Prove Jesus Is God to a Jehovah’s Witness-With a Napkin

[@tdbc3377]

Jesus is God.

[@MetroMan13]

Real

[@WolfTheGhost3775]

Amen

[@HasanRony-wv3xd]

Allah made all people finger print for judgement day and rebirth purposes mention in quran sura kiyamat read it..............quran memories in head by millions hafiz people since the beginning of quran like pendrive system so no one can change or rewrite quran

[@MatteoGodlover]

​@@HasanRony-wv3xd Do you just sit watching the computer until Testify uploads?

[@andrevisser7542]

​@@HasanRony-wv3xd, so either Jesus is ur a lla h or ur a lla h is not the Creator.

[@nicbentulan]

God bless you Testify 1 decade later i can finally counter argue my Jehovah's Witness, Muslim and Mormon friends in the Philippines !

[@paulandreig.sahagun34]

Not just them, but also for the INC, they're basically the Arian heretics.

[@nicbentulan]

@@paulandreig.sahagun34 oh yeah thanks even Apollo Quiboloy but I haven't met anyone who follows Iglesia ni Cristo or Apollo Quiboloy. Is Wesley So dating Carissa Yip?

[@paulandreig.sahagun34]

@@nicbentulan Yeah, they're abundantly spreading here in the Philippines and Apologetics of Quiboloy are just small, but bruh they're tenaciously faithful for him. And I don't know, I don't play Chess....

[@Smart_guy_d8z]

Muslims believe that Bible has been corrupted so it's not gonna work

[@berkesrobert3616]

Finally counter them to boost your ego, instead of finding the truth, eh? Meet a Unitarian Christian: 1. One God, the Father ONLY. Jesus said: "OUR father who art in heaven", not “US, your 3 in 1 gods in heaven, hallowed be OUR name”. Think about it please. (He is a Son of God in a sense as all christians, yet set above all By the Father) He didn't pray to himself, he didn't call himself good, he said the Father is greater than I, not equal. He did NOT call Peter a Holy Father Pope. He didn’t keep Sabbath on Roman pagans’ Sunday. The Pharisees thought born again was literal. Don’t make their mistake. Adam + Eve = One, is literal? Would you bet heaven and your salvation on the contradictory trinity? Why not just say you are unsure and leave it out? "Do not add to the Bible", "Do not mislead children”. (Father created Jesus’ Y chromosome as a miracle, Mary gave the X. Unique. Adam was created from scratch like the universe.)

[@419]

From personal experience, it doesn't matter how airtight your argument is, most people HATE being corrected. I've spent hours debating JWs and learned that the hard way. I highly recommend reading Tactics by Greg Koukl on how to evangelize. Most people are incredibly stubborn. Meditate on James 3:17 and Galatians 5:22-23, and learn to apply it in every day conversation. Also ask questions to try and lead them to the conclusion you want, and actually listen to what they're saying.

[@rphb5870]

indeed. you can't convince people that they are wrong using logic, especially if it is a deeply held religious belief. That will only make their faith stronger. Robert Cialdini explains that in great details in his book "science influence and practice" I highly recommend it. He goes though the 8 different types of manipulation that we get exposed to. By knowing what they are, we can help guard ourselves against them.

[@419]

@@rphb5870 Thanks for the recommendation, I'll read it. Also check out God's Undertaker: Has science buried God? by John Lennox.

[@419]

@@rphb5870 Thanks for the recommendation, I'll read it. Also recommend God's Undertaker - John Lennox.

[@benedictjajo]

​@419 same, I just tell them how it is in the Bible and move on if they refuse to accept the truth. They can theory craft and make their own argument all they want, but not at the expense of my time, I got things to do.

[@shreenybeany1751]

@@419 do you not get the irony? The deeply held religious beliefs also include you

[@Pioneer_DE]

Wait, if they don't believe Jesus is god,wouldn't that make them not Christians?

[@josdos3557]

Because their image of Who God is, is so distorted, all JWs I've met hadn't been born again ( I'm not a newbie in the faith + I have a gift of prophecy so I can distinguish pretty good ). So yes, they're not Christians. A lot of them are really friendly and honest people though.

[@johannthedeceitful5968]

Correct

[@joaogabrielimperial7777]

yes

[@8elementallords]

Yup, you can't be something if you deny or otherwise refuse to accept one of the fundamental aspects that define it. And since one of the foundational doctrines of Christianity since the very beginning is that Jesus is God, if a person or group reject that fundamental premise, then yeah, they're not actually Christian.

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

Exactly. In fact, they fall under the criteria of being classified as a cult (and obviously Heresy).

[@DivineJustice-xl1jw]

This is exactly what happened to Muhammad and Joseph smith these angels are giving these false religions different gospels and trying to deny Jesus being divine! Galaetions 1:8 but even if we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel onto you than the ones we have preached let them be accursed and this what happened to watchtower!

[@nicbentulan]

@@DivineJustice-xl1jw to be fair which Mormon voted democrat in 2024? Or calls for death to Israel?

[@Nickel_Eye]

@@DivineJustice-xl1jw something i’ll never understand is how one can read Galatians 1:8-10 and still so easily fall for the lies of false prophets

[@tezzerii]

Mormons do not deny Jesus' divinity, and no angel preached any gospel to Joseph Smith. The Witnesses started out as a bible study group, I don't know where they got their "divine commission", but it wasn't an angel. You might have a case with Muhammed.

[@truthedministry]

You misrepresent JW's beliefs. They never denied that Jesus is a divine being. Angels are divine beings, and Jesus is the Archangel (literally means chief angel). Jesus doesn't need to be God the Father to be divine. Also, Paul stated that the order of authority is God, then Jesus, then the husband, the wife, and finally their children... If God is Jesus, this order makes no sense.

[@Terrylb285]

@@DivineJustice-xl1jw Paul warned not to be deceived by anyone preaching a different Jesus other than what he was preaching. 2000 years later here comes the watchtower preaching a different Jesus.

[@emmaarrpee9912]

The power of God's word! The Word is power! Alleluia!

[@Bildad1976]

Brilliant logic! Simple and easy!

[@berkesrobert3616]

You like simple logic? Meet a Unitarian Christian: 1. One God, the Father ONLY. Jesus said: "OUR father who art in heaven", not “US, your 3 in 1 gods in heaven, hallowed be OUR name”. Think about it please. (He is a Son of God in a sense as all christians, yet set above all By the Father) He didn't pray to himself, he didn't call himself good, he said the Father is greater than I, not equal. He did NOT call Peter a Holy Father Pope. He didn’t keep Sabbath on Roman pagans’ Sunday. The Pharisees thought born again was literal. Don’t make their mistake. Adam + Eve = One, is literal? Would you bet heaven and your salvation on the contradictory trinity? Why not just say you are unsure and leave it out? "Do not add to the Bible", "Do not mislead children”. (Father created Jesus’ Y chromosome as a miracle, Mary gave the X. Unique. Adam was created from scratch like the universe.)

