Is enviolo the best internally geared hub for eBikes?

[@Propelbikes]

Hey everyone! Thanks so much for watching. If you're interested in learning more about bikes featuring the Enviolo system, check out the links in the description! ✌

[@soupvis2616]

It does NOT shift when you are pedalling ( you will kill it )

[@NedEntwhistle]

Another great video. Very informative. My generation was promised a flying car by now, but an electric bike is really nice to have.

[@mtbkmaniac1]

Where the Heck IS my Flying Car!?

[@laughingvampire7555]

who promised that? cartoon & sci-fi writers not engineers. It turns out the design goals for a great car are opposing to the design goals of a great plane, so a flying car is only going to be a less than mediocre car and a less than mediocre airplane. So the closest thing we are going to have is those huge multicopters.

[@Kenaroni]

@@laughingvampire7555 We were also promised video phones, if you watch old Bell Telephone promo movies from the 1960’s. Well we all finally have one in our hands, but as it turns out, very few people want to talk on video, lol.

[@pincus321]

I have one of these in Australia and I added it to a recumbent which has made the experience very smooth and a real improvement. I don’t understand why there is not more hype about them. They are so superior to traditional geared with their fragility.

[@FTezner]

I have the Enviolo 380 on my Priority Continuum Onyx (a commuter bike with a carbon belt but not an electric bike), and I think it is great. My experience is consistent with this video. It's very intuitive. At first it's easy to get confused about which direction you should turn the shifter, but you get the hang of it pretty quickly.

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks so much for sharing! Great to hear your enjoying it. I’m a big fan

[@jimhood1202]

I also had an adjustment period with the shifter. I would have rigged them the opposite way so it twists towards the rider for a lower ratio. Other than that, no complaints.

[@smallblockchevy1022]

@@Propelbikes Please can you help me with a good starting point on a rear sprocket? I just ordered a brand new, old stock N171(which I'm sure you know is the same as the Enviolo) and would like to know number of tooth rear gear I should get for it for a steep hill climbing mountain bike application? My current setup is 46 tooth single chainring up front, 14 tooth to 34 tooth cassette on the rear. I think I can handle loosing the equivalent of two speeds on the top, and having all the rest of the gain on the bottom. Would a 22 or 23 tooth sprocket on the rear accomplish this for me? I'm having trouble finding any information on this. Whether you decide to answer or not, Thanks

[@e-bikeskibum7141]

@@subinct Hi Don! I am looking at some Riese & Muller bikes with Propel and my concern with the Enviolo 380 is that it does not have the range to do some rides in the mountains. I have a great tour planned from GOlden, CO to Grand Junction, CO with 24,000 of climbing. With a bike loaded with touring gear, I would think the Enviolo would have not the gear ratio to handle that well. I know the Rohloff has 526%, but it is much more expensive.

[@briannugent5518]

I have been using the earlier Nuvinci N360 for 2 yrs in the front wheel of my self built front wheel drive (moving bottom bracket) Cruzbike T50 recumbent with a rear electric motor and I generally like it for my transport needs. Its efficiency is significantly less than a typical derailleur because there is friction loss. A special fluid momentarily solidifies as its squeezes between the 9 planets and the very close input and output clutches. A few specialist sites comparing it with Rohloff hubs reckon its about 83% versus mid to high 90s% for geared hubs. I totally concur with that. I also agree this loss is a worthwhile trade on an e-bike. When fixing a flat, there is the extra work of releasing a catch on one cable end on the hubs shift ring then popping out the other cable end. When reinstalling the wheel, I have to remember which cable end goes into which spot and to not rotate the shift ring out of alignment. As I recall, Fallbrook recommends any mid drive motor limit its power to 350W, not a problem in Europe but I'd be shy to use a 750W mid drive here in the US.

[@justinraywolfe]

3:23 Mad props for the subtle engineering genius of this frame geometry. Not only does the tensioner pulley maintain proper belt tension-it also raises the belt further off the ground and eliminates the need for a rear triangle split for replacing belts. It's a shame they didn't make the tensioner pulley arm open on one side for a tool-free setup.

[@whitelotus_zero]

Well spotted!

[@dante1440]

Can you name this bike model and maybe some others in the vid?

[@tobiassauer9499]

that's a riese+müller homage

[@randysmitchell4810]

Having used the NuVinci Enviolo 380 for the last 4 years on my recumbent delta trike - I absolutely recommend this.

