machine if you want to see more brewing footage