Propane vs Coleman fuel vs Kerosene

[@curtiscf1986]

Finally! Someone who shares the same sentiment on propane that I do! I also have a 639 and a 200a converted to kerosene. Love them both.

[@toddhayslett8269]

This is just an aside about 15 years ago I was in walmart and the had Coleman lanterns with 2 mantle, plastic box, and piezo ignition on clearance for $5... I took it to the register because I didn't believe it. It rang up $5. I went to my car put the lantern in it went back in the store and bought the last 6.... 7 lanterns with plastic boxes for $35

[@explorermike19]

Todd Hayslett wow! great find.

[@BigLewBBQ]

I like Kerosene too. Not apposed to Regular Unleaded Gas in a CF lantern, but prefer the white gas. I use Crown brand which is about 7 bucks a gallon in my area. Like you, I despise the wasteful 1lb propane cylinders. People often make a big deal about kerosene being a safer fuel b/c it is less volatile than naphtha or gasoline. This may be true with a wick type Dietz kerosene lantern. But in a pressure lantern the safety issue of kerosene is somewhat negated with the danger of the denatured alcohol preheat fuel as it is just as volatile or even more volatile than gasoline. Anyway your video has now inspired me to go out and fire up my 639B, my 237A, 242c convert, and maybe even my vintage Petromax. Thanks

[@backyardbuck6362]

don't know what kind of propane lantern you got there but mine is a Coleman propane perfect flow 5159 1000 lumens that runs for 7 hours on high and 14 on low on a single 1 lb bottle and by the way you can refill the bottle for 1 dollar if you have the refill adapter and a five gallon gas grill propane tank you can get those filled for 20 bucks = about 20 lbs of propane 😱

[@paulob.7343]

For 5 days, backpacking alone, I take a LED headlight with spare bat.(3x AAA). this is normally enough. If I need a stronger light for group activities, I choose my Coleman kerosene lamp. Even if I have to carry a couple of fuel liters , I like its constant light (a important factor), its warmth, its pleasant spectrum and the fact that I travel home with a almost empty lantern and canister.The problem with LED is that looses gradually is power, if the lamp is big (with 4 D cells p. exp.) will be heavy, together with any recharges that I still have to carry home. I don do this any more...

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

You are on point there these definitely aren't for backpacking. Coleman did make some backpacking liquid fuel lanterns but they are somewhat rare and kind of fiddly

[@totallyfrozen]

“How to Become a Statistic: Backpacking Alone” by Paulo B

[@PastorRob77]

I like my propane lantern and stove for camping and power-outage. Your point about two canisters weight = 1 gallon fuel is a bit of an exaggeration. probably closer to 4 to 1. As far as wasteful, I reuse my canisters by refilling them from my 5 gallon tank. Just need an adapter. I haven't had too much of a problem of canisters losing pressure. Only once or twice. Otherwise, they hold just fine. Now my brother loves his Coleman white gas lantern and it works well for him. I guess it's all up to the individual.

[@XRinger]

I've heard, if you have a basement, it might not be good to store propane in your house. Because if it leaks out, it's heavier than air. It will settle in the bottom of your basement. If the fuel-air mix is right, a spark could lift your house off it's foundation..

[@danburch9989]

According to Coleman customer service, an unopened can of Coleman fuel has a shelf-life of 5-7 years if extreme temperature and humidity are avoided. Once opened, up to 2 years of shelf-life but they recommend using it within a year. What makes gasoline go bad is the additives (if you choose to use unleaded in the dual fuel models). I'm not a fan of propane either because I don't know how much fuel remains - might run out in the middle of cooking.

[@lewiemcneely9143]

I agree with you K N G!! If anything goes down every propane can will be bought up in 30 minutes. I can scrounge a gallon of gas or keep 5 gallons of kerosene for such times as these. Maybe even a can of Coleman fuel or 2. Propane will be hard to come by.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

kerosene lanterns will also burn diesel and even vegetable oil in a pinch. it's versatility is unmatched

[@lewiemcneely9143]

If it's clean and get the little generator hot enough, you betcha!

