Witcher Stories - Cave of the Unseen Elder & Tesham Mutna (Vampires 2/3) (Witcher Lore)

The amount of speculation in this video far exceeds the normal dosage. I look at minor details and turn them into giant important plotpoints and you can't stop me!
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[@sarahkenny533]

The vampire language is actually Etruscan, a very ancient proto-Italian language.

[@ProperBird]

I read something about that but I couldn't pinpoint it as well as the Welsh from the Elder Speech. Would love to see some fan translations of people that know Etruscan though, could be very interesting!

[@merneon9115]

Sarah Kenny I speak it, what would you like to know. I’m not bullshitting btw. Ask me what you want to know .

[@lutinlaut]

I´d love to know what Geralt said to the unseen elder when he offered up the crystal, I can´t really think of anything that would stop the elder from just taking the rock and murdering gerlat anyways

[@TheFibrewire]

Its a greeting to show respect to a vampire and give an offering, you cna understand this by reading the Mage who comes to research about Vampires and Conjunction Sphere influence in the cave. The mage was instructed by his seniors to offer a crystal and greet when he meets the elder, but he was unable to see the elder and perished before that.

[@Tia-Marie]

I can read limited Etruscan, but haven't had any real verbal experience with it -- here is one of the resources I'd used ages ago to wrap my head around engravings on etruscan pottery: etruskisch.de/pgs/gr.htm It's always been useful at least for refreshing the memory on how some of the grammar rules and such when I get mixed up over how much of etruscan's alphabet is more similar to greek than latin.

[@daltonwilliams8541]

The conversation goes: Who walks in my room... One born of you. Direct descendant Regis, and... SHUT UP

[@Doomseer]

I dont even want too think about the idea that there is no doubt vampires which inhabit the vampire world that are infinitely older and more powerful than the unseen elder..... 😨

[@aldenburton6240]

You learn, that the golden rule of no vampire killing none of his kind derived from a war amongst them, iirc. The armor might have been used within this war.

[@Crazyollie123]

It's probably that the myths about killing vampires came from them as a means of preventing humans from humans actually figuring out how to kill them.

[@VoltasP]

Vampires wear armor because getting stabbed is extremely unpleasant.

[@williehughes1690]

Not just unpleasant but it can ruin a good tunic, vest or coat

[@demonickiller6315]

can attest that it certainly is not enjoyable. even if it is a smaller one.

[@sarahkenny533]

The oroborous is also on the floor of the tesham mutna cage room. In Etruscan, tesham mutna means "burial casket".

[@ProperBird]

Ohh you're right it is! And that does seem like a very accurate name for that tomb doesn't it.

[@Synystr7]

Damn, do you know Etruscan? How hard is it learn? I'd imagine our understanding must be pretty incomplete due to the Romans wiping them off the map early on.

[@jaudat17]

It legit saddens me that this vdo only has 1.9 k views, you deserve ALOT more, keep this up. I just discovered your channel today and loving your witcher series so far

[@Smoji069]

Love the lore, love the voice, love the game. :D

[@boneshatter9979]

During the first part of the video when you where looking over the inscriptions on the cave walls, I can't but helped to imagine what the vampiric homeworld looked like, I imagine a grey/black world in a perpetual twilight 'round most of the planet, thick clouds of space dust and large asteroids spin in an ever present ballet around with the planet as they circle a red star, painting their thick atmosphere a more purple color where it is able to hit, it's light filtered and reflected by the dust and asteroids, the plants would be blacks and purples and reds, designed to gather as much of the suns rays that actually hit the planet, pure and unfiltered through like Jacobs's ladders for only a few minutes. Many of the plants would probably be parasitic or carnivorous, feasting on what it could. Most life on the planet was likely in two branches, near immortal like the vampires, or hardy and strong, with thick hides and armor, like the scales bird horse, who where likely beast of burden, with cultural significance attached to them, with the way they can move i images that vampires had large cities that perfectly amalgamated Greek, Egyptian, proto-Italian, and gothic architecture. Built on high cliffs or deep ravines, where non but they could get to so they where not harassed by large titanic beast, hundreds of stories tall, like amalgamations of humans, giraffes, and dragons, large claws and teeth like beaks to protect itself durning its mating season, they they acted mostly as large skeletal creatures more like living pullies, with large fanlike/Lilly pad like head pediments that caught water and grew plants with thin antenna that rose in the suns rays with polyps that reached with small antennae all over them, grabbing as much sun as possible to photosynthesis and fuel its massive body, all and all, a dangerous and exciting world with few but successful grazers and feared and fierce predators, and landscapes dotted with the most beautiful architecture you would ever see. ... I kinda went on about that lol sorry *after watching the video more, you mentioned ye glowing plants and I can 100% see that being a thing and it's been added to my head cannon of the vampiric home world