[@Masyhadi-y2z]

​@@berkesrobert3616you should probably show some verses that show Jesus isn't god but I'll show one verse where Jesus claims that he lacks the knowledge of a god Matthew 24:36 it says there that jesus didn't know the hour therefore he lack the knowledge of an all knowing being

[@kalliopestellatos8594]

@@berkesrobert3616 man you can’t just say words and then expect people to know what you’re talking about. yeah Jesus said “our father” so what? you said He’s a son of God like all Christians, what’s your evidence for that? don’t know why you’re saying “He didn’t pray to Himself” or “He didn’t call Himself good” either. He did say the Father was great than Him, but during the incarnation, Jesus "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." (philippians 2:7-8, kjv). so, He temporarily was made “a little lower than the angels” so He could “taste death for everyone" (hebrews 2:9). basically the Father was greater in glory and exaltation temporarily while Jesus was a man, that’s partly why Jesus said that. (the other part being He was telling His disciples to be happy He was going to see the Father, or in other words, die). i also have no idea why you said the next 3 things. in summary, your comment makes little sense and did absolutely nothing to sway anyone’s opinion. please come back to christianity, God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) loves you and wants you back home

[@JadDragon]

​@@Masyhadi-y2z how many commentaries on this verse have you read?

[@Masyhadi-y2z]

@@JadDragon like idk a debates amount of commenters

[@kalebroberts5518]

These wojaks are my sense of humor. Never thought id see these merge with apologetics but im here for it 😂

[@HartyBiker]

Another slam dunk argument using their translation is to go to Psalm 102:25-27 "You, LORD (Jehovah), have laid the foundations of the earth from the beginning..." and ask them who that is speaking of. They will have to answer that it is speaking of Jehovah (Yahweh). Then, take them into Hebrews 1:8-12, where the writer quotes that text and says that it is speaking about Jesus in verse 10-12. Then ask them who the writer to the Hebrews is talking about, and in context there is no other way to read it than to say that it's talking about Jesus. At that point you probably won't even need to make your argument. They'll probably push back, but their own faulty translation still says that Jesus is Jehovah.

[@vdevernaculo5574]

Testify speedrunning how to counter false religions (any %)

[@JediMasterPhilip]

I love when gaming culture and Apologetics intersect

[@nicbentulan]

4th: Imam Mario Joseph converted to Christianity from this. God created everything through the Word. Jesus is the Word of Allah. - If the Word is creator, then Muslims should become Christians. - If the Word is created, then how did God create the Word? And it makes sense. God created light by saying 'Let there be light.' (Genesis 1:3) So how did God create speech aka THE WORD? John 1:1-3 explains this of course. 1.5 millennia later, the Holy Spirit inspired John to make sense out of Genesis 1:3 !

[@samuelhunter4631]

I got an Jehovah's Witness ad before watching this video 😂

[@Cathrynne]

The recent discovery of approx 1800 years old mosaic in Israel depicting Jesus is God is one of the best physical evidence...

[@PoppinPsinceAD33]

It’s good for extra evidence that shows Christian doctrine has been there since before the council of nicea

[@AlMustaqin]

​@@PoppinPsinceAD33except it happens, you just wanna hear and believe what u wanna hear

[@PoppinPsinceAD33]

@@AlMustaqin huh?

[@419]

John 5:22-23 and Matthew 16:27 make it clear Jesus does all of the judging and the Father judges no one at all. So then who is speaking in Revelation 22:12? Jesus! Which means in Revelation 22:13 Jesus is claiming to be the Alpha and the Omega; a title reserved exclusively for Jehovah/Yahweh. Also Revelation 22:20 proves it is Jesus speaking in Revelation 22:13 too. Use these verses because they have added the word "other" into the NWT in Colossians 1 (which you can actually prove to them using their kingdom interlinear Greek translation). Also see Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 1:8. There can't be two Alpha and Omegas.

[@hermanwooster8944]

To add to that, the phrase "which is, was and is to come" in Revelation 1:8 is also mentioned in Revelation 4:8 in which this Person is called Lord God Almighty!

[@Scott-b6s]

@@hermanwooster8944 Jesus is the Father Revelation 21:7 KJV

[@hermanwooster8944]

@@Scott-b6s There is a deeper complexity in the Bible between the Father and the Son. For example, Jesus saying He and His Father are two witnesses according to the Law instead of one witness. John 8:17-18

[@Scott-b6s]

@@hermanwooster8944 Jesus is not his own Father but takes on the role as Father

[@hermanwooster8944]

@@Scott-b6s I honestly don't know what that means.

[@TheWoodlandSeamstress]

1:12 If the drawing for "you and me" in that picture are those stick figures... are we... holding hands?

[@TestifyApologetics]

👬❤

[@throughtheLOGOS]

​@@TestifyApologeticsdo a video on rev 22 13, answering common objections. Similer to your video on John 10 30.

[@nicbentulan]

​@@throughtheLOGOSwhat do you think of the covenant equation John 13:34 = Leviticus 19:18 + Deuteronomy 6:5? Yahweh never said 'Love one another as I the Lord your God love you' until Yeshua said so. If Jesus isn't God then John 13:34 is still inferior to the hypothetical commandment I gave.

[@Riku_addict]

All I know is that I love God, Jesus, Mary and the Holy Spirit ✝️💜💫

[@andrevisser7542]

What do u mean, Jesus and the Holy Spirit is God?

[@Cadence733]

Mary?

[@Chops_YT]

​@@Cadence733he's probably an orthodox or a Catholic.

[@Samuelrox]

You can love Mary as we love and respect Moses for example, but adoration only belongs to God alone, so why do you place Mary as if she were part of the trinity?

[@JonJones-p9y]

One of these not quite fitting in with the rest

[@C28_Music]

2:28 proof that chess is older than time!

[@desaturatedair]

Jesus Ch(ess)

[@GeoBox-cf3bf]

Tell them there are more than 140,000 JW's and tell them how they know they'll be saved.

[@marvalice3455]

This is not difficult for them. They believe in two different tries of salvation and almost every one you meet believes they are on the second tier

[@debatememe4638]

Thanks! Very timely, I have been debating the trinity for a few weeks with one of their elders and am currently responding to their website article about the Trinity.

[@blank4502]

I think verses 14 and 1 do it quicker... "The Word became flesh" - you could make a case that this is the breath of life for Adam and Eve, but that doesn't make sense because they were created by the word and weren't literally the word after some transformation, thus implying that The Word is Jesus

[@JonnyDoe-k1k]

At the 0:55 mark, you captured my likeness incredibly. Also, when John1 starts out it says: "in the beginning"... Do you think this is the same "beginning" spoken of in Gen1:1? Or a further back "beginning"?

[@iamworstyoutuberngl-en8mq]

always a great day when testify uploads!

[@7F0X7]

Great video, I love the simplicity of the argument. I have one question about what I see in the video. Does it make more sense for Jesus to have long hair or short hair based on what 1 Corinthians 11 says about men with long hair?

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

I guess short Hair

[@7F0X7]

@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 Thanks for your honesty. Then is it possible the original "classical paintings" of Jesus Christ weren't actually done by reverent Christians, but by agents or men influenced by the enemy? If we upheld God's 2nd Commandment to the letter, then we would have no ingrained cultural idea of what Jesus looks like to begin with. If Jesus is God, and he *is,* then the 2nd Commandment applies to him.

