The Trinity is BOTH Logical and Biblical

[@benedictjajo]

The problem with people who thinks the trinity is nonsensical is that they think God is limited.

[@ihaveatonofnames]

Peter Griffin Joker

[@TestifyApologetics]

all cults-I don't understand how God could be 3 and 1, no matter how it can be explained to me. all atheists-I don't understand how God could allow XYZ, no matter how it can be explained to me. ppl in hell-I don't understand why I'm here, no matter how it can be explained to me.

[@ФилипЂукић]

Aren't we doing the same with the virgin birth?

[@DB-si8st]

@@TestifyApologetics another proof of trinity Genesis 1:26 " let us "

[@theosama3054]

​@@ФилипЂукићspeak for yourself, I believe in the immaculate conception AND the perpetual virginity of Mary ^^

[@KingJonasHD]

When muslims say "the trinity was invented", I'd simply ask them why? Like seriously, why would one invent something as confusing as the trinity to convince people to follow their religion? You wouldn't want to convince someone by inventing something confusing, you'd make it simple to understand. It doesn't make sense strategically. This whole "inventing stuff" seems to fit much more with islam, where simply telling people who do not understand the trinity that "god is one" is far more effective.

[@johannthedeceitful5968]

They’d certainly know a thing or two about religious invention, all I’m saying

[@kyzer42]

I'm not saying I think this is true, but one argument in favour of the "trinity was invented" idea is: Maybe the idea of the trinity was invented to try to make all the various books of the Bible, which were written by different people at different times, seem like they fit together? But idk, I'm not a Bible scholar or anything.

[@qasmb1546]

exactly

[@eliasziad7864]

Simple, because they wanted to justify worshipping Jesus without being called polytheists.

[@KingJonasHD]

@@eliasziad7864 in that case just say Jesus is the one god.

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

This is why I like how The Chosen brought up this issue a bit in Season One, with Nicodemus and Schmuel. Nicodemus was disagreeing with Schmuel and said that we can't just put God into a box of our own making. There are things about God that we will never understand or comprehend.

[@emilianohermosilla3996]

One of my favorites moments in the 1st season! 😁

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

I'm watching the show with a group once a week!

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 I can't wait for Season 5. Especially when they get into Jerusalem. I was at ChosenCon, and I'm not going to spoil anything, but all I'll say is that there definitely was a perk being there in person.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

@@SockieTheSockPuppet wow! Nice!

[@johannthedeceitful5968]

Nicodemus was a good one

[@Chinmookchin]

People who say the Trinity isn't make sense because hard to understand was just basically saying we can 100% understand God's nature and power, which telling our mind is same level or equal with God's mind

[@annemurphy9339]

This baffles me, that some people are determined to confine our Creator to the physical limitations He used for man. The one true Elohim Creator God YHVH obviously far exceeds our form and nature.

[@rh-tj7fx]

It’s not necessarily that we are trying to understand 100% of God’s nature, however God does not confuse in his revelation and reveals himself in every instance as being one person. Jesus is God, that one man who is 100% man and 100% God manifest in the flesh.

[@johannthedeceitful5968]

Heresy for certain!

[@Chinmookchin]

@@mroejacobs don't use analogy for the Trinity, because there are no perfect analogy to truly understanding Trinity

[@annemurphy9339]

@@mroejacobs I’ll lift a prayer for you to be delivered of such tragic spiritual blindness.

[@cannonballjenkins2757]

Jesus = 100% God, 100% Human

[@niccolopaganini1782]

Amen!

[@oscaradeaza1203]

Not even 100%, fully human and fully God because you can still go above 100%, 101%, 102%… Referring to God, language and humanity is indescribable to the God of Abraham. More like the toppest version of infinity.

[@wrenithilduincats]

​@@oscaradeaza1203 A better way to say it is that Jesus is truly man and truly God.

