Pros and Cons of EA Sports PGA Tour

EA Sports has returned to the golf gaming arena! In this video I review some of the best and worst parts of the game thus far and potentially the direction we see it going!
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[@Kilbride10]

Have you played EA Sports PGA Tour? If so, what is your strongest take? If not, will you be purchasing it?

[@redh8606]

If on sale

[@Kilbride10]

@@redh8606 I would imagine it will be in a few months

[@cooloutac]

Glad to have a PC game again. Has that typical ea sports play control and feel. Not sure I like the randomness. But I'm highly disappointed there is no turn based multiplayer or a way to communicate with other players like a chatbox or voip. That being said I enjoy playing it. Definitely overpriced though when you consider its lacking so many features, modes and options from the old tw08 game.

[@nickwilliams9714]

2K 21 golf game is still the best out there be a sports finally screwed up a good golf game go back in the day and play the old ones never shank a ball everything you hit go straight not this game I won’t buy another one and I will recommend that to my all my friends until you fix that shank and I get tired of hit the ball to the right all the time in Netflix shank it even on easy mode doesn’t matter what mode is on

[@Kilbride10]

@@nickwilliams9714 interesting. So you don’t like 2k23 either?

[@supersasukemaniac]

I hope they add Match Play to online mode since Match Play literally is a head to head competitive style of play.

[@Kilbride10]

Absolutely! That is a large hole in the current online competition

[@jasonmitchell7550]

Really great video. Just subscribed. Your analysis and delivery deserve over 100k subscribers. Very odd seeing less than 1k.

[@Kilbride10]

Too kind! Much appreciated. Loved taking my time develop the vid, love golf and gaming and editing videos so it was a perfect match. Thanks again!

[@jsmeez520]

I'm enjoying the career mode but this game has a lot of missing pieces for a $70 price tag: - no replay - no driving range/putting green to practice - reads are usually off especially in putting. Irons picking and choosing when they want to be affected by wind is annoying too - would be nice to be able to fastforward CPU shots when playing modes that have multiple golfers - graphics are lacking considering this is a next gen (current gen now???) game

[@Kilbride10]

All great points that would be ideal to have and some of which odd that they dont from the get go

[@stevesumner9988]

Great video. I played 2K with a mouse, because a controller was so far out of my ability. Game even became very unpredictable using mouse. Timing was all over the place. Calibration did no good. Then along comes EA, and I'm a happy camper. Even using a controller. If EA comes out with a course designer program, and introduces 2v2, and 4v4 like 2K along with play order, they will have a home run. I suspect EA will come out with additional courses in the near future.

[@Kilbride10]

Yes. I think the limited courses (compared to 2k) has been a widely voiced concern. While we are still only a month into the game cycle I would imagine it is of high priority to them to continue to expand the course list to prolong engagement

[@sescaro26]

So far, I have only played the USGA event, and it didn’t occur, but I recall in TW 13 or 14 there would be crowd roars from other holes while you were playing and the game would say “ birdied 13 to go to -7”. It totally amped up the immersion, and I hope it’s either in events I haven’t hit or they add it as they continue to update the game.

[@Kilbride10]

Ea certainly is improvement from 2k in that aspect however you are right, it seemed like such a focus a decade ago, you would imagine atmosphere would be improved in that time period however it seems to be the opposite. The competition between the two developers should hopefully force their hand to improve🤞

[@supersasukemaniac]

It is great at TPC Scottsdale though, the Stadium at 16 is appropriately bonkers.

[@Lawry200]

TW 13 and 14 don’t exist bro

[@user-bi4hw2wi2k]

The trial version has been updated on Xbox Live , and its a 10 hour download .....plus the added 3 click swing ! So fun .

[@RottenMuLoT]

I played my first round this morning... on Pebble Beach, nonetheless. I think they updated the game already to make it less frustrating. For example, there is an option now to give you any put under 3 feet. Coming from someone who played TW games from 2008 to 2012 and then RM in 2015, I feel at home already. The graphics are FANTASTIC. The game has a great golf atmosphere. It has been a very long time since I had that feeling. It feels truly great. My only grip so far is that it is a REQUIREMENT to setup an EA account otherwise you get into offline mode with NO SAVED progression. This is insane. EA is asking me to change my password, I just want to play a round of golf, for fuck sake...

