Prosper vs Galea vs Sefris vs Vrondiss Precon EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

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[@QMTG]

Sweet! Really liking these decks. We're playing upgraded versions soon :)

[@MTGMuddstah]

I look forward to seeing that!

[@williammartin4636]

Can't split the mana on apex. It's ten of 1 color. Understandable missplay though I did it more than once before someone corrected me.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Thanks! I appreciate you pointing that out.

[@williammartin4636]

@@MTGMuddstah yeah of course. :)

[@stevenvensel2094]

That turn 2 “I just play a swamp” killed me

[@KingYeezzusdcuo]

That killed me too 🤣

[@devthedragon]

10:00 The Chaos Channeler wouldn't be exiled by Bag of Devouring since Bag is a triggered ability and that wouldn't go onto the stack until Danse Macabre finishes resolving.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Oh cool! So we did it right then.

[@jackinthebox1993]

I've got to say, I love the voiceover in these videos as well as the melodic music that's playing in the background

[@2099arashiko]

Liked this more than the command zone video because we got to see the venturing and dice rolling. Thank you for the spicey game.

[@apophis456]

Game knights is just a glorified commercial at this point

[@itzmimz8238]

We played these straight out of the box and Vrondiss completely dominated. Sefris seemed to be the most fun, and Prosper consistently generated insane value, but straight from the box there aren’t any impactful payoffs for all the mana and card advantage Prosper generates. Since combat damage was all that mattered in the end, all Vondriss needed to do was drop a chunky creature from time to time. Even just casting Vondriss was enough to keep us in check. Fully upgraded though, Prosper would be my number 1 pick

[@samuelurias6015]

Nice video. You should do an episode with upgraded versions of the decks

[@TheBalogna7]

Great content as always! Definitely agree that Prosper is the strongest deck, though the Bant one is a close second from what I've seen. Either way, I am torn between Prosper or Kalain for a Rakdos treasure deck. Both look super fun.

[@ectoBiologist21]

I think Kalain would fit better in the 99. Prosper just has to much value baked in to not want him in the CZ.

[@pedro.tan2]

Unfortunately, Sefris doesn't trigger when she goes to the graveyard or when she dies at the same time as other creatures. This is very unintuitive, but it's because her trigger is "whenever ... is put ... from anywhere". These types of triggers never "look back in time" to consider the game state and check if the trigger should go off when cards leave the battlefield (CR603.6c). A judge explains it better here kzbin.info/www/bejne/eITImZKcf9ODfJo

[@BadCookies1234]

Thanks for the extra game, MTGMUDDSTAH! Much appreciated.

[@Tirvops]

I love the content, the matches are always fun, and then end when Trevor combis off (playing Meren obviously). Also I love that you play the deck you previewed

[@Eldrad235]

First person to post a video with the new decks Thank you!

[@TheBalogna7]

The Star City Games Commander Vs series did a game with the new decks earlier this week if you are look for more instances of seeing them played.

[@myhairismessy3363]

At 6:59, Sefris cannot see creatures dying at the same time as herself. Triggered abilities worded as "when a creature dies" are zone-change abilities, and can look back in time (603.10a). Sefris's ability is worded different, and is not part of the triggers that look back in time (listed at 603.10a to 603.10g). An example is having Obliterate resolve while you control The Gitrog Monster and some lands. Gitfrog will not trigger for those lands because its trigger does not look back in time.

[@Forgotmytea]

8:07 Can I ask why you ventured into the dungeon here? Sefris only triggers off cards hitting your graveyard. Interested to know if I missed something, I've been playing Sefris myself and really enjoying her 🙂

[@JD-gk7eh]

I was wondering about this as well.

[@zachw4947]

Good call

[@TheMetal747]

I had to go re-read her cause I was just as confused 😅

[@knightfromlordran]

What a flavor win to make the music Danse Macabre while Danse Macabre is played in game

[@jessejames1520]

why was there a venture trigger at around 8:05? I am very confused

[@towelociraptor]

Ngl hearing danse macabre in the background on so many videos was part of what drew me to this channel

[@DakingofAP]

@ 8:00 Sefris only triggers for your creatures dying?

[@Tirvops]

Only triggers when creatures go to your graveyard

[@MTGMuddstah]

Good catch! I misread it.

[@ddurst1]

watching the game, i think your misunderstanding how Sefris works. it only works on your own non-token creatures and it doesn't see itself die. that said, game looked like a lot of fun. Best precon environment i've ever seen.