[@fauzulazim2993]

God and human have opposing values, like: Black vs White, Left vs Right, and so the Creator vs Creature. You can't give 100% value to anything when it still has 1% the opposing values, so it would be more unreasonable if the opposite value is 100% either.

[@algomez8563]

@@oscaradeaza1203 What?

[@ryankohnenkamp8946]

"I don't understand the trinity, so it must be false"

[@eniolaelisery1503]

Yea that’s called the Personal Incredulity Fallacy

[@joshuaparsons887]

​@@eniolaelisery1503Also applies to the problem of evil, if you think about it. "I can't understand why God allows evil, therefore, he isn't real"

[@seanpierce9386]

@@joshuaparsons887 The problem of evil is based on the idea that someone who is morally good would not allow evil to happen, as long as it is preventable. So objections to it usually focus on how evil was necessary. Unfortunately, because of the doctrine of the New Earth, it’s clear that God could have easily made a perfect world. The problem arises because Israelites, Jews, and Christians have had different concepts of God. Since God can do anything, they had total freedom within the constraints of their own understanding of Him. But if we try to mash all of those ideas together, it’s inconsistent.

[@joshuaparsons887]

@@seanpierce9386 and why can't God have a good reason for allowing evil that's beyond our understanding?

[@seanpierce9386]

@@joshuaparsons887 Because that’s a cop out and contradicts the doctrine of the New Earth. If God did have a good reason for allowing evil, He wouldn’t attempt to destroy it and replace Earth with a perfect world.

[@J_RayDBL]

Remember, if God is easy to explain, that means our brains are bigger than God😊

[@bankruptwizard]

A man trying to understand God is like a worm trying to understand a human.

[@psykol-1]

@@bankruptwizard more like a grain of sand trying to understand the stars

[@bankruptwizard]

@@psykol-1 Exactly

[@JoshD8705]

God is not the author of confusion. He gives wisdom to those who seek wisdom. He says who he is in scripture and never claims to be 3 persons, he always says he is ONE. Jesus is the only God.

[@noarmsally2628]

@@J_RayDBL that doesn’t follow

[@bottomturtlepodcast]

Physicist/mathematician here. At 0:47 is essentially an algebraic statement. This is the nature of algebra you're describing. It's also the language of symmetry and symmetry transformations which is foundational to all of physics. Think in terms of Noether's theorem. If there is a symmetry, then there is a conserved quantity. As you transform between the elements of the symmetry, the essence of God is conserved. This is precisely to be one unity with distinct parts. I also think it's the best way to understand John 17:21.

[@John_Six_Twenty-Nine]

I would welcome a mathematician's take on my avatar

[@bizarrealtispinax2747]

Excellent point, however, unlike anything that we know, God is in three that are different, yet each one of Them is only one God, not parts of God, since being part of something means being a fraction of it, but when the Bible refers to the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit separately, it's always said "God", as if speaking of the same, yet they're treated as independent but at the same time as the same entity. It's quite hard to understand, but hey, that's what one would expect from infinity, from God Almighty.

[@quite3560]

@@bizarrealtispinax2747 I constantly hear that the trinity is unique to Christianity but I have yet to hear a good argument for this. From what I've studied so far, the idea of a triune god or triad was explicitly found in greco-roman pantheons (Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva / Zeus, Hera, and Athena). The same attributes that people apply to the trinity is consistent with how those pagans looked at their trinities. Equal essence, authority, three persons in one godhead, each worshiped equally etc. It's also common among even older cultures like Assyria, Babylon, and India.

[@logitchy]

​@quite3560 not to be mean but send source. this is a bold claim

[@bizarrealtispinax2747]

@@quite3560 There's no real evidence to those so called "trinities". There's a difference between the Holy Trinity, which are three persons and one God, none is more God than the other, all three are equal and independent, but are one God alone, a compound unit, whereas the groupings you're talking about are different. I.e. there's the Ennead in the ancient Egyptian culture, which is a council of nine gods, I think Thoth and Osiris were included, I don't remember the rest. Same goes with pantheons in Greek and Roman mythologies, and other groups within the same religions. I also recall another group of eight Egyptian gods formed by frog and fish gods and goddesses, but I can't remember their names. Anyways, there's absolutely nothing that compares to what the Bible shows about the Trinity, and some stories that reassemble such concept as well as those to the story of Jesus, only began to appear after the New Covenant was written. Blessings.