[@Ramon2kl]

Your voice must have magical properties, its just perfect background noise. I perform better at whatever im doing whenever I listen. Also helps that Witcher vampire lore is incredibly intresting, cant wait for the next part.

[@salimibrahim459]

Has anyone thought of this imagine Witcher 3 in VR? , my whole life will be in awe and I would become non-existent in this world.

[@Tahkaullus01]

I love vampires (with some sparkly exceptions) and I love lore...you give me vampire lore. Please give me more.

[@Vospader21]

If your speculation is correct and the champion of Tesham Mutna was indeed a human who served vampires then its likely that the "flock" that the champion was meant to protect referred to a flock of humans that vampires decided to keep as free range.

[@Tymdek]

There is another depiction of a chimera, near the Gran' Place in Beauclair. When you head straight south from the Gran' Place, there is a mural on the left side in a pathway through a house right south of the big square in the center of Beauclair. This chimera looks a lot different than the one in the cave of the Unseen Elder though, it has a lion's body and head, a goat's head on it's back and a snake as a tail. Also, it has no wings. I don't know, if this is in any way related to the chimera in the cave, but it could indicate that there are at least two types of chimera. Or this type is just a fantasy animal, like the Phoenix (as Geralt said once in the books). Also the Ouroboros symbol Regis wears on his glove isn't the only one there is. The necklace he wears (it it is a necklace) also shows Ouroboros, but there it curls round a square. I have no idea how this could possibly be linked to the other symbol with the triangle and the three circles, though. And last but not least I find it quite interesting that the offering to the Unseen Elder must be an aragonite crystal. Anyways I enjoyed the video, Greetings from Germany

[@TheUltraBeast1]

I love how much time and research you put into the details that i just blew past in my play through. Almost all of your speculation makes sense to me and i love to hear it. I also love listening to your voice in general, so soothing and pleasant; and with a charming accent unlike us Americans lol. Anyways please don't keep me waiting for part 3 these video series about the witcher are my favorite ones

[@Aranneas]

'dalv' is 'vlad' spelled backwards. i suspect you're correct that dalvinite is a fictional material hailing from the vampire world

[@xanthouskingjeremiah7571]

Can you do one on the wild hunt

[@thelicioso2602]

The Uroboros is the same as the Leviatã, the first crature created by God that can only be killed by one of it's own, they represent creation and destruction as well.

[@leonardo82558]

Just love those Witcher videos! I'm halfway through Blood Of The Elves and it's just amazing! And it's your fault I started reading, so... Thanks for that :D

[@iona2225]

Didnt know the Etruscans had survived the romans long enough to stop drinking and actually write something that looks like language.

[@lisquidsnake]

I hope you talk about the vampire lullaby: "wolves asleepin midst the trees..." that whole scene is full of so much emotion to me. For me the whole Witcher world begs the question: "who is the real monster?"

[@ProperBird]

Though it's definitely a cool lullaby and the implication that monsters fear witchers is there, it's not really something I would toss in with vampire lore. I'd probably include it in a video just talking about the different grey areas within the witcher world though.

[@lisquidsnake]

I hear ya. I think the concept of there being vampire children who are tenderly sung lullabies is interesting haha they have an interesting and mysterious society

[@marconeves1979]

But you could use it as part of the soundtrack for part 3 of this series? Aaaaaah! I can't wait for part 3!! Please upload it soon. Love your stuff!

[@ProperBird]

Nope but I promise it'll show up in a monster centric video when I make one of those. :p

[@abdillahazhar1833]

As always. Nicely done! I'm enjoying your lore videos more and more and more! Thank you for uploading and keep up the good work! 👍😆

[@jamesnothing6514]

nailed the pronunciation of Ouroboros :D also, love this kind of lore exploration and your narrative skills!

[@Despoina_Nyx]

It does gives me a lot of Legacy of Kain Vibes.