[@darbo7]

I bought an Enviolo-powered Tern HSD S+ last year for my wife and we both absolutely love it. Now I want one for myself and am just waiting for Propel to get more in stock. Unfortunately, we don’t have a Tern dealer near us, so I wish this channel could give us some support with some maintenance videos. In particular I’d love to see something as simple as how to change a rear flat tire on our HSD S+. The belt drive poses an intimidating complication compared to changing a flat on simple chain driven bikes.

[@Propelbikes]

Awww thanks David! I will try to add more of those videos soon. I’m thinking I’m going to need more help to do it, but we are working on it. We have some stuff in the pipeline. For the bike, I think there are some coming if you want to shoot us an email

[@darbo7]

@@Propelbikes That’s fantastic…thanks! I’ll get that email sent.

[@meibing4912]

I understand your worry about taking off the belt drive. However, most belt driven cycles today have excellent centring systems to make correct alignment an easy thing. Also a belt tension tool is a great way of avoiding the guesswork of having the correct belt tension.

[@darbo7]

@@meibing4912 Thanks for your supportive reply Mei. Happily, since I posted my comment I have managed to do a rear tire change and install Tannus armor inserts. Everything went back together quite nicely like you said it would. That said, it was an unnecessarily stressful experience because the Tern manual didn’t provide any documentation for belt drive rear wheel removal.

[@evevangelist5910]

I tried out an EBike with an Enviolo hub and automatic shifting. It took me a while to get used to the way it automatically shifted and I did have the option to manually shift as well. But once I got the hang of it, I really liked the auto shift feature and almost never used the manual. Unfortunately, the bike had motor problems and I opted to return it under the company’s 30 day satisfaction guarantee. But I sometimes long for that amazing experience of automatic shift. I’m glad to see other manufacturers incorporating these features now as well!

[@tedjacobson7822]

Which bike was it if it’s okay to ask?

[@pedro_mg]

Thank you, also love these more tech videos, so cool how they fit them on a bike.

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks! Much appreciated!

[@danielkidd3338]

I purchased 2 nice upper end Treks electric bikes last spring. Circled western half of country with grandson home from college. Started studying other bikes and settled on R and M Homage mostly through your suggestion. Way easier on my 75 yr old back which has witnessed many breaks. What a beautiful machine. I went to purchase hottest one from Ann Arbor Mi shop and lady who owned shop talked me into version for older guys with Evolo trans. Ride every day possible for 7 months on Metro bike trails and moving to Keys for winter to attempt to wear it out. What a beautifully engineered machine.

[@Propelbikes]

Nice Daniel! I hope you continue to enjoy :)

[@opabarnhoorn5445]

Ever since I first tried out an Enviolo Automatiq, I wanted to have one. Having cycled pretty long trips in my younger days, I wanted to resume trekking after retirement. Finally at 76 I got a Trek (city bike) with that gear. Absolutely great! For several years I have done week long trips, engaging the motor only when going uphill. So while switching the motor on and off to accommodate for terrain, I need no gear shift at all! From 5 to 35 kph continuously easy pedalling. Less efficient, for sure, but only 1-2%. My old bike with rusty chain and worn 7-gear hub is at least 5% less efficient than a derailleur. Remember: no maintenance required!

[@teleguy5699]

I have the Enviolo on my new Gazelle Eclipse. I'm an older gentleman too. Why did you pick that "version for older guys". I'm very happy with what I got btw.

[@vincentdelporte]

2:32 A significant difference with other gear hubs. When stopped, only about ~50-70% of the range is available. To reach more, the wheel must be spinning. Do NOT force the shifter: At best, the fastener at the end might snap out of the hub; At worst, the cable will fray inside the shifter.

[@IngerMaaike2]

I put an enviolo on my azub trike, the assist is a tongsheng mid drive. I am in love with the enviolo gear. Been cycling for transport all my life and this really is worth every penny. No more fidgeting around with screws and such. It just works. The fact that it is continuous is absolutely fantastic.

[@Propelbikes]

Super cool! Sounds like fun!

[@jonk8337]

I have a 52v BBSHD on my recumbent Catrike Villager paired with an Alfine 8 speed IGH (26”). I want to try the Nuvinci N360 (20”). Any thoughts?

[@ralfangermann1844]

I love the Enviolo system, its my favorite. I personally prefer the manual version over the automatic one. But yeah keep up the great videos. I love them. Wish you had a store here ;-). Cheers from Switzerland.

[@Propelbikes]

Much appreciated Ralf! I wish we had a store there too! I do certainly enjoy visiting for now though

[@sethpeterson6452]

I built a Surly Troll with an Enviolo hub for my wife's winter commuter. It is such a great hub. I need one on my bike too. It is a little heavy, but all that weight is directly over your drive wheel (which can be helpful--especially in winter). The next upgrade is a Veer split belt drive, then it will really be maintenance free.