[@Pyr0Ben]

I'm a simple man I see Donnall and Connall I like video

[@JosiahTheSiah]

Come on, Patrick!

[@BenJacobs-z4u]

Another response to the "God uses singular pronouns" argument is that God also uses plural pronouns: eg. Gen 1:24 Let us make man in our image, Gen 11:7 Let us go down an confuse their language

[@joshuadunham3018]

Muslims will argue against this by saying that it is the "plural of majesty." If you hear this objection, inform them that there is no plural of majesty in Hebrew grammar at the time Genesis and whatnot were written. It's a tired old argument that Anthony Rogers has addressed over on his channel.

[@futfan9092]

I really don't like this argument because the Divine Council theology makes much more sense imo. For people interested, you can look this up using 'The Unseen Realm' by Michael Heiser

[@redschannel6527]

@@futfan9092 I do still like it. "Let us make man in OUR image..." whose image are you made in? God's? Angels? The council's? The Bible answers: "In the image of God, he created them"

[@seanpierce9386]

@@redschannel6527 That’s interpreting the verse in a modern Christian context rather than understanding what the authors originally intended. The Israelites were originally polytheistic, but as God became more and more exalted over time, gods became angels and demons. The Trinity reintroduces a polytheistic element, despite calling those entities the same being to fit with previous monotheistic theology. As a result, some of the earlier or less adapted Bible passages can be interpreted to fit in a Christian context.

[@redschannel6527]

@@seanpierce9386 The Israelites were not originally polytheistic. There is good evidence against this that can at least fight the possibility to a draw. That's interpreting the verse in a modern skeptical context rather than understanding what the authors originally intended.

[@BlueMoon-BloodMoon]

1 + 1 + 1 = 1 is wrong. Infinite + Infinite + Infinite = Infinite is correct.

[@smidlee7747]

@@maylingng4107 Someone needs to give you a cookie as you just realize the limitations of math. But if you are going to use math then that is the best answer. “As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.” - Albert Einstein

[@smidlee7747]

@@maylingng4107 No one understands quantum mechanics as there are 10 different theories and every one of them are weird. "Not only is the Universe stranger than we think, it is stranger than we can think." -Werner Heisenberg "The reality we can put into words is never reality itself." -Werner Heisenberg.

[@BlueMoon-BloodMoon]

@@maylingng4107 You must approach the concept that the Father = God, the Son = God, and the Holy Spirit = God. I am also aware that the idea of infinite + infinite + infinite = infinite can hold true or not depending on certain conditions. There is a reason why the equation I mentioned holds true. Considering the characteristics of God presented earlier, each of the three infinities can be described as uncountable infinities. If the three infinities are the same uncountable infinity, then the equation I mentioned is valid.

[@AfariSharon]

​@@maylingng4107 yeah but the higher orders of infinity cannot be reached through successive additions. The only way you get the higher infinities is through exponents or power sets

[@berkesrobert3616]

Meet the Unitarian Christians: 1. One God, the Father ONLY. Jesus is a Son of God as all Christians, yet set above all By the Father. ("OUR father who art in heaven", not “MY father” or “Me and the father, your 3 in 1 gods in heaven") (The Father God created Jesus’ Y chromosome as a miracle, Mary gave the X. Adam was created from scratch like the universe by the Father. Only Jesus this way.) (Jesus learned to talk, had no godly knowledge as a baby. He was truly tested and suffered, he didn't know what will happen exactly, nor how the devil will test him.) (He didn't pray to himself, he didn't call himself good, he did NOT call Peter a Holy Father Pope! He kept Sabbath on Saturday not the Roman pagans' Sunday.) Would you bet heaven and your salvation on the contradictory trinity? Why not just say you are unsure and leave it out? ("Do not add to the Bible", "Do not mislead children") Same way the Pharisees thought born again was literal, God+Jesus=1 is literal? I have news, Adam+Eve=1 too, yet separate souls!

