DeWalt Atomic Reciprocating Saw vs Milwaukee M18 FUEL Hackzall | Thursday Throwdown

[@scott53507]

I’m a service plumber and for me its all about getting the job done right as fast as I can and on to the next job. So speed, performance and warranty are what matters. Milwaukee gets it done.

[@charliealec3413]

Instablaster

[@jonothandoeser]

I feel the need... the need for SPEED!

[@cashisgreen6383]

Fast but definitely effective

[@engjds]

If you get paid by the hour Dewalt, if you get paid by the job, milwaukee. Dewalt engineers should be ashamed, if I were their manager I would be kicking their ass. Also its very clear on the Milwaukee platform there are 2 types M12 nd M18, but the Dewalt battery ranges seem very convoluted.

[@TheWiery322]

Dude I definitely agree with this saw Milwaukee takes the cake. Only thing that keeps me from getting Milwaukee is their use of slave camps in xin xang China to make their tools. Can’t support that my guy. Dewalt makes the majority of their things right here in America.

[@yogeshshrama9739]

Finally got my tree branches cut using my new saw kzbin.infoUgkx84IcU5pbZd1Qrz8u4-YRLmJax7kdRi7B , and it was effortless. Then tackled taking pallets apart by just cutting through the nails. Zip Zip, like butter, took no time at all! Absolutely love that you just push a button to change the blade, so quick and easy. I chose cordless because of all the outside projects I need to do, and most are too far to extend an extension cord to. Incredibly lightweight, and easy to handle. I will be using this all the time. There is a reason they call them Sawzalls , because they literally saw all the things you need cut. Once you buy one you'll kick yourself for not doing it sooner ~ Just make sure and buy the right blades for the job you want to tackle. The blades are not expensive, and there are lots of various multi-packs available.

[@Chris-xe8hi]

Watching how crooked you cut PVC will keep me up at night.

[@Peep18m]

Chris Poole you’re not kidding holy shit 😂😂

[@mastermetalshredder]

@@Protoolreviews You're doing it all wrong, you're supposed to turn the tool around and cut towards your body. I like to use my leg or fingers as a backer while cutting

[@conqwiztadore2213]

@@mastermetalshredder hell no you always cut away from you peroid

[@mastermetalshredder]

Conqwiztadore22 no man, you have to cut towards/into your body. This goes for circular saws as well..

[@ricksutter8647]

Also shouldn't be the fuel should be the regular milwaukee

[@orijimi]

It only took two tries for you guys to fricking NAIL this format. It's amazing. The perfect balance of off-the-cuff and well-considered that no one else has ever quite managed.

[@michaelc7283]

Hi guys, I use both cordless tool line (milwaukee and dewalt). For me I can't justify being only on one brand because each company has a tool better then the other. Also with purchasing kits today you will always get enough batteries. In this comparison milwaukee wins. I have the milwaukee m18 hackzall and it's great. This is Dewalt first handsaw for the (atomic) line. Still a good tool for small projects. Hopefully in their next version it will be better for their regular 20v tool line. Just as powerful like the milwaukee m18 hackzall. Remember everyone this is milwaukee second generation to get it right on both the m18 & m12 models. Thanks for the video

[@muscleman369]

Ditto. Best of both worlds. Shout out too DeWaukee!

[@satchmodog2]

I agree. I'm in Milwaukee, Bosch and Makita cordless and if I find a DeWalt tool that suits me best I'll buy it. Most of my cordless tools happen to be Milwaukee, but I'm ok with running different batteries.

[@gtzmwt]

I also fall in this category. I own both brands because they both have something great to offer. Depending on my task at hand, I choose accordingly. I'm an electrician; I do the same with hand tools.

[@BreathEmpowerment]

​@@gtzmwtthe cool thing about the Dewalt 3 speed impact is the low setting only goes to hand tight, meaning you can use it on even Square D panel screws without stripping them. I also like how I can pop a bit in without having to move the holder. It's lighter too, and the high setting will cover anything you don't need a real impact wrench for

[@coralreefer23]

I like the way dewalt feels and get cleaner more precised cuts on finished surfaces, plus i can get in tighter places. Makes a difference carrying a lb more all day. If i want a bigger, faster saw, I grab one. Use the right tool for the job. Ill grab a full size milwaukee for a fast rough in job.

[@Sparkystacoma]

Thank you hugely for lowering the volume right before the cut

[@nestormoctezuma4695]

There is no contest, if you need to get work done get the Milwaukee. BTW most of my tools are yellow.

[@7rueop1n1on5]

😂

[@xenonram]

@@nestormoctezuma4695 what does that have to do with lowering the volume before the cut?

[@IndependentThinker74]

I really like this "Thursday Throwdown" feature you are doing. I think it will catch on and really help your channel in the long run.