[@thatsnomoon3614]

Why Veer instead of Gates?

[@sethpeterson6452]

@@thatsnomoon3614 The Gates belt is a continuous loop so you need a frame that you can "break" or a really high chainstay for it to work. The Veer belt can be "broken" so it can work with any old bike frame.

[@thatsnomoon3614]

@@sethpeterson6452 Ah, I see. Thanks

[@StellarFella]

Your videos are spot on informative.

[@drajdew1664]

I have ebike with enviolo automatiq. In the begining, I was skeptical but after some time I am fully convinced this is the drive train I want. No need to worry about changing gears and so quiet. The downside is bit of drag but with ebikes, it should not matter.

[@eminor2dee]

After decades of riding bikes, I recently got a Tern HSD S+ with the Enviolo universal hub and I love it.

[@franciscoblaha2364]

I have with my R&M Roadster... having had derailers for over 40 years was quite weird initially... but is so intuitive and you get used to it... also the smoothness and silence changing gears are very appealing. The analog interphase with the hill getting steeper or flatter in front of the rider, is very cute... and total family favourite

[@honghong-sx1fh]

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[@franciscoblaha2364]

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[@ERidesOn2]

Great video as always! I choose the Priority Current e-bike because of info on your videos. They seemed to have the components I preferred for my wife's bike. Sadly the support was terrible. No manual! Nothing. Your really on your own after purchase. It arrived with a damaged front wheel and brake rotor. They blamed it on FedEx but it likely traveled a long way before FedEx handled it. Like from China? They refused to send me a new wheel & rotor, and take back the damaged wheel, but instead said I had to bring it to a shop to be repaired. I had to drop it off and pic it up. 4 trips at over a 20 minute drive each way. That's 1.5 hours of driving MY car. Twice mount and dismount the bike rack as well. Now I have a repaired bike for a gift. It seems now to have a parasitic drain. If I let the bike sit for more than a week it drains itself halfway. I called and asked about it and got nowhere except that I should charge both batteries again to see what happens. Same crap. Big regrets..... I guess customer service isn't a "Priority" at Priority Bicycles.

[@ropeysubstance1719]

Do any bike shops sell the Priority Current in their stores so that way I don't have to have it shipped to me and experience what you experienced? I'd rather buy it in store to confirm there's no damage from shipping

[@tmo7734]

Very nice video, Chris. Keep up the good work. Thank you.

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks! I appreciate the support!

[@lisa3354]

Thanks for your Videos, love them. 👍 The Enviolo hub is good for Cargo-bikes and inner city drive. I personally like the Rohloff E14, because of the higher efficiency. If you want to ride more sporty or at higher speed, the E14 is the better hub. Especially when pedaling beyond the speed limiter. 😊

[@rossac9221]

Thanks, I have a 2021 Homage evolio and realise now the E14 would be better for getting the most out of my bike for sporty and steep track riding, and easier shifting ect I may get my bike converted over next year. Ross

[@lisa3354]

@@rossac9221 Hey Ross, „Homage“, that’s also what I‘m looking for. Currently, for about 2 years and 15000km, I‘ll ride a Supercharger with E14. I‘ll really enjoy the comfort and performance of the E14 hub in combination with the Bosch Performance Line CX engine! But my next bike will be the Homage with E14. It‘s definitely the better one. More comfort and performance. Like that step through with rear axle suspension! 😊

[@Alanicus1]

Excellent introduction to this gearing system!

[@starbatuss]

Great video (again) - your videos in general helped a lot for selecting drivetrain for my Multicharger. And it is indeed Enviolo. Keep up the good work

[@peterterrell1712]

Thanks for a good explanation. Mine is a Kalkoff German bike with Vinci 360 electronic shift - manual and automatic. It has worked well for 5000 miles but seems slow to change down when stationery now - maybe some wear? Sometimes it seems a bit clattery, but generally it is smooth and so far, durable. I cycle over stuff where only mountain bikes should go with rocks rolling under the wheels and hitting the spokes. The 250W motor (max permitted in Europe) transmits power through the gear system to get me up 1:3 hills - sometimes so steep the front wheel comes up and I fall off. Whilst there's life, there's hope, and I hope it lasts another 4 mths. for my 80th birthday!