[@Btglow87]

My son is going through catechesis right now and your videos are perfect length and format for him to understand these topics. Keep up the good work sir.

[@TutorIpadjumper]

This was one of the most confusing topics of the Bible. Thank you for making it so clear! (im talking mostly on the heresies which were the questions I had)

[@2besavedcom-7]

Another one of the hundreds already in the comments that makes the title of this video misleading... 1.) It isn't logical. 2.) It isn't Biblical. If you need some source OUTSIDE the Bible to "explain" it to you, then there's a problem.

[@Hannestv4607]

Trinity = God + God's Word + God's Spirit! = 1 God Tauhid = Allah + 2 eternal uncreated eternal things (partners (Word of Allah and spirit of Allah) next to the Islam book god! = 3 gods The Word is even the creator according to the book of Islam = a second creator god who exists forever!

[@elbron7595]

@@2besavedcom-7 you are wrong

[@2besavedcom-7]

@@elbron7595 - About which? 1.) the hundreds of comments in this video alone (and almost every Christian I've met) are proof that it's NOT logical in that no one seems to understand it. 2.) The Trinity creation always need an OUTSIDE source other than Scripture to explain it (hence this video). Every scholar admits that the "comma johanneum" is an ADDED text, so other than that, there's little evidence of a Trinity unless you read it INTO (eisegesis) the Text.

[@elbron7595]

@@2besavedcom-7 1) Plenty of people seem to understand it and you are just saying that to appear "right" in your head. Please stop lying to yourself, understanding the trinity doesn't mean we can comprehend it, just like we can't comprehend God's eternalness or omipotence etc. 2) The trinity does not need an outside source and even if it does, that doesn't mean it isn't true. To interpret the Bible correctly at all requires outside sources due to different cultural, historical, and political differences and contexts at the times each book was written. This is why we look to the church fathers, church history, Apostolic tradition, and recorded history to better understand each situation and book.

[@NonamenoHAndle000]

God is so powerful. Last night, I wasn’t sure how I would explain the Trinity to a non-believer. Without even needing to search it up, this pops up on my phone today. God is good.

[@TheStonksGuy]

An amazing video talking about an important subject with the best thumbnail I've seen all day.

[@darrionighodaro7914]

The 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 argument never fails to make me laugh 😭😭

[@wes4736]

I just hit them back with the 1×1×1=1. As they're all one God, it's multiplying by itself. God cubed if you will. The math doesn't perfectly align with the theology but it does a good job.

[@darrionighodaro7914]

@@wes4736 Yeah I use that as well, all their arguments are so simpleminded

[@Astraic100]

​@@wes4736 the 1x1x1 doesnt make sesne, use this argument: Water has 3 states= Solid, Liquid and Gas, all of them are water, and even when you split them apart, they are all still individually water

[@Astraic100]

​@@darrionighodaro7914the 1x1x1 doesnt make sesne, use this argument: Water has 3 states= Solid, Liquid and Gas, all of them are water, and even when you split them apart, they are all still individually water.

[@TitusFlavius11]

@@Astraic100that’s MODALISM, Patrick!

[@whatevermeh776]

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Isa 9:6

[@rh-tj7fx]

Notice the singularity in the verse here. He is THE mighty God. He is THE everlasting father. The revelation of Jesus Christ to come is that HE (Jesus) is the father. They are not separated into multiple parts or persons if you will

[@johannthedeceitful5968]

I have to remember that one the next time someone does an Arianism

[@AeroZeppelin998]

@@rh-tj7fx While Jesus Is God, He is NOT the same person as The Father. But, The Father and The Son are both God.