[@callumlyall4931]

So really they're creatures out of their comfort zone

[@karlfranz8489]

If Geralt can beat Detlaff, I think that a group of well equipped witchers and sorcerers could slay the Unseen Elder.

[@oni8717]

Gray Fox 2109 nah fam

[@jamesforgie6594]

Gray Fox 2109 nah, mate. Geralt only beat detlaff because he was holding back, and even then it took the assistance of a higher vampire to kill him. True higher vampires are literally invincible to anyone other than another of their kind, and the unseen elder terrified a higher vampire. Not to mention that he kills geralt as easily as breathing if you irritate him.

[@justinlee790]

@@jamesforgie6594 Where are you getting the idea that Detlaff was holding back? Against Regis sure because he didn't want to kill him, but he absolutely wanted to kill Geralt. I doubt the Unseen Elder could be defeated by Witchers in direct combat, but there are likely powerful monsters who could do the deed, and I imagine people could devise some method to defeat him indirectly.

[@anri8231]

+Gray Fox 2109 No way. Even if they manage to defeat him, he will not truly die and regenerate back at some point. True higher vampires are literally immortals and the only way they truly die is if another higher vampire kills him.

[@Spaxecowboy]

Geralt didn't even see the unseen elder appear before him

[@arapnator17]

You literally have one of the most adorable voices I've ever heard. Additionally, I love the content you produce.

[@magemiralles]

New witcher content! Thank you! Interesting theory never really thought about those vampire secrets. 👏

[@harrycksonleao7881]

The lore is amazing, i am even considering engage in the learning of polish so i ca read the books. And your voice is wonderful

[@finocaraco3723]

I am a recent player of Witcher III so I am just discovering your videos now. I love them and I love your presentation!

[@ProperBird]

I hope you enjoyed the game! Though given that you're here, I suppose you must have. :p

[@xegresfirstborn7235]

you are just amazing, such a good voice and content.

[@hollyjane8224]

Hey, I've seen someone mention a theory about the second world you travel through during the "Through Time and Space" quest. That the "gas world" might be the vampire homeworld. After you run through the first part of the green gas and go over to the pillar there is a skull hanging on it. While it could be anything of course, I think it looks very similar to the horse-dragon creature that you mentioned. And it's hanging there for some reason - someone tied it with a rope there. And that picture of the creature in the Unseen Elder's cave makes me think, if it is the same creature, it might be of cultural significance to vampires? What are your thoughts? Have you seen it before?

[@tristanedward3287]

Holly Jane really good theory there definitely had to be something to hang that skull there. But at the same time the cave passage to their world from ours is supposed to somewhat hint at what their world was like. The gas planet looks nothing like a world of ancient vampire civilizations considering there's no resemblance to the actual cave passage and its gaseous? There's nothing mentioned by the vampires of their world being toxic, and what sort of radiation resistance they would need to survive there, etc. It seems unlikely.

[@blazingkrash]

Hi! Really love your work and seeing that your videos are thorough and well explained, can you do one on Gaunter O'Dimm? He's creepily mysterious. Someone who stop time. Damn.

[@Spytvtuner]

The horned horses and the mural are likely based on the relics from Achaemenid Empire

[@damiankijowski5374]

Aww yas! Vampires to the morning coffee! Awesome video!

[@Synthia17]

I absolutely love the theory behind Toussaint beeing nothing but vampire farm. It fits perfectly to this odd fairy tale land placed between rough North and Nilfgaard constantly waring between eachother. I bet there are some sleeper champions in Anna's court :)

[@thijs9454]

Hey, i think might make your day: you're that kind of youtuber that made me go from 'hmm, i should go to bed soon' to 'man, this is a cool channel, let's drink another beer before going to bed'.

[@yDnaRraMAsoJ]

I love this story, (just subscribe because of it), love your voice btw 😊😊😊

[@chiefhutch8993]

I’m curious what saddle you are using in the picture with the armor

[@GrandmasterFlex]

Griffins do happen to be chimeras so we have heard of them before in the Witcher series.

[@AP-qr8en]

Perhaps driving a stake through a vampires heart isn’t so far from the truth after all? What if driving a stake of delvanite prevents them from regenerating and, at least in a way, does in fact kill them?

[@kajjeekanalenfan72]

Love these vampire videos, is there one on Dettlaff?