[@tburrows357]

So yes you weighted both equally the Milwaukee is 1 lb extra and the angle and weight balance puts the weight forward on the cut. The dewalt 90° and straight lines place it more balance weight distribution. The balance doesn’t fatigue the user as much but means less cutting force on the experiment completed here. Equally both great tools.

[@jckdnls9292]

So you're gonna get fatigued cutting a 2 inch pvc pipe ? Lol

[@MaNtIcHoRaOfficial]

Ive used both. My tool box for work is all Milwaukee. But the hackzall is my favorite tool in there. The thing is a absolute beast. Im a residential electrician and it is absolutely perfect for cutting through anything i need

[@djaztec97]

Hey can the M18 cut through rigid conduit or strut? or is it just emt?

[@ReeseDavalos]

@@djaztec97 yes it can cut through all 3. I’ve done it with my coworkers quite a few times. I was finally able to get my own today. Just make sure you get a metal blade and have at it!

[@danc2234]

I've already committed to the Dewalt line but I'm grateful for this review. When I decided to add a cordless recip saw to the collection I wasn't sure whether I wanted the larger or more compact models. I was already leaning towards the atomic because of the belt clip. :-) Now that I see it cuts just fine AND gets into places my corded (Milwaukee) recip saw can't, AND it's of a size my wife would like, cause she's right at home in the shop, I'm sold. The atomic is my next tool.

[@ariip]

As far as I know, all of milwaukee tools can use a belt clip. If it does not come with one, you can add it. You can also buy other aftermarket devices to hold any tool if it does not offer a belt clip. That is a foolish reason to not buy a tool. Also if you need a more compact tool, the m12 will be more compact and light than the dewalt and probably more powerful even. LOL.

[@danc2234]

@@ariip As I said, I use Dewalt. And you're a dick. LOL!

[@matsudakodo]

@@ariip The M12 and Xtreme 12v are a lot closer in performance than these. I have a charger for each, but I will go with DeWalt for the 12v recip because it's overall nicer.

[@altyndom7039]

My company pays me hourly why on earth I want to do my job faster and get paid less.

[@Keegeth]

Facts

[@hungtran02026]

Side hustle?

[@Boojyman]

More time to chill on the job.

[@docholliday45lc3]

Sounds like a dewalt fan trying to justify a loss

[@jckdnls9292]

So you can finish faster and then f off the rest of the time duh

[@tylerfengler2884]

Size and weight = 1 point not 2. Besides features should only count for like half a point. You made it 5 - 5 on purpose so you didn’t have to show favoritism. Milwaukee blows DeWalt away here.

[@xxxxST3xxxx]

I agree, kind of ridiculous point system. A butter knife would technically tie with the Milwaukee if you scored it. :)

[@brettwalkom948]

The end result doesn't matter if really.. You need to look at the results closer and decide what's best for you lightness or power

[@-EVASSIVE]

My first time watching you guys and im already liking the tests better than what i see on the VCG Construction channel. Also subbed

[@tonistarks2874]

VCG are paid from Flex and others under the table...thier so phony and Vince is fukn annoying!

[@ondaslab]

VCG only cares about their one dolla hollas...10 mins before they actually start talking about the product. I'm jumping ship too.

[@P_steez]

@@Protoolreviews I can’t stand VCG anymore

[@engjds]

Its pretty good, VCG is heavily Milwaukee biased, Ave is brilliant though with his teardowns.

[@g8beast679]

Tell me about it. What those guys do at VCG is try to win a showdown,. Race to the finish line. Its always the combination of the tool and the operator.

[@piffdaddy2099]

I have M12 fuel hackzall and as a plumber I find it to be the perfect one handed sawzall. If I need the power and have the space I'll run the regular fuel sawzall. Best of both worlds

[@scottbutler2343]

Bought the M12 Hackzall after watching this last year. As a homeowner, I invested in the 12V Milwaukees instead of 18V...for the smaller size and price. As it turns out, prices on these two tools has plummeted while the 12V has held steady. I assume they fell into that void between DIYers and tradesmen where sales suffered. It doesn't help that the M12 is an overachiever.

[@ggsdude1]

For most jobs for the average person to professional, the m12 really does the job. M18 good to have but most times its overkill unless doing a commerical to industrial type of work, even then youd want to use a corded power tool for the task. M12 is also great portability wise especially if youre bouncing from job to job or different places in the day on the jobsite. A lot of jobsites arent packout/rolling bag friendly so anything to keep the gear light as possible helps

[@scottbutler2343]

@@ggsdude1 I'm assuming DeWalt got the message because since writing this, I've invested in their 20V platform. I actually replaced that M12 sawzall with DeWalt's compact reciprocating saw and got the poll saw and weed trimmer(with the alloy gear head). M12 tools still getting more use though.