[@poacherman2616]

I’d like 60 fps as well as an Australian course or courses added and the addition of weather.

[@Kilbride10]

All very reasonable asks. 🤞

[@amigopheasantkiller]

i dont like how it is near impossible to hit a truly bad shot...in 2k u can hit some horrific shots...and it is not random, its when ur timing is bad. EA is only about distance control, even on sim settings

[@Kilbride10]

yeah 2k has far more variablity in shot outcomes. Their swing all around gets the edge for me, feels more realistic and the outcomes seem it too. EA isnt far off but a bit too arcadey and slow for my preference.

[@toddgabweg]

I used to love all the golf games, but now after experiencing golf in vr using a regular controller seems such a step backwards. Golf+ is fun on the Quest2 and hopefully it will be even better on the PSVR2. I would love for EA to come out with a VR mode.

[@Kilbride10]

Definitely seems like the future of golf gaming. Perhaps other sports as well.

[@alfigliolia5264]

Would really be interested in someone on the PC version tell us about the differences between play now 30fps on consoles (Soon to be 60FPS) and presently on PC at 60-90-120 fps?

[@Kilbride10]

Based on my discussions with pc players… it’s a pretty substantial. That being said, objectively tempo isn’t as critical on EA as it is on 2k for a successful result. The “feel” is much better on 2k imo and I would imagine if EA can improve on fps it will strongly help their cause in that area.

[@supersasukemaniac]

I hope EA adds more PGA pros to the game, right now i think you only get about 6 to play against in career mode since most of the guys are in LIV.

[@Kilbride10]

Very true. I think that will be a difficult battle as they all need agreements with Ea individually. I will say it’s odd not seeing big names like Rory, Hovland and Homa all not in either game currently. I wonder why

[@McHugh1949]

I am thinking of buying it because it is on sale until May 29 at a 40% discount. A friend of mine ordered the game pre-release and is disappointed in the game. He says you can only play multiplayer at Pro level with all aids turned on. He plays at Sim level. In addition there is no turn order in multiplayer so you will hardly see your playing partner. I haven't asked my friend yet but I am hoping you can play rounds without the galleries and commentary. In addition I assume basic options like turning off the comet trail are available. He did mention that update 3.0 improved the putting. He also says that the swing at the present time is too "mechanical" but I will be finding out shortly.

[@Kilbride10]

For sure worth the wait at this point. Hopefully you enjoy when you purchase

[@zmanpianoman]

Good game but the views have to get better. Your in a bunker and you can't get a good view of where your aiming. The putting is difficult even with assist on. You cannot trust the line. Just today it froze up on the last hole while trying to putt out. Still needs a lot of tweaks taken care of. When around the green you should be able to use whatever club you want not just the wedges.

[@Kilbride10]

Agreed on all points. Short game as a whole needs some work. The blast shot seems like one I never used at all after unlocking the pick and ad far as camera angles it is extremely difficult to manipulate. Hopefully all of this feedback help’s influence some change. I know they already made improvements on putting yet I still don’t love the feel

[@zmanpianoman]

Can't trust the putter assist. Needs a practice putting green. Tutorials are no help at all, just more challenges that get you aggrevated. Plus after your 5 or 10 tries you have to wait for the whole thing to load up again. I guess they want us to look at youtube videos to learn. Thank god for GT7. Lol

[@Kilbride10]

@@zmanpianoman all so relatable 😂

[@nickwilliams9714]

They still need to fix the sensitivity on the controller because even on easy mode, the ball still Shanks, right or left

[@Kilbride10]

cant say I have experienced it, what platform are you playing on? I wonder if others are experiencing the same issues

[@svenkamog2232]

Most courses look fantastic, however the ones that don't, look like an Amiga 500 game 😬 and definitely need some work...

[@Kilbride10]

Not going to lie, I had to google the reference, 😂

[@jumpjet777]

@@Kilbride10 Blimey, not only do I look old ........ you've succesfully made FEEL old! (ex Amiga 500, 1000, 2000 owner. Should I mention my Sinclair ZX81 with 1k memory?) 😜

[@Kilbride10]

@@jumpjet777 😂😂😂🙉

[@stevecontos3317]

I bought EA PGA Tour early on. Not a fan. Downloaded PGA Tour 2k23 and I enjoy this game much more. I was a huge fan of Tiger Woods back in the day. EAs new game feels too slow. The store options are too limited. I actually find the gameplay harder and more frustrating even on the easiest setting. Pro golfer roster is also not as good (in my opinion). Im ready to return EA PGA Tour and stick with 2k23.