[@magicalcat2000]

Very neat concept - the animation helped visualize how it works

[@pincus321]

I add one of these to my recumbent as starting from a total stop and the ability to dial in the lowest gear is just premier. It has made the whole experience very smooth and enjoyable

[@thisscootinglife2360]

Interesting video, thanks. I have an N380 with Bosch drive and it’s a fantastic package for city commuter - painless and easy. I recently looked into converting from manual to automatiq and it stirred up my latent unease about the complexity and potential obsolescence of e-bikes. Whilst the shifter replacement is straight forward and within my capacity to do, integrating into the drive system requires: the bike manufacturer to be persuaded to release bike specific software files - which they may or may not do; the motor to be sent to a Bosch service centre (my nearest one is 3000kms away); and probably to maintain warranty the motor removal by a Bosch authorised LBS even though also within my capability. If Bosch is feeling generous they may allow the LBS to do the upgrading. So mechanically simple change for experienced bike hands but requiring coordination of three individual parties of various reluctance to do a software update. I opted to skip the hassle but i would have liked to try it…

[@alexbasson]

I have a Priority Contiuum Onyx (which isn't an e-bike) with the Enviolo drivetrain, and I can't speak highly enough of it. It's so smooth and intuitive, and I just never have to think much about it. Priority also offers it as an option on their e-bike.

[@northhammerfl]

I put an Eviolo 330 on my 40 year old Norco Mountaineer. Works a treat. I kept the two front chain rings and rear derailleur for chain tension.

[@MrBaptista]

I ride a HSD S8i and love that combo. I've tested a few Enviolo equipped bikes, but I find I like my gears to have steps better. Maybe it's because I'm really used to. So, for me Bosch motor + Nexus 8 + belt drive hits the sweet spot. It's a bit less expensive, a bit less weighty, a bit less bulky on the rear hub (looks also count) and equally reliable and equally maintenance free. Range is also more than enough, even for hilly cities like the one I live in.

[@Propelbikes]

Nice Miguel! That’s a great bike and a great combo as well for sure!

[@mleys3248]

I had a Riese und Muller speed pedelec with the Enviolo system. The Enviolo system was amazing, I really liked it. I am looking for a used electric bike for my son (19) and I am definitely taking the Enviolo system into account.

[@rachavya]

Here's some input from a 69-yr-old who's been cycling for 56 years. A CVT does have a lot of benefits, just as you mentioned. From my childhood days, when I drove a 3-speed Sturmey Archer-based "English racer" in NYC, I can agree that a 3.8x ratio between lowest and highest gears suffices. At the other extreme, for adventure biking, I'd recommend a greater range, such that the high-end remains around 108 gear inches, but the low-end drops to something around 20 gear inches. Not only must an adventure bike have the low gearing of a mountain bike, but there's also the challenge of hauling extra weight (for all the supplies needed when gone for days, weeks, or months at a time). You also mention "efficiency," but fail to explain what you mean by it. I surmise you are referring to the mechanical losses (for example, due to friction) that make the power coming out of the transmission (delivered to the wheel) less than the power (delivered by the belt) into the transmission. This concept is just like we see in cars, where the horsepower coming out of an engine via crankshaft doesn't all arrive to the drive wheels. When one's battery is stout, and traveling distance short, some drop in efficiency can be tolerated, as long as it's reasonable. However, when going for longer distances and contributing to the power by pedaling, one had better maximize efficiency. How do the efficiencies of the Rohloff and Enviolo compare?

[@simonm1447]

Rohloff reaches over 90 %, while the Enviolo should be around 83 %. A youtuber called Cyclingabout from Australia made a video about this topic. A well maintained derailleur system can reach nearly 97 %, but thats for a clean , lubricated chain. If it's dirty or not lubricated the efficiency is lower. On an E bike the efficiency isn't a real showstopper, on a normal bike however almost 15 % difference are recognizable.

[@JasperJanssen]

97-98 if well maintained *and* with perfect chain line and large cogs. The extreme cogs are always going to be less efficient due to chain line and the smaller cogs are less efficient due to the chain doing more work in wrapping around the small cogs. On average more like 90-93 real world.

[@amafi_poe]

I've had my charger 3 with the enviolo hub and gates belt drive for about a month now. 450ish miles on it so far and I absolutely love it

[@EckmanJones]

I have a N380 on my Catrike Expedition with a few thousand miles on it, still no problems. It's just perfect.

[@jonk8337]

Human power or e-assist?

[@EckmanJones]

@@jonk8337 Human powered, the N380 is continuously variable.

[@anooseholay]

Nice of you to give a shout out to another channel. I subscribed because of it!

[@PeterPutz82]

I have tern gsd with twist enviolo. Definitely back off power when shifting. At first I shifted under load but it got a little stiffer. I've since shifted without load and seems to be fine now. It's a great system, worth the extra money. One downside is if the twist shift gets wet it can be slippery and hard to shift. Not a big issue, but enviolo could work on increasing grip when wet on the twister in the future.