[@ryancork5281]

Yep and Gasoline is a HELLAVA lot harder and more expensive to store! Unless your best friends with the people that make Stabil, why would you want to store gas. Propane is the way to go and especially now that high quality refill adapters are available for people to refill their 1lb. canisters from 20lbers without blowing themselves up.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

+Ryan Cork you don't have to store just gas...they are versatile. They burn diesel,gasoline, kero, jet fuel, lamp oil, olive oil, vegetable oil, or combinations or hodge podges of both. Even if the fuel is slightly contaminated with water and coleman kero lamp will muck it down.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

+Ryan Cork Options are good. nobody can argue the fact that more options more better lol. Propane does one thing well burns propane. In the short term I have no doubt that propane will serve you just fine in ...but long term, Versatility, reliability, and Serviceability will keep you safe.

[@CampJe]

I just got a pile of old lanterns and parts from my father. I didn't know if they were worth keeping but now I do.. THANKS! Now to get rebuilding.... I'll have to check out that forum... Also heard you're in Ohio... CLE myself.

[@FATL0L0]

I run one NorthStar propane lantern on top of a 30lb bottle that the camp stove is hooked too and it runs all weekend long no worries

[@pablopicaro7649]

2020 Kerosene is hard to find, and cost at least $7/gallon (5 gallon can), usually about $12/gal smaller cans. Camp Lamp Fuel (white gas) is also $8 to $12/gallon, but can be found at Wal-Mart etcetera.. Propane cost $2.80/gal at refill station. And VERY easy to find in bulk or cans. Now Can get refillable 1 lb. cans now. Propane Lantern take 1 second to light. {if the SHTF it would be best to have ALL systems available, as propane may be horded the quickest}

[@PremiumFuelOnly]

@Pablo Schless Propane is the best, lots of appliances that use the 1lb canister (just found a generator on amazon that uses 1lb cans), it can be used indoors, you can go to any gas station, hardware or grocery store and stock up, it never goes bad.

[@Mewtal8]

I converted my 220 to kerosene. All you need is some copper wire, a scrap 200 genni, a copper cap, and a pipe clamp. Propane can be cheap if you run or refill off a 20 lb. I have one of those distrobution trees. Run a propane lantern right off a 20. Makes a handy lamp post for the backyard. That's about all I use it for.

[@totallyfrozen]

I totally agree with you on propane. Coleman fuel (and propane) is flammable. Kerosene is combustible. That makes kerosene a bit safer. Seems like most people who really understand the topic prefer kerosene.

[@kakashi1234777]

My lamp runs on off brand white glass or unleaded gasoline that I get for 1.80 a gallon. Better than kerosine in my opinion.

[@pablopicaro7649]

Unleaded does NOT store well for long periods, and has undesirable (to a lamp) addatives.

[@Donnybrook10]

Any chance you would do a vid on servicing your lantern? For example, how do you clean the generators and how do you keep the lantern in good working condition...I'm ashamed to admit that I've never cleaned a generator. Aside of tightening everything up each season, I don't have a clue what needs to be done to keep m lanterns running well. Thanks

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

I can do that...I've had a video on rebuilding a generator for awhile but my slow internet speed has kept me from uploading it. but I'm upgrading first of the year

[@josephrogers2843]

Try to find Kerosene in Central Florida these days. I have a Coleman 237 but it costs much more for me to use it vs the white gas lanterns I have

[@yz3846]

Kerosene has WAY MORE BTU PER GALLON/POUND than propane or Coleman or even unleaded gasoline. Like the man said...Will make a brighter lantern for far longer per gallon than any of that other fuel...once hot.

[@I..cast..fireball]

Kerosene indeed has more btu per gallon, but not per pound of fuel. With all the simple hydrocarbon fuels, btus is pretty much just a function of mass. Kerosene is denser so more btu per gallon. Compared to propane you are mostly saving the weight of pressure cylinders. A pound of any of them net weight will provide the same btus.

[@philipjean1086]

Propane is a non starter in attic conditions period

[@jmfa57]

The big advantage propane has in highly fire-prone, not terribly cold California is that the risk of spilling flammable liquid and causing a major conflagration is lower than liquid fuel lanterns and stoves. I vastly prefer the old school white gas devices (never tried kerosene) over propane for a variety of reasons, but out here, it does have its place, and as inexpensive as the stoves and lanterns are, I have some, mainly in case of earthquake disaster or other disruption to the supply chain. The little propane bottles can be refilled at home from a larger propane tank with an adapter available at Walmart, or even cheaper online.