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

@7F0X7 No problem, Friend 🙏🏻❤️ The most back in history, that I can think of for the Arts for Jesus is around the 3rd & 4th Century, & almost all did seem to have Jesus with shorter Hair. But I also don't think simply having a picture of Jesus is a sin, but Worshipping that Image, can make it a sin(Exodus 20:5).

[@7F0X7]

@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 I read the full text of the 2nd Commandment as a literal neither/nor rule, and that extends to things above the firmament, things in the earth and the water underneath the earth.

[@darkwolf7740]

Logic and JW are like matter and anti matter. When the 2 collide, chaos ensues!

[@marvalice3455]

​@@MichaelTheophilus906 it's very biblical, and very logical.

[@marvalice3455]

@MichaelTheophilus906 it's not three God's. There is only one divine natural. Who is three people. I'm not going to show you something I believe isn't true. Obviously.

[@JadDragon]

@@MichaelTheophilus906 we don't believe in 3 gods. Try and steel man the Trinity for us please.

[@JadDragon]

@@MichaelTheophilus906 sorry that isn't a steelman argument, please try again.

[@Χριστόδοτος]

​@@MichaelTheophilus906 Creation is space-time, which is the very condition of the multiplicity of the beings in it; God by definition transcends His creation, therefore: 1. the unity of God doesn't resemble the singularity of an individual created object; 2. the unity of the divine essence isn't identical to the unity of a created species; 3. the three divine hypostases aren't three instantiations of the divine essence like three created beings are instantiations of a created essence; 4. the three divine hypostases aren't a multitude (either the sum of three units or the parts of a threefold whole).

[@jiubertomonteiro1461]

Hello Erik, could you make videos about unitarianism as well? I’ve seen videos from unitarians like Dustin Smith, Steven Nemes, Sam Tideman, among others, and there aren’t many videos responding to their arguments.

[@TestifyApologetics]

this argument would still apply. I do have some videos on unitarian arguments, just check my playlist on defending the trinity

[@Bloxicorn]

It doesn't. Unitarians don't believe Jesus created everything like you're arguing. They generally believe Jesus is the Son of God, a perfect *human* without the sin of Adam.

[@KOCChristian]

Just had a friend ask me to join him in JW. I respectfully decline, I glad to see more videos about JW

[@julietabraham476]

Awesome analogy.God bless you brother.😊

[@arkak420]

im watching this like if a JW is actually coming to my door in 10 minutes and i MUST proove him Jesus is God

[@jakejones4801]

Thank you so much for your ministry brother, it has been a help and a great resource for many years now, God bless you and your family, in Jesus’ name!

[@midimusicforever]

Jesus made it all, He is the Creator.

[@moczs]

Guys, I have some questions as a believer. Is God really timeless (not confined by time) or just have the ability to foresee the future ? And if he is indeed timeless, did God created time ? Apologists often say God is not confined by the spacetime continuum. I'm wondering because last time, a guy said that if he were, there would be no "time" where he would have created time because there was no time during that "time". It kind of creates a paradox. Maybe time isn't one of his creations but just a concept like love while still existing.

[@RedeemedMusicanOfGod]

@moczs Yeah, he is timeless based on the paradox. Hope this helps.

[@GogakuOtaku]

Well, I suppose if God is the only thing that was not created, then time would have to be a created thing. Also, why would one necessarily need to exist in time to create time?

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

Peace be with you Friend ❤️ Simply, God, Created Time, at the Beginning. The Beginning of all things, is where time started.

[@moczs]

@@GogakuOtaku I get your point. But if time didn't exist at the moment he created time, was there was no time where God actually created time? Because if you say that God created time, it had to happen at a specific moment. But then, you have to use time in order to locate it. But it didn't exist yet. So... 😵‍💫

[@moczs]

@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 So the Beginning is the where everything starts, except God of course. I kinda get you but it's really hard to conceptualize a world unaffected by time. You know, when God didn't created anything yet.

[@roaringlaughter3812]

Jesus is the son of God he is not god himself. “The father is within me and i am within the father” is the same thing as telling your own son you both have the same blood running through your veins. You are of the same flesh perhaps even of the same heart. But you are both separate entities. Jesus is like God. He has a divine nature. Just like God. They share the same heart of love and forgiveness.

[@Crustyshrimp99]

(john 1:3) " pavnta" / "all things" can also be "some of all types of things" but it isnt absolute its also translated as "all men" in some cases

[@Growmetheus]

Hosea 11:9: “For I am God and not man, The Holy One who is in your midst.” Deut. 6:4: "Listen, O Israel: YHWH our God is one: YHWH." Isaiah 43:10: "'You are my witnesses,' declares YHWH, 'Yes, my servant whom I have chosen (Israel), So that you may know and have faith in me and understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none.'" (Catholics: He was begotten outside of time, and not created. Supporting verse: X)

[@Growmetheus]

What does John call Jesus though? 1:18: “No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. Isaiah 45:5, 6 “I am YHWH (Ani YHWH), and no other (we en owd) Besides me is no (zulati en) God (Elohim). I will strengthen you, although you did not know me. 6 In order that people may know from the rising of the sun to its setting, without end (epes biladay) I am YHWH (ani YHWH) and no other (we en owd).

[@Growmetheus]

Isaiah 45:21 “Make your report, present your case. Let them consult together in unity. Who foretold this long ago And declared it from times past? Is it not I, Jehovah? There is no other God but me; A righteous God and a Savior, there is none besides me. Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, For I am God, and there is no one else.” Job 9:32 “For [God] is not a man like me that I may answer Him, That we should go to court together.” 1 Samuel 15:29 “Moreover, the Excellency of Israel will not prove false or change his mind, for He is not a mere man that he should change his mind.” Isaiah 42:8 "I am YHWH. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images."

[@Growmetheus]

John 8:58 “Jesus said unto them, ‘truly, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.’” In English, God’s name is translated “I am that I am,” in Hebrew, this is “Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh.” Every other instance of “Ehyeh” in the Hebrew bible is “I will be.” If indeed Jesus were alluding to “I am” in his native tongue, he would have been saying “Before Abraham was, I was to be.” Meaning he existed, was planned, but he never says “I am YHWH.” Jesus is created; We are all the son of God Colossians 1:15 "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." John 16:28 "I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.” John 17:8 “because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.”

[@Growmetheus]

Mark 10:18 “Jesus said to him: “Why do you call ME good? Nobody is good except one: God." (If Jesus were God, why would God deny his own goodness?) Matthew 5:9 “Happy are the peacemakers, since they will be called sons of God." John 1:12 "For he came to make us sons of God." Psalm 82:6 "I (YHWH) have said, ‘You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High.'"

[@Growmetheus]

John 10:33 "The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy; for you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” 34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? If He called ‘gods’ those against whom the Word of God came-and yet the scripture cannot be nullified- do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?" (Jesus is saying, "I don't even make the claim of being God- even though we have all been granted the title by God- every jew,” (in reference to psalm 82:6) but he is adamant! “I am the Son of God and that alone.”) See Luke 7:29, 30 on John the Baptist, as the verse can be interpreted as though he were God. Imagine hearing Jesus say “My Father is God,” and you walk away thinking Joseph is God.

[@stevenalexander6262]

does "him" in the text necessarily refer to Jesus?