[@dannysautorepair]

I'd go with Milwaukee because of the speed, the last thing I need when cutting a bolt is a slow saw.

[@forestbrooks4025]

As a contractor time is money. If you was cutting pipe all day , you would want the Milwaukee

[@visionsdb6695]

Okay mr vcg construction lol

[@kingsteegg]

Thanks for this one. I was in the market for a one handed recip-saw. The price and weight of the DeWalt were very attractive, but at the end of the day these are tools for work. Battery platform isn't a factor. I buy tools that preform and no one company makes the best... everything. If price and weight were my determining factors, I'd be more inclined to get a M12 hackzall. Hd is running a deal currently with a rapid charger and two XC 6 ah batteries for $299. The M18 Fuel Hackzall is one of the free tools you can pick. There are more expensive tools available in the deal, but this is the tool I needed. Thanks again, you made my decision very easy.

[@jonathanbetenbender307]

Dewalt had a stupid good Black Friday sale $300; 6½ circular saw then atomic line (brushless 18v) ocillator, orbital sander, impact, powerdrill, (slow single battery) charger, 2ah & 4ah batteries, and a carry bag. Sadly my drill recently sprung legs and ran away with my 4ah battery and a hole saw.

[@redwhiteblue7831]

Great side by side challenge... put a 6lb weight on the dewalt saw to compare evenly with weight.

[@BreathEmpowerment]

Right 😂

[@robd3061]

Build quality is another important category. I checked out both models out at HD and noticed the M18 Fuel's main shaft is a much larger diameter than the Atomic's. The older, brushed M18 Hackzall's shaft is also larger. Their shoes seemed a bit heavier duty, too. The Milwaukee saws appear better suited for heavy work than the DeWalt, and possibly more durable in the long run. The Atomic is new, so too early to tell for sure. Of course, as you mentioned in the video, the DeWalt's advantage is it's significantly lighter and more compact. That said, the Milwaukee M12 Fuel Hackzall (with a 4ah or 6ah battery) is likely comparable to the 18V Atomic in both size and power. I would choose the M18 Fuel.

[@TheMcdrewb]

Rob D I used fuel m12 sawzall its a beast for its size...a larger ah battery is important I only used 6ah i just completed a hospital and it cut a lot of 1” emt I think the atomic line isn’t heavy duty

[@Paulgeorgiyev]

5:50 so awkward lmao. Was he trying to shake his hand😂

[@supri45]

I used to have DeWalt but ended up giving them to my brother and got myself Milwaukee 😉

[@ThePoxo123]

No one cares about your family deal stupid

[@vasilhrisca5536]

AdrianFromKZbin worst decision! It’s really Chinese tools vs American! Lol genius

[@antislavemindset]

Milwaukee is better quality and they have a wider range of tools that use the same batteries.

[@ramtrucks721]

@@vasilhrisca5536 DeWalt makes tools in China. Genius

[@vasilhrisca5536]

RAM TRUCKS yes, but that’s not what I’m arguing genius! Lol They may make some stuff in China, but most of their products are from Mexico. And they’re the only brand that make and assemble tools here in the states.

[@EmpTy-kf2rq]

You’ll essentially have more vibrations with the Dewalt because you’ll be running it longer as it cuts slower

[@mastermetalshredder]

I see what you mean, it adds up

[@daniellawson5127]

I was thinking the same thing

[@evansmith378]

Emp Ty I never thought of it like that but now that you say it I think Milwaukee should’ve won vibration test

[@scottrule3456]

I have used them both now. The Dewalt is slower, but it is almost vibration free and easy to follow out of position cut lines. Also, the dewalt seems to make a cleaner cut. One more benefit, if you are on a ladder working, the Dewalt wins by the belt hook and the nose hook.

[@llamacebu216]

@@scottrule3456 you can buy and add that piece

[@benjaminbettner620]

Tie breaker durability, drop them till one stops working.

[@laurabrown6809]

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[@hksjoshua]

We all know who will win lol

[@tomoaktree4951]

As these are designed to be more one handed tools for small areas, speed while being important, ergonomics and size are really more important. If a person really wan'ts overall speed, then most people would use a full sized reciprocating saw. I think either saw will be a good choice, with many will choose based on which brand they already have.

[@seabass22]

Yes they are good when you need to cut something one handed or need more control and don’t want your saw ripping straight through something and maybe hitting something important. I just used mine to cut floor out around air duct and vent.

[@joshual2397]

As a service plumber I tend to run Milwaukee (Specialized work) 12v series), Dewalt (Demo Work), and Metabo 18/36v (Impact / Hammer drills). Each have a spot.

