Proper Leadership is Not What You Think - Jocko Willink

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[@evielovesu8042]

Jocko is talking about The Peter Principle. "A person will be promoted to their highest level of incompetence". i.e. just because you are good the best at something, doesn't mean you can lead other people at that something. I've seen this A LOT!

[@GhostyMist]

Me to a “T” in my current work situation. I’ll be promoted to Lead in my department at work soon. While I consider myself good at what I do, I struggle to teach other people what I do. Like I go retarded. It’s weird.

[@eshelly4205]

The biggest mistake in sales that they promote the best sales person into management. You end up losing a great producer and gain a below average manager. And will have to replace both evidently. The things that make a greats salesperson is a complete different skill set than what makes a manager. Some of the best managers were mediocre sales people.

[@NeuroticLobster]

My company does this in every department. They promote people who are good at their jobs and then wonder why they fail at the next level up.

[@eshelly4205]

@@NeuroticLobster I think because a great salesperson needs to be “selfish” Not in a bad way but in a way that they work hard for themselves. Where a manager needs to think of others first, then himself. I am a Marine Vet and been in auto sales for 30 years. I am a great salesman. I was a manager for 5 years and hated everyday. Now I am back in sales and all I need to worry about is me

[@alexvelinov8232]

Marine corps jrotc with 2 great marines in Mt.Juliet high-school in Tennessee. Maj intillie and SgtMaj Clark two great role models that ingrained leadership in to my brain as a teenager making me a million times better everyday even after high-school. Learning to be a leader is not only important in leadership roles but in everyday life to make the normal person a accountable and responsible human being that will do the right thing because it just what needs to get done.

[@JohnDoe-zz7on]

True. Good luck to you. Lead yourself first and well before others.

[@chiefzosa6194]

Boot

[@paulmadkow9143]

I was an engineer at a large defense contractor. Time after time management elevated the top technical engineers into managers. Most of these folks were incompetent leaders.

[@joseffasolino125]

I see this too!

[@therealcool1144]

I've seen this at my company too and sadly I was one of them but I adjusted, I wanted to be very good at what I did. I was an exceptional worker but sadly, lacked leadership skills. So I read books about leadership and emotional intelligence. They still do the same thing, but I try my best to teach the new leaders at my company and the worst part is that I'm a mentor to my superiors. It's really sad that I have to lead my superiors into being better leaders.

[@paulmadkow9143]

@@therealcool1144 I was a supervisor for many years there. I was pretty good at it I guess. My engineers really liked me. Management decided to replace me and the new guy was completely incompetent leader. He quit the company. He tried to come back but they would not rehire him. I ended up with a sweet gig working by myself with no supervision. Then I retired. Carma is a you know what. Funny the guy that had me replaced ended up becoming a good friend of mine.

[@paulmadkow9143]

@@therealcool1144 at least you have self awareness. Most people don't.

[@hillarysemails1615]

This is so true. This reminds me of the "Peter Principle" which elevates people just beyond their level of competence. So the organization has a bunch of incompetent leaders, because they were good (or SEEMED to be good) at their PREVIOUS level. One of my favorite Leadership lessons was "when you give someone a single option, they normally take it." This goes hand in hand with false dichotomies and 'the illusion of choice' that we see so prevalent in today's Politics and Media.

[@edemduku3391]

sir alex ferguson said 'whatever you followers do to you, you allowed them'. i used that principle to manage an institution.

[@paulmitchell5349]

3 principles. Consult the experts Complete the task. Bring everyone back alive if at all possible.

[@77crossed]

Love this. As an add-on: I am implementing as a father how to provide leadership training for my children. While "follow my example" is necessary, there also needs to be the objective practice of teaching moments classroom style, side by side moments of explanation during the exercises, and review of what was learned. Burdened to improve on this for their sake and of those they will lead.

[@locomoto1003]

Big facts uncle Jocko. We all need to step up and teach from a macro level, right as these youngsters come into our grips. My company does not have a leadership course. We have dwindled because of it. Now that we’re smaller, the atmosphere is more conductive in success. Train decision makers from the start! -wildland firefighter

[@destinysdefier6600]

Just wanna add my story about becoming a work place lead. As an aircraft mechanic I got some years of experience and came from a mechanic background. Always working the wrenches and whatnot I found myself a step ahead of a lot of my pears. I kept a fairly positive attitude training people day in and day out getting calls about work and how to do whatever. I was a mechanic but felt the pressure of leading people to a common goal. But this pressure was hidden normally the mechanic to mechanic talk was as far as it went my leadership did not know how much I was actually doing. And I still had high expectation of my own work to be completed. In this case I decided to take the lead mechanic role and my supervisors and managers where excited to have me move up knowing what I was capable of. I will say I am way less stressed now because I am expected to lead and I can accomplish so much more by focusing on my team and there success then I ever could while trying to finish any task I had on my plate. My days fly by but I’m not as stressed and I still get my hands dirty when I can working more complicated jobs in an effort to train my people. I became what I was forced to be in some respects now I find myself looking for the next me.. the next mach that will take charge and do it well so I can focus on some of the other skills I need as a lead and potentially move further up the chain

[@commandersix1]

Great segment Jocko. I too see this all the time with small business leadership teams. People put in positions because they hung around the longest, or sold the most, or were born to or married to the principle owners/operators.