[@Kilbride10]

After playing both quite a bit I strongly agree. EA has better graphics but gameplay and enjoyment is much higher on 2k

[@tomservo75]

Pros (as opposed to 2k23): Better graphics, much better commentary. I just love Lerner and Nobilo! Lots of real-life courses. Difficulty levels that can give a good golfer a challenge while not frustrating people like me. Cons: Glacial player progression. Pay-to-win system of "Pro Pass" that relies on paying them more $$$ for the best upgrades. Tournaments are a good idea but too easy for advanced players to ruin it. 2k is guilty of this too, but just for cosmetic stuff. No custom course designer. The thing about realistic tournament associations and the atmosphere of the big events, that really isn't important to me at all, since I don't follow golf as a sport.

[@Kilbride10]

All good points 👍. For me the most important part is gameplay and I feel like 2k delivers on that much better. Everyone has their preferences though and each will hopefully do better on their next release

[@benhenry1982]

they don't tell you before you buy that you have to connect with the ea server just to use career mode, it's B.S.

[@Kilbride10]

Sorry to hear. Yeah most games being released are requiring internet connectivity. It’s a real problem for those without the service.

[@time2shinex707]

2K23 also has to connect to the sever to play the career mode ,that is what you have to do in modern gaming because they need to generate income for the game through the internet .Ea is the best golf game on the market and 30 fps help with the swing, 60fps hurts 2k23 because the golfer swings way to fast.

[@jan-nicoboonstra531]

Was playing for about 40 hours and now getting the Error 23 save error cant play this game at all and the support desk not helping at all logged multiple request with no assistence

[@Kilbride10]

Brutal. Seems like it’s been a tough slide ever since launch. Sad to see

[@IMMADAAAWWGGGUUUHH]

Hopefully it’s worth the $70! I’ve been playing 2k so there’s no way it can any worse lol. Great video

[@Kilbride10]

If you have ea access there is a 10 hour trial. I’d highly suggest trying it through that first

[@frankwhite1895]

This blows away 2k23 imo

[@nathandyer7256]

I've just payed full price for it today. I'm really not sure if i like it or not.

[@Kilbride10]

@@nathandyer7256 I would try out challenges and progres through career mode (move up difficulty if too easy) and then work your way into the online tournaments. That’s what I did upon first purchase

[@royklein9206]

I want to play on pc but there is no truswing!! That breaks the whole game for me...

[@SimonJones265]

I enjoyed the game tbh. The Platinum trophy is pretty easy also.

[@Kilbride10]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@jeffzlatkin469]

Did you mention whether 3-Click Swing is an option in the Game?

[@Kilbride10]

Yes. It is available in both

[@jonahsmith2220]

Is there any way that if you're playing online instead of both players "golfing at the same time on the same hole" we can watch the other player and what they're doing instead of shooting at the same time? I'm not wording that great but hopefully someone can help me

[@Kilbride10]

I know in 2k there is a “turn order” option. I would imagine in whatever game mode on EA you are playing there would be a similar option.

[@Kilbride10]

Let me know if that works

[@time2shinex707]

2K23 days are numbered as the go to golf game,just imagine ea introduced a golf creator and 60 fps that would be the death of the 2kPGA franchise.The problem that i have with 2k23 having spent 50 Gbp on the game is the lack of content and i do not want to play on user created courses because most of the play the same.EA will add 60 fps and over features in later editions they know what they are doing.

[@Kilbride10]

Agreed. Both really lack quite a bit of customization. It’s shocking how limited you can customize your character in both games considering that who you are playing with 99 percent of the time, if not 100 percent of the time. Golf, as opposed to other spots is 100 percent focused on the individual so character customization seems that much more important. Curious to see which one will implement something in depth first

[@2cows534]

''2K23 days are numbered as the go to golf game''. That's an interesting statement seeing as 2K's player base has actually increased over the last month. It seem's that not everyone has abandoned it, in fact it's picked up more players.

