ProRes RAW vs. BRAW [BMPCC4K] | Frame Voyager

[@FrameVoyager]

There is probably a lot more to add about ProRes Raw and BRAW but tried to get through the basic stuff first. We might do a follow-up video to dive deeper into it and show footage examples and answer any questions we get in the comment section on this video! Let us know if you have any specific questions!

[@RoadtrippinwithTakacs]

Great video! I've actually been binging on a bunch of them. 😁 I'm glad I saw that segment at the end about BRAW not working on FCPX. I use a 2015 Mac. Do you think it'll run the current Davinci Resolve well? I'm getting ready to transition from a Panasonic G85 and FCPX to a BMPCC 4k and Davinci.

[@FrameVoyager]

@@RoadtrippinwithTakacs glad you're liking the videos! That's an interesting question. I would say it has the potential to work. Davinci runs better than premiere and the BRAW codecs make it easier on your computer while editing so it might be fine. The good thing is that the pocket 4k comes with davinci resolve for free so at least you could test it for free. I'm more of a PC guys than a Mac guy so that's about where my helpfulness ends 😂

[@RoadtrippinwithTakacs]

@@FrameVoyager Lol. 😀 I appreciate it. I might just have to use my kids' PCs to edit then. 😁

[@FrameVoyager]

@@RoadtrippinwithTakacs haha gotta do what you have to create! Good luck to you! Let me know if you have any other questions I can help you with!

[@ShutterlabCreative]

I hope ProRes raw gets resolve support soon. PRRAW is so accessable, and Resolve is the most robust editor in 2021.

[@FrameVoyager]

I agree. Odd that a system that's looking to be a major player isn't adding the ability to edit PRRAW

[@GalacticNeighbor]

@Frame Voyager I hope they do it soon. It is dependent on Apple licensing/ giving BMD permission to implement it into their software. Adobe got it, why not BMD?

[@Nikita_Brus]

@@GalacticNeighbor I assume because BlackMagic wants you to buy their Video Assist's.

[@LukeBroadhurstfilm]

If it did, I’d switch to a Sony camera. I have a black magic camera because it suits my workflow. Sony would be great but I’m not going to Final Cut Pro

[@staubig]

I hate how Apple is pulling a classic Apple if it comes to ProRes RAW compatability. Only available on one brand of recorders and only compatible with a very limited range of apps on one specific operating system. Okay, seems like you don't even want me using your system, guess I won't 🤷‍♂️

[@FrameVoyager]

Seriously though. I get they have proprietary stuff but they could at least afford some cross compatibility. Even the stupid Non USB-C charging cable for the iPhone is literally a money grab

[@HollywoodweddingfilmsGREECE]

The most important DIFFERENCE of B-RAW vs PRO-RES RAW was covered in barely 4seconds , from 5.09-5.13 ...... Which is rather unacceptable when the title is "ProRes RAW vs. BRAW" These 4 seconds are the absolute DEFINITION of the concept described by the words "RAW codec". Being able to manipulate the values of the most important features which create an image , in post production , without loosing absolutely any actual quality. BRAW is ages ahead from PRORES RAW which has barely scratched this particular surface. It is like comparing JPEG vs RAW photos and talking about compression , processing efficiency and file sizes. You should shed (all the possible) light on this particular matter.

[@FrameVoyager]

While I agree with a lot of your points, I probably need to make a part 2 to this video. I probably needed to be a little more specific on what aspects of the codec I was looking at. For me, this video kind of goes into assuming you know what RAW is and is more look at compression and bitrates that it offers vs. BRAW. Appreciate the comments though! Totally fine to be called out if we missed on something. Would love to follow back up with you when we circle back around to this subject and get your thoughts on it if you're interested?

[@HollywoodweddingfilmsGREECE]

@@FrameVoyager Thank you for your direct response. I would love to get a feedback from you and your thoughts , through a secondary video. I am definitely interested in what you have to say (or what you find) , through a deeper analysis. Thank you for taking the time to reply.

[@FrameVoyager]

@@HollywoodweddingfilmsGREECE no problem at all! For me their is so much information in all of this genre that it's always hard to be an expert in all of it and once in a while you'll miss stuff. Love having viewers challenge stuff in the video, makes a more productive community!