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

Peace be with you Friend ❤️ If we follow John 1:1-2/Hebrews 1:2/1 Corinthians 8:6 & so on, we can know that it is Jesus. Everything came out of the Father, By/Through the Son.

[@nicbentulan]

3rd : TL;DR - John 13:34 proves Christianity to Jews Muslims atheists and to everyone. Yahweh said only Leviticus 19:18 & Deuteronomy 6:5 but never John 13:34 in a single verse in the Tanakh. Why? The new commandment John 13:34 sums up and proves Christianity, fulfills Jews & honest atheists and defeats Muslims & anti-theists. --- What do you think of my John 13:34 argument that Jesus claimed to be divine to fulfill Jews & defeat the ff? - Muslims who disbelieve Jesus claimed to be divine - Unitarian/Restorationist/Non-trinitarian Christians ( Islam is the OG original restorationist Christianity ) - Ben Shapiro who thinks Jesus was some rebel crucified by Romans like many other Jews then - Rabbi Shmuley Boteach who thinks similarly (cf 'Kosher Jesus') - agnostic New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman who like Rabbi Shmuley thinks Jesus never claimed to be divine. But unlike Muslims, they reject specifically the Gospel of John for many claims of divinity. (Some Muslims probably do or should reject John, but most don't. LOL.) - actually atheists, agnostics, Hindus, Buddhists and all non-Christians really. Part1 The new commandment John 13:34, sums up the new Christian covenant and is a supersession of the 2 commandments that sum up the old Mosaic covenant Leviticus 19:18 & Deuteronomy 6:5 cf Mark 12:34. Part2 There's no greater commandment than 'Love one another as God loves you.' God did not say that yet in the Torah / Tanakh / Old Testament because God was still in preparation for God's Salvation to extend to the gentiles eg establishing 'neighbours' ( cf parable of the good Samaritan. cf Leviticus 19:33-34 ). Yahweh wanted to say this commandment when Yahweh's Love through Yeshua could be demonstrated live (Jesus is fully divine) and w/ skin in the game (Jesus is fully human). And this way God can even make the commandment in the 1st person 'Love one another as I the Lord your God have loved you, as demonstrated' w/c of course is shortened 'Love one another as I (the Lord your God) have loved you(, as demonstrated).' Part3 Observe also God is very specific on who & how/to what extent. - Leviticus 19:18 - Who? Your neighbour. How? As yourself. - Deuteronomy 6:5 - Who? God. How? W/ all your heart, soul & strength. - John 13:34 - Who? One another, neighbours & enemies. How? As Jesus/God has loved you. Part4 Many Muslims & some Jews critique like 'Oh how can Jesus be the all-powerful God or the Messiah when Jesus died?' Throughout 2006-2010, I learned in school : Jesus' Power is in triumphing not politically w/ military (but of course Jesus did that) but triumphing over hatred w/ love. No matter how cruelly Jesus was treated, Jesus still loved & forgave everyone. THAT'S power. This isn't quite what Muslims expect in God or what Jews expect in the Messiah, but if Jesus resurrected, then we must revise our idea of what God or Messiah is. I read that this surprise is actually foretold to explain to humans that salvation is the Plan of God not the plan of humans, a callback to how eating the forbidden fruit is a sign of substituting our judgment of good & evil for God's. I think this surprise is related to how God foretold that the Jews would initially reject the Messiah (and in my view how God foretold that Islam would rise CF what I call the 'Abrahamic equation' Genesis 16:12 + Galatians 4:30 = Quran 5:51). Part5 Bart & Rabbi Shmuley say Jesus of the synoptic Gospels never claimed to be divine or at least the divinity stuff was added thereafter. But since John 13:34 is the whole point of Christianity, the Jesus of the synoptic Gospels must've said this. The Messiah's entire role is to give this new commandment. Love is the fulfillment of the law! ( cf Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14 ) CF Mark 12:34 that Jewish Christian Michael L Brown cites at the end of 'The Real Kosher Jesus'. Michael was inspired by the Holy Spirit but totally missed this chance. Part of Rabbi Shmuley Boteach's 'Kosher Jesus' gives citations what a learned rabbi that Rabbi Jesus was in how Jesus' Teachings were from various places in the Tanakh. (Wikipedia also shows citations from deuterocanonical texts.) 1 main thing missing was love. John 13:34 is absolutely new! Had Rabbi Shmuley seen this perhaps e'd have converted and not written the book. Well as Sherlock Holmes might say, perhaps e saw but didn't observe. - CF Quran 22:45-46 - Ironically, ☪️ countries are in ruin plainly for the eyes to see, but ☪️ hearts are blind. LOL. - CF Isaiah 9:6 as quoted in the Parable of the Sower. Both Rabbi Shmuley & Michael missed out on how love is the fulfillment of the law! And well not to be arrogant but as of 2024Oct31, I haven't seen anyone else like Sam Shamoun or David Wood make this argument of a divinity claim. Part6 This is an 'undesigned coincidence', as Testify Apologetics says : - In each synoptic gospel, and only in the synoptics, there's a citation of the 2 greatest commandments Levicitus 19:18 & Deuteronomy 6:5. - In the Gospel of John, and only the Gospel of John there's this new commandment. - The Torah (the Pentateuch really) is begging for a single great commandment. There's none in the rest of the Tanakh / Old Testament including the deuterocanonical texts. And even still the synoptic Gospels the begging is reiterated. This happens only in John. - And in turn John gets proper context for the new commandment in the synoptic Gospels. All the more Jesus (whether Jesus in synoptic Gospels, Jesus in Gospel of John, the historical Jesus, the Jesus in Judaism or Islam) must have said this. Part7 - For Jews, you are fulfilled. There's your single commandment! - For Muslims, Bart & Rabbi Shmuley, you are defeated. There's the divine claim! - For Christians, behold your Messiah! Use this verse from now on when dealing w/ any non-Christian, whether Muslim for divinity claims, Jew for Messianic prophecy debates ... or even non-Abrahamic or atheist for historical evidence : Part8 John 13:34 proves Christianity to not just Jews & Muslims but in general atheists & non-Abrahamics. Essentially, the Hebrews/Israelites/Jews/Samaritans get all these prophets for 1.5 millennia since Moses (or 2.5 millennia since Abraham) and then century after century, they have all these texts but never were commanded anything like John 13:34 a single verse. I guess the secular/natural explanation is that there's a really smart rabbi named Jesus who read scriptures and thought something was missing and then either was insane and filled in an apparent missing piece or some apostles thereafter thought of this... Come on. Cool story bro sis sib. Supernatural exists. --- Further elaboration :

[@I-AM-as-I-AM]

What they should realize is that Jesus Doesn't have the 3 Onmi's Onmipotent Onmiscient Onmipresent Literally or it's in contradiction

[@johannthedeceitful5968]

@@I-AM-as-I-AMBut he is omnipresent! What happened to “Before Abraham was, I am?”

[@nicbentulan]

​@@I-AM-as-I-AMwhat?

[@nicbentulan]

​@@johannthedeceitful5968how does John 8:58 or 3:16 or anything beat 13:34?

[@johannthedeceitful5968]

@@nicbentulan Huh?