[@charleshoward448]

The thing about "He's the best mechanic, let's put him in charge" hits home for me. I own and manage a software development company. Developers that get promoted to leadership positions very often burn out really quickly; because the act of writing awesome code is COMPLETELY different than being responsible for the productivity, actions and happiness of people. At the same time, some of the best project managers I've ever known couldn't write a single line of code, but they have an uncanny ability to take something impossible and make it feel easy. Maybe part of the problem is the idea that a move to management or leadership is just a move "up", when in reality it's a move into a whole different world that requires a whole different skillset (and might not be where you best technician wants to exist).

[@vitosantangelo8459]

Ted Williams.... arguably the greatest hitter in the history of his sport... not such a great manager. Leadership skills are paramount to success. 👊😎

[@hirumbiffidum9145]

Yes, Ted Williams was infant a military pilot in the Korean War ...

[@billy497]

Thx. Love 😘💕 too+ Raistlin~

[@modeltrainfan]

Spot on!

[@user-vx4oh1nn8v]

You're so right brother I always wanted to go and I never got to and I still would but that's exactly the truth we need schools for combat technicians to improve their everything more than what I ever will know but you know

[@ResultsDrivenLeadership]

Jocko's comparison between the structured leadership training in the Army and Marine Corps and the lack thereof in the SEAL teams, alongside the Hamburger University analogy, emphasizes the critical need for formal leadership development across all sectors to ensure effective and prepared leadership.

[@JPBotero717]

Amazing advice.

[@OhNoNotAgain42]

Yes. Yes. Yes. Agreed. My 30+ years in engineering/construction/utility management has identical issues. As Jocko mentions, the military CAN send people to schools and completely control where they are assigned afterward. The challenge of the private sector is that long training sessions are VERY expensive with little or no promise of continuity. A mid level employee may cost $100k-$150k per year (salary plus benefits). Sending them to a 6 month class (especially if it’s out of town) is a huge investment. We need at least 2 years of work to justify the investment. It’s difficult to get such a commitment outside of the military. We have paid for various educational opportunities and the employees leave afterwards. Technically, they were supposed to reimburse us because they hadn’t stayed. Good luck getting that back. Lawyers fees are more than the loss. I 100% agree with Jocko. The implementation is hard.

[@energybasics]

Seriously it would be amazing to have a dude like this run for Prez

[@hatetofail9888]

All facts!!!!

[@zacharymckay9019]

Thank You Sir...Have a good day Mr. Willlink..&... Echo

[@rafaelalas7679]

more neighborhood watches coordinating with chill police & establishing community gardens is always good

[@TikkyTakMoo]

Having an established system or construct that has been tested, for handling a situation/scenario, including leadership, that outlines procedures for scenarios. Sun Tzu's Art of War is a good example of this, which also covers leadership. He was challenged with the task, after saying he could turn anyone into a warrior, of turning the Emperor's concubines into assassins. He ends up cutting off one of their heads as none of them seemed to take the task seriously. They all understood after, and he had inevitably succeded in his task. Bottom line. People can be trained. It is useful to have systems. Accountability for leaders is important, including those who train other leaders. Shit ends up coming back those ultimately in charge, so it is in whatever entity's best interest to make sure people are trained properly with tested systems.

[@CharlieThunder24]

It's an urban myth that men are born leaders. Built from ww2 propaganda and ww2 war movies. For instance, the movie Patton doesn't talk about what made George the leader he became (for better and worse) . Same with most movies about most famous military leaders. In the absence of structured perceptions of how to become a leader, Pop culture makes people think that leaders didn't learn from anyone. They just manifest. It doesn't work like that at all.

[@titan_o7]

I’m a freshman in university and plan on going into the Navy as an officer after I graduate. The problem is that we don’t have any NROTC nearby, only Army ROTC. I’m debating whether or not to just go into the Army’s ROTC and get that experience and then go into the Navy. I have options, but I’m just not sure what to do.

[@nunya973]

Navy is strict ans any other service. Army is a good option too. Just jump in and do it. You will be good in both. Go in and go with some purpose.

[@CVBrennan]

I heard a speaker once talk about identifying "natural leaders" in children and the entire talk sounded like bullshit. I didn't have the data to say why it felt like bullshit. I think what that speaker was mistakenly identifying as leadership skills was actually charisma. I enjoyed this video and I think leadership is something that can be taught. Charisma is a quality that some people acquire more easily than others and I believe is often mistaken for leadership qualities because human beings will often follow charismatic people... but that does not make them good leaders.

[@MV-ch3mm]

Lmao, just had a conversation about this, where I work you learn by working. Lots of dumb mistakes from new workers, myself included.. I said "hey, my bro just got hired at a compañy where they have a 2 month training course", and they looked at me weird.

