Prop 22: CA Supreme Court hears case on law classifying app-based drivers as contractors

Justices heard arguments on whether Proposition 22 is constitutional, which could impact California's gig economy and could change how companies like Uber and Lyft operate. abc7ne.ws/3Va4DKI
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[@theczar6171]

Prop 22 does not offer you independence like Uber and Lyft want you to believe. Prop 22 classified you as an independent contractor. But here’s the problem. As an independent contractor working for this app based economy, you cannot raise your rates when gasoline spikes up 7 dollars For a gallon of gas. You cannot change your rate because you’re insurance went up. You cannot negotiate your rate for any reason. That’s not how an independent contractor should be working. The only independence prop 22 provides is that you could turn the app on and turn the app off as you please. That right there in itself people have a hard time understanding you are not an independent contractor.

[@hugegoogle]

You can stop contracting with Uber, then drive down the supply, then the free market will raise the price.

[@theczar6171]

@@ric615palm4 i’m 58. I’ve been doing this nine years. I really hope you know what a independent contractor is. Because that comment falls on deaf ears. Uber and Lyft got away with classifying us as independent contractors. They made you believe you’d become an employee if prop 22 failed. You are not independent. Prove it to yourself by sending me a picture that you could adjust your rate when gas prices go up.go ahead. I’ll be waiting.

[@theczar6171]

@@hugegoogle not true. Did you forget what prop 22 told you. How convenient. Remember, they stated you would become an employee if 22 failed. That right there, would have driven out many drivers. Raising the cost of employment to Uber and Lyft. First look up the word independent contractor to understand what a truly independent individual has the right to do and not to do. In the nine years that I’ve driven the rate keeps going down for every drive I do. Go ahead and prove to yourself. You’re an independent contractor and adjust your rate because the maintenance on your vehicle now cost more to do. Let’s see the screenshot.

[@hugegoogle]

@@theczar6171 as a hirer of independent contractor, I definitely have the right not to continue working with the contractor if he or she raise rates, period

[@rockypatacchi]

@@theczar6171 you will become an employee of prop 22 fails. You will fall under the AB5 law which will make us employees instead of IC’s

[@Laambos_house]

Honestly, i dont want to be classified as an employee. All we want is 80%, and that would solve everything. They treat us like employees already. Could you imagine we were employees. Yes, less risk but no freedom at all.

[@pornneliushubbard1967]

Also your now on a 8 hour schedule and no longer have the freedom you thought you had

[@andrey934]

Independent contractor sets price for ride. If it's not, it's not independent contractor. Simple.

[@rh8453]

Gig workers!! LMAO. It’s driving by choice NOT mandatory.

[@bellagio88]

The reality of being gig worker comes to realization when people decided that its not just a gig its a full time job so now they want the benefits of a normal full time job. I thought that the gig was suppose to be short term or part time work to do on the side, but I guess not.

[@sarcasticnews1195]

"supposed" by who? the magical job fairy?

[@juicyfruit6311]

​​@@sarcasticnews1195Rideshare originally was to allow drivers to earn extra cash by driving people from point A to B. It was never advertised a full time with bennies. When to legit taxi drivers complained, rideshare said they weren't competing with taxis. That was BS because the rideshares were. Look up the old videos of Uber and Lyft. You'll hear "earn extra money".

[@randallanno2327]

@@sarcasticnews1195 by the term "gig" look it up

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

All work is part-time. People work until they're tired of being shafted by the corporate schlong, and then, they move on to a different (and likely bigger) schlong. Then, the grinding of the ay-nuzz continues, lol! 😂🤣😂 Be rich. If you ain't rich, then you ain't NOTHIN', suckah. 💪😎✌️

[@theczar6171]

We’re treated like employees. Think about it how does an independent contractor grow when you’re tied down by the gig economy. When’s the last time you had an increase in your pay over the course of your time driving. If you were truly an independent contractor you could demand that. Did we forget about inflation?

[@copyprint-fz2hb]

if you make a career out of Lift/uber , then you have FAILED in life

[@davidlee1467]

@@copyprint-fz2hbYou’re certainly making a successful career as a shill for Uber/Lyft

[@mjohnsimmons]

My Last and FINAL delivery for UBER 34 minutes $2.50 in expense $3.80 in pay = $2.60 per hour . this is EXPLOITATION of workers.

[@lianmartinisbuck5580]

After COVID 19 an prop 22 the company lower the pay to 3 dollars for delivery using tips to cover everything. Basically you are working for you own tips sad

[@BobAlt09]

If you want a W2 job go get one. Go apply at UPS, Walmart or any other company that has a full benefit package. There are a lot of drivers that want to remain independent contractors so we have the freedom of working when we want. That's why most people do these gig jobs. Plus, if prop 22 is overturned none of the gig companies are under any obligation to hire you as a driver.