[@fraudsarentfriends4717]

Kerosene At a hardware store is sold at a higher price since it is sold as a camping fuel and priced comparative to propane and Coleman fuel.Go to a home heating oil supplier and it will be less than diesel per gallon.you can’t use Coleman fuel indoors since it gives off carbon monoxide.Kersene gives off virtually no Carbon Monoxide so it can be safely used indoors.

[@ShadowZero27]

kerosene is not 100% clean and i would advise against using it indoors except for a last resort or in a well ventilated area

[@mmoss8576]

Try klean heat most hardwhare stores sale it pretty cheap same as kerosene and burns cleaner the amish use it moreover than regular kerosene

[@kenneth6731]

Paint thinner works as well.

[@box420]

Eh I just got a brand new petromax 550hk and love it put whatever heavy oil such has k1 or any seed oil

[@juanj24]

2013, 9$ damn (colenan fuel) i bought it for 12.92 in 2018 lol Cleveland GA, we’ll see in another 5yrs

[@GreySquirrelly1016]

I converted my 335 Canadian Coleman to kerosene with just a 339 generator and a preheat cup. I love the light and go of the white gas, but with the conversion, I can still burn white gas, pump gas or Kerosene, just need to preheat generator. I’m starting to like it, but I miss the quick light option.

[@spockmcoyissmart961]

Propanes advantage is for indoor light vs smell associated with liquid fuels.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

I'd agree with that. Indoor odor if someone is sensitive propane has an advantage

[@totallyfrozen]

Odor? Maybe. Carbon monoxide? Nah, they’re pretty much all the same. The carbon monoxide panic is overhyped. Coleman fuel lanterns and kerosene lanterns were originally designed to burn indoors. You don’t hear many historical stories of people dying mysteriously while burning lanterns in their homes.

[@davidnovakovich5583]

Though I have white gas and kerosene devices, I’m mostly storing propane now, as it has an indefinite shelf life, is cheaper if you fill the 20# tanks, less messy, less stinky, less finicky, even in very cold temps, and so much more convenient. White gas or kerosene may still be best in extreme cold though, although I’ve had no problems at 10 below F with the larger tanks.

[@fast2valve559]

By the way, for preheating I use 91% isopropyl alcohol it's much cheaper than denatured alcohol and works just as well. Wal-Mart has 16oz of 91% for $1.48.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

I buy dentured alcohol at rural king for 10 somthing a gallon. I use if for alot of things other than preheat. But hey do what works for ya. I mention in my how to light a kerosene lantern video. 91 rubbing alcohol works well and in some cases be easier to find than dentured. Thanks for the comment.

[@jasonmrenfro]

Hank hill is cringing right now

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

yea probably...poor guy haha

[@jasonmrenfro]

Huturn down fur hwut!

[@totallyfrozen]

LOL!

[@smallpaulissmall5582]

I just came across your video and to add my two cents, not to say one is better than the other but I find the benefit of propane is the ease of use. Screw on the canister and turn the knob and you're done! ( if you have the built in ignitor). For me once I used my propane with instastart, all the other steps in lighting my 321B white gas lantern seem like a bother if I am in a hurry.

[@douglaspost5097]

Hate to disagree but the main advantage to propane is cleanliness. You need a funnel or transfer pump to refill the lantern. With the propane, you spin the old cylinder off and spin the new one on. No splashing, over filing or anything else, no funnel needed. And if someone doesn't screw the cap on tightly and the can gets knocked over, you have a real mess. (Saw that happen one time) We use a two mantle Colman and a single mantle to light our common area when we're camping and they easily last two nights on a one pound cylinder playing cards into the wee hours, at one end of the picnic table and at the other end, the two mantle lamp is hooked up to a 20# tank using a tower kind of thing that has multiple outlets so we have two cook stoves and a light at the top. That tank will last 4-5 days using the light and running a grill and a griddle for cooking breakfast and supper for the 15-20 people that usually come with us. Pretty slick set up. Propane is my fuel of choice for camping lights. Very clean and very convenient, that's what the higher price buys you.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

I wonder deny that propane is cleaner to use. It has a distinct advantage their. And if prices of kero and white gas continue to outpace propane. Propane will likely have the advantage sooner rather than later.