[@fredericpoag3801]

Hmmm the husbandry book. It seems the Crones employed the village, I.e. free range method. They sup on blood particularly that of children. Could they be a form of higher vampire that actually devolved?

[@ciaranmurphy613]

Just started a new game plus death march yesterday. This channel has helped with the lore. Subscriber +

[@dorasaphyre2875]

OurovOros. Greek word, literally means one eating his own tail.

[@thatsthexd257]

another great vid keep um coming ;)

[@malpaca]

Which sword is that doing the life steal, or is that a runeword I forgot?

[@remiborgen8925]

You are a very talented narrator, the best witcher narrator in my opinion

[@samhobbs9116]

Does each region/country have it's own elder? if so do we know more about any of the others? Would be a very interesting topic to hear more about or theorize on.

[@EmiDSnake]

I like your narrative style very much¡

[@ImAFKTho]

I hoping to get all of the books for Christmas

[@madskristiansen]

1:33 That picture is closer to a Sumerian Anzu (birdman) than an Egyptian profile. Both are in profile though, so confusion is understandable.

[@Nerdiac]

You are so talented. Such a pleasent voice.

[@williehughes1690]

The unseen elder kinda resembles Victor after he just wakes up in underworld

[@coachcro7722]

'umans

[@WhiskeyTango76s]

The first time I saw that Armor set I thought of Dracula's Armor that's shown during the first part of the movie(The one from the 90's with Gary Oldman). It's design is really similar to it. Edit: Nvm, didn't notice you mentioned that.

[@TheMad_LordSnow]

Maybe, as far as the vamp armor, they just don't want to have to deal with having to regenerate body parts, so this one vamp who wore it had more conflicts and it would be inconvenient if a lucky human got in a blow in.

[@freerichie25]

delvinite May act like a radioactive substance

[@Mamadghodsiable]

15:43 CD projekt red before making games they localizing popular games for polish consumers. one of the first and famous games that lead them to success was Baldur's gate and in the same universe and same production which are very respected by CD projekt red. I believe those pictures are Isair and Madae from Icewind Dale 2.

[@skisbej]

Is it possible that the vampires at Tesham Mutna used the same processes that are used to create Witchers, in order to create their Champions?

[@EnnuiElpis]

On the properties of a vampire's bite, I would imagine it works similarly to a vampire bat's. Vampire bats aren't venomous, per say, but their saliva contains an anti-coagulant chemical that prevents the prey's blood from clotting, meaning they can drink as much as they want without the blood flow stopping. It also numbs the pain, to the point that many animals won't even notice when a vampire bat has bitten them. Even in the Witcher universe, the connection between vampires and bats is well known, as many of the lesser vampires are essentially giant, humanoid bats, not to mention that huge swarms of bats seem to flock to areas of high vampire activity.

[@ZandieBird]

I personally wouldn't mind being herded by a vampire......as long as I was treated as well as is portrayed in the Human Husbandry and Care book......

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

if I had to assume a way vampires improved their knights above men could be by letting them drink the vampire blood. the kind of "ghoulification". which is not uncommon in vampire stories, vampire drinking your blood and you theirs turns you into a vampire, while human drinking vampire blood turns them into a ghoul.

[@ebacyes]

I'm assuming you have read the books, if so would you recommend reading them?

[@ProperBird]

I have and I certainly would! ^^

[@infinity6629]

Perhaps the ''vampire'' armor could belong to human serving as personal servant/overseer for unseen elder

[@sp1r1t2001]

Another thing that comes to mind after they mention "drinking another vampire" is the idea of diablerie from "Vampire: the Masquerade" setting, also highly forbidden amongst part of vampire population. whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Amaranth_(VTM) "Diablerie, also called the Amaranth, is a term used by vampires to describe the act of drinking another cainite's blood and drawing their soul into one's own."

[@mhroe]

Is this how birds sound... properly?

[@pullingthestringz]

One thing that disappointed me about B&W was that the history of Toussaint & vampires never became a major plot point. I was convinced that the genealogy of Toussant’s love for wine; was that the Vampires who ruled Toussant (essentially using it as a farming ground) became connoisseurs of the different flavours of wine-tinged-blood. We know Vampires can like a drunk person’s blood from the oxenfurt quest in the base game. I was hoping the main quest would lead to a big revelation that like half of the gentry of toussant were vampires, and it could have been an interesting decision to let them continue farming the humans (and keeping Toussant peaceful) or going to war against them, even though it would ultimately make life in Toussant less peaceful.