[@eggjones6039]

nah it would specify “other creatures” non token creatures”

[@ddurst1]

@@eggjones6039 well I talked to a judge about it, he said because of the wording "from anywhere" Sefris needs to be on the Battlefield for the trigger to go off

[@Y0kAiS]

That pouch card is what realy balanced out the curve for the table. If Max didn’t play that card who would have known how scary he might have been later in the game. 💁🏾‍♂️

[@MTGMuddstah]

I'm a big fan of the purse!

[@1234573332]

Power level wise I would say the Gruul precon is perhaps the strongest one there with the fact it has stuff like Dragon Hoard and a way to make creatures on a whim with rolling dice. The fact we didn't get to see Sefris at all do much the entire game is sad since I am a fan of Esper commanders, it seems like one of those commanders you wanna build a custom deck for.

[@MTGMuddstah]

We talked about it at the table, which sadly the audio was cut for, but we all agreed that Sefris seems like the deck that wants the most from the standard AFR set. As it was, the few Venture cards in it were just not enough.

[@ectoBiologist21]

Nah I think Prosper is far and away the strongest. Probably the strongest precon commander since Anje, which is ironic because both are Rakdos and extremely value based.

[@BrutalDavy]

@@ectoBiologist21 remember kalamax

[@ectoBiologist21]

@@BrutalDavy kalamax is good too. personally think Anje was stronger than him but he was good.

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

I think the prosper deck will only be 'the strongest' when he is on the field. Without him on the field, the deck is severly hampered. While Gruul does not really care about the commander tbh. Gruul will always hit hard no matter what commander you are gonna use. In this precon it is the same. You get plenty of power on the board and every beast is a threat. About Anje, y she is a beast when it comes to value! I upgraded that precon only by a tiny bit, and it can go off pretty hard due to the card advantage...my all star in that deck was Sire of Insanity XD Put it in for shits 'n giggles but it kept everyone from doing anything :p

[@Kef_09]

around minute 13 when Martin cast 3 equipment's, it is not clear from where he cast those because if he casted the spear from his hand he can't attach those .

[@magickmaker8063]

I dont think he could destroy robe of stars. The creature and the things attached to the creature are phased out right now. Meaning they are not on the field for him to target until your next turn.

[@MTGMuddstah]

He responds to the first Phasing trigger before it resolved.

[@mystio1]

Muddstah with the Ghost reference *chef kiss*

[@MTGMuddstah]

Haha, did I?

[@Loremaster85]

@@MTGMuddstah Ya, the Danse Macabre comment about it also being a great song. You just kinda snuck it in there like we wouldn't notice.

[@MTGMuddstah]

@@Loremaster85 It's also a classical song that I jam into a lot of games.

[@ingolf82]

really looking forward to sleeving up my Vrondis deck this weekend. it is still in the precon package because I've been waiting for my local vendor friend to get 100+ card deck boxes as I'm out of boxes for my decks. but finally got a hold of deck boxes so I'm looking forward to playing my Vrondiss deck which I budget upgraded according to the command zone video :) (about 30 bucks or so extra)

[@QwaC]

I'm so disappointed in myself that the first card that really got my attention was the new art for commander sphere.....ill leave now

[@villain558]

Honestly the only deck that had me hyped was vrondiss

[@iamthefinal5934]

Enjoy dance macbre, but I love Square hammer.

[@PhazonOmega]

That was pretty sweet! Loved seeing an Apex of Power go off, and how every-- almost everyone's deck was able to do its thing! My favorite is Prosper, and I'm looking forward to doing shenanigans with him and Karazakar. I have so many ideas with what to do with the deck, I don't know where to start! Prosper or Karazakar as the commander? Knowledge Pool and Omen Machine for value? Death Tyrant into a zombie deck to combo with Tombstone Stairwell? Use Karazakar in a Queen Marchesa politics deck?

[@bachus9852]

9:25 Yes it is a good song. would have loved that you changed it when the card is played.

[@kanvaros4451]

Wowow a Friday video !!!!!!!!! The goblins must’ve hijacked the channel ! Thank you goblin bros !

[@gypsieking3280]

Thanks for doing this. It was a great game to watch.

[@hwud4l]

Sefris only triggers when creatures are put into YOUR graveyard. You were doing it when other creatures were put into graveyards.

[@amingsus5831]

Slight misplay that I don’t think affected the game but apex of power can only add mana of one color

[@MTGMuddstah]

Darn! My best guess is he probably would have just picked black mana then.

[@TheStan690]

Awesome game! Love seeing the gruul!! It’s the one I picked up and am most excited to play !!!

[@rteishe]

Andrew's a Ghost fan, hell yeah 🤟 haha

[@dylanhead3205]

When max cast apex of power he could’ve only added 10 mana of any one color so he couldn’t have added a 5/5 split

[@MTGMuddstah]

Ah! He probably would have just rolled with black mana then.

