Project Hausbuch #5: Study in motion - Oberhaw

EDIT: Thanks to @TheStuffmonster I can finally correct my mistake: the fencer doing great job at 3:13 is Su Hongtao of China!
EDIT: I have recently been notified that the fencer at 3:13, mistakenly labelled by me as Jonathan Ying, is in fact someone else - but who exactly remains to be found! So, if you recognise this badass, please, drop me a line in the comments. Cheers!
P.S. Thanks @Indisarraye for noticing that!
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REFERENCED VIDS:
1. Anton Kohutovic first person view: • Anton K First Person View
2. Slow motion Oberhaw: • Slow motion Oberhau - ...
3. "The physics of the wrath": • Physics of the wrath -...
4. Jonathan Ying: • Invitational Gala Tour...
MUSIC (belongs to their respective owners):
"Humming and Strumming", Andy G.Cohen ( • Humming and Strumming ... )
"Federkleid", FAUN ( • FAUN - Federkleid (Off... )

[@syyskuu]

Holy shoot what a gorgeous video. Must be a crazy amount of work to produce. Reading the texts takes a lot of pausing, but for me that's okay. Valuable study material!

[@bigtreecombatacademy2927]

Great video , I’m obsessed with very similar mechanics for Oberhau and really any deep target vorschlag

[@Shiresgammai]

Use training methods from sports fencing, it's that easy.

[@bigtreecombatacademy2927]

@@Shiresgammai not sure it would apply very well to a passing step Oberhau but yes

[@AngelChernaevHistoricalFencing]

Can I suggest to keep the explanations a bit longer on the screen, specially when you have a few. As much as I enjoy the build in and out they have I find myself needing to pause them a lot. What I’ve always find uncomfortable for me about Anton’s ober is that this execution requires you to already be in range to hit without a step. Which if I want to perform with the percussion point of a shorter LS(120-5 cm overall) makes the distance and time extremely short. I loved the exercises shown at the end

[@Sprechfenster]

Thanks a lot for sharing your remarks. As for the explanations, that's been my thought as well and I gonna make sure that's fixed next time. And about the distance thing - this mechanics gets a bit complicated as you noticed, if you strive to hit with farther parts of the blade, as it is heavily point-centred. With more striking-oriented approach certain abandonment of the "precedence of the point" principle is usually necessary.

[@Shiresgammai]

Anton Kohutovic is by far the best HEMA fencer. I believe that a big part of his success is his study of sports fencing and bio mechanism, two things which almost all HEMA fencers completely ignore.

[@Sprechfenster]

Also, he used to be a figure skater, which explains a thing or two as well ;)

[@Shiresgammai]

@@Sprechfenster Absolutely! The dancers I know are all excellent fencers. They are flexible and agile. Did you know that "Fechtmeister" (fencing masters) and "Tanzmeister" ("dancing masters", dancing teachers) in the HRE were often the same people?

[@Sprechfenster]

@@Shiresgammai Yes, I am aware of it :) In fact, I had a section on it the PhD thesis, but sadly my supervisor made me delete it to save some space for other stuff. Anyway, this connection is hardly surprising when one comes to think about it - dacing and fencing share quite some core skills and historically dancing was an important part of the physical conditioning of men-at-arms.

[@Shiresgammai]

@@Sprechfenster That's true! I'm sorry to hear that this part was deleted from your thesis. Dancing and fencing both require great physical skils, hence why combining the two makes a lot of sense and sword dances are still common around the world (my grandfather used to do sword dances when he was a young man, hehe).

[@Sprechfenster]

@@Shiresgammai Exactly. And where was your grandfather from? Germany?

[@christianmunch9627]

Great video! Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.

[@estherin1031]

Amazing video mate, you're really putting a great deal of work out here for everyone, really appreciate it.

[@KaVeikiaSimas]

Great video, thanks.

[@koenigsong9871]

Mark!very useful!!

[@robinmullerstegeman1087]

Hab Dank for this great channel 🙏

[@Sprechfenster]

My pleasure!

[@Indisarraye]

I'm not sure who is fighting in Minsk, but that's not Ying.

[@Sprechfenster]

Hm, are you sure? I saw him on the pool list though... Any hypotheses who's there in that vid fighting against Rensen?

[@Indisarraye]

@@Sprechfenster 100% that's not him. He wears black and has our school's patch on his back.

[@Sprechfenster]

@@Indisarraye Okay, my bad then, should have double checked :/ I'll add a clarification in the description, but from what I know I can't do anything more without deleting the video and re-uploading it with corrections... Anyway, thank you for this!

[@Indisarraye]

@@Sprechfenster Understandable. It was probably his pool, but they didn't put up the match order for us to follow at home.

[@thestuffmonster9856]

Seems to be the same fencer who fought Martin in the first round of the elims- Su Hongtao, from China I believe? If he’s in the same pool as Michel and Ying, that must be him.

[@sl4469]

Vorschlag of 3227a is not just a “first intention attack”, it’s a concept of taking the initiative against the opponent, even if he is already in process of making first intention attack. e.g. the Play of Zornhau -ort, where the opponent is the first one to strike, but after your Vorschlag(which is Zornhau in that play) he loses the initiative and you is free to perform series of safe attacks.

[@Sprechfenster]

You are certainly right. This is why I stressed that what I was looking for in this video was an "direct Vorschlag", i.e. a first intention attack. Perhaps I could be clearer about that there is more to the Vorschlag concept than just that.