[@ClownWhisper]

I just saw a video where guy rain is old Coleman stove off of 45 year old Coleman fuel

[@yellowgoose5043]

Been two years, how'd the price?

[@totallyfrozen]

In think the advantage of propane for the average, occasional, weekend warrior camper is that it’s much easier to light. The rookie doesn’t have to figure out how to fill the lantern without spilling fuel or learn how to pump air into the fount. Personally, I don’t like propane for any use. I prefer white gas (Coleman fuel) or kerosene. No doubt the safest fuel is kerosene. “They” say that Coleman fuel expires after a couple of years and must be used up. I just went camping this past weekend with my 424 stove and both of my 285 lanterns, and was burning fuel from a Coleman gas can that I opened 7 years ago. Stove burned so hot, the flame was invisible; and the lanterns burned white and so bright (on high) that everybody at the camp site was saying, “Man! Those things are BRIGHT!” I still have 2-1/3 gallons of Coleman fuel left. It smells worse than kerosene, but I love the stuff. Burns very hot (kerosene burns even hotter)! Gasoline “goes bad” because of the additives. Coleman fuel is unleaded gas without the additives. Does it go bad? Maybe, but it takes more than a dog’s age.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

I've burned coleman fuel that is over 1p years old and while it had yellowed and didnt smell to great it burned fine

[@17bigdawg]

Awesome beautiful lanterns...great vid. Always on the lookout for a decent 237. Thanks for sharing! I'm in Akron by the way as I heard you're in Northern Ohio

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

17bigdawg down near new phila actually

[@17bigdawg]

XxKnivesNGunsxX could I ask where you got your 639 if it was local? They are so hard to find, thanks!

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

17bigdawg it wasn't local I got it off amazon

[@17bigdawg]

Thanks!

[@kenrobison9528]

Using propane it is brighter. The cost is the same if you refill the small container.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

Pound for pound kerosene is brighter...it has more energy potential

[@5688gamble]

Propane is a bit more convenient, but if that's all I want I'll use LEDs as propane isn't that much easier to find than naphtha and I can buy paraffin in most hardware stores. Also propane is far more dangerous in a fire, naphtha is bad enough, kerosene won't burn without a wick or being heated and vaporized first so it is ideal. Add in that Coleman lamps and stoves will burn petrol/gasoline, which is substantially cheaper and more readily available than ANY of the other fuels and I simply couldn't justify using propane, maybe butane if I'm not going below -1C and if it could be refilled from a cheap lighter refill, those little butane fondue burners make very convenient stoves, if it could be used in a lantern or handwarmer too as liquid fuel can, I'd be tempted, liquid fuel is just more versatile, cheaper and easier to obtain, it can be found anywhere and used for anything and I don't need to mess around with adapters, fire-risk, potential frostbite, etc to make it cost effective, it is easy to transfer and store!

[@kimmer6]

Have you tried other mantles? I found that the Coleman Gold Top mantles are stronger and better survive the trip in the truck to the campground. I also noted that the Aladdin mantles burned with a brighter white light than the Coleman mantles which burn slightly yellow. The big surprise was that my Coleman 639C kerosene lantern on 100% K-1 kerosene burned brighter than the Coleman 220 and the Coleman 200A on Coleman fuel. I broke the mantle on the 639C and replaced it with a Peerless Brand mantle and WOW, clearly it put out the brightest light of them all. I video taped the lanterns hanging from the eaves and you can clearly see that the circle of light on the wall was the biggest around the 639C. It also has the whitest light. I think Peerless used Thorium in their mantles. Coleman reformulated their mantle treatment some years ago as Thorium is slightly radioactive.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

I have tried tons of different mantles and find the best to be the old big weave silk lite mantles of the days of old. but the peerless are very close second. The big 639s are rated at 550 candle power and will kick the snot out of most 220s. That's another advantage of kerosene. it has more potential than Coleman fuel. so the bring on the light

[@aigleperseverant]

One of propane's big puller is the fact that you just screw the bottle and go. No flammable liquid handling, no tank pressurizing, no generator preheating. That being said, I never liked propane. Call me nostalgic or whatever, propane is a necessary evil for my BBQ grill and that's the only use I have for it. And for me, fueling, pumping and preheating is all part of a fun experience. Where is the fun when all you have to do is push an off/on button on a LED lantern? And with a stove, when the propane bottle is 3/4 empty, all you can do is simmering or cook something that needs a low flame. If you need to boil a large pot of water to cook pasta, you have to put a new bottle and save the 1/4-full bottle for, let say, breakfast; so there's some blind management to do with propane and it does not provide pressure flexibility like liquid-fuel stoves.