[@anthonyb8912]

i saw the same thing but he only spent it on black spells so it didnt really matter

[@dylanhead3205]

@@anthonyb8912 that’s true I was mainly pointing it out so other people didn’t make the mistake with the card

[@teaganhudak290]

9:19 is that a Ghost reference??? Lmao nice

[@migsterman67]

At 11:37 is Andrew in two rooms of the same dungeon simultaneously? I believe you have to complete one before starting another, even if it is the same dungeon

[@A3Nargi]

Another player had ventured into a dungeon. I believe Max picked the same dungeon, so they just used different dice to represent on 1 card.

[@migsterman67]

Armando Nargi; thanks for the clarification, I must have missed that! Greetings from the UK

[@tylerkister4628]

Like muddstah I also picked the dungeon deck first however I'm definitely trying to find the rg one

[@maurogalbiati4681]

Apex of Power gives only 1 color. Sefris activation Is only on your creatures. Galea should be goaded and cant attack Max?

[@MTGMuddstah]

The Apex was a whoops, but Max would have named black if we'd read it correctly. He only played black spells really. Sefris again was my lack of reading. Galea phased out and was not affected by Goad.

[@maurogalbiati4681]

@@MTGMuddstah Just rewatched. yes, nothing would have changed the result. Always need some time to learn how to play new deck. ;)

[@MTGMuddstah]

@@maurogalbiati4681 100% agree. New decks + haven't played in person for a long, long, long, long time = rusty MTG players.

[@I8venison]

5:15 Shouldn't Nick have rolled twice when activating the pouch in response to acidic slime? getting him 2 tokens from his commander?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Vrondiss doesn’t care how many dice you roll sadly. The Barbarian class adds another die to the roll, not a separate roll iirc?

[@macurvello]

MTG Muddstah you are correct

[@eggjones6039]

Sefris is my fav out of em all. I got her to go off by lightning greaves on sun titan and nothing would stay dead. Currently Upgrading. This deck is real fun

[@thrashermaster4656]

Plan on picking this one up soon I know it’s a little late but got any tips on upgrading it

[@thrashermaster4656]

Personally she’s my favorite of plan on making her about venturing into the dungeon and cheating big creatures into play with graveyard recursion

[@Sinfamous81]

Lol Mike had to go quick. He was gaining so much advantage so quickly

[@derock55]

Love the castle playmat! Where can I find it?

[@thesadseal2electricboogalo597]

9:21 Ayyyyyyy my man listens to Ghost :D

[@alexutley3207]

Shouldn't Max have rebounded the Consuming Vapors on his Turn 8?

[@stevenshafer2817]

Rebound only triggers if cast from hand

[@alexutley3207]

@@stevenshafer2817 ah, reading...

[@Abraktil]

the gruul deck was a surprise for me

[@novaltryajunda8323]

Ah yes galea the unlimited equipment works deck

[@davidtuffelli-rail2214]

Good game to watch! Did max miss the rebound on consuming vapors? Edit: wasnt cast from hand, so no rebound, got it 😁

[@MTGMuddstah]

Rebound only triggers if cast from hand. Consuming was from exile.

[@jorochimaru]

Apex of power only allows you to make one color choice, not a split

[@gxantor]

Sefris with cycling is really neat.

[@yichong777]

Did Max forget the rebound triggers?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Rebound only triggers if cast from hand. Consume was from exile.

[@yichong777]

@@MTGMuddstah ah I completely missed that. Rebound isn't as good as I thought for Prosper then 😅

[@faerie7dragon]

The Gruul deck looks badass. *Smash*

[@marzero116]

how does robe of starts get destroyed if it was phased out.

[@Rabbit3]

Cool decks 👍

[@TabooX1984]

Regarding 1:09 Yes. Thanks "Red Dragon" and "Multizone" You guys are awesome for encouraging these new precons to be showcased on this channel 👍👍👍

[@joestaks9395]

@6:58 board wipe. Sefris won't trigger. She does not see other creatures that died with her.

[@Aang139]

She does see them. they were all on the battlefield before going to the graveyard. So she sees them dying

[@DominoEFX]

@@Aang139 Actually he is correct. Because Sefris has a "from anywhere" Trigger, it is not a leaves-the-battlefield ability, It does not "look back" to before the event of something leaving the battlefield (ie. dying). So, the only way Sefris triggers for something that dies, is if Sefris is still on the Battlefield after that creature had died. Which cannot happen is Sefris is the thing that had died or was included in the board wipe.

[@lefiadhi2717]

did disrupt decourum goad galea??

