Propped up passers.

[@jcore0981]

I feel like everyone and their mother saw this coming for the Chargers. No Mike Williams, no Keenan Allen, no Austin Ekekeler. Hell, even Gerald Everett was good for a catch or two. Now you're relying on brick hands Quentin Johnston, Josh Palmer, and a rookie second rounder. Pair that with a head coach who likes to run the ball. What exactly were you expecting Justin Herbert to do this year? He's been pretty damn good in spite of maybe one of the worst offensive playmaking groups in the league.

[@Noctem_pasa]

In all fairness, Quentin Johnston has put together a nice little redemption arc, but he’s still not a WR1

[@EzeBall1710]

Quentin johnson does not have brick hands stop running narratives you must have not watched any chargers games this year

[@jcore0981]

@@EzeBall1710 Even if true, 15 catches for 164 yards in 5 games is fucking abysmal.

[@rflgeneral]

@@EzeBall1710he’s still playing like shit

[@dbeast03]

Also to be fair to Herbert, he's now seen both ends of the spectrum. He had a trio of weapons around him with solid depth *as well as* what happens when you utterly decimate that core and some of the depth.

[@chicagodude8888]

Justin Herbert was a quarterback you can win because of being asked to be Trent Dilfer.

[@brianfleming706]

Hey, as a Chargers fan, Id prefer he only needs to play like Dilfer to win dude, that way when we dont always NEED him yk?

[@shadowjinkus1070]

I'm sure Herbert isn't that upset about it

[@triplebypassburger4955]

I agree but you have some terrible grammar dude

[@chicagodude8888]

@@shadowjinkus1070 He already got paid but Sean Payton and Jim Harbaugh should swap teams. Ask a quarterback capable of throwing 38 touchdown passes for over 5K yards to be a handoff merchant isn’t getting your moneys worth. Harbaugh’s formula works when you have a less dynamic quarterback like Alex Smith where you’re forced to work with what you’ve got

[@klinkadink1345]

As a Chargers fan I was expecting a typical Herbert hate bit but you actually did a very good job summarizing the team this year. They are arguably the most different team compared to last year, and I think the offense may come along once everyone really settles into the new system, and it helps to have a last place schedule. I do have my doubts with Greg Roman though.

[@chappyman7549]

I feel like it has to be something with the chargers because Herbert is looking like a Philip Rivers reboot

[@Cory-zn5mq]

They basically drafted the same player

[@rebelsoup1947]

It’s the same organization

[@rebelsoup1947]

Players can only do so much.

[@Traps3500]

I never thought of that but it’s true. Herbert looked elite early on. He still looks good, hasn’t really regressed. But the offensive roster turnover doesn’t help.!

[@chappyman7549]

@@Traps3500 definitely doesn’t but I agree, feel like the tale of the “big arm QB on the chargers who shows hall of fame potential but never seems to rly put it together” hope Herbert gets a chance to change the narrative

[@vegasdave1207]

The bears didnt win much the last couple of years with Fields, but when they did it was 100% because of Justin Fields. He was single-handedly their whole offense. Eventually we got DJ Moore but our OL was so bad, Fields pretty much was the offense.

[@thomasfinch6292]

Fields TO problems in Chicago were more fumbles than picks, honestly

[@chicagodude8888]

@@thomasfinch6292 Except for the 4th quarter interceptions tossing 16 of those.

[@ChewsCarefully]