[@1stcivdiv81]

All men are created equal. Not all men finish equal. We are all born with the tools we need it’s up to and those raising us to cultivate and turn those abilities. (Not all of course there’s people born in disability but I am referring to those born fully functional) Semper fidelis

[@jonathantiernan2148]

yep

[@briandietrich1373]

As a Navy OIC of a Cargo Handling Battalion Surface Company, I have to agree with Jocko....

[@nirvanic3610]

Facts

[@TheMyrmidon22]

In Jokos mind, it would be interesting to understand how obedience ties in to the leadership aspect. Are leaders who want obedience potentially weaker, or is obedience the only way lead?

[@user-vx4oh1nn8v]

Semper Fi

[@allenculbertson8170]

Mr. Jocko Willink with all do respect and I say this humbly with the utmost respect sir. I believe if you could ever have the Luttrell brothers on your podcasts that would be great! I mean they too are true American warriors Morgan Luttrell and Marcus Luttrell on a Jocko podcast. Would be phenomenal sincerely and respectfully Allen Culbertson Thank U and God bless U

[@ernestogonzalez17]

GOOD

[@ctoxyz]

nate from Maine - need your help man - real

[@bankytvbridge]

US Air force too

[@mdmoto-adventureresearchers]

Jocko is giving age old wisdom. What hes describing is a systems affect.

[@MichaelJames707]

🙏🏼

[@MrXrisd01]

Shout out to Schaumburg! What's up guys!

[@YashBhardwaj1]

Jocko no one trust on me, says you are underconfident, but I talk less because I have satmmering, how do I deal with that ?

[@tnielson1]

Which episode is this from?

[@mikemcfarland2627]

💜

[@willlucious3768]

Cute finger nail file...💪 No sleep 😃

[@hirumbiffidum9145]

One of the things that closes my eyes, is ... not using PPE or at least not using it properly ... So like I said in my most recent video don't be an idiot like me and use innadaquate glove with industrial chemicals lame google with sawdust and metal shavings and other stupid things 🤯🙈🙉🙊

[@mohamadoubah2725]

Jocko gets guests on just to preach to them😭

[@ronmexico5908]

Invisible leaders don’t lead

[@jeremias2975]

Now I understand how the Lord is a great leader. Thank you. “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” “be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.” “we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true” “He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee”

[@iamnotawafflewaffle6622]

1:14

[@msfkmsfk]

LMAO I do NOT and NEVER HAVE ran or run ANY BUSINESSES. Could that change in the future, maybe but I don't see that happening any time soon.

[@Arrozyfrijoles1]

Yoooo jocko would you mind if I make a track 👣 and give you a shot out from what I've learned from you? I'm recalibration and re engaging

[@Murry_in_Arizona]

Law enforcement is TERRIBLE at leadership training and the higher up in rank you go the worse it gets. Its assumed if you have "public admin" post grad degree you're ready for "management" ( Phoenix PD Commander/Capt and above) added to that all training is done individually my 20 yrs we had ONE (1) 8 hour block training as squad on field problems. 98% of the supervisors stand in the back and let the officers figure it out. The remaininb 1.9% took point and did everything themselves. A grand total of TWO (2) Sergeants actually "supervised" amnd only 1 lieutenant every showed up to see what the training was about. a few months back the news stories about 5 Phoenix officers getting shot at one incident is a clue on the current state of LE training at all levels in todays world.

[@firedad7341]

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@prestontrolley4190]

I disagree. People are born with different talents. Some people are naturally better at certain things. I'm not saying you can't have training to make people leaders, or people already in leadership roles better leaders, I'm just saying there are, in fact, natural born leaders. Saying it's factually incorrect there are no natural born leaders is like saying there aren't people naturally born to run, or to hit, or to play piano, sing, etc. I've seen plenty of people "chosen to lead" that even with hours and hours, years and years, of people mentoring them, guiding them, classes, courses, they just suck at being a leader. Not everyone can be a leader. Just like not everyone can shot balls through a hoop for a living.

[@rickemmet1104]

Hey Jocko, nice video. Isn't it ironic that you've put out a video on Leadership the very same day that Vladimir Putin holds that spectacle, or farce, as you may want to call it. What leadership training did the KGB have? Slava Ukraini! Слава Україні!

[@jamesrasmussen2865]

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[@mikepict9011]

You aren't capable of following. My leadership isn't the problem. Your capabilities are.

[@Spectre8282]

After my experience with the VFW, I'll pull teeth from dead diseased mules first and hang with my Submarine shipmates who can work together by second nature.

[@joshuaconn9325]

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[@wateringthefate3890]

Get rid of the cell phone or they won't get shit done their mind can't remain focused to work the job hire for.

[@jessejames4757]

Yo jocko go protect Elon…he probs needs it 😶😶😶

[@CriticalThinking101]

#2000Mules more like 2000 sheep

[@s3lfmade81]

Not a fan

[@Jack-ur7mq]

This guy is 4 foot 11, a total fake. You people need to grow up and move on.

[@user-ku2oo2ku1s]

If Jesus would have never came and told me I would die in my sin and taught he did, I would have no restraint on taking everything from you, seriously none. If Jesus would have never came and told me I would die in my sin and taught he did, I would have no restraint on taking everything from you, seriously none,.and then what would have happened