[@ProperBird]

That is literally what I open my third video with, but yes I actually think they built up the vampire lore in this case to perhaps expand onto when they create a new witcher-world type game.

[@pullingthestringz]

Or perhaps a contingency if they wish to re-enter Geralt's story down the line. Having him surrounded by vampires could be a way to yank him out of retirement at his winery.

[@merneon9115]

Proper Bird I wanted Geralt to go into the vampire world. But then found out how strong the elder was. I wonder if there are vampires stronger than the unseen elder. Perhaps even a king?

[@oceanicking8988]

Merneon There are multiple unseen elders

[@willalou6067]

Finally! Can listen to that voice read anything. Still can't put the game down.

[@silent_stalker3687]

The script for boku no pico?

[@ezrakemp5533]

is that a cutscene at about 24 minutes in the video if so when in that game is it.

[@ProperBird]

It happens when you take the Unseen Elder path the moment you arrive at Tesham Mutna and call for Dettlaff.

[@kisa4748]

Interesting how the Unseen Elder's scars don't regenerate

[@steppenfuchs2486]

Why am i soooo late in realizing what i'm seeing??!! Well that horse pendant looks very much like the griffin-headed armlet from the achaemenid oxus treasure. It dates 5th-4th BC. Now the state religion of the achaemenid empire was zoroastrianism... Sooo after 3 years i'm delving again into this topic and begin some research!

[@Alucard45000]

12:36 I though he said "If you help kill him"

[@jitoshisagara3374]

Biggest strength of unseen elder...is called plot armor...against my level 70 ex calibur wielding witcher...

[@koelkast9]

Not going to lie. I love your voice

[@williehughes1690]

Perhaps the higher vampires all agreeing unanimously not to kill each other has less to do with homeworld traditions and more to do with the fact that their was only so many of them currently in their new world and I got a feeling that higher vampires either don't reproduce often given how long they live or there's just particular circumstance that rarely aline to be able to reproduce.

[@finghinmccarthy5021]

Is the snake not jormangundr the world serpent?

[@ProperBird]

While Jörmungandr is depicted in mostly the same way as Ouroboros, it doesn't really seem to have a symbolic meaning to line up with what it might mean to Vampires (eternity, the cycle of life and death, etc.). Ouroboros is a known concept in the Witcher world whereas Skellige (which has a great many Norse influences with there being a figure like Heimdallr and Freyja. But Jörmungandr is never mentioned even when discussing the Ragnarök.

[@hittman1412]

It’s important to note that Regis regenerating is not Sapowski canon. That is CDPR. And the whole “only a higher vampire can kill a vampire” is not canon either, given vilgefortz melted Regis in the books.

[@parkersandhofner5586]

U deserve more love

[@oni8717]

What language was reigis and the unseen elder speaking in?

[@ProperBird]

I pinned a comment talking about this but real quick. It is the vampire language but it's likely based on Etruscan!

[@Tinfoilpain]

I like the way she says youman

[@thecowshow5641]

Bird i have a question, why does geralt and every other witcher have cateyes in the games, but not in the books?

[@ProperBird]

He does have cat eyes in the books, although it's really not mentioned a whole lot. And they only glow in the dark. Here's a few quotes for reference: The Last Wish - Geralt; "The witcher shaded his eyes with his hand in an unnecessary, instinctive reflex which he had never managed to shake off - all he needed to do, after all, was narrow his pupils into vertical slits." The Last Wish - Geralt; "He entered carefully, opening it just enough to slip inside. It was dark, so he dilated his pupils. And wrinkled his nose." The Last Wish - Yennefer; "'May I?' She touched his cheek and looked him in the eyes. He clenched his jaw. 'Do your pupils automatically adapt to light or can you narrow and dilate them according to your will?'" Sword of Destiny - Dandelion; "What of it that you have quicker reflexes than most and vertical pupils in sunlight? That you can see in the dark like a cat?" Sword of Destiny - Calanthe; "And I've come to the conclusion that the selection of the children at the stage of the Choice has scant significance. What difference does it make, in the end, Geralt, which child dies or goes insane, stuffed full of narcotics? What difference does it make whose brain bursts from hallucinations, whose eyes rupture and gush forth, instead of becoming cats' eyes?" Season of Storms - Sorel Degerlund; "He forbid me however to kill you. He needs your eyes. To be more precise: he needs tapetum lucidum, the layer of tissue on the inside of your eyeballs, which amplifies and reflects the light directed at the photoreceptors, thanks to that, like a cat, you see in the darkness and in the night." Season of Storms - Description of Brehen, school of the cat; "He had grey hair, like ash, at the temples mixed with white strands. An ashen face. A hooked nose. And bright yellow eyes with vertical pupils."