[@juanandresnunez658]

Alright but this is easily countered. The thing is, Jesus could have easily been created because Jesus is not Jehova and Jehova is the God who created everything. Hence it makes sense that Jesus was created and can not be included as an uncreated thing. Not to mention we can point to Colossians 1:15, and 1:16, where we can read "because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible [...]", Proverbs 8:22 and Apocalypse 3:14 among others. .... - is what I would say if I was a jehova's witness, which I'm not. I'm just trying to learn further. Not to mention their translation specifically modifies John 1:3 to adjust to this. It all turns back again into debating greek and stuff.

[@Terrylb285]

Genesis 1:1. Job 38:1-4. Psalm 102:25. John 1:1-3. Colossians 1:15-17. Hebrews 1:8-12.

[@19king14]

This isn't with the expectation for one to change their mind or insist the following comment ought to be believed. This is merely to reveal what JWs would say in response.... Actually Jehovah's Witnesses (and many orthodox theologians) understand John 1:3 as referencing "created things" as is mentioned in Genesis 1:1, as being strictly the carnal universe or the "Heavens and the earth" - not including the spiritual realm or angels, etc, which would also exclude Jesus. Next "all" is very rarely "absolute" in the bible but limited to being 'relative' to the topic at hand. Atheists use "all" to erroneously 'prove' the bible has contradictions on the same premise when it come to the Amalikes, for example. They were "all" killed but later on in time they were still around. That said, JWs would still put Jesus in the created category since John 1:3 is speaking in a relative ("heavens and earth' creation model, a teaching endorsed by other denominations and scholars). JWs use scriptures (from other translations as well) that show Jesus was God's first act of creation - Revelation 3:14, born Col. 1:15 and "begotten" (birthed). Three different words on English and Greek that shows Jesus had a beginning - no eternal, finite past.

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

Peace be with you Friend ❤️ Begotten isn't used to claim that Jesus ks created. Rather, to claim how Jesus is Uniqly God's Son, because he Lives of the Same Essence as God the Father (John 1:1). & Neither is Rev 3:14 saying that Jesus is created. He simply is the Beginning of God's Creation because everything came through Him(Hebrews 1:2). He is the Beginning, & the Last, the Alpha & the Omega(Rev 1:8).

[@19king14]

@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 Thanks for being kindly and respectable. Rest assured, that's my intent as well. You are correct in saying Jesus is uniquely God's Son. Part of that 'uniqueness' is that he is the only one directly created by God, "monogenes" = unique/one begotten. We can't ignore the "begotten" part of monogenes. Compare Matthew 1:2 Col 1:15 Everything else was created through Jesus. When we check into the use of the Greek word "arche" it does mean beginning as is translated in KJV ect. Revelation 3:14. The founding fathers would contrast it with "anarche." Jesus had a beginning and the Father was without beginning (anarche). Yes, then everything came through Him (Hebrews 1:2).

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

@19king14 No Problem, Friend ❤️ But We never see Jesus being created by God. Rev 3:14 simply alludes to John 1:1-3, on how Jesus is the Beginning of God's Creation because everything began through Him. He is the Beginning & the End, the Alpha & the Omega, the First & the Last(Rev 1:8). Similar to Colosians 1:15, Jesus is the Firstborn Over Creation, because he has Preminence. He is the FirstBorn Not in order, but in Rank, God in the Flesh(John 1:1).

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

@19king14 Also, for Monogenes. According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BDAG, 3rd Edition), monogenes has TWO primary definitions. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." This is its meaning in Hebrews 11:17. The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9). John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:31), and he uses monogenes to highlight Jesus as uniquely God’s Son-sharing the same divine nature as God-as opposed to believers who are God’s sons and daughters by adoption (Ephesians 1:5). Jesus is God’s “one and only” Son.

[@19king14]

@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 You are correct, Jesu is uniquely God's Son, I believe we are in the same boat here. But there are many other sources that add more and don't ignore the "begotten" part which adds to the uniqueness. Please check Strong's for one of many. Also Wayne Grudem's "Systematic Theology." He explains how modern scholars tried and removed the "beggetal" part of "only begotten" back in 1886. Clearly John's Gospel was written way before they redefined monogenes. Definitely, Jesus has unique qualities, being the only Son directly begotten of God is one of them. As far as Colossians 1:15, Jesus is the Firstborn Over Creation, yes Jesus has Preminence. One reason why is because of being "firstborn." One that is born first typically received preeminence as the one born first - "prototokos." Like mongenes, we can't just simply 'lopp' off the 'born' or 'begotten' part of these two-fold, dual meaning words inspired by God's Holy Spirit.

[@joonalehtinen8041]

When they hit you with Colossians 1:15, you hit them with Colossians 1:16 ✨

[@littlefishbigmountain]

IIRC the NWT says “all OTHER things”. Since they are taught to distrust anything not put out by the Watchtower et al, to make this argument you have to pull up a Watchtower published Interlinear and show them that even in their own official interlinear that word “other” is not there.

[@Agenlgar]

A BIG fact is also that (at least on the french version of their website) in the « bible and you // what does this verses mean ? // John 1:1 » section they just blew themselves. They say that he created all OTHER things, while quoting the verse wich says « all things » !! I love pointing that out to them, that shuts them completely.

[@DC-zz7fm]

I was once challenged by two JWs on John 1:3 and came up with this: If Jesus created everything, did he also create time? If yes, he is eternal because he existed before time, therefore he is God. They didn't want to answer if time is created.

[@truthedministry]

Angels are spiritual beings as Satan existed prior to the Earth and will be eternally punished. It is possible that all angels existed before time in our universe began, but they were created by God so they're not eternal in the same way that He is eternal.

[@foundthetruth2003]

I love your videos my friend, excellent 🎉

[@Womb_to_Tomb_Apologetics]

Very interesting Testify. That's incredible!

[@Matthew_Man]

As pimo (sometimes pomo) jehovahs witness I outta say, now in just confused, (love your videos, keep up the amazing work)

[@BJRoes]

And a 2000 year old mosaic found in the valley of Armageddon, that says “Jesus is GOD”

[@truthedministry]

And there are even older documents and Egyptian hieroglyphics that declare that RA is the sun God.... just because something old declares something doesn't make it true.

[@shaulkramer7425]

Excellent video, it helps a lot.

[@BLK_Vio1ent]

1:49 yo that's a Philippine coin 1980s series🗿

[@VerkoAviarhidea]

PHILIPPINES MENTIONED??? RAAAUGHHHHH

[@kennedyplayzyt765]

God bless you Brother.

[@Bluboy511]

We can also point them to John 10:30, where jesus says, "I and the father are one." In fact, that's one verse in an entire passage where Jesus says he's God.

[@lonecar144]

To be fully God means you cannot die (immortal), to be fully man means you can die (mortal), it is impossible to be both at the same time. The problem is that both theists and atheists alike are under the assumption that the bible (KJV) teaches that this earth is God's first and only rodeo. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made >THAT WAS MADE

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

It's why Paul refers to it as "The Mystery of Godliness"(1 Timothy 3:16). The Greek Word "Μυστήριο/mystírio" meaning Revealed Truth, by the Holy Spirit, but something Not so easily Comprehensive but is True, like God's Incarnation.

