ProRes Impressions on the iPhone 13 Pro - It's Finally Here! (+ 4K Samples)

ProRes is here before Apple's update thanks to some sneaky work from the team over FiLMiC Pro. In this video, I've had some time to shoot and edit some sample footage and these are my thoughts. Does this feature really improve the quality of your iPhone footage?
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[@MattQuattro]

Thanks for your feedback everyone! I've come to the conclusion the compression was a little too much on this video... I've gone ahead and re-uploaded some footage with a higher bitrate. So if you're keen to see the ProRes footage unedited by itself, you can find it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHK9mH1jabxja9E

[@universecreator1]

Im not sure but your entire vid seems somewhat blurry to me. And I just watched others ProRes vids and they were excellent quality. And for reference I am watching 4K on my MacBook Pro 16 inch and my wifi is excellent.

[@MattQuattro]

Hmmm... interesting. I've just had a look in 4K and I think it might be the compression that's killing it. The brighter scenes seem good but the shadows are getting crushed for the darker scenes. I might see if I can put some on a Drive link for people to look at!

[@lntg]

Yeah idk why either. The other KZbin videos don’t look bad at all but some of your shots look like it has a low bitrate. Maybe KZbin did some funny stuff with your upload.

[@antonioruizmateos]

@MattQuattro Nice video! Indeed, looks like KZbin encoding has been pretty aggressive, as I've seen other videos with ProRes samples and they were super clean and with basically no compression artifacts at all.

[@kermitrehab]

it looked worse then a point and shoot from 2005 ! .. something happened, maybe the uploaded file to KZbin was too big and it did something crazy with the compression.

[@MattQuattro]

Yeah it’s a shame. I’ve re-uploaded the ProRes samples to a seperate video, hopefully this fairs a bit better! kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHK9mH1jabxja9E

[@AI3Dorinte]

the default camera app delivers better quality than filmic pro 10bit, it should always be used if you don't need the focus pull and other settings...

[@criticaltinker]

i hope Apple will add log profile shooting with prores though.

[@mejlgaardbliddal]

If Apple want people to use ProRes as a codec on their phones it seams as they need to add faster transfer options from the phone to the editing computer.

[@MattQuattro]

Absolutely agree, it would help a lot!

[@adrianskubisz6307]

Rumors say that the iPhone 14 will most likely make a switch to USB-C! Hope it happens

[@CameronBrooks]

I always wondered why the ultra wide camera seemed to have more compression artifacts than the main camera shooting normal 4k video

[@dimitriskypraios3669]

Hello 👋 Do you know if editing on LumaFusion on iPhone 13 pro is a good idea with ProRes files?

[@MattQuattro]

I would say yes and no. LumaFusion is a great app and I’ve enjoyed the editing I’ve done so far. But keep in mind when you transfer ProRes footage, it will effectively duplicate it into its own storage. So if you shoot 50GB of footage, you’ll end up with 100GB of storage used on your phone when you start editing it in LumaFusion. But it works!

[@dimitriskypraios3669]

@@MattQuattro Thanks a lot for the reply:)

[@robertm3951]

@@MattQuattroIt actually sounds like it might be viable with the 1TB model Then again, that amount of workload seems bad for the data storage on the phone

[@CosminRotaru]

Finally someone that understands the point of prores.

[@kermitrehab]

3:57 the shutter speed is so fast, are there no ND filters for iPhones ? seems much needed in that kind of bright situation.

[@MattQuattro]

I don't have one for the iPhone 13 Pro yet, waiting to get one in from Sandmarc and then I'll test it. Otherwise it's impossible to get the proper shutter speed without it.

[@benjiebarker]

If you had a lightning to sd card adapter could you transfer those files there than use the sd card to transfer to your computer? Could i use my iphone camera kit with sd card slot on the iphone 13?

[@imtherealvict1m]

Couldn’t you just transfer the files from your iPhone directly to your computer ?

[@huplim]

I’m not a pro, but watched it anyway. Love the explainer!

[@PrestonGladd]

Something is up with your iPhone samples. Your actifacting is over the top. I have seen prores uploaded to YT and it was not artifacting at all in the same conditions. Something is off with how you rendered it, or possibly saved the files. If you saved to camera roll via filmic that could be the issue, not sure but I don't feel your footage represents the lot of what I have seen. Just an observation.

[@MattQuattro]

I don’t disagree with you Preston! I’ve transferred these files directly from FiLMiC but I think what it comes down to is using the ultra wide lens with a maxed out shutter in these bright daylight conditions. I’m currently getting in a variable ND filter and I want to see if this will make a difference.

[@peppyp7323]

ND filters are the missing secret sauce. definitely will make a huge difference.

[@iamarunch]

wifi 6 should be faster right?

[@roxics]

What the are bitrate/filesize differences between 1080p and 2160p? Also I've never even heard of filmic pro 10bit mode, I'll have to look into that. I don't use filmic pro. I wonder if that would work on my current iPhone 8+. I thought it would just be one flavor of ProRes, I don't realize you could shoot proxy, HQ, etc. Is it the same ProRes as other cameras get or a specialized version for the iPhone? We need more technical details and comparisons between different versions/resolutions/framerates/bitrate per bitdepth,/etc.