Here kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3uyYoOpqtV5lbc is how Fields succeeded in college: low-flying missiles that arced over the heads of defenders to land directly in the hands of his covered receivers in stride. In this direct comparison with Caleb Williams' college highlights, Fields is far & away more consistent & accurate. On the other hand *here* kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZ3TkqyXZd2tY5Y is how the Bears' receivers handled passes that hit them in the hands - - or would have had they not fallen down, turned the wrong way etc. Darnell Mooney deflects at least 3 like Kadarius Toney to the other team. But that's not even the issue. Look at who he hits, where. They're all on routes that go, then stop, turn & face the QB. Watch any Justin _|Herbert_ highlight reel & you get the Same Thing. They're both insanely accurate deep-ball passers. Only with the Bears 11 minutes into kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zp_HY3SZZs2Ue7M we see how effective the routes he was forced to throw to were at getting open. They weren't. His play-callers found 'clever ways' to stagger the receivers so they blocked each other, then would stand still "waiting" for passes. My point is this: everyone's reacting to media _memes_ instead of realizing that as a Pocket Passer, he's up there with Rodgers, Herbert & anyone else. So why do we *think* he's only a glorified RB who hasn't figured it out yet? Because NFL coaches & GMs are just as prone to believing internet memes as you, casual fans or 14-year-old girls. The Steelers *haven't **_LOOKED AT_* Fields' highlights & have decided to only think of him as some 'Special Needs' child who would fall into an open volcano if they didn't hold his hand on every play. Do you know what happens when you set out to look for negatives? You'll *_find_*_ them_ every single time. The lone INT Fields has had so far was on a screen he threw with anticipation, not something a QB can improvise. So it was a play-call. But the minds of the Steelers' coaches aren't pre-set to look for errors in play-calls. They're looking out for negative signs of Fields returning to be what they made up their minds in advance he is, S L O W. So for the next game they allowed no Long Passes because they were worried about him regressing & what do you know? They couldn't move the ball against the Dallas secondary because of this. Then last week Fields looked Really Uncertain & was off-target. A lot. Yeah. The Bears shattered his confidence doing exactly this kind of garbage, forcing him to play like he's "S L O W" & removing more & more privileges/plays from their repertoire, punishing him for things he didn't do wrong like when Darnell Toney (; )) deflected passes to other teams. They don't talk _TO_ him, they talk *at* him & he has No Agency Here. He resigns himself to Following Orders & when you have someone like Arthur Smith who never admits to making mistakes, that can only lead to you Getting Blamed for when His Plans fail. & Tomlin? Sorry, but he _IS_ slow. _He_ decided to start Trubisky over 2 better QBs? _He thinks_ it's better to move onto Russ & restrict long passes to Pickens after seeing Fields score over 30 in an off-game & watched him make those Insanely Accurate throws down the field on the run? I don't know what other teams Fields chose the Steelers over but I can't think of many that would need his services that would be treating him this poorly. Like he's 'Special.'

[@dbeast03]

​@chicagodude8888 yeah, some of that is playing from behind quite a bit but the other half ... yeah he's rough in the clutch. Either way, he deserved and maybe needed the chance outside of Chicago, and I say that being a Bears' fan.

[@frankbuttacavoli637]

You know that bad snaps and dropped screens are considered qb fumbles right?

[@chicagodude8888]

@@dbeast03 By playing from behind we’re talking about one possession games where driving the field for a field goal sends the game into OT. Fourth quarter Fumbles and interceptions are the result of asking him to throw in obvious passing situations which he’s failed at over and over and over again. His one come from behind victory came vs the Vikings in a game he fumbled twice in the fourth quarter where the bears won 12-10.

[@PhyzinicStudios]

I feel like we're a game or two away from Sam Darnold joining this conversation. It baffled me how there was early MVP talks around him.

[@gbrow1604]

Wtf? He's had one bad game after throwing 11 TDs through 4 weeks. And that was against a tough defense in a game where he took a huge hit to the midsection early on and was not the same after.

[@cookieanddabutt2843]

They like that Aww Shucks character trope. A familiar face.

[@Kisamefishfry]

It's also hard when Nix has had an inconsistent running game, he's been the leading rusher in 3 games. And his receivers might be the worst unit in the league. It puts a lot on him mentally.

[@pxrays547]

Good point. Also he's seven games into it, he's a build and the Donks are on the rebuild. Just so happens the defense is keeping the competitive while this building is happening.

[@Traps3500]

I’ve watched pretty much every Bears game since 2022 because I live in Chicago. Fields pretty much was the entire offense in 2022-2023. He’s a very confusing quarterback. I can’t tell if he’s getting better or worse. He can make big plays but nothings really consistent. Yet he’s been a part in how the Bears finished the second half of 2023 with a winning record. Now he’s on a Steelers team with a winning record. It’s all kinda crazy.

[@TheCountofToulouse]

Quality WR's make a QB's job easier. Mahomes has as many INT's as TD's this year. He's a very capable QB, no one is doubting that but what has changed? KC has let some really good WR's walk and replaced them with guys that are no where NEAR as talented. If a quality QB is struggling, there are a few reasons why. Dan Marino never won a title and in the playoffs we saw why. No running game. If you don't have a RB threat, it makes you pretty easy to figure out when someone watches film on you. Dallas is learning the HARD way what passing on King Henry really cost them.