[@thethinblueline2444]

That's why I own and use them both! 😅👍 Nice comparison video guys, as always!

[@johnnytarponds9292]

Working outside in a Canadian winter, there is only Fuel. All other batteries are useless in the cold.

[@BreathEmpowerment]

As someone who's worked outside in Alaska, Wyoming, and Colorado winters, I can say this is false

[@ohlawd6198]

I can’t decide….Gonna have to get both. Great review guys👍

[@benbosco5441]

Great video, most likely the first time I've ever subscribed to a channel after one video. Nobody else is making such clear and concise tool reviews, it really makes your channel stick out. Looking forward to watching more.

[@apexcapital1328]

The FUEL is a beast, just cut some huge oak tree branches yesterday and it was not much work.

[@kennyphelps1160]

Why would you put lower grade dewalt line against high end Milwaukee line

[@llamacebu216]

China needs their products pushed

[@yarbo9900]

Why would anyone ever use beef flavored tooth paste designed for Rottweilers? Because it's delicious.

[@johnysilver1853]

Is there no fuel brushless hackzall?

[@mauricesand9416]

That's actually the new and only 20v one handed saw that dewalt has..so they both are in the same line...

[@The__Texican]

Because Dewalt guys like to compare them

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

So basically Milwaukee won all the categories where it matters. Performance and actual cutting use. Lol. I'm 100% into the 18V Makita tools, but I'd take the Milwaukee over Dewalt all day long!

[@gangsterHOTLINE]

I have so many Milwaukee 12/18v tools I've lost track. Makita 18v tools are starting to infiltrate into my inventory and I definitely am enjoying their offerings.

[@gnawrot]

@@gangsterHOTLINE I like Milwaukee cordless tools. Milwaukee tools are solid (good/very good). Makita is consistently delivering good/very good tools.

[@kennyphelps1160]

You’re comparing the waltz compact tools to Milwaukee’s top of the line so yeah I guess if that’s the way you compare things

[@morganroberts1111]

Good review...awkward humour. For me, the Dewalt has the better features. As a gardener, size, weight & ergonomics are just as crucial as power. A fast powerful saw is great for demolition but due to blade heat and vibration is useless for clean straight cuts & longevity. Decent blades are relatively expensive and a saw with 3100+ strokes per minute is going to reduce a good blade to shit in no time at all. When I spend $80 upwards on a blade, I prefer for it to last longer than 10 minutes so I opt for the saw that has the least amount of vibration as well as a stable top end. A saw with long stroke travel & 3100 spm will also cost you money due to the saw continually smashing and bending the tips of your blades into whatever it hits. I use a variety of reciprocating saws for pruning and on general landscaping and construction materials daily. Looking at this review I feel I'll buy the Dewalt and give it a shot... I rate my tools on how they are going to effect me physiologically more than anything else because no matter how great a tool may be, if it has negative effects on my body after using it then it's no go. Vibration + Weight + Electromagnetic Force destroys bone marrow and weakens bone marrow production, it causes bone shock, destroys joint cartilage, severely disrupts the nervous system, creates arthritis, regional numbness as well as organ fatigue. Thanks guys!

[@yorselrus1996]

Some of those stats dont matter if it does not cut the mustard. I dont have a dog in this fight as i own both brands

[@Shmankafy]

I really think the Atomic will appeal to electricians dramatically more than the Hackzall. The Hackzall is a plumbers dream (speaking from experience) the power is always welcome with pipes that are ~ 4" whether it's PVC, ABS or any type of mild steel. Although in the end yes, I am extremely jealous of the belt clip being a Milwaukee invested user.

[@TheMcdrewb]

Peter Shmanka as an electrician the dewalt ergonomics and weight are attractive but I have to drill Tapcons then cut holes in wooden/metal studs and metal enclosures the atomic line is a light duty line of tools....Electricians Rule the Tools...and Milwaukee is the best...however the small dewalt bandsaw is much better than Milwaukee’s m12 bandsaw(which is a bumber)

[@ForeverAGh0st]

I agree about the hackzall being a plumber's dream,it's such a beast. I've cut up to 8" sch 80 cpvc with this thing. It's so strong and light for what its capable of

[@ex8280]

have you tried milwaukee's PVC cutter? smooth cuts on the PVC, but curious how worth it is in real world application.

[@nathanieltarango5941]

I personally love the Milwaukee hacksaw for cutting EMT and Unistrut. I am a commercial Electrician so the hacksaw does everything I need! All my power tools are Milwaukee!

[@calebhosler1940]

I would like to say that Milwaukee also put a “guide” so to say on their plate so whatever way the blade is facing you kind of have an arrow to guide it if trying to make a “precision cut” (as precise as you can with a saw) just something I’ve found out with mine

[@badger0888]

I had predicted M18 to win in terms of speed and power. I'd actually like to see a comparison against the hacksaw M12 Fuel which might be a closer match.