[@kammahey5496]

Have the manual version on my Charger 3 HS, cannot say a bad word about it. Very pleased with it.

[@anthonylavelle7229]

Interesting video, thanks for the information...

[@Propelbikes]

Thank you for sharing and commenting!

[@GabrieleKucich]

Hi Chris, I have the automatic version of enviolo on my bike and I will never go back to manual system. I use the bike for going around the city and for going to work and I can say that this system it's really enjoiable and usefull. You can be more focused on the traffic and don't care about shifting. Thanks for the video!

[@StellarFella]

You bring out a good point. The intersection taking place between the American performance objective and the European practical and low maintenance commute one.

[@seanrice7511]

When I saw the animation I was reminded of a prototype automatic transmission Honda developed for a true motorcycle (not CV scooter). Something like a ‘wobbling’ setup inside. Love these new technologies to get people to ride more. Gear shifting is the bane of most casual riders that I think prevents them from being regular riders, or at least willing to explore more, further out of their comfort zone.

[@johnreese3762]

Great info/video! I didn't know this was that big!

[@robbertopsomer1862]

Changed my rear tire today on my R&M 2020 Tinker. You did not show it in the video but it was such an easy task, I was scared it would be very complex but you pretty much only need a 15mm wrench to take your wheel out and that's all. I am confident I could do this on the side of the road even

[@bungee7503]

We’re using two, on a long tour. Working fine.

[@CycleCalm]

I ride hercules cargo bikes for work, and an urban arrow with a volunteer food bank, and both types have enviolo hubs, though the former ones are quite a lot older, (I think from 2016?), and the shifters are pretty stiff; you can't twist it while pedaling, or shift down very far when at a standstill. Not sure how much is down to ageing and use vs improved design, but the newer urban arrow which I think is from 2019 is quite a lot smoother to use in every aspect. Regardless, I still prefer even the stiff old enviolo over any other gear system as far as a cargo bike application is concerned, being able to shift almost instantly from highest to lowest gear ratio and without pedalling is invaluable in the hilly and chaotic streets I do deliveries at. I'm happy sticking with the derailleur I have on my personal touring eBike though, as it's a bit cheaper and more efficient, and being caught in the wrong gear isn't really a concern with a 25kg bike, compared to a 50kg cargo bike with another 50kg of groceries.

[@ladamyre1]

I've been riding a Priority Turi for two years and it's Enviolo N300 is a dream to ride. The Gates belt drive has worked flawlessly for 5000+ miles and I use it as a grocery getter every week as well as recreation/exrecise. The whole rig cost me around $1200 in 2020 including rear and front racks, two pannier bags that double as backpacks and a Foldylock that's mounted where the bottle rack usually goes.

[@kylesol20]

I’ve been looking into the turi. Have you had any issues with finding mechanics that will work on it? Any issues otherwise?

[@Nphen]

Great video! I love the frames and rear dropdowns on Reese & Muller and the Tern. The kind you can only wish to find when trawling Michigan for used bikes to convert to electric. I love the tilting front wheels & suspension on the Butchers cargo bike, so I looked it up and found the Propel webshop. Starting at $6500? I can go buy the best multiprocess TIG welder at Harbor Freight for about $1000, then buy donor bikes and parts. I may as well start building batteries and selling custom e-bikes at that point. For the price of one bike, I am ready to start my own business lol. Great videos and explanation. Thank you!

[@bindingcurve]

SO how is the business going?

[@amitkumar-wj8gn]

Thumbs up for more of these tech videos...Mahle is pretty common among performance oriented ebikes like the Cannondale and Merida, if i am not mistaken. would love a deep dive into that too. cheers.

[@Propelbikes]

That’s definitely an interesting motor. I don’t have much personal experience, but I could do a similar video on these pieces of tech eventually.

[@timpreston1609]

I’m surprised you have not mentioned Evelo bikes. Specifically the Aurora which I feel has really figured out the ultimate configuration. Gates belt drive Throttle (A huge plus) Envelio hub Mid drive motor Step through frame I know you don’t carry this bike but would love to hear your thoughts on this bike.

[@jasonmfalconer]

Its the best invention ive used after 4 years of running a Rohloff 14. 30 years of road riding in my legs and still doing 3.5 k miles a year utility riding. Set and forget

[@TheJackDakota]

Very good information Chris!

[@JamesRadnus]

My Gazelle Ultimate has an envoilo. It needs to be said that it also drains battery life more.