[@CourtroomAnticsTV]

Gig Workers are Employees that set thier own schedules and that work when they want to. If they let them set the rates or get paid by the passenger then they pay uber for getting them the passenger then are contractors

[@aeromtb2468]

then be drivers for a taxi company

[@manuelalvidrez4355]

There’s nothing in the constitution about Uber or Lyft so it’s not unconstitutional. If you don’t like it then don’t work for them that’s just a victim mentality

[@akcarlosh292]

Do you actually drive for Uber or Lyft ? if you do you will understand this was not a job but a trap

[@manuelalvidrez4355]

@@akcarlosh292 yea I drive for them and I know it’s a side job for extra money not a actual job. I use it to pay expenses on my free time while I work on other things that are more important. If you want the benefits of a job then get a job but if you want the benefits of a self employed person then do Uber but you can’t have both. They don’t treat us like employees cause we’re not you can go 3 months without working Uber you can’t go 3 months without working at your job or take a lunch whenever you want.

[@ric615palm4]

Amén! Find another job people ..if you’re not happy with Uber than find another damn job. Don’t Ask the courts to bail you out of your miserable lives. Make your own breaks and find a better job. A lot of us like choosing our own hours and know the trade offs!

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

Exactly. Corrupt corporations may do whatever they wish. Let them! Go do something else. Allow the crim crims to crim it up on their own time and dime, and simply don't associate with them. That way--in the words of a true God and genius--"it will go away like things go away". 💪😎✌️

[@Chargers420]

Nobody should work full time as a gig worker u won’t make enough it’s simply a side gig

[@TheAnonymousArtsz]

dont agree i do uber and doordash and make around 32$ an hour

[@akcarlosh292]

Says who ?

[@rockypatacchi]

The guy interviewing says prop 22 doesn’t provide healthcare. It literally gives you money for healthcare.

[@kanat3108]

So where is money😂, Karen

[@rockypatacchi]

@@kanat3108did you drive enough active hours to earn the healthcare stipend? I’ve always received my stipend for driving the required hours.

[@WorldTraveller514]

Drivers should also determine how much the driver charge per fare!

[@hue9962]

Well kiss your contractor job good bye if they are made employees. Uber and Lyft. Then these same drivers will be crying when they out of a job. It Will back using taxis and consumers in California will spend more money more than ever adding to higher inflation.

[@mybu8219]

HURRY UP WITH THE DECISION, DO NOT TAKE YEARS TO DECIDE !

[@copyprint-fz2hb]

if you make a career out of Lift/uber , then you have FAILED in life

[@drgeek100]

prop 22 needs to uphold. If prop 22 failed Uber will not be able to hire on every single driver or they may just go away completely.

[@akcarlosh292]

Let them go , they work similar as a mafia

[@rocking_will117]

​@@akcarlosh292 sure but people dont have to work for them if there not paid enough. In my opinion it's better to have a company supplment peoples income than to have them disappear completely cutting off peoples income.

[@paulyang7067]

Go get a w2 job if you want w2 benefits. It’s really not that hard to understand, if you want the freedom that comes with being an independent contractor, you have to make other sacrifices. Otherwise, you’ll be assigned working hours and company vehicle, which you’ll in term have to pay for indirectly.

[@mybu8219]

I HAVE BILLS TO PAY !

[@user-ch2fm6kr6j]

Illegal use of the voters rights act and self representative government and Congress legislature act. Employees. This is a illegal act of monopoly by yhe state and voters etc. Also this is also a illegal use of force and law and violation of court orders in over three million cases that proves this is also a act of violence and crime and a violation of the freedom of speech etc. There can be both companies employees and independent employees contracts and temporarily workers etc and also theres also a large amount of third party companies that also use the same system and charge higher costs like local monopoly taxi cabs etc. the state is built like a monopoly so. The states will probably have civil war internally over these issues even before undo burden front. Illegal inflation on the service or goods cannot be forced and then enforced. Its probably going to cause the shutdown of apple and Microsoft and Google and Amazon and Tesla and Nvidia and Facebook and Walmart etc to avoid civil war and world war and further crimes by the city county state and criminals.

[@theczar6171]

This is where a lot of people are stuck on. As a subcontractor/independent contractor/contractor. I’m not interested in anything but being an independent contractor that can set his own rates. Negotiate with the app based businesses on what I’m willing to give them for their finders fee For the ride, they offer me

[@rafael82x]

It’s a gig job it’s optional work And it’s flexible, It’s independent work

[@seadweller386]

Didn’t these gig workers sign up knowing this wasn’t a real job with benefits and 401k match?

[@theczar6171]

Yes, they did. But the problem is they were lied to you about prop 22. They were led to believe if prop 22 was voted down they would wind up becoming employees if you listen to this news report there’s 1 million just in southern California working. do you really believe Uber can hire 1 million drivers. Do you know what it costs to pay one driver not to mention 1 million of us. I did my best to try to tell and convince and explain to people why they should be voting no? They all shunned me but here we are back at dealing with the deseat again.

[@davidlee1467]

@@theczar6171They rigged that vote just like how the Dems rigged the 2020 election

[@JADED1620]

So much for adults making adult decisions

[@aestheticmarc]

Phx drivers make around 10 hr , how are we independent contractors but they hide rider pay and take up to 70% when u ask the rider

[@sclogse1]

These companies only have their taxes as muscle in this case. I'm sure they've deducted their lobbying and lobbyist expenses on their yearly forms.