[@jorjdimitrov5076]

Do you think M12 Fuel is better against Dewalt dcs369 18v?

[@badger0888]

@@jorjdimitrov5076 No. Dewalt would most likely come out on top

[@jorjdimitrov5076]

@@badger0888 Are you sure? I think m12 fuel is a little powerful from Dewalt 369..

[@tappedurmom9739]

That dewalt gets so hot 🔥 when you're using it. After 10 minutes of hard use it gets so hot that you can barely keep a top hand on it. The Milwaukee does not have that problem.

[@markymarkau]

In terms of actual performance the Milwaukee kills the DeWalt. It might be more interesting to see the M12 take on the DeWalt

[@robkenney826]

The m12 would still poo on the dewalts 20v

[@chrispuhl6094]

I just made the same comment before I saw yours

[@vovovovan]

Never realized that this is a twin bro channel, good stuff guys!

[@singletracksender9021]

I’m a construction plumber and own both, they really aren’t competitors, the m18 hackzall is far superior because it’s just in a higher class. Dewalt is lighter, smaller and quieter, great for tight spaces. Milwaukee is more powerful and runs longer but in my experience probably won’t last more than a year with daily use. I have thousands worth in both platforms, I’ll probably continue to use the m18 as my daily workhorse.

[@carlosmaldonado2313]

Well ain't that just shitty

[@kennyphelps1160]

Thats because The fuel line is Milwaukee’s top and in the atomic line is not Dewalt top end

[@danielramsden9560]

Wont last more than a year? Jeeze what do you do to your tools. Also if you want small and quiter, the m12 hackzall is a beast. Most of the m12 lineup is. Would like to see the m12 hackzall vs the dewalt atomic.

[@singletracksender9021]

Daniel Ramsden I use them. M12 hackzall is not good dude. It’s not even good for DIYers let alone tradesmen, I’ve had one. Save your money and get something useful.

[@danielramsden9560]

Well i have one and i can say for certain it is in no way shit. I dont think ive had a single m12 tool that was shit. Compared to the 18volt stuff, of course its not as good. But you buy the m12 stuff for its small size.

[@TheAdam2877]

By far the most fair review I have seen on youtube. I will say that while Dewalt has a great name and reputation BUT.... I really think they have gotten lax over the last 5 years and relied on their brand name carry them which tends to happen to most industry leaders. Milwaukee is killing it right now, they have the best price to performance of the two because with Dewalt you are simply paying more for the batteries. They also win in warranty which you would think with a reputation like Dewalt they could extend their warranty to 5 years. I am sure their is more to it than what I am saying but from a consumer looking in Milwaulkee just seems to be taking advantage of a lot of the competition.

[@WhiteWakedNProud]

Did you guys lower the sound or trying to determine who can cut the slowest?

[@hksjoshua]

I wonder if the same blades were used?

[@scjeepHO]

Wow, i'm pretty surprised at the difference. It wasn't even close. What makes it so much faster? is the blade stroke length longer on the M18?

[@robpriv3014]

Yes it is. The Fuel is a monster. Far superior to even the non-Fuel Milwaukee. The Dewalt didn’t have a chance but none of the other one handed sawzalls do either.

[@Crewsy]

Clearly the Milwaukee cuts faster but that is due to its longer blade stroke which should have been an obvious measurable for your test. I think as far as purchasing I would stick with the platform I have over picking between the different features shown here. While I am not heavily invested in DeWalt 20 volt Max tools I do only have one Milwaukee tool and that’s my corded 1/2” hammer drill.

[@vintageswiss9096]

Not to mention the Milwaukee is 33% heavier than the DeWalt.

[@konamanstudio2447]

I got the Milwaukee fuel when I bought my pack out with the Gen 3s I found a very useful for trimming tree branches encountering some steel and I've been very happy with it cuz you want a little weight when you're going through a tree branches C1 little weight when you're using one hand you don't want to push lose your balance are you guys take care Merry Christmas give me the word late have a good New Year cheers with a beer

[@cyraxkkcb2mo10]

I use it to cut tree branches as well. 😝

[@joeaubert7224]

Does the atomic have dual flywheels like the fuel? What's the stroke comparison. Crack them open and compare the guts, what's metal on one and plastic on the other.

[@jamessickmore236]

Dewalt 3.13 lb Milwaukee 4.15 lb to be fair did you add an extra 1lb to the weight plate ?

[@chrispuhl6094]

What about 18v atomic vs m12 fuel Im curious to see if the 18 is any better

[@MrJohnnyjohn23]

If the Atomic is DeWalts "compact" tool, I think you should put it to the test with Milwaukee's M12 Fuel Hackzall. That's their compact tool. It already shows that the M18 is way better in my point but if DeWalt wants to compete in compact, M12 is the test to go with.