[@goatmoag]

I'm not big on propane either, though I can see it having some advantage in convenience, small lot portability, to get it going, getting done, and getting out. I'm a big fan of kerosene as many know, but like the white gas appliances too. Especially since I run regular gas in everything that takes white gas, which rather helps the economic aspect. As hard as it is to believe some parts of the country claim they can't find cheap kerosene like we have here where we be, and can only find it in the can or bottle. About $4.20 or so been setting for awhile now. Check out get go. No tax on top. Must be included in the price, so it is usually cheaper as they tend to compete with the price of speed way if one is around.

[@Saltfly]

If you refill your propane with a large propane tank, the propane is cheaper, cleaner, and less hassle. That being said I use kerosene and white gas most of the time. Just because

[@goldenglowladore3842]

I'm new to this channel/ subject. Are there kerosene lanterns to steer clear from buying? If needed, what else could substitute as a mantle? I'll try to stock up though. Feedback welcome.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

I'd stay away from all petromax clones except Aida. And no nothing can be used except mantles

[@fast2valve559]

I run mineral spirits in my 237 with peerless 111 mantle. Pretty darn bright

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

Yel they will burn mineral spirits well. Seeing as how mineral spirits is a lighter kerosene it is definitely a safe alternative and would probly burns with less odor as well. Peerless mantles are awesome as well. Thanks for the comment.

[@sideshowbilly3755]

Uh... Propane is FAR more readily available. It's not even close. If/when SHTF, you will find more propane than kerosene or Coleman fuel. Propane tanks can be refilled for cheap (even the small 1-lb. ones) Propane is cleaner burning (less fumes , less odor than kerosene or Coleman fuel) Propane can be stored on your property in VASTLY larger quantities from legal standpoint, to safety, to logistical . Kerosene and Coleman Fuel are NOT safer then propane. They are more prone to catching your house on fire, produces some carbon monoxide if heater isnt well-maintained. Coleman fuel is toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause lung damage if swallowed, vapors may cause drowsiness and dizziness, skin contact may cause irritation to skin. Coleman fuel contains octane, nonane, cyclohexane, pentane and heptane... all of which are carcinogenic (cause cancer). And..... Fast-forward to 2022... Things are very very different now as far as fuel cost and availability. I'll take the propane, thanks.

[@michaelwoods9005]

Propane is a pain in the ass. The bottles are bulky, they're expensive, you have to keep several on hand if you have a propane lantern and stove.. 1 gallon of coleman fuel or Crown camp fuel will last me an entire 4 day camping trip with fuel to spare; and that's running 2 lanterns and a 2-burner stove. Propane stinks too, coleman fuel fumes are much more pleasant.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

I agree fully

[@MrB17bomber]

propane is more convenient thats what people like and there is no mess. i use unleaded gas in all my Coleman stuff with seafoam to keep things clean and stop fuel break down i have a 502 Coleman works great on unleaded gas and burns hotter.

[@wheredidileavemycell]

There's a video of a dude running a vintage lantern with regular lamp oil...he had to hear up the generator but he got it to light

[@totallyfrozen]

wheredidileavemycell Lamp oil isn’t much different than kerosene.

[@browndogdude5400]

Propane has an indefinite shelf life. Bulk tank adapters address some of the cost issues but of course are not as portable as the expensive cylinders. Distribution trees and hoses can work well for the right situation for propane. Storing too much Coleman fuel can void your homeowners insurance if you store too much, It does not take much to do this in an attached garage. Outbuildings are better and allow for more storage. This is often not the case or at least not to the same extent with propane as with Coleman fuel.(Read your policy to be sure what the limits are, you don't want to give your insurer an excuse not to pay out if you have a house fire even if your stored fuel had nothing to do with it). Kerosene you can often store more without voiding your insurance but you still will have limits, and like you pointed out kerosene has far longer shelf life and much greater safety. Kerosene also is awesome in pressure or wick stoves and even for heating (kerosene heaters are still fairly common). They have even made kerosene refrigerators an even kerosene powered fans were made 100 years ago. It is possible to use the kerosene appliances indoors with proper ventilation. Never do that with Coleman fuel or really even propane, (propane heaters being perhaps an exception, but I would not do it personally). Coleman fumes or leaking gas have too much of an explosion risk, and camping gear is not as overbuilt for safety as your home natural gas appliances--they were intended to be used outside. Keep a diversity of fuels and equipment if possible, because in SHTF you never know what will be available, but understand both insurance and safety risks. The safest fuel to store will always be wood pellets kept in sealed 5 gallon buckets to keep the termites at bay, but they do not have the flexibility, power or convenience of fossil fuels. You can not use wood indoors outside of a fireplace like kerosene either. But if you have a fireplace, wood pellets and a good rocket stove like the biolite can be awesome for a grid down situation. Good video and good discussion however. Just thought I would add a little to the discussion.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