[@danawhiteisagenius8654]

What do you think having the state regulate this actually does huh? It causes drivers to get paid less and the state just takes more

[@JADED1620]

Oh and there are hubdreds of thousands of gig drivers in california. Only 200 show. Yup thats a fight needed for change. The death of freedom.

[@drgeek100]

prop 22 offers you the flexibility. If you want full time job look else where..prop 22 is to offer you flexibility.

[@ArchThaBoss]

You can’t call someone an independent contractor and not allow them to negotiate their pay rates. Flexibility isn’t the issue at hand.

[@rocking_will117]

​@@ArchThaBossflexability is the sole reason why prop is even there in the first place if that goes away we all are bound to lose another form of income

[@ArchThaBoss]

@@rocking_will117 all I’m saying is if rideshare drivers are independent contractors, they should be allowed to negotiate their own rates. Right now you’re shown an offer and you take it or leave it. You don’t get to negotiate a thing. You don’t even see what the other party is paying for your service until after your work is completed

[@briannasmith2420]

But you do get to negotiate, by not accepting the offer. Im its current form, drivers can pick and choose the offers they want to accept and feel worth the time and effort. If its no good, go find something else to do. That’s the beauty of the freedom we have

[@BenLegacy.]

Good now they will drug test you

[@khockhong]

when hungry good trip steak & lobster bad trip costco hotdog (only do when lazy dont want cook)

[@poopymcgee6308]

If you don't like it, get a real job.

[@ArchThaBoss]

Define a “real job”. Last time I checked time and labor in exchange for pay was a “real job”

[@poopymcgee6308]

@@ArchThaBoss clock in normal hours, get a W2, and it includes benefits for FT employees. Or a 1099 if you're a contractor that gets zero benefits.

[@ArchThaBoss]

@@poopymcgee6308 why can’t people fight to the the labor they already do into the right classification so that a company can’t get away with stealing time and not paying benefits? You think those folks should get another job and Uber gets a free pass to break the law?

[@briannasmith2420]

This “job” was never advertised as giving benefits when people sign up. Maybe don’t agree to take a “job” that upon signing up or being “hired” does not advise full time benefits will be offered. Maybe don’t complain about not getting something that was never promised from the beginning.

[@bay-xh1qe]

I support prop22. Prop22 offers flexibility working hour for millions of drivers to have a supplemental income for California drivers. If driver wants benefit full time jobs. This job is not for you. Go find a different job.

[@prilep5]

Robotaxis are coming

[@8731Cordova]

More work for Migrants

[@chasemorello60]

🕴🏻🗳️

[@CaliforniaMISC]

Too late, Self driving cars are coming

[@sclogse1]

That's not what this is about.

[@frankelse745]

Adoption will be slow just like EVs. I don’t want to ride in the street of Atlanta in driverless car.

[@theczar6171]

When I started rice chair, that’s when a lot of drivers were under the same impression. That was the year 2014. We are now in May 2024. What I told them back then this would take 25 years. So my estimate is down from 25 years in the year 2014 to now 15 years in 2024. We’ll see how close I can get. My prediction hasn’t reached the halfway point. We’re only at 10 years. So somewhere in the year 2040 is my bet where adoption will be much greater than it is today.

[@mnm2007]

Ha ha you want no rights lol you got it lol

[@Steve65065]

Uber/Lyft is cool. Work whatever days you want , the hours you choose, and turn down a few if you want. This loser complaining about not getting overtime and other nonsense doesn't understand what being a self employed independent / gig work is all about. If it's a bad deal for someone, work elsewhere. case closed. thank you for reading my post 😀

[@hovsepmaadanjian7295]

Drinking the cool aid? You have no idea what you are talking, do the math.

[@TheAnonymousArtsz]

@@hovsepmaadanjian7295 i dont see the problem i do doordash and uber eats and make about 32$ profit an hour if you dont like it get 9-5 job

[@theczar6171]

The issue is you as an independent contractor under the app based services. If you’re so independent, why can’t you negotiate your rate for what you want per mile and per minute. Stop lying to yourself , independence means independence. When gas prices went up can you adjust your rate to compensate for that two dollars you were losing per gallon. The tires that you need for your car now more can you adjust the rate to compensate for that extra money that you need to shell out. You my friend better pay attention to what a true independent contractor is. You should be able to negotiate your rate with corporate Uber corporate Lyft you should be able to submit that you will not pay more than 10% or 20% or 30%. This is a true independent contractor. Pay attention.

[@copyprint-fz2hb]

if you make a career out of Lift/uber , then you have FAILED in life

[@akcarlosh292]

@@theczar6171amen

[@jerryfranks7359]

The worst thing a driver can do is be an employee of Uber and Lyft. They have been screwing over the drivers for years and as an employee your life would be unbearable. As an employee Uber and Lyft will dictate your driving hours. California drivers are so narrow minded.

[@rockypatacchi]

Most of them are uneducated low skilled immigrants who can’t get regular jobs. They now want the government to step in and turn them into employees so they can feel like they have something stable. Most of them will be disappointed when the companies don’t hire them on to be an employee.