[@lauritsenheatingcooling8668]

Although the Dewalt is 20volt vs Milwaukee 18volt. The Milwaukee hackzall is a compact sawzall in the 18volt line.

[@gnawrot]

I have M12 Hackzall and it is compact. No regrets buying it. I can cut with this tool for hours without fatigue.

[@shellcracker18]

@@lauritsenheatingcooling8668 20v is a marketing trick. Dewalt is still technically an 18volt

[@Themeshoots]

Great video. Thanks. Maybe you could add Build Quality as part of your future test criteria. I own both brands as they each have their strengths. That said, while the specs often favor DeWalt, the build quality on many Milwaukee tools is superior. You can hear the difference when you run tools like drills, reciprocating saws, etc.

[@MidwestJunkyardRacing]

Excellent unbiased review. I have both dewalt and Milwaukee cordless tools. Based on this review I'm going Milwaukee

[@stephenmartin7907]

I own and love the Milwaukee, but I am a bit jealous of how the DeWalt can hang on a joist with the way the pivoting guard is designed.

[@cq4fun]

With you on that but I added an extension piece to it with rivets and now iit hangs just the same 😉

[@delliott777]

i wonder if the extra weight of the Milwaukee helped it cut faster?

[@iginiobluevest9259]

Dewalt 1/2" stroked length, Milwaukee 7/8" stroked length

[@scottrule3456]

The Milwakee cuts faster because the stroke is 1/8" longer and runs 200 more rpm. When I use this tool, it is because the full size recip saw won't fit. They are both much better than the M12 Hackzall, which I have 3 of those. Going to purchase the Dewalt based on size and features.

[@Jay-sg2ww]

What model M12 do you have 3 of. Is it the M12 Fuel model or the older non-fuel model. The M12 Fuel is light years better then the older non fuel hackzall. I can see the dewalt being much better than the M12 non Fuel, but I doubt its much better than the M12 Fuel model. The M12 Fuel is 5/8 stroke length, the same as Dewalt, and its 3000 spm which is 200 more than the Dewalt.

[@scottrule3456]

@@Jay-sg2ww I have 2 of the older version and 1 M12 fuel. I got a chance to abuse the Dewalt yesterday on some 1/2" adjustment bolts under an older furnace. The Dewalt kicked ass with a 3ah battery. 6 bolts in great time and no loss of battery like the M12.

[@jckdnls9292]

Woukd be nice to see a close up of the cut edges of the pipes . If one has more vibrations or longer blade stores it might affect the cut, if one cuts faster but then I have to spend more time smoothing out a cut then it's not really saving me the time. If one cuts a bit slower but smoother than that's less time I have to sand/file the edge. Idk maybe something to look at?

[@droneadventure8591]

I work construction in the refineries..... Milwaukee smokes dealt every time!! Actually dewalt burns up!! They are not equal!!

[@SamuraiAtlas]

Honestly I’m invested into Milwaukee even if dewalt would have won I still would have to get Milwaukee because everything else I have is Milwaukee and there’s no reason at all to have 30+ Milwaukee battery’s and around the same amount of chargers and have to buy 1 dewalt battery and charger it would be stupid as heck lol what I’m saying is buy one and stick with the brand it’s stupid to have both brands

[@shaun7156]

I'm a first year apprentice electrician with a lot of my schooling done. I just got the dewalt reciprocating saw. I love it so far. Dewalt hasn't let me down yet. My coworkers use Milwaukee and I like a lot of their stuff. But, Dewalt is my choice as of right now.

[@JoeC92]

Porta band is way more useful I find. 10 years experience and it's all we use at work for any metal cutting. Way cleaner and faster cuts through EMT and rigid

[@derekdugger2321]

A lot of people buy the Black and Decker yellow, thinking they are getting something in the name dewalt. Most of it is no better than the tools they offer as black and decker or porter cable. While some products that they put the Dewalt name on are pretty good, the kit deals are usually lower end tools and batteries. But you got the Dewalt name, should be good? If you bother trying to warranty anything on them, you'll find out why they have a 1 star rating. It's the Black and Decker business way.