[@kristicifci5389]

Review please bmpcc 6K full frame that they released

[@8lec_R]

I think the reason why Resolve cannot edit ProRes raw is due to royalties or something. I'm not sure on that but that's what I've heard on the BlackMagic forums

[@FrameVoyager]

Yeah, that would totally make sense. I get it as a business owner but as a creative would be nice if everyone lived in harmony 😂

[@aperturefilm]

This video is 2 years old, now we can davinci resolve supports ProRes

[@DevaStationCrew]

hello. you can change Proresraw wb,iso metadata in Finalcut and I assume this will happen to Premiere Pro in the next 6 months

[@FrameVoyager]

Thanks for clarifying that! I may have said that wrong in the video. Hopefully they do add it!

[@skymakai]

Depends on the camera. Panasonic seems to have added the ability, but Sony has not.

[@jackssketchbook]

Great video, apparantly theres some bad politics between Apple/RED/Atomos and Blackmagic so there may not be crossover any time soon :/

[@FrameVoyager]

Thanks! And yeah, while it would be nice to have all of those encoding options it will never happen. Makes sense for them to only have their proprietary formats on their cameras and not others. Though BRAW seems to have been added to some other cameras recently which is quite interesting.

[@8lec_R]

@@FrameVoyager yes thru the BM monitors... Very cool IMO

[@Youknowthebo]

I just binge watched a bunch of your videos. I started using the BMPCC4K half a year ago for my YOutube Channel and as a camera for my freelance filmediting work as a webcam. Love that camera and your videos are definitely very helpful and entertaining. Keep up the great work. Subscribed

[@FrameVoyager]

Appreciate it! Glad your enjoying the videos and that they are both entertaining and helpful! Love getting to hear about others with their cameras out there filming. Hope to see you around the channel, let me know if you ever have any questions!

[@Youknowthebo]

@@FrameVoyager Thanks. Same to you if you have any questions as well. From a backpack and travel perspective the BMPCC4K was definitely a big transition coming from a Sony a6300. Packing and traveling with the BMPCC4k is definitely not as easy. Or shooting yourself alone in the field without AFC is definitely not the easiest. So I#d love to see a video on how you pack your camera or shoot yourself without anyone behind the camera.

[@FrameVoyager]

That's a good idea! I definitely plan on showing how I pack my pocket4k for hiking and also for when I travel in hard cases. This is probably the most requested video I get 😂 probably should make it

[@Youknowthebo]

@@FrameVoyager I definitely know the struggle of getting this camera into a bag 😂 Obviously it's easier when it's dismantled, but I'd love to see how you pack it as "shooting ready" as possible ;-)

[@FrameVoyager]

@@Youknowthebo sure! I might actually film this next week when I'm out in Alaska. Feels like a good off the cuff kind of video that would be more interesting with a fun backdrop!

[@unbound_classic]

As an update Final Cut Pro now has a third party BRAW workflow extension that allows native BRAW editing without transcoding. It's called BRAW Toolbox. Though you do have to import through the workflow extension. But at least the support is there now.... Sadly both companies have not got over whatever issues they seem to have. Which is sad as they used to work closely with each other.

[@FrameVoyager]

For sure! haha funny enough I barely even remeber making this video 😅

[@unbound_classic]

@@FrameVoyager hahaha that’s how it goes some times. Soooo many videos.

[@mrvk699]

Did you upgrade to ColorScience ver5 ?? On BlackMagic Raw? Also your thoughts on BMPCC 6K PRO ?

[@FrameVoyager]

Have yet to do so as I've been traveling a good bit! Planning on getting to the GEN 5 color science here soon. I have yet to really play around with the camera yet but here are my initial thoughts on it --> kzbin.info/www/bejne/amrMc6iAgZ6Gd9k

[@YugUikey]

Very helpful information before buying bmpcc6k pro 😀

[@FrameVoyager]

Awesome! Glad it helped you out

[@yadekeffieh8139]

Hi thanks for your content. Thank you for taking the time to respond I would like to know if there is a loss of sharpness on prores raw compared to BRaw? Is it possible to use prores raw with After effect? I was planning to use the bmpcc6k for a green screen job thats why all that question :). Thanks again.