[@thecowshow5641]

I just started Reading the last wish and when he is preparing for freeing the cursed princess he drinks cateye and it discribes him as "is pupils are dialeted" but cateye pupils can maby also dilated 🤔

[@ProperBird]

The cat potion just forces his pupils to dilate for the duration of the potion's effect and it also enhances the effect quite a bit. When a cat sits in the dark, their pupils also dilate entirely. ^^

[@thecowshow5641]

Thank you for sharing your wisdom, i Love your content. Keep it going 👍

[@davidschaftenaar6530]

Given the sparse information we have about higher vampires, it's hard to say anything about them with any real certainty... I am a longtime-biology-nut though (hat's my flimsy excuse for speculating anyway lol) from that perspective I can't help but think that the homeworld of the vampires is a probably a very harsh, unforgiving place: In fact, the unreal regeneration, their nocturnality, the ability to eat all sorts of things and not die... I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it turned out that they weren't exactly at the top of the food chain back home. Those aren't the adaptations you tend to see in apex-predators, and definitely not all combined within a single species like this.

[@Br0kenMask]

Why does Detlaff turn into a human when he dies, if thats not his true form?

[@DarkKing009]

Can you do the dwarf

[@saschagraubaer]

I like the parallels between tesham mutna and the modern way of humans torturing animals in those awfull ways they force them to live. It shows that humans are not better and that we have to change and treat animals with respect. Not consuming and hurting them for some food, since we dont need to do that - its wrong to hurt a living being, no matter if human or not. Great video btw. You really go into detail

[@skankhunt-zh8ky]

Ooooo A bacon burger with extra cheese or eveb a steak from tge local grocery store ohh dont eveb get me started about chicken i love meat 🙏🏼

[@Greggers870]

The vampires seem to have an Etruscan language mixed with an Assyrian visual style. Compare that "stained-glass" with the Assyrian tree of life and the depiction of the Elder to Assyrian carvings.

[@henryschriemer1133]

And the elves thought they were an advanced race, Witcher universe vampires make both races look like children.

[@rekoken2911]

thing is, vampires as a species would be too unsustainable, so maybe, they only live so long in the Witcher world and not theirs. Kinda like superman

[@Hyperperion]

Tesham Mutna armor set was never worn by vampires. That letter is from a human; a human subservient to the vampire tribe. Selected by vampires to guard his own species. Master to other human captives, slave to the vampires. This is a mature depiction of vampires, them being smth akin to alien invaders enslaving "lesser" species in their early years in that world.

[@ProperBird]

I think you misunderstood the video. Entirely.

[@Crownsnek]

night to remember trailer Orianna bites geralt and you can tell it greatly weakens him. of course he let her bite him so she would get the black blood flowing in his veins and weaken herself too. so the theory of poisons might be right but it could also be some sort of fantasy weakening thing

[@jamesultima6144]

Whats that thing you say at the end of the videos

[@ProperBird]

Va faill, goodbye in Elder Speech. ^^

[@jamesultima6144]

Proper Bird nice one la Ill have to brush up on my Elder then haha

[@rylai6795]

I support your theory

[@kevinj553]

ik vind je video echt goed, je hebt echt research gedaan en gaat echt tot in detail dat doen er niet veel.

[@canisinferno184]

I actually think that the unseen elder is Khagmar.

[@travisdurr9850]

I love your series! I've heard oroborous pronounced "or-uh-BORE-us," however someone else may have a better pronunciation.

[@minuterepeater2257]

Till the moment you spoke about sound Dutch I totally didnt noticed your Dutch, either way you shouldnt worry about it; your not speaking "kolengruis engels" :). Just discoverd your video's and looking forward to go through your archive and future productions, groetjes :)

[@joedrumm5239]

Ur-o-bur-os. That's how I've always pronounced it.

[@DuoBanditBTW]

yeey proper bird is dutch :)