[@lb2791]

I'm a bit sceptical when it comes to the enviolo because I've read a lot of stories of them breaking. Also, they seem not to work all that well in hilly terrain because of their low range - so you might not be able to get the bike rolling on inclines. Going uphill a lot also seems to destroy the hubs faster.

[@nathangant7636]

The enviolo name is a modification of the root acronym NVO, which stands for "NuVinci Optimized", enviolo is always spelled with a lower case letter.

[@ericjohnson1472]

I have found it’s best to stop peddling or even better to peddle backwards to shift. I found it very hard to shift while power peddling, I thought the cables were jammed so I oiled them and but no difference, so I tried not peddling while changing and peddling backwards with success, the handlebar unit is really very robust so I wouldn’t keep forcing the gear changes

[@gary7vn]

Excellent review.

[@ropeysubstance1719]

Can you please start stocking the Priority Current in your shop in Long Beach? I know they don't use Bosch but they do use a mid-drive motor using a belt drive and this Envilolo internal hub. Would be nice to see that in your shop, I would buy one ASAP!

[@badabing8884]

How much do enviolo hubs reduce the range compared to the Rohloff? I have an enviolo on my gazelle and range is still around 60-70 miles on a performance line motor with 625w battery, when charged to 100%. I have done 5k miles so far and one thing I like is no need for oil change like the Rohlhoff, pinion and the maintenance of a derailleur.

[@karlwidak1345]

I would like to see steps required in changing rear tubes if one gets a flat with internal hub like enviolo. You and others caution the finicky cabling needed for correct operation...

[@Propelbikes]

It’s not so bad. Here is a great video with details kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5TJfYOqdtOYp7M

[@TheObimara]

It's only weird because it's different. Once it's dialed in... it's great. As always it's best complemented by a really good tire.

[@renlow]

....And always use puncture resistent tyres. I have had zero flats on my last 15.000 km. Schwalbe marathon plus mtb and big apple.

[@glebivanovsky7886]

There is usually a bit that bolts on a cable and a place that holds it on the hub's side. So disconnecting and reconnecting cable(s) if you need to take out your wheel to fix a puncture won't involve any shifting adjustments. You need to carry a somewhat heavy wrench, because quick release is not an option for these hubs. And you may need to readjust chain/belt tension (depending on dropouts and tensioning mechanism). Other than that the procedure should be familiar to you.

[@GreggMPlahy]

3 years ago I was shopping E-Bikes & was focused on one out of Seattle called Evelo which also featured the NuVinci C.V.T. & Gates Carbon Belt Drive. However, While at my local E-Bike Shop (Fullerton Ca) I actually unboxed an R & M Nevo (which I BOUGHT on the spot) equipped W/the NuVinci C.V.T.,Bosch, & Gates Carbon Belt Drive. I bike through the Monster Sized Hills in Fullerton with ease. I have to agree with Chris on his ENVIOLO evaluation. After 3 years of riding, & a couple thousand miles I've only added air to the tires. Great bike. Great C.V.Transmission. Great Video Chris.By the way Chris, do you sell "PROPEL" or "Riese & Müller" decals for the back window of my TUNDRA?

[@scb2scb2]

I have a riese and muller with the enviolo trekking with automatiq in my view the best with this type of gear-hub it just does everything and makes sure you are always in correct gear and powerband. Also you don't need to hold back when 'shifting' since well you can't since it decides when todo it. Just peddle and go.. Would not get one where its not easy to set peddle speed (R&M allows you to set it on the bosch system on the fly very easy).

[@stuartbrock7586]

Specialized is using the enviolo, as is priority as you mentioned.

[@DoReMeaCulpa]

Since you asked for feedback: I bought my first e-bike three and a half months ago. After MUCH research (including your channel - thank you), I chose a compact e-bike with an enviolo hub and Gates carbon belt drive. I wanted idiot proof and low maintenance - so far, so good :) I would happily chose this hub again. Ironically, my cars have all had 5 speed manual transmissions (more fun to drive), but I don't want the hassle of a derailleur and greasy chain on a bike.

[@achillesmjb]

I had one when it was Nuvinci. Sold it quickly. Very inefficient compared to geared systems. Going uphill was not efficient at all.

[@eDXTRe]

Specifically when the ebike battery is depleted then you notice the resistance.........

[@pauls5745]

yeah, nuvinci hubs can bog you down with more friction than you might be used to, but internal-geared hubs are advancing fast! im eager to get an alfine and see how much abuse it can take

[@achillesmjb]

@@pauls5745 Geared internal hubs in my view are much better that the Enviolo. Generally when a product name is changed it is due to a poor reputation usually well earned, as it was in my experience. Alfine & Rohloff have good reputations and will rely on that for sales.