[@FrameVoyager]

Sorry I didn't get to this question sooner. Was out filming and diving the past few days! 1. As far as which is sharper, it's difficult to answer because the opinion really varies between videographers and what your preference is. I would venture to say that ProRes Raw probably has a slight edge in sharpness, but that edge is fairly small. 2. Yep! It's supported in After Effects --> nofilmschool.com/adobe-premiere-pro-now-supports-prores-raw Appreciate your questions and for watching! Hope to see you around the channel again!

[@yadekeffieh8139]

@@FrameVoyager thank you for taking the time to answer me and provide us with quality content. I took your answers. thank you very much see you soon

[@FrameVoyager]

@@yadekeffieh8139 not a problem! Happy to answer any questions!

[@blackridgeproductions2738]

What is a partial debayer in BRAW and how does this technically make it not RAW??

[@FrameVoyager]

Great question! Here is a good article that goes into detail about what that means. --> www.rdstrong.com/explaining-raw/

[@SomewhatAbnormal]

It’s 2023 and I don’t think there has been much movement in the RAW battle? Unless I missed something? As it stands, and to my knowledge, ProRes RAW is still the “more RAW” format. Last time I checked BRAW was doing some sort of Pre-bayering of the image which was causing noise in high ISO images, especially if you isolate the blue channel. Whereas ProRes RAW was giving a more true RAW file in the same tests - non-smeary pixel definition. Anyway here we are years later with an arduous workflow because Resolve still doesn’t allow us to import ProRes RAW. We either have to import to Final Cut, white balance, save as 4444, then import to Resolve OR we have to convert to cDNG then import. NEITHER of these is ideal! If anyone knows of any changes since this video was posted, please comment! I’d love to know how you’re handling RAW in 2023!

[@hippopictures]

Hi, is it possible to fix white balance on both RAW formats? Thanks for the video.

[@FrameVoyager]

No problem at all! On BRAW you can in post and I'm fairly certain you can on Pro Res RAW as well. Most RAW formats always allow you to be able to adjust in post. I will say though, from experience, it's much easier to get it close to correct white balance then it is to have it way off. If it's too far off, I've seen color corrections just not look right even when you do get them balanced correctly.

[@maxwilledit]

Short but informative video's, you earned a subscriber

[@FrameVoyager]

Appreciate it!

[@MrlegendOr]

Dp journey already answer this topic: BRAW have noise compression and sharpening. A Real RAW dont have. BRAW is good but it isn't a real RAW.🙃

[@joanharmonize]

I'm new to this whole bRAW world. I got a pocket 4K and all files are not clickable on my Mac. I guess they would on Resolve, but I wonder if there's a way to record from my Pockt 4k and be able to view the files easily on my MacBook

[@FrameVoyager]

Great question! I'm a PC user but I think this works the same way. You have to download software from BMD's website that installs a BRAW video viewer and I thinks it's the same download that would add a plugin to adobe premiere if you had that too. It's called Black magic raw 2.1 link is right here -- www.blackmagicdesign.com/support/

[@joanharmonize]

@@FrameVoyager Thanks!

[@davidortiz7]

Record in Prores HQ and it will work like a charm unless you have your heart set on BRAW, bra.

[@WestlakeKevin]

Great video! I'm on my fifth of yours in a row regarding BMPCC 4k. QQ: What lens are you using at 05:43 ?

[@FrameVoyager]

Sweet! Using a Laowa 7.5mm for that shot!

[@WestlakeKevin]

@@FrameVoyager thank you!

[@Satyam_Mehta]

Which 12 bit Raw codec is best for Bmpcc 6k.. B Raw or Ninja Or ProRes?

[@timlapointe4067]

Proguts. That needs to be a t-shirt.

[@FrameVoyager]

haha seriously! Can only make fun of yourself sometimes

[@theniceguys310]

Bro, these vids are incredible

[@FrameVoyager]

I appreciate that!

[@jez7600]

Great work!

[@FrameVoyager]

Appreciate it!

[@bralynstokes9193]

You're so handsome.

[@FrameVoyager]

Why thank you

[@bralynstokes9193]

@@FrameVoyager You're welcome!