[@almightyIrie]

My favorite part of EA's PGA? The fact that it exists.. i played a LOT of Tiger Woods back in PS1/PS2 days (yea i'm that old), and never touched a 2K Golf Game in my life. Not sure why tbh, i'm not a irl golfer or even a golf fan, i just loved playing the EA Games for some reason, felt so relaxing... that being said: just looking at the swing speed i am certain it's muscle memory, it looks much more familiar to me than the 2K swing... Didn't buy the new EA one yet because of EA being EA and we all know what that means for at least a decade now... But yea, i am really on the fence as nostalgia hits hard with that one.

[@Kilbride10]

Makes sense to me. I bet EA will be discounted soon enough to attract a few more players.

[@lshaffer1980]

One of the coolest things I did was tiger woods 2003ish got the game the day it came out from ebgames lol. Went home popped it in the PS2 and went online. I was the first to play online. I played a dev. He beat me but I didn't make it easy on him. Lol

[@jimgustafson6281]

Game looks great but is way too easy. Most shots are down the middle and putting is very easy for inside 25 feet. Very fun game though

[@Kilbride10]

Agreed. A bit too easy at times for sure.

[@thefella131]

Can you play using mouse and keyboard? Its £12 on steam just now.

[@Kilbride10]

2k you can. I would assume yes for ea. But I’m not sure

[@cooloutac]

Us PC Players been waiting almost 15 years.

[@Kilbride10]

Damnnnn yeah, didn’t even consider that!

[@rosshaines9717]

What the hell is going on with the delay when waiting for opponents to hit shots in the challenges? Almost unplayable. And the useless tap-ins. I’ve actually missed some auto tap-ins. How the hell does that work? ☹️

[@Kilbride10]

It really is truly pathetic. after spending some time with the game, 2K is far superior

[@perm1730]

Which golf game are you currently playing daily?

[@Kilbride10]

Neither. I switch back and forth occasionally. Lean towards 2k for competition but EA for a feel of real life course (such as LACC last week)

[@Lorfarius]

4 or 5 months later would you say its improved?

[@Kilbride10]

Not particularly. If you liked it originally then you still will enjoy. It is basically the same to this point. Graphics are significantly better than 2k. Imo 2k feels and is far more enjoyable despite the vast difference in graphics

[@Qweet_]

30 fps is a huge nono in 2023 on next gen console. Huge deal break

[@justwatching2302]

Career mode not having a 2 round option is brutal and my biggest gripe atm its making the season a slog. Edit: It’s an EA game….The graphics/courses/swing mechanics are on point. Allot of things are a mess but it will do.

[@Kilbride10]

Yeah. 2 rounds seems like such an ideal length for video game career mode too

[@thelordofthestreams210]

EA PGA tour and PGA2k23 are a lot like comparing Miura irons and Mizuno irons, gotta have both, please take my money faster…

[@formulaic78]

Love the graphics in EA, but performance on PC is awful. I have a 3080 with a decent CPU and even at 1080p there are horrible stutters. I also find the ball physics just doesnt feel right, with balls rolling off greens that don't seem that steep and continuing through thicker cuts.

[@Kilbride10]

Well said. 2k feels like a much smoother game. Unfortunately significantly lacking in graphics

[@formulaic78]

@@Kilbride10 Yeah, EA PGA appears to be a thing of beauty. But once you get up close you see the cracks. Hence why I refunded.

[@richmahogany1710]

how do you spin on sim mode in ea pga?

[@Kilbride10]

Spin is added by increasing loft. It is not as clear as in 2k but essentially thats how you would do it.

[@richmahogany1710]

@@Kilbride10 So I guess it's more like real life where you can't just spin anything, it's a consequence of hitting a wedge or low iron higher up in the air. I guess if you did a draw or fade it would add a little side spin too.

[@coachanderson2704]

The putting line up sucks, the worst I have ever seen in a golf game, I been playing since 2004 all the TW and others! Very bad putting lineup, the line comes up the first thing when you at the green cam. Then when you try to line up, it's off like 2 to 8 inches all the time! It sucks really bad! I hate it so much, I throw my mouse in the water,...(I mean my putter!) LOL!

[@Kilbride10]

Putting on EA feels terrible to me as well

[@dannyrand1733]

The game looks phenomenal graphically. 5x better looking than 2k23 golf game. However, EA golf coming out at 30fps is ridiculous. Too damn slow for full swings, putts, chips, etc. They made this game EXCLUSIVELY for next gen consoles. And for them to come out at 30fps I feel like they are holding back. Why? This is a freakin next gen game!!!!!!!! Until this game comes out at 60fps I will hold off from buying it until then. Btw, I played the 10hr EA Play trial version, so I speak from experience.