[@personperson9591]

Derek Dugger and TTI makes Walmart tools and dirt devil products, both known garbage. That’s a horrible reason to dislike a company, because they have different product lines? I know plenty of people still using their 18v tools from dewalt that hasn’t been around for years. Both are good brands and both make good tools; dewalt does make some lesser too,s under that banner and I agree that’s lame, but I’ve never, ever seen a b&d tool with the same specs as a dewalt tool since they’ve even had a lithium lineup. Porter cable, on a few select, yes, but that’s because the PC wasn’t a bad tool either. And like the demo showed, at this level the spec difference is minor, you’re literally talking about cutting something a second quicker for the “more powerful” tool, rarely would either brand crap out over most basic contractor needs. For example, I have dewalts 20v 1/2 impact which puts out over 700ft pounds of torque, no idea how someone could say that’s b&d grade. There’s so much fanboyism over stupid brands, just get the one that meets your needs at the better price. With any of these tools, either it’ll likely crap out within the return period or it’ll last a long while if cared for, just pay attention within the return period. Counting on an rma or warranty is foolish in an age of corporations not finding customer service matters to a bottom line. I also have rigid tools, lifetime warranty used to be like craftsman’s good ol warranty, slap a broken tool on HD counter and pick out a new one, now it’s a lengthy rma process where you pay shipping as well. Bottom line, some reps you get from any brand are great and make the process a snap, others are shitbags and won’t honor the warranty over technicalities, and unless you sue not much you can do about it. I can find plenty of forums of Milwaukee not honoring warranties as well.

[@CaptBerryman]

You missed the Fuel RedLINK Intelligence technology in the Milwaukee. Also, you missed the fact that there are plastic components in the DeWALT tool, whereas the Milwaukee one all metal components. Drives the price up, but it's longer lasting.

[@gizmo21187]

Great video. However I have a very important question, what is behind that door?

[@jsjizzaone3590]

Great review and great features but I'm not looking at those things as I want to get work done. Its Milwaukee all day.

[@kylecouture1917]

I mean, those 3 points on cutting speed on those materials carry more importance than something like size and weight snd vibration especially when those last 3 are really close and the cutting speeds are drastically different. Vibration weight snd size should all be like .25 of a point.

[@cm19kilo]

Milwaukee blows dewalt out of the water. I wish I never bought any dewalt tools. I'm beyond satisfied with Milwaukee.

[@dyer2cycle]

...the RPM's play a role in cutting performance as well...BTW, I love Lenox blades!....

[@iginiobluevest9259]

Dewalt 1/2" stroked length, Milwaukee 7/8" stroked length

[@michaelSteffler]

Ia that even the xr delwalt or just a brushless?

[@chrisparker2045]

I work in the solar field and although my employers have decided to go with the Milwaukee line of tools there have been multiple instances where I was glad I went with the Dewalt line because without the compactness of the Atomic Reciprocating Saw we wouldn’t have been able to finish the job as hassle free as if I hadn’t been able to bring Dewalt to the table.

[@xXPhIlIeSXx2010]

Technically m12 and atomic 12v are compact but good perspective!

[@flexplumb1]

I have both milwaukee and dewalt cordless tools and the Milwaukee tools are far superior.. the Milwaukee fuel hacksall is the best one handed sawsall I've ever used

[@robertteeter8288]

I love your program. Extremely accurate.

[@billkeeslar59]

What's the runtime on each?

[@LuisGarcia-zi9id]

A little extra weight and faster cutting means you don't hold the tool as much, a clear advantage

[@Gordon_L]

I just bought the atomic mainly to cut tree roots for stump removal as well as pruning other trees using the 5 tpi 9" fleam ground blades. I went with the DeWalt because I have several other tools and batteries and none in the Milwaukee family .

[@yesman3709]

Why hang a weight from the saw? Is this an owner's manual suggestion?

[@rob10424]

Maybe I missed it but why do you have weights on the saws?

[@rob10424]

@@Protoolreviews Great, thanks for the info! Great videos!

[@rylastewart4338]

Was that dewalt turned all the way up bud cuz I do believe I have the same model and there is power settings

[@311CoolGuy]

The Milwaukee cuts faster. That's a given with the longer stroke length. However, if I'm buying a compact tool, it's because I need to fit into tight spaces. I've had the longer strokes be self-defeating when it comes to tight, precise cuts. I do commercial HVAC rough ins, so having clean cuts matters. I prefer the Dewalt personally. Milwaukee would do a good job of replacing a full-size saw with minimal performance loss on a smaller platform, but I buy each tool for a specific reason, and Dewalt still hasn't let me down.

[@shannonsmith4986]

does either have variable speed?

[@lucky-lh8dl]

DO THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME SPEED IN THEIR SPECS WHEN YOU ARE TESTING?

[@sergiotenorio4990]

The speed comes from the hackzalls 7/8 blade stroke vs the dewalts 5/8 stroke. That’s a 1/4 inch more blade movement

[@chrisose]

The extra pound and a quarter in the Milwaukee skews the cutting tests a bit. Not that the Dewalt would have won but the results would have been much closer.