[@dad7720]

Did Nuvinci not go bust some years back due to warranty claims?

[@achillesmjb]

@@dad7720 Don't know but they changed their name. Name changes in my view are simply away to avoid a bad reputation.

[@kippywylie]

After 2 seasons on my Gazelle Ultimate 380 with the Enviolo Hub the thing I've grown to like more than anything is the fine tuning infinite number of gears available. One warning: In my case the bike fell over and knocked the cable out of its sleeve at the handlebars.... This made the highest gear a noticeable too high cadence. I rode for a few weeks complaining til I figured this out

[@ThiagoMarquardt]

I rode a lot with nuvinci 360 in a mtb. Efficiency wasnt a big issue. Shift under load and precise rpm control compensate the losses. Losses are bigger in low rpm and hot days. Still better than a sturmey archer 8sp

[@StellarFella]

ICE is moving forward confidently with the Enviolo hub and the Shimano motor.

[@luckylifeonwheels626]

Mine is leaking a little oil 🤔 but i love the hub. Can i use it in the winter like -30c weather.

[@mariner7853]

The Enviola is ideal where you don't need the range of a Rohloff. I love both !

[@shaunhall960]

Low maintenance is very appealing. I think so many people let their bikes go and end up sitting in the garage for years.

[@bobcatt2294]

Does the Enviolo have thumb shifters available?

[@NeverWolf]

why don't they add lateral sprocketing to the planets? they only roll in one axis so you could absolutely increase efficiency by doing that without changing the way it functions. you could easily stack circular sheets of metal of differing circumferences to achieve this and avoid what a pain it would be to machine a sphere the way i've described. maybe the efficiency gain isn't worth the hassle of it all?

[@attedau6235]

Thanks for the video

[@jimhood1202]

Hi. Great video about a really cool transmission. I recently had the chance to work on a fleet of café moto e-bikes that are fitted with this system coupled with the Gates carbon belt drive. It takes a little time to get used to but being able to micro adjust your transmission ratio is a great advantage on a long climb. Super low drive train maintenance is also a huge plus. If you are anywhere near Stinson Beach CA, Fritz Bikes have a number of them for day rental so you can check the enviolo system for yourself.

[@Digital.Done.Right.]

Internal gears is a wonder that most may never know but if it is a bike used, as you say, for commuting and regular "getting around" riding then why not? Me personally it is a Rohloff and my SD for long distance touring. No oil, no rust, no problems with the drivetrain. Why not?

[@Propelbikes]

I agree! The Rohloff is definitely the other major contender!

[@TheBionicCyclist]

The problem for me and most people in the UK, is the price. Internally geared hubs cost more than the bike, and my bike was £2100! It's an enormous cost for convenience. Especially for retrofits. How much would the bike cost new with a hub I don't know, you just can't buy bikes like this in the UK.

[@deankrause]

All my bikes have the Fallbrook Technology Nuvinci hubs. I have an N330, N360, and and N380. All are incredibly easy to use and are very dependable. It is very easy on my knees because I can be in the exact ratio I need. I also like not being stuck in high gear after a stop, as the hub can be shifted through most of its range without pedaling. My bikes are not E-bikes.

[@nigelknapton339]

Hi Chris, thank you for the informative video. I have a 2017/18 R and M superdelite with the N360 hub. I have noticed a bit of side to side play i the rear wheel. I work for one of the big high street cycle retailers here in the uk so I am able to do fair bit of servicing myself, however this hub does not appear to have the usual bearings that can be replaced if there is a bit of wheel play. I have asked enviolo but not heard back from them . Any tips of ideas?

[@nicholascole4054]

Hey, great video. One suggestion: look at recumbent trikes. They reckon that 15% of the world's population is disabled, including me. I'm a long-term stroke survivor and my stroke left me with balance issues. I have an ICE Adventure HD fitted with a 14-speed Rohloff hub and I'm considering swapping the Rohloff for an automatic Enviolo. It would be great if you mentioned disabled cyclists.

[@SteelRaider12]

So with Priority's Current e-bike, you have a choice of the Enviolo OR the Shimano. The Current puts out 140Nm with belt drive and mid-drive. I live where there are a lot of hills. On one hand, people comment Enviolo is great because you don't have to let up on pedaling for shifting so this would help with needing to shift while putting a lot of pressure on the pedal going up hills but then some people saying Enviolo isn't great for hills without offering much evidence. Any opinions? Thanks for the video!