[@hotdawgsgood]

Jesus Christ was there in the beginning and he is awaiting us in the end.

[@JadDragon]

@@MichaelTheophilus906 John 8:58 LSB Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” Let's just ignore that Jesus existed before He took on flesh. John chapter 1 wants a word with you.

[@TeekayTooDrippy]

@@MichaelTheophilus906 Jesus existed before the world was even created as God, then was born in Bethlehem as a man, and finally will return to rule the world, fixed it for you.

[@JadDragon]

@@MichaelTheophilus906 No, it's what the Bible repeatedly says.

[@JEMassN2]

@@MichaelTheophilus906 read john 17:5

[@JadDragon]

@@MichaelTheophilus906 here's a handful: Several places in the New Testament explicitly teach Jesus’ pre-existence. Jesus said, “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began” (John 17:5). This passage alone is sufficient to show that the Scripture supports Jesus’ pre-existence, but it is just one of many such passages. Jesus Himself explicitly taught His own pre-existence (John 3:13; 6:33, 38, 62; 8:23; 16:28). Christ even said that He existed prior to Abraham’s birth (John 8:58-59) even though Abraham’s birth preceded Jesus’ own birth by many centuries! Several texts present Jesus as pre-existing with His Father (Romans 8:3; 1 John 1:2; Galatians 4:4). Several passages even identify Jesus as the Creator (John 1:2-3; Colossians 1:16-17; Hebrews 1:2).

[@ΑνίκητοςΓιαννούδης]

Hey Testify, I saw that the last text you wrote was in Greek. Are you an Orthodox? 😊

[@ryanjohnson4565]

In all fairness, could not someone respond by something like, “if we’re following your logic, then that means that God the father was created through Jesus as well. So clearly this isn’t meant to be interpreted this way” ?

[@davidkodsy90]

Can’t be. If The Word is WITH God, as well as also being God, and everything was created through The Word, then obviously that means that this applies to God (The Father) too. Because the only uncreated being is God. So if the bible states that The Father is God, then there can be no issue regarding having always existed.

[@JadDragon]

That doesn't follow logically as God the Father isn't created either.

[@marvalice3455]

No, because God the father is not a thing that was made. He belongs in a different category. Plus we believe in the Trinity. Any act of the divine essence, such as creation, is an act of all three persons.

[@ryanjohnson4565]

Great thoughts you guys! Thanks for sharing! As I’ve thought about it, I think the crux comes down to: it’s assumed by the text that the “all things” in verse 3 are “all CREATED things”. Because otherwise he’d have to create himself, which makes no sense. Also the setting is the “beginning”, in which he was with God.

[@JadDragon]

@@ryanjohnson4565 "and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being." God never came into being, He aways was.

[@bl4ze1t38]

You should make a video like this for the Mormons. I would like to see you take on the idea of everything being uncreated, including so-called “intelligences”, with the greatest intelligence being (or becoming?) God. Mormon theology gets confusing but I’d like to see some videos tackling it in its strongest/most accurate forms

[@davipaes8793]

"B-but he's a minor god ☝️🤓"

[@Emperor_famous]

@@davipaes8793 how do we counter that ?

[@Ironica82]

@@Emperor_famous The fact that Thomas worshiped him as God yet Jesus did not correct him. Thus, Jesus is either truly God or a demon who accepts worship from others.

[@Emperor_famous]

@Ironica82 I said that but the Bible wasnt helping hand because john 20 vs 31 they now put that jesus is the son Of God.

[@davipaes8793]

@@Emperor_famous "Hear Israel, the Lord is One"

[@Emperor_famous]

@@davipaes8793 this doesn't mean anything

[@tomteacher5885]

Someone said to me the other day that Jesus was the light created on the first day. But that contradicts John 1:3 in the same way. (Heavens, earth, the spirit and waters are all present before 'let there be light') I didn't get a further response...

[@Jesusisthe_king]

The word was God, the word became flesh and was living between us - Jesus

[@liambomb91six]

Jehovah's Witnesses rewrite the Bible to fit their heresy.

[@Joe-rz3fd]

Make sure you include the context of verses 1-4

[@timosboudouloulisdafm6962]

I found some Muslims that they made responses video against you Do you want to know them? (Very good video btw 👍)

[@terrorist-chan7866]

Thoughts on Colossians 1:15, 16?

[@TestifyApologetics]

I did a short on it kzbin.infoN9nl471CZGM?feature=share

[@terrorist-chan7866]

@ and Revelation 3:14?

[@Ironica82]

Firstborn is rank, not birth order.

[@thenorm1234]

Just quote isaiah 6:3 Which says that The Lord is holy 3 times proving the trinity. Isaiah 6:3 NLT [3] They were calling out to each other, “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of Heaven’s Armies! The whole earth is filled with his glory!”

[@yat_ii]

The verse literally says 'apart from him' 😭😭😭

[@Understandmed8]

No one is saying anything about it too LMAOO

[@Lion-el-Jonson1]

I like what you guys doing. But even I find this unconvincing, strained, the arguments are not strong enough when based on a couple of John's writings.

[@reasonablemind6830]

Looking at John 1.3 from the perspective of Monarchical Trinitarianism instead of Egalitarian/Symmetrical Trinitarianism: The Father, the one & only being who is the Uncaused Cause, or the Source without any source, has timelessly/eternally caused or generated (or begotten) the existence of the Son, and the Father used the Son as His instrument/means to create all the created things. Hence, the Father is the SOURCE of all created things, while the Son is the instrumental means (used by the Father) in creating the world. (Hence in 1 Cor 8.6: The Father is the one “FROM whom are all things” while the Lord/Son is the one “THROUGH/BY whom are all things”)

[@CHE-Undercover]

Dont take this the wrong way. First, i have to say, you make some of the best arguments for things, but this is a bad argument. Im simplifying here, so keep in mind i realize there are objections to parts of my response here but there are counters so think through this. Its semantic and not really saying anything. Its easy to exclude the subject from the statement. If i went to an naacp meeting and say "everyone is this room is black, and not one person is not", you would not automatically therefore conclude i too am black. You could conclude i am talking about everyone aside from me. It could be taken either way. I could be black or white. Or if i stand in my house and say i built everything in here, you wouldnt automatically think i built my wife, though i couldve worked at a cloning lab and done just that. lol There are much more solid arguments. This one is just dubious and a flashy gotcha moment. A little disappointed in this coming from you, who makes the maximalist case which i love. The minimal facts is not sufficient. So i hope you can see this is even worse than that. The best argument, is a systematic review of all verses. There are solid counters i have heard from unitarians and occasionally muslims for a lot of these one dimensional arguments. And standing alone, they could just as well be right. It is the whole picture that destroys those interpretations, not this at all.

[@eastsideapologetics6147]

This was good ! Jesus is God!

[@elbertsorrell8394]

I still don't think this is an airtight explanation. And I'm not even Jehovah's Witness. But I have dealt with them a lot.

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

Deut 6.4-6, Mark 12.28-32, John 17.3, John 20.17, Rom 15.6, I Cor 8.6, II Cor 11.31, Eph 1.17, I Tim 2.5, Rev 1.5-6, Rev 3.12.