[@andrewjohnson9531]

Good point. Tests with the weight assist to provide uniform down force should be adjusted so each tool has equal total weighed down force. Still love Milwaukee though... :D

[@henrytav]

You guys should have adjusted the weight for the DeWalt for those performance comparison while cutting stuff.

[@JeremyHansen]

I don't agree. As a user, you're likely to put the same amount of force down regardless of how heavy or light the tool is. It's not like you're going to weigh the tool and think that this is 1lb lighter than that tool so I'm going to put an extra pound of force onto it. Fact is, DeWalt was going for a lighter saw at the expense of performance. If you're not already bought into a platform, make the decision on whether you'd rather have performance or lightweight. I'm already in DeWalt's platform, so I would be buying the DeWalt regardless, but I'm still plenty happy with my 20v compact cordless recip saw.

[@The52brandon]

Wouldn't the M18 HO battery be more equivalent to the 20V MAX?

[@fabianlopez4200]

And that’s why my arsenal is all Milwaukee 👍🏼

[@vintageswiss9096]

The M18 is 33% larger and heavier than the Atomic. I understand it might be the closest comparison the brands offer… but it’s still sort of apples to oranges. Would have been interesting if you used 6lbs of weight on the Atomic to compensate for the tool being a full pound lighter. All the cutting tests were going to be skewed to the heavier tool from the beginning; but the tool is made to attempt to be as light and compact as possible.

[@Mike-gz4xn]

Should have swapped the blades out between tests too. What’s the difference between stroke length and Rpms on the two? Also what about a stress test?

[@akaredcrossbow]

Great video! The weight of the tools played a big roll in cutting speed. I would’ve liked to have seen one more pound added to the Dewalt just to see if it made any difference. Stroke distance and speed also play a huge roll in cutting speed.

[@jonathanbetenbender307]

I felt like 5lbs wasn't near enough. Maybe I'm just rough on my tools.

[@vintageswiss9096]

@@jonathanbetenbender307 what he means is that the Milwaukee is 33% heavier just as the tool alone. The m18 is 4lbs vs dewalt at 3lbs. So the Milwaukee had a 1lb Force advantage in every cutting test.

[@jonathanbetenbender307]

@@vintageswiss9096 I understood, but what I was pointing out is that in real life I'd be using more than 5lbs of force. It would be silly to add more weight to the lighter tool, but applying realistic force would make for a comparison that's actually fair. At least a 20lbs weight.

[@johnnyvasquez4605]

Big fan of DeWalt however not a fan of the Atomic line. The Atomic only has a 5/8 cut and the Hackzall has a 7/8 " cut so it will always cut faster..

[@fivespeed3026]

Johnny Vasquez Probably why the Dewalt has less vibration too.

[@huejanus5505]

Fivespeed 302 But less vibration over a longer period = the same amount of vibration.

[@jamessutton3461]

I'm impressed, but I'm already on the 20V system. I'm pretty much the only mostly DeWalt electrician on the job site, though I am thinking about supplementing my gear with Milwaukee power tools in the future.

[@hillbilly174]

The M18 fuel for me. Seams more of a work horse and overall will last longer..

[@bossmanz28]

For dewalt i think its smart that they focused more on compact then power since it is was this saw is designed for. And the fact that dewalt already has a 20v compact recip saw dcs367 that is a hybrid between this hackzall style and full size recip saw that milwaukee doesnt offer

[@nickd8019]

I would love if you also compared it to the Ryobi version.

[@callumpeacock9039]

Another feature on the Milwaukee is that it is water resistant and there is 2 little drain holes for water on the under side of the body which is good for if your cutting into water filled pipes which I don't think the dewalt has

[@Brett_S]

Can the blade be run both directions on these saws like the sawzall? I am looking to get one and this is a feature I will need.

[@lilpbass]

Brett S. Yes

[@phiromtauch6059]

The difference in prices?

[@VancouverTrailShredders]

Just out of curiousity: since the Milwaukee is almost 1lbs heavier than the DeWALT is has an advantage in the weight cut comparison. I'd like to see a test with an added pound to the DeWALT, it wouldn't surprise me that they'll be on par, If that's the case the DeWALT will be a clear winner ;)

[@xXPhIlIeSXx2010]

Maybe the 1lb is more power for the motor. Interesting pov

[@weldonpinder7295]

You have a good point but i doubt it. I believe it would be a closer match but not to beat the Milwaukee

[@tkennedy]

they are trying to account for differences in forces applied to the tool, not make weights of the tools equal.

[@mattcable4340]

IMHO, there are very few situations with this kind of tool where ergonomics would take precedence over performance. Do I really need a reciprocating saw to be a sweetheart? I want to get to the end of the cut ASAP with the cleanest separation possible which is definitely velocity related.

[@powersmokin02]

The hackzall is my favorite tool of all time. I actually prefer the first model over the fuel version