[@pinkiepie1656]

4 to 1

[@ramoncastillo532]

First time in this channel and damn this is a good video, you need way more love from the algorithm, hope you blow up you can be really big, great video 👍

[@MattQuattro]

Cheers Ramon, I really appreciate you stopping by!

[@parkyomeow]

Which one is better video quality 4K standard camera or ProRes 1080p?

[@MattQuattro]

ProRes 1080p will have more data and I would prefer it over very compressed 4K. But depends on what you plan to do with the footage!

[@parkyomeow]

@@MattQuattro would you still prefer it for regular vlogging/pranks?

[@nicoletiana]

I got the white iPhone 13 pro max in 128gb and I'm obsessed with this phone. I have an unboxing video and test on my channel! If you've been considering getting it, get it it's so worth it!

[@lucas_518]

Good job Matt good video and editing but I love the voice overs and the super crisp audio keep it up👍

[@MattQuattro]

Cheers Lucas! 🤙🏼

[@gabrielmoro3d]

Awesome video! Thank you ;)

[@MartinQvistTyron]

Why not use the iCloud for getting it on your mac, ipad etc. for editing and then delete it when done?

[@MattQuattro]

Just because in my experience the upload speeds are painfully slow. And I'm not sure if this is still the case but previously file uploads were capped at 15GB.

Sorry Matt, but without source video files It has no value for me. YT compression etc. The record is completely destroyed. How do I find out the real quality then?

[@MattQuattro]

I believe KZbinr Michael Tobin put his ProRes files on a GDrive link if that might be more useful to you :)

[@adnan_velic]

Honestly spending more time learning how to use a proper camera rather than editing iphone 13 pro prores footage is way more beneficial to people who aspire to become film makers. The dynamic range is horrendous as you mentioned.

[@quickfilmmakingtips2870]

Absolutely. If you learn how to use any blackmagic camera (some can be bought for $250) The footage will look a million times better and you will be ready to use the types of cameras used on professional productions.

[@xacttube2889]

Literally most underrated channel

[@theinstagurujay]

amazing! finally something that makes sense. Which storage would you recommend if I am a creator who won't be using or might use prores in the future?

[@MattQuattro]

Thanks Jay! I would recommend the 512GB or 1TB if you plan to use a lot of ProRes, especially with all of the other stuff on your phone taking up space.

[@dixter1652]

@@MattQuattro footage looks nice... some people complain about the file size.... so do just like you would if you are shooting with a Blackmagic 6K Pro... you use a 1tb SSD for the footage.... I just tried this last night.... iphone 13pro max... use the USB adapter... plug in the Samsung T5 SSD card... After you shoot the footage you open the " file " app then from the pictures app you send the footage to the file app and it will load the footage to the T5 SSD.... now you just plug the T5 into your computer for Davinci editing... works perfectly.. also... you can shoot two different ProRes formats.... with the Iphone 13Pro it will shoot ProRes HDR and if you use the App called Filmic Pro you can shoot in just ProRes or 10bit Log.... the 10 bit log footage colors very well in Davinci.... the difference between the ProRes HDR and the Filmic Pro ProRes is easy to see... latter, good luck

[@nyambe]

Can you try a cine bloom or black mist filter with the iPhone 13 and proRes?

[@MattQuattro]

That’s an interesting thought. It might help take the edge off the very sharp footage, but you’d need a way to attach it to your phone!

[@nyambe]

@@MattQuattro Moment has a cinebloom for iPhone. :-) They never go off on my Sonys

[@zilinhuang8949]

official prores is out today!! iOS 15.1 beta3 finally getting official prores!

[@MattQuattro]

I saw! Waiting on the final release of 15.1 now 🙏🏼

[@RennieAsh]

ProRes and 4k, but the compression on this video seems too much to appreciate those features?

[@MattQuattro]

Don’t disagree with you Rennie, I think those darker scenes didn’t fair too well after compression… I might upload it again with a ProRes master and see if that’s better!

[@RennieAsh]

Matt Quattro what program do you compress with? Sometimes I feel rendering in low compression then using something like Handbrake gives better quality

[@MattQuattro]

This was rendered out through DaVinci Resolve using the 4K KZbin preset but I think the compression was much too high for this kind of content. Appreciate your advice :)

[@boutthere3374]

Great points.

[@alexpark6596]

Is there a magnification lense on your face? Its bugging me out

[@alexdubois6585]

I agree. Almost pointless to have ProRes with only a lightning port. They should have put a Thunderbolt port on the Pro phones. I'm only an enthusiast, ProRes would have been good to play with, but for now, I'll stay with my iPhone XR and my Fuji XT3.