Good points made in this...thanks for bringing up the insurance. Never even thought of that.

[@browndogdude5400]

+XxKnivesNGunsxX Most don't think about it and insurance companies will do anything they can to get out of paying a claim, but will drop you in a second if you get behind on your premiums. Brick or cinder block shed is good if you have the space for it to store more fuels. Coleman fuel brings back fond memories of camping with dad in the 70s and eighties. I still have a lot of fun with my stoves.

[@ryancork5281]

Also the fact that ALL liquid fuels will go eventually go bad even if your using excellent storage agents like Sta-bil. Like you said..........hi quality refill devices are available nowadays so regular Joes can refill 1lb canisters from without blowing themselves up like people have done in the past. Even if you don't wanna refill, propane is still cheap...period. You can still get a 20lber refilled from a mom and pop Propane place for less than $20.00 Coleman Fuel prices have skyrocketed and it doesn't store as well as propane. Hank Hills fuel is NUMERO UNO!!!

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

+Ryan Cork I agree on coleman fuel...but kerosene is still the best option for emergency preparedness for the simple fact. Serviceability. Propane fuel may store( although kerosene in a metal container such as a 50 gallon drum will store indefinitely) they are near impossible to work on and service. Special o rings. gaskets being epoxied into place. Leaks develope in Propane appliances over time that simply don't in their liquid fuel counterparts. You can keep a kerosene lantern going long term ( seriously long term like 25 years ) with a 6 dollar parts kit from coleman. You can not beat reliability and Serviceability in a near apocalyptic situation. That's why the kero lantern still reigns supreme.

[@MiniDevilDF]

Currently the Propane Northstar is the brightest by about 30%. Nothing else made by coleman right now can come close. Sad too because I prefer liquid fuels.

[@bernardshelton7349]

What mantels do you recommend to use for the brightest light of the lantern? I have the 220 J & K models

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

Peerless available at old Coleman parts .com

[@backyardbuck6362]

iv always herd that Coleman fuel last at least 10 yrs and kerosene last about 2 yrs

[@totallyfrozen]

Backyard Buck I think you have those recommendations backwards. That said, this past weekend I burnt 7 year old fuel in my 424 stove and my two 285 lanterns without any problems. Kerosene can last many years. Personally, I think those recommendations are a bit of marketing hype to get us to keep buying fuel. I’ve never found any of the fuel difficult to light or abnormally smokey or anything.

[@straightpipec6099]

Amen brother.

[@joemama22]

Gasoline is a good choice... The cheapest by far... It's the fuel I use most... Where I live in CA , kerosene costs about as much as white fuel... I run all my Coleman stoves and lanterns on gasoline... You just have to know how to clean the generator once in a while.

[@travismoore7849]

can you run a 10% methanol 90% kerosene?

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

I wouldnt recommend it. I try my best to avoid methanol.

[@travismoore7849]

@@XxKnivesNGunsxX Because it is a solvent My bad. Ethanol or isopropyl alcohol would be better.

[@UPES2018]

What burns cleaner/less fumes, Coleman fuel or kerosene?

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

Kerosene once running has less smell...but it tends to have some odor upon initial lighting and shutdown. Kerosene puts off less carbon monoxide if that matters to you.