[@ConfidenceConnect]

Awesome video

[@pathkeepers]

Thumbs up for pronouncing “macabre” properly.

[@NoGloveNoLove32]

Three videos in one week, is it already December?

[@stefanstewart9079]

Missed a couple vrondriss triggers

[@igolark]

At 14:30 i didn t understand how the destroyed artefact counter the phase out of the creature. Is it an error?

[@MTGMuddstah]

It didn’t counter the phasing activation, Max did it to prevent future phasing. My narrative may have been unclear, sorry!

[@dess8815]

I want a galea she looks so beautiful and is a monster to deal with

[@antonchichona6700]

8:06 why did andrew get a venture trigger?

[@michaelmarinas8006]

I dont think you should’ve gone an adventure? To make a treasure at the 8:12min mark. Unless I missed something. Cause it’s only your creatures going to the bun

[@MTGMuddstah]

You are correct! I got a bit too excited to venture into the dungeon, haha.

[@michaelmarinas8006]

@@MTGMuddstah overall loved the game and always love your content

[@anthonybrainwood8015]

Could you do a Minn Wily Illusionist with serpent, octopus, leviathan, and kraken theme to it next or in the future please.

[@anthonybrainwood8015]

Or illusion triblal

[@zachariahtate3732]

I wanna build illusion tribal with her so badly

[@admiralJONK]

oh my gosh sefris is not good - the other decks are sweet though, especially prosper

[@ectoBiologist21]

Wut? Sefris is a great reanimator commander. Her precon is indeed poop though, needs major changes.

[@montanax8127]

Sefris is super strong after you upgrade it to 48+ creatures, cycling subtheme and good reanimation targets. You need to build the deck so you can put something in the graveyard each turn. The precon sucks though.

[@zacheryredden5417]

She’s great. The precon is missing some tools but she’s pretty fantastic.

[@admiralJONK]

@@zacheryredden5417 glad to hear she's strong!

[@ChefBoyarBlump]

Honestly the rolling dice thing is not for me

[@markwilliams6008]

Any chance you have link to the deck lists?

[@macurvello]

They are unupgraded precons, you can just search for the precon lists =)

[@xOptoger]

6:57 Did Prosper Not die or did he just recast with the treasure?

[@MTGMuddstah]

He recast them with treasures

[@rabidpickleosrs2995]

The main reason Prosper is so strong is because treasure tokens are stupid. Treasure tokens are in my opinion, the worst thing to happen to magic since they came out. They entirely devalue mana costs and make for really oppressive games when one player is just generating ridiculous amount of free mana.

[@garrettmunyer3017]

That missed rebound though...

[@DarkX64]

Rebound only triggers if you cast the spell from your hand, reminder text says so.

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

Man I rly want that rakdos precon XD. If it wasn't for me having 2 dragon edh decks already, I would have bought the gruul deck as well

[@AidanWR]

I feel like Sefris really struggles without green. No ramp or ways to interact with the graveyard, without just chucking stuff in their, really hinders a graveyard decks gameplans

[@macurvello]

I don't get it. You're saying you need green for graveyard interaction even though you have access to black? About ramping, sure green would help, but they've put some nice artifact ramp considering this is a precon. Signets, amulets, arcane signet, etc.

[@pitch14seismic]

Bruh this is fast

[@mckenziestone3302]

Wouldn't rolling the extra dice from barbarian class let vrondiss do another damage to himself since he just says "when you roll a die"

[@macurvello]

"Whenever you roll one OR MORE dice..." 😉

[@nickbond9526]

Dragon big

[@bernardorico8927]

Damn, I got very lost in this game.

[@SuperCred1t]

For some reason everyone going balls deep hard on Max was pretty unfun

[@wolffang7877]

man everyone was going after max, :c

[@Kazz1187]

ay yo!

[@DarkX64]

Somethings: 20:28 your mic messes up super bad, get that looked at. Apex of Power generates mana of ONE color. Sefris triggers when creatures go to YOUR graveyard. Not reading cards or playing the rules right is the only time it is difficult to watch your videos, keep an eye on it please and thank you

[@MTGMuddstah]

Hi there! Thank you for the comment. The audio issue unfortunately was not on my end. It seems to have been an issue with the upload. The issues are regrettable, but not game breaking. Some of the issues may have also been my narrative misunderstanding due to the music blasting in the shop and my trying to remember the game.

[@apophis456]

Magic the gathering is a game that not even a super computer can play properly, it’s understandable that players make mistakes. It’s not the end of the world.

[@spencer5804]

I mean, you didn't pay anything to watch, and the cards are brand brand new... no offense, but you could just enjoy watching and be more flexible with the free content? And if you don't want to, then just... Don't?