[@EpicLemonMusic]

Nah, as someone who uses about 18tb of phone footage a month, no need for a port. iCloud, Airdrop, third party photo app sharing over WiFi. We use iPhone 13 pro max to shoot student videos, not Prores but no need for lightning, plugs are dated, we send directly to a 20tb external drive at around 900mbps

[@alexdubois6585]

@@EpicLemonMusic 40gbps with Thunderbolt. They may come-up with a short range high bandwidth new protocol. But Wifi is too slow for "professional" video transfer or large file transfer. I agree that Lightning is slower than Wifi 6 but that was not my point. Curious how you get constant 900mbps by the way.

[@joranvancoillie8133]

The official Apple ProRes is available in the iOS 15.1 Beta 3

[@rafaelrosal.]

Innit transfer speeds were meant to be done faster by 5G using iCloud?

[@MattQuattro]

I've had a few people mention this. I don't have 5G myself but I'd be keen to hear if anyone has had any experience with this :)

[@rafaelrosal.]

@@MattQuattro I know but I’m pretty sure that would be Apple excuse. They mention it everywhere in their ads (let’s not forget they always advertise the higher specs version of their products like 1Tb space, higher RAM memory and prob expecting us to use a non limited 5G plan, besides they said whole workflow in iPhone)

[@khaigaming1875]

Hi Im want Asking something Im already updat ios 15.1 but still dont have pro res

[@MattQuattro]

I don’t have it on my phone but make sure it’s iOS 15.1 beta 3.

[@pinkiepie1656]

Do you have the 128gb model?

[@melgross]

I’m not experiencing all of,those highlight blowouts. It happens occasionally, but it is rare, even on the regular Apple app. So,far, ProRez has had even less. Some of the videos you’ve shown are overexposed.

[@MattQuattro]

The default camera app tends to shoot in HDR by default meaning it would be harder to clip those highlights. But my point was the dynamic range is limited, meaning if you want to expose some dark leaves against a bright sky, you have either over-expose the sky, or under-expose the leaves. Hope that helps!

[@melgross]

@@MattQuattro if you’re going to compare this to,something costing thousands of dollars that does nothing other than take pictures and possibly video, then yes, the dynamic range is limited. But it’s actually not in most practical situations. Only when attempting to show dynamic range limitations.

[@MrMacroJesseSky]

At the end of the day, image quality is going to be limited by the sensor which dictates dynamic range, and image quality. Prores codecs just retain more of that information. Unless color grading, don’t bother with prores.

[@MattQuattro]

I agree with you Jesse, this will be much more useful once we can get a log colour profile off the phone too!

[@os5037]

@@MattQuattro You can have a log color profile with prores just use Protake instead of filmic pro

[@markoconnell804]

iCloud via 5G upload?

[@holgerwinkler9278]

Please show the differences in rain or snowfall. The normal codec makes many raindrops and snowflakes disappear. Is ProRes better for this?

[@Todestelzer]

I will probably use 1080p prores. I have the 256gb but 4k is to big and I don’t have a 4k tv anyway….

[@MattQuattro]

Honestly 1080p is still great. And you can shoot up to 60p then as well!

[@robertm3951]

@@MattQuattro Is the footage really that much better in 4K?

[@MattQuattro]

The quality of the footage is the same in my opinion, just depends on where you’re going to watch it. If it’s on a 4K TV, then having more resolution makes it look sharper.

[@richardsisk1770]

Good overview. I am wondering about the fake shallow depth of field feature and fake rack focusing. Will those features work in Filmic Pro?

[@MattQuattro]

Sadly not at this point, they're just reserved for the basic camera app when you flip it to Cinematic mode on the iPhone 13.

[@lewisaa05]

Wow. Those transfer speeds suck! But cool to have prores in your pocket. If you happen to randomly need it 😂

[@MattQuattro]

True, hopefully they'll improve on this in the next release of phone!

[@paperpeppercreative]

great

[@bd7190]

Great video, thank you. Do you know if there is a difference in quality when saving the video in filmic pro library instead of the photo app in iphone?

[@MattQuattro]

Hey B D, the file is exactly the same thankfully. When you transfer it from Filmic, it just creates a copy of the file in the photo library :)

[@bd7190]

@@MattQuattro thank you very much Matt

[@pep98]

WELL DONE APPLE!! After all these years, and done by a professionel filmer, i STILL se a lot of flickering in moving objects and still see a lot of lensflare! Nothing new afterall. Not even that you managed to take another 1500 out of my pocket for just "more of the same", so yes, well done!

[@_Ace._]

You are all so silly. ProRes isn't pro resolution, ProRes is a compressed format. Uncompressed video is unaltered, full-resolution video. Each frame of video is fully represented in its purest form. Compression tries to interpret the same video but in a smaller file size.

[@maxout1551]

Next iphone will have thunderbolt port .

[@rokph1067]

still not usb type C ahahaha

[@MattQuattro]

And I’ve never really cared about that until now haha

[@ky5250]

Your video seems low bite ratey

[@Lama-it6rk]

ProRes files are huuuuge, and lightining connection isn't fast at all! So making an entire video in prores is pretty much stupid and a huge waste of time!

[@hemrakhozeini8953]

i think you even dont know what is ProRes.

[@lingcheng858]

Bro, no one wanted to see your pink t-shirt here. More pro res footage than the talk could be better. Unsubscribing.