[@riyd]

herbert is probably the one guy that could look elite with an actual recieving room for him to throw too. Dude has rookie ladd mcconkey, very average quentin johnston, and josh palmer?

[@trap2302]

Relax on Herbert he is in a completely new offense and team as a whole along with fighting injuries.. he will be fine

[@giyuwavy1771]

“This stop in Pittsburgh” I hope the Steelers keep Fields 🥺

[@DoNotPassGO]

Justin Fields' season is either going to end with him becoming the permanent starter in Pittsburgh or the permanent starter on another team like the Giants or Titans. No in-between.

[@cheetosleopard9861]

Fields needs to pick his next team and coach very wisely

[@Skillsfn12]

People saying Justin Herbert is overrated don’t watch football just because he’s not getting asked to play like super man people think he’s overrated😞if harbaugh had the team staley had we would be Super Bowl champs

[@Obie_24]

Champs? Ehhhh probably not. But contenders yes.

[@sethnelson8698]

I didn't really understand the point of Jim harbough looking at a possible future HOF QB and going "yeah, we're a run first team" and then they proceed to get rid of Justins best 2 targets from last year. And honestly Justin hasn't looked that bad stat wise, I haven't really seen the games but looking the stats, 6 TDs and 1 pick, while not having absolute jack squat for a receiving core and being a run first offense. It's not bad, it's not a shouting MVP type performance, but it's not bad. I just don't understand why they literally crippled his receiving core. I mean yeah, a good run game is good, but you can't have 1 without the other, same goes for the Steelers, and the game against Dallas was the perfect example, the run game was completely shut down, therefore the passing game was also just completely locked down

[@robsop9512]

Herb will be fine. He is throwing to a potpourri of rookies and who-dats. If Q Johnston or Palmer develop into a legit weapon and Laddy turns out to be a true WR2, then all will be forgotten. Mo Pix is garbage and I do not see him ever being much better than a solid backup or fringe starter. He had to live within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage in college, and that ain't changing in the NFL. Fields might have a huge year or 2 in the future once he finds himself as a passer. I could see a Rich Gannon kind of arc to his career.

[@Roodoca]

While this video has pretty accurate rap on Fields, he's still probably Pittsburgh best option at the position for this season. I think Russel is likely cooked at this point in his career, sure he might throw a couple nicer deep passes per game, but Fields probably still offers more explosive plays per game with his running abilities. Still, I don't think either offer much hope for a franchise, aside from being a first round exist.

[@SoyAngellll]

TYYY for mentioning Justin Herbert. It erratic to say Justin came into the league with serious Heat. to be fair he does play for the charger other than that he has been disappointing since.

[@CSquared11]

Why’d you have to spend the entire chargers segment playing clips of my raiders getting clowned? 😭

[@levi8781]

Please use different background music it kept sounding like a real siren going off

[@Tryingtofindacreativename]

Fields has no RB or Receivers and the def has been shit on 3 of the 6 games. Blaming Fields for that is insane hater vibes.

[@GrapeTeaNews]

Justin Herbert Is OVERRATED 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ADUSN]

Extremely.

[@davidalexander6532]

how do you actually come to this conclusion?

[@brianbadonde9251]

We KNOW. But what typa fruity ahh channel you got bro

[@alxwc]

You dont know ball

[@wwblanch24]

1/10 ragebait

[@jameysummers1577]

Fields sucks. He should have never been brought in.

[@Fibertag7]

So you’d rather have some random backup start your first 6 games with Wilson out??? The Steelers can thank baby Jesus they got fields for the steal they did with Wilson going down.

[@jameysummers1577]

You don't win championships with a running QB. Just like you don't put a QB in at wide receiver. Tomlin dropped the ball with Kenny and now we have table scraps. We could have had a franchise QB. The know nothing fans of this city are happy Kenny is gone, but they don't know how good of an offense we could have had with Kenny.

[@seanholmes5173]

You’d rather have Pickett than fields😭

[@Obie_24]

Pickett sucks

[@cheetosleopard9861]

You can only win super bowls with QBs that can run now