[@Kilbride10]

Very well said. I think you’re apart of a large group that is thoroughly disgusted that it’s 30fps. While they made the leap to next gen 3 fps is basically a step backwards even with 8 years of no game development. I’m hopeful they will have an update to bump to 60🤞

[@time2shinex707]

The reason is they want people like you to upgrade and buy a PS5 or XBOX s no excuse to be playing on a ps4 in 2023.Forget about 60 fps if you cannot afford to upgrade your console stick to 2k23 60 fps

[@penknight8532]

5 Times Better??? Not on my PC... 2k23 looks amazing in Ultra Settings and 240hz gaming monitor.

[@steviewonder2492]

Great summary. For me personally, what bothers me the most are the short game swing mechanics. The fact that the posture, stance, club face rotation etc does not change for a chip shot, flop shot, bunker shot etc from the regular swing is a huge draw back. Less important, but hopefully they fix are glitches with music, stars in challenges and some of the commentary. Also the over exaggerated celebrations are weird. The player celebrate a normal drive into the fairway as if they just made the winning put at a major. Otherwise, I love this game and really looking forward to the improvements and additional courses.

[@Kilbride10]

All very good points and as for the short game. I find the animations/stances super bothersome too with how unrealistic it is. all things things that can and hopefully will be improved

[@steviewonder2492]

@@Kilbride10 do you think they would bring out an improvement to swing mechanics for this game? I have no idea how games are developed but I imagine it might be to big of a change to ask for

[@Kilbride10]

@@steviewonder2492 I would think that visual updates are much more likely and practical than overhauling the mechanics. Both are definitely possible. Based on the multi year game cycle I am optimistic that they have dedicated development hours on improving the current game. 🤞

[@perm1730]

is it 30fps even on PC?

[@Kilbride10]

Pc should have 60fps however I heard mixed reviews on how it runs overall on pc

[@DallasRabot]

The winner is EA Sports Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2009. The rest are just inferior.

[@midisong]

Stats and replays 😢😢😢

[@Kilbride10]

They for sure need work

[@midisong]

@@Kilbride10 yup - waiting for all that 60fps - replays and stats. I do have to say that it visually looks stunning. But as far as gameplay for me? 2K 23 is still where it’s at. The multiple camera angles. The massive amount of stats and world stats. The endless amount of fantasy courses. The replayability is not even comparable. But that’s just me. Also when I get on my T-shot on 2K 23 I get nervous. For me it’s a big challenge on master mode which I love. But ETA? I must hit 98% of the fairways with my eyes closed on the hardest difficulty

[@Kilbride10]

@@midisong off the tee in EA is so mindless. Couldn’t agree more. Hoping we see some additional updates improving all of these inefficiencies

[@midisong]

@@Kilbride10 Also I wanted to ask you. I played about eight hours of the 10 hour demo and I put it down. Waiting to see if the 60 frames per second and all the other things they add will help with my last two hours before making a decision. My question is this. On 2K 23 your second shot and the way it is on the terrain on a slight angle or a hill definitely makes a difference in the outcome of the shot. Do you find that it makes a huge difference in EA sports? Because I just can’t tell man

[@Kilbride10]

@@midisong no it is drastically different. In 2k your lie alters the outcome of the shot significantly, and in my opinion, is a much more Accurate depiction of how a real life shot will play. In EA, any sidehill, uphill or downhill lie seems virtually nonexistent.

[@Luebke2773]

Career way to easy. They must adjust ai difficulty

[@Kilbride10]

Definitely some super easy components to the game. Once you level up your character you start to lap the field

[@wout123100]

i find EA too much canned somehow, too much hollywood stuff too. to me it seems more aimed at the casual golfer. still good to have these courses in great graphics. but having played them all several times....uh uh back to 2k23, i have a backlog of several 100 !! yet to be played courses.

[@Kilbride10]

Yes. That is 2ks biggest strength for sure. On top of that in recent months they appear to be adding more and more assets for their designer mode which in turn should only help increase the interest and creativity of designers. EAs biggest strength is having those official course licenses which will grab the attention of the casual player as they are likely unaware of the replicas in 2k

[@Lawry200]

Con 2k is better