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

Peace be with you Friend ❤️ The Trinity is about One God, therefore Deuteronomy 6:4-6 & Mark 12:28-32. The Trinity teaches that all 3 are Fully God, therefore what Jesus said about the Father is True, same with 1 Corinthians 8:6. But it doesn't deny the Son as God, otherwise it will contradict the Bible, like John 1:1. Lord is Equivalent to God, Paul was distinguishing them in their PersonHood, but Equality in their Essence.

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

The Trinity teaches that Jesus, as the Son, is Fully God & Fully Man. So 1 Timothy 2:5(with 1 Timothy 3:16), Aligns with the Trinity. Since Jesus is the Son, he has the Father from the Same Essence. Therefore, Jesus having the Father as God is correct, & aligns with John 20:17/Romans 15:6/ 2 Corinthians 11:6/Ephesians 1:17/Rev 1:5-6,3:12, but it doesn't make him any less God. Just like how a Human Son calling his Earthly Father "Human" doesn't make the Son any less Human.

[@davidhood4776]

The Bible is clear. Jesus is the SON of God, not God. Instead of blindly listening to the popular opinion, do the research yourself. I was told once by a very Godly man, trust no one. Pray and read the Bible. God will reveal the truth if you truly trust only him

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

Peace be with you Friend ❤️ Yes, Jesus is the Son of God, it's what makes him God, Not the Father but the Son. Having the Same Essence as the Father, making Jesus God(the Son).

[@tirididjdjwieidiw1138]

My mother is an ex-JW but still believes their heretical theology, even if i backed her into a corner she’d just brush it off and say “well i haven’t read as much as you, but i still believe Jesus isn’t God” No matter how good an argument, people are stubborn, especially when it comes to religious believes. You will not convince them in one go.

[@l.palacio9076]

People are stubborn in their own ignorance, not just on religious beliefs

[@Dinrad360]

Viva Cristo Rey, my Lord and my God.

[@scottsponaas]

Another pair of proof texts would be Mark 1:1-3 and Isaiah 40:3. Mark calls back to Isaiah’s prophecy and says to prepare the way for the Lord. Who is he talking about? Jesus. But let’s go back to Isaiah 40:3. Isaiah also says to prepare the way for the Lord, but who is he speaking of? According to the text, he uses the Hebrew word “yehovah” which is the national Jewish name for God. They’re both saying to prepare the way for God..:which is Jesus (aka Emmanuel or God with us.)

[@nothanksplease]

did you draw that bunny??? 🥺 its so cute.

[@rebeljohn747]

So what do you do if they say God created Jesus, then Jesus created all things?

[@hermanwooster8944]

That contradicts John 1:3 because all things were made by Jesus.

[@TestifyApologetics]

The phrase “apart from Jesus” can’t mean “with the exception of Jesus.” These phrases are not synonymous.

[@robinj.9329]

Q. My question always has been; IF Jesus was "God The Father"? Then WHO was he praying to while he was on Earth? "Father, into your hands I place my Sprit!" etc., etc., etc. .

[@TestifyApologetics]

Jesus never was God the Father. God the Son was speaking to the God the Father

[@ICE4T]

@@TestifyApologetics lol

[@JonathanMorgan-zs8mm]

Ok, I see your logic but from all renditions of the Bible I have seen the him referenced in John1:3 is god, which if you believe that god and Jesus are separate makes sense. Please feel free to explain why my understanding doesn’t work

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

Peace be with you Friend ❤️ John 1:1-3 is speaking of the Word, which is Jesus, which is God & was with God(John 1:1). One God that Exists in 3 Persons.

[@shreenybeany1751]

Bravo!! 👏And Amen!!! 🙌Exquisite job at creating ✝️just the right concoction to convince those deluded cult members 😢to join another deluded 😬but less oppressive😊 (bonus points) religious group!!! ✝️Too bad this argument wouldn’t work on those pesky NONbelievers… 😤😡My theory is ✋they’ve hardened their hearts to the point 🏹 they can’t be saved 😢😡… Any thoughts? 💭🤔

[@Crustyshrimp99]

But you have only given them two categorys to choose from its like saying "whats your favorite food cake or icecream" but what if its neither?

[@TestifyApologetics]

Neither is excluded by the plain reading of Jn 1.3

[@Crustyshrimp99]

​@@TestifyApologetics that verse that mentions everything is created by "him" cant that mean god?

[@Crustyshrimp99]

if the Him in this case means god does it not mean jesus is apart of that

[@4xdblack]

Could you do a video on those who follow Krishna?

[@timd3895]

Jesus the Creator of all created things 💪🏋️‍♂️

[@runnereh]

Literally beautiful

[@hambonejones7231]

What if God created Jesus who then created creation?

[@benthephilosopher]

Great video.

[@john7912h]

It will not change anything in their beliefs. People are set in their ways. "Winning" doesn’t matter.

[@DaniG._.German]

0:01 you answer?

[@icycrusader1947]

In truth John 1:1-18 is great at describing the nature of Jesus.

[@generaltechnomage306]

Since you've been debunking Mormonism and the Jehova's Witnesses, I gotta ask: Which other denominations of Christianity are false? Which ones are okay to follow?

[@flamegator3251]

Mormonism and JW aren't denominations of Christianity as they are not Christians.

[@generaltechnomage306]

@@flamegator3251 How are they not Christians? I thought they worshipped Jesus?

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

​@@generaltechnomage306 Peace be with you Friend ❤️ But they don't believe in the Correct Jesus.

[@johannthedeceitful5968]

All the ones that follow Nicene orthodoxy, which is most of them-it’s only Unitarians or other heretics that cannot be trusted

[@johannthedeceitful5968]

For some reason my last comment was deleted, but the ones that aren’t to be trusted are the ones (like Unitarians) who do not follow the Nicene Creed

[@Crustyshrimp99]

why would god send himself down to earth to die for the sins he judges then resurect himself also how is th kingdom is jesus seperate to the kingdom of god if they are the same person

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

Peace be with you Friend ❤️ So that Jesus may bring many son's to Glory(Hebrews 2:9-18).

[@dennisjump8655]

What a silly, silly analogy. This is your "proof"? BTW, Paul says Jesus was created. So did John. Argue with them. If only they had had a napkin back then, lol. Also, why don't you pick on the other non-trinitarian religions, say the Unitarians for example. Because hateful videos directed at them don't get the clicks, that's why.

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

Peace be with you Friend ❤️ Paul didn't say that Jesus was created, rather that through Him, everything else was created (Colosians 1:16-17).

[@dennisjump8655]

@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 Paul plainly calls him "the first born of all creation" in vs. 15. I recognize your moniker from other posts and know that you endlessly argue and there is no scripture that you cannot twist, or word that you cannot change the meaning of, to suit your doctrine. I will not answer you any further or respond. EOC.

[@Samu-xc2tc]

A lot of words but any response... It would be good if you point out where's the error. 1. John 1:3 said that through Jesus all things were made *and without him nothing was made that has been made* 2. If Jesus was created, he was made through himself. 3. That's logically imposible. 4. But if Jesus is uncreated, John 1:3 makes sense 5. Only God Almighty is uncreated 6. Therefore, Jesus is God Almighty. On what point do you disagree and why?