[@totallyfrozen]

Coleman fuel smells pretty strong in liquid form. I’ve noticed no odor while burning. Carbon monoxide production is based on how completely the fuel burns. That is dependent upon air flow. All things being equal, the lighter the fuel, the more completely is should burn. So in ideal, laboratory conditions, propane would be cleanest then Coleman fuel and lastly kerosene. In truth, experiments have been done which show that once the burner has come up to operational temperature-and with adequate oxygen available-none of these fuels will produce enough carbon monoxide to be of concern.

[@drewdougan]

Search for "Brightest LED Lantern Ever" brought me here.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

these are brighter than any led I know of...784 lumens.

[@lance16O1]

Technology connections

[@coldsmoker9387]

Don't do what I did,ran out of Colman fuel ,ended up burning 40:1 premixed avgas 100ll .it ran for a tank or two then clogged off the generator

[@Madrock75]

Not no more 3.7 liters is 37.99

[@trailwatcher5]

Convenience my man, convenience. Cleaner and easier to use, especially for inexperienced. You are only looking at cost. You have to pay for more convenience. REPEAT AFTER ME, CONVENIENCE.

[@totallyfrozen]

Ghostpondfishermen The key word in your reply is “inexperienced”. Carting those steel bottles around is not my idea of convenience. They take up space, but are not refillable.

[@trailwatcher5]

@@totallyfrozen in your video you said you can't understand the benefit of propane. I tried to make it clear to you what the benefit was, (convenience) since it appears to have escaped you. Plus it's easier for the inexperienced to use. There's more of a learning curve for the other fuels. I personally use coleman fuel.

[@totallyfrozen]

Ghostpondfishermen Just to clarify, it isn’t my video. This isn’t my channel. I’m just a viewer like you.

[@I..cast..fireball]

@@totallyfrozen lol

[@colinmeredith2590]

Why would you bother to mix Coleman fuel into your Kerosene.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

Coleman fuel is an excellent cleaner and keeps the generator working longer in between cleaninga

[@morayjames92]

nice lanterns thanks.

[@stylecampchannel7079]

Wow beautiful

[@t28ruger44]

White gas is just non ethanol premium gas.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

no not quite. white has doesnt have additive packages or octane boosters and is naptha based. gasoline has alot of things in it that make it much dirtier burning in this application

[@whistlingdixietv4472]

He knows you can run these on gasoline right

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

In a pinch maybe. But I wouldn't suggest it long term. The gasoline will ruin your generators in a short time.

[@usamachinist]

@@XxKnivesNGunsxX I just bought a dual fuel lantern recently. Do you have any thoughts on adding a little Sea Foam to unleaded gasoline to keep the generator clean? I haven't heard anyone talk about that! I prefer to run camp fuel, but like being able to run unleaded gas in a pinch!

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

@@usamachinist honestly bud I have no clue on that one

[@jammin1881]

Liquid fuel/petrol is better for survival situation. Where as propane is better if not. They are just as bright but the fumes from fuel ones are over the top. Wooden hut or fishing hut its propane ALL the way........

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

if you are getting excessive fumes from you're liquid fuel lanterns...it may be running rich. The good news is they are easily user serviceable.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

you are lucky to find propane at such a good price if it were that cheap around me it may be an option

[@crackpotcrackpot2504]

Kerosene UK pariffin as hi have both coleman powerhouse and tilley and hi can tell you from first hand Kerosene pariffine in UK is way cheaper and better and less dangerous and burns way better my tilley is orsome My coleman powerhouse is carp comperd to my tilley

[@ClownWhisper]

You sound tanked

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

Clown Whisper I don't drink...but this was filed at 3 in the morning or so after a 12 hour shift so yea probably a little on the slurry side

[@mr.wrongthink.1325]

LED is better that any you show.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

oh really how so...the fact that most of these lanterns 2 of these three lanterns are over 40 years old and still working proves that wrong. The only argument that can be made is weight savings for backpacking.

[@mr.wrongthink.1325]

+XxKnivesNGunsxX 40 years and still working means very little. You don't know how durable are good LED lamps. I would bet some money they can shine for 100 years. My LED lanterns seem to give good amount of light, are safe, can use inside, won't get burned, last longer, no recurring cost except of recharging batteries, and the light is white and not yellow. And no noise either. I see zero advantage in gas lanterns. I understand that people are nostalgic and prefer old ways they know already.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

Firstly even the best recharging lanterns run off 18650 ni mh batteries. These batteries are great. But the limitations are also great. 500 cycles reduces the voltage and usable mah to a level of non useability. So they won't run indefinitely. So no they won't make it 100 years. Actually they won't make it 50 nor even 10. The useful life of these batteries are right at 5 years. So the cost seems greater when you have to replace them at that rate now doesn't it. I'm not saying led doesn't have its place. It is safer for little ones and they rock for inside the tents. But when push comes to shove the longevity and build quality of these lanterns are far above what leds can do. But to each there own cheers man.