[@VideoNOLA]

I wonder what special viscosity properties the internal hub's lubricant has to make it suitable for use as a CVT?

[@똠양꿍-r8b]

Muy contento con el producto, funciona perfectamente e incluso tiene mas potencia de la que pensaba que podria tener.

Great video! What's the bike model at 6:32?

[@zechariahsmith1764]

I just got the serial one rush/city speed and see there is an option to do manual with an add one shifter. Where would I get one of those?

[@TheAETHER22]

I'm a bit confused with enviolo products. Can i get the heavy duty one with the AutomatiQ system?

[@robertokeefe101]

I have a gazelle C380 plus with the enviolo and Bosch motor. Aside from being a piece of cake to use I really appreciate how quiet the belt and motor are over a standard drivetrain.

[@Baldhills]

Glad to like your bike. Mine should arrive at my LBS in a few days. I do have to replace the display unit though. It’s a shame they put the Purion unit on such a nice bike. I have a Nyon21 unit that I will leave the shop with. Other then that I think the Gazelle C380+ hits the ball out of the park!

[@MalcolmRobbins]

Whats your opinion on using a dog trailer with the enviolo stem adapter

[@petergilbert72]

“All our hubs require a minimum primary ratio of 2.0 on eBikes to ensure proper functionality and durability.” A I’d like to lower the gearing on my R&M Tinker Enviolo 380 for climbing steep hills fully laden and for off road use. (I can’t use a proper off road bike as anything longer than the Tinker won’t fit in my house!) Has anyone tried swapping sprocket sizes? It came with 55x22T. I am thinking of 46x24T. That ratio would be 1:1.9 and I see Enviolo say their hubs require a minimum ratio of 1:2. Any thoughts please anyone? I weigh 71kg and am 70 years old so I’m not exerting massive torque!

[@Trollkungen]

Have an Enviolo on my Urban Arrow (electric cargo bike) with belt drive. Unfortunately after 21000 km it's already broken. I bought the bike 2.5 years ago so no warranty.

[@iantheinventor8151]

Love the look of the Enviolo hub but sadly not available in the U.K., although they can be imported there’s no info on maintaining it. Wish a dealer would take it up as I’m not impressed with a derailleur gear system. Any idea of how to work out the gear range of a derailleur hub?

[@AyoHues]

Several retailers are offering enviolo equipped models in the UK - mostly from the German & Dutch mfrs mentioned in this video but also others like Kuma who are based in Dublin.

[@iantheinventor8151]

@@AyoHues thanks for that, might do some research into them

[@filipposx6595]

just got my como 4 igh. i have to admid its nice... missing a bit the higher gears sometimes indeed even though right now i try to focus to a fixed pace around 70-75 rpm. and of course to accept that the max speed of 25 kmh is really hard to exceed. so, the only thing i can criticize is if you start on an easy gear for instance to climb a hill, and you got some speed and want to put a harder gear for more speed its really hard. you need to go off the pedals and give it a second for the motor to stop pushing so you can shift smoothly. but, still new. 9 days old. maybe ill find its tricks

[@ericamundson1589]

Automatiq is the best thing developed to get people out of their car. Or to put it another way. When was the last time you drove a manual transmission car?

[@randysmitchell4810]

@3:23 to 3:29 (and again @4:27 to 4:36) - the belt, and transmission, is going backwards???????? - (@6:16 to 6:20 it is going correctly)

[@darinsmith2458]

I am interested in a lot of the bikes that you mentioned..

[@ryancoombs772]

Looking to get a cargo bike with the Enviolo Automatiq - whats your thoughts on using the automatic shifting in hilly areas? Does it cope ok or would you recommend going for the twist/manual gear shifting? Any thoughts on reliability of the Automatiq vs twist shift?

[@bd7190]

Great video thanks. Could you please help me to make a decision? I am thinking to buy the Canyon Precede On CF9 or the CF8. One has traditional gears and the other the automatic Enviolo. I cannot find a bike with this system to test it. My question is, besides commuting, can you actually get the same level of exercise as you get with the traditional gearbox?

[@dardir2002]

Do you know if I can use it with a specialized fatboy bike which has a drop of 190 mm ??

[@brushlessmotoring]

I'm curious whether you could build this into a hub motor.

[@danstenis660]

When using the enviolo hub without electric power assist, is its less efficiency compared to Rohloff or traditional external gear drive-train significant enough to make it not as good as the more efficient hub or drive-train? If going with a bike without electrical power, would it be better to go with the traditional external gear drive-train or with the enviolo hub despite its slightly less efficiency?

[@phughes4224]

I've got a Vado 5.0 igh .. there is no shifting?