[@dennisjump8655]

@@Samu-xc2tc Because he says "WITH" in vs 2. No one is with themselves. So since John has already DIFFERENTIATED the two, your "logic" falls apart. Obviously the thing not made, Almighty God, is not part of "the things made" being referred to. Talk about overcomplicating a verse to infer into something it does not mean, nor even make sense. Jesus himself leaves no doubt, or needs no false "logic" to explain his meaning when he clearly states his relation to God and the creation " These are things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the BEGINNING OF THE CREATION BY GOD". (Revelation 3:14). God created his son, his "first born", his "only begotten" and then all other things were created through and for him. Simple, easy to understand. No convoluted "logic" needed.

[@Samu-xc2tc]

@@dennisjump8655 None of my six points were addressed, I hope that in your next response you will explain which point is false and why. If my logic is convoluted you will not have any problem to point out that. Now, John 1:2 is saying that the Word was with God; according to you that means that the Word is different in _essence_ from God (despite the vs. 1 said the Word was God), but if you see the whole chapter you'll notice that it means that the Word is different _in person_ from the Father (see John 1:18). No contradiction with Trinitarian theology.

[@davethesid8960]

0:02 - I don't want to imagine that scenario.

[@maxmccarrick5671]

What if they object to this with: God created Jesus before creating Adam. In fact, God created Jesus and then used him to make everything else, including the angels John 1:3. That is why the Bible calls Jesus “the firstborn of all creation” by God.​-Read Colossians 1:15, 16. Before being born he dwelled in heaven Luke 1:30-32; John 6:38; 8:23. This is a sufficient rebuke no? Note: I AM NOT A JEHOVAH WITNESS, I am curious to see the Christan response)

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

Peace be with you Friend ❤️ Jesus is Referred to as the Firstborn Over Creation, so that he may have the Preminence/Supermacy. Colosians 1:16-20 to Understand.

[@Ironica82]

Firstborn in rank, not created order (reference them to where David is called the firstborn).

[@craig_motha]

@@Ironica82 point us to the scripture

[@mlwilliams4407]

@@craig_motha Jesus is Eternal, not Created: - John 1:1-3: This passage declares, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.” -- The "Word" (Jesus) is eternal and was present with God at the very beginning, not as a created being, but as God Himself. -- If Jesus created all things, He could not be part of creation; otherwise, He would have had to create Himself, which is illogical. - Colossians 1:15-16: Jehovah's Witnesses often cite this to argue Jesus was created. However, “firstborn of all creation” refers to rank and preeminence, not being part of creation. The term "firstborn" (Greek prototokos) is used elsewhere to denote status rather than chronology (e.g., Psalm 89:27, where David is called "firstborn" even though he was not the first son). Jesus Is Fully Divine: - Colossians 2:9: “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.” This affirms that Jesus possesses the complete nature of God. - Philippians 2:6-7: Jesus, “being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant.” Jesus' incarnation does not diminish His eternal divinity. John 8:58: Jesus says, “Before Abraham was born, I am!” This statement connects Jesus directly to God’s self-revelation in Exodus 3:14 (“I am who I am”) and shows His existence is eternal, not created. The term prototokos (firstborn) in Colossians 1:15 does not imply that Jesus was created. Instead, it signifies His preeminence over all creation: - In ancient Jewish culture, "firstborn" connoted priority in rank and inheritance, not necessarily the first to be born chronologically. - Verse 16 explicitly states, “For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible.” This includes angels, demonstrating that Jesus is not an angel or a created being. Jehovah's Witnesses acknowledge Jesus’ preexistence but misunderstand its implications. - John 6:38: Jesus declares, “I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.” This shows Jesus existed before His earthly birth, but it aligns with His divine, eternal nature rather than Him being a created being. - Revelation 22:13: Jesus says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” These titles emphasize His eternal and divine nature, equating Him with God. The Jehovah's Witnesses’ New World Translation adds the word "other" in Colossians 1:16 (“all [other] things were created”) to suggest that Jesus is part of creation. However, this word is not in the original Greek manuscripts and misrepresents the text.

[@maxmccarrick5671]

@@Ironica82 Please provide scriptural evidence when making such claims

[@daviddrew3372]

Colossians 1:15 and 1:18 clearly describe Jesus as a Firstborn in two different circumstances. I think I will stick with Paul on this point. Additionally, since Peter answered Jesus saying “ You are the messiah, the Son of God” and Jesus commented his explanation. I think I’ll stick with Peter and Jesus on that answer.

[@JesusIsKing-s6q]

David was called first born too. He was the youngest of all his brothers. Firstborn doesn’t mean what you think it does.

[@JadDragon]

Firstborn in rank and authority, not firstborn human.

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

Peace be with you Friend ❤️ But Peter also calls Jesus God(2 Peter 1:1), & Paul as well(Titus 2:13).

[@craig_motha]

@@JadDragonwhere do you get that from and what makes you so sure?

[@hozn]

If they wanna talk Hebrew el Gibor in Isaiah will fix that. The mighty God (Jesus)

[@jahtruthdefender]

This is yet another bogus content creator's eisegesis of the text

[@Outthebots]

I don't get it.. if jesus is the firstborn of all creation.. then he would be the first and only created thing and then he created the rest.. even if you think jesus is god this still seems like a terrible arguement.

[@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22]

Peace be with you Friend ❤️ Jesus is the Firstborn Not in order but in Rank, because he is God in the Flesh. & He is the Firstborn Over Creation, speaking of his Preminence & Supremacy(Colosians 1:16-21).

[@dimonhero5489]

Jesus Christ is God!

[@gekota3xyz]

very helpful tutorial, thank you!

[@cameronreed1411]

There's a bit more nuance to the LDS position on Jesus and God being separate individuals. We believe every person, God, Jesus, the Holy Ghost, Joseph, Mary, Peter, Pilate, Moses, you, me, and anyone ever born has always existed before we were born and will continue to exist forever. There is something eternal, you could call it an "I am", inside each of us individuals and that part of us was never created and will never be destroyed. Our physical bodies were created, and our spiritual bodies created by God certainly, but something deeper we call intelligence was not and could not be created. And that intelligence, that little I Am is as old as God Himself is. It's always existed just as He has always existed. He is just infinitely more advanced than us. We also see Jesus Christ as a god but not the same god that God the Father is. Totally separate but one (Ένα) in purpose not one (ένας) in being. I think part of the reason Christian philosophers (not apostles or revelators with authorized priesthood keys mind you) couldn't wrap their heads around the idea that because God the Father is a God and Jesus Christ is a god, there are by definition multiple gods, and not wanting to fall into being called "polytheists", their Greek philosophizing led them to adopt the traditional definition of the Trinity, which the Christians of the Bible themselves didn't believe.

[@johnharris3335]

Jesus is God. God has come to this world differently to all of us. God came to South America, China, Norway. God is everywhere and appears to us all differently. One Heavenly Father, a Holy Spirit that dwells on Earth, and a begotten son who saved us all. ALL GOD.

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Eric, we need you to teach us how you do these animations.

[@TestifyApologetics]

it's just canva

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@TestifyApologetics I'm talking about how you take time and search for the memes.

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