[@mr.wrongthink.1325]

+XxKnivesNGunsxX Yes, batteries have limited recharge cycles. So, that could be considered a recurring cost for LED lanterns. However, the cost of replacing batteries every few years is way below replacing gas canisters and mantles over the same number of years.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

+Andy Hoffman sad thing is you can't replace just the battery packs you have to replace the whole lantern. if you get one with replaceable battery packs it's double. let's move to durability for a second. mantles are cheap a 4 pack of peerless mantles runs on average about 2 bucks that's 50 cents a mantle. these mantles are extremely rugged often lasting years but let's just say it only lasts a year. you'll get 4 years of run time per mantle. these dont run on fuel canisters these all run on kero or Coleman fuel. let's talk kero. Averaging right now around the nation at 4.00 bucks a gallon. this lantern runs 6 hours per two pints. that's 48 hours of non stop light. The great thing is no recharging is required. When it empties just fill it back up. What does this mean? That means if you have no access to power this will still provide light. Getting back to durability what if your LED gets wet. most are only rated to IPX- 2 standards. A sudden downpour will kill 90 percent of LED lanterns. meanwhile the liquid fuel is happily chucking along through a rainstorm. Forget about the LED of it takes a serious dunking the worst that happens to a liquid fuel lantern is you ruin a mantle. no sweat. Replace it in field with nothing more than a pocket knife. That's what makes these lanterns so great. They are totally user serviceable. They can be totally broken down in the field with little more than a multi tool and put back into service. If the led cooks a wire have fun without diagram and a degree in electrical engineering. But like I said to each there own. if your an ultralight backpacker then Heck yes bring an LED they weigh waaayyyy less and are decently dependable. If your camping in the back yard with the 5 and 3 year old absolutely bring the LED. They have there place for sure. But for absolute bottom dollar reliability,serviceability, and heirloom quality a liquid fuel lantern is still even in modern days the ultimate in camp/shtf lighting

[@SOLDOZER]

This guy has no idea what he's talking about..haha.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

Care to make a better video explaining in greater detail why I'm so wrong?

[@SOLDOZER]

@@XxKnivesNGunsxX Your only argument against propane was "It sucks". You say it's "heavy", but a gallon of liquid weighs almost 10 pounds. Thats a lot heavier than a couple 1 pound bottles. You say you the need the ignition speed of fuel to look for escaped cattle. But lighting a propane bottle IS faster, AND it puts out 1500 lumens, that's almost TWICE the lumens of liquid fuel. They make 1 pound propane bottle that are designed to be refilled, so they can be refilled for under $1.00. Refueling a propane lantern is faster, less messy, no spilling fuel or messing with funnels, no preheating, no having to carry alcohol around also for ignition. Unless you're are camping A LOT, I don't see any reason to mess with liquid fuels other than nostalgia.

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

@@SOLDOZER no my argument is valid...kerosene is more efficient at providing light in portable camping lanterns. Propane is cleaner that is fact however pound for pound efficiency the kerosene will best a propane lantern. 1 pound of kerosene has more energy than 1 pound of propane 135k vs 91k...that is fact. There have been multiple tests on coleman collectors forum to back this up run times. Longer burn times averge out to less weight pretty quickly. Also kerosene lanterns as a whole are better built than modern propane lanterns. Liquid fuel lanterns stand the test of time and their track records speak for themselves. 70 or even 80 years old and they fire up after very little work. Good luck doing that with a propane lantern that requires o rings and valve set ups that are prone to failure. Dont even get started on cold weather performance. Where liquid fuel has zero issues with even sup zero temps propane like to start getting janky under 20 degrees or so. You've made valid points but saying I haven't made any is foolish. Dig what you dig.

[@balmoresegovia8853]

What about diesel

[@XxKnivesNGunsxX]

Diesel like gasoline have additives that aren't really. Conducive to lanterns so I'd it'd be best to avoid them