[@tomasrocha6139]

The Davidic King is called "God" in the Psalms, it's not literal

[@Ryan_Nath]

So, Jesus is the everlasting Father ?

[@The_guy_called_John-s7q]

I am so excited for the new video's where the trinity is in the Old Testament. Keep the work going man👍

[@ClaudeWhITey]

Was thinking the same thing.

[@annemurphy9339]

Sam Shamoun has some excellent lectures online showing the trinity in scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

[@anto69-420]

It is not. The end.

[@faycalboutam8705]

well keep waiting because it's not there! lol

[@rh-tj7fx]

It’s not in the Old Testament. Every instance of God’s revelation of his character and nature to man is of one being, not of 3 beings in heaven. And Jesus fulfills that 100%

[@jacobvhs]

Recently I watch a lot of videos from Bible translators and I’ve heard angels were rejected in the past until monotheism became more solid and they became actual servants of God. Therefore - maybe Trinity could not be fully revealed in the past because it may cause worshipping each person separately? Anyway, as some people say: “If you think you truly understand God, it means you misunderstand him completely.”

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

BASED Trinitarian Orthodoxy

[@medameg]

hi, why orthodoxy? why sects at all?

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

@@medameg orthodox in a doctrinal sense, not a in a denominational sense

[@medameg]

@@Thatoneguy-pu8ty thanks for the new vocab, orthodoxy as in default christianity, got it

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

@@medameg not a problem have a nice day

[@nasquamastudios]

John 17:3 talks about the importance of knowing the one true God. The idea that God would not only be unknowable (as shown by the video's mentioning of the incomprehensibility of the Trinity) but that belief in the Trinity is necessary to be considered a Christian is completely unbiblical and asinine. Let's look at John 17:20-24 as a simple example of the false nature of the Trinitarian doctrine. In these verses, Christ is offering his prayer to the Father on behalf of those who believe on Him, praying that they "may be one, even as [He and the Father] are one." If the oneness between the Father and the Son is a oneness of essence or substance, wherein they are of one essence but merely divided into three different persons, then wouldn't this essentially mean that Christ is praying that His followers also become God by sharing in this oneness which he already shares with the Father? Not even that His followers become gods but that they literally become God, just as He is supposedly God in the Trinitarian sense? Common sense would obviously tell any rational person no, but Trinitarian Christians are essentially trapped by this verse (especially since many of them erroneously believe that it is inherently sinful to want to be like God, ignorantly citing the creation story and Lucifer's temptation of Eve to do so). Whereas these verses contradict the Trinitarian conception of the oneness of God, they are entirely consistent with the Latter-day Saint conception of the oneness of God. The video's creator erroneously stated that Latter-day Saints are polytheistic (by the way, the Bible could technically be just as easily considered polytheistic, e.g. Psalms 82:1 and Psalms 97:9, but that's sort of a different conversation). By contrast, I will rightly assert that Latter-day Saints are NOT polytheistic and rather worship one God/Lord; we simply believe that this oneness of God is defined differently from the Trinitarian conception of God's oneness. Rather than believing that God is "one essence in three persons," whatever that means, Latter-day Saints understand that the oneness between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is a perfect unification of their love, will, and purpose. They are therefore three distinct beings who can be worshipped (monotheistically, arguably) as one God. With this conception of oneness, John 17:20-24 makes perfect sense. Christ is praying that his followers may be united in their love, will, and purpose, as He is already united with the Father in that same sense. How beautiful, actually. All of the other verses proclaiming Christ's oneness with the Father throughout the scriptures also fit into this framework. No, the Bible is not Trinitarian. The Trinity was a false doctrine constructed long after Christ's mortal ministry that was intended as a means by which Christianity could be reconciled with Platanist theistic philosophy. Many who believe in the Trinity are commendable for desiring to do so in order to worship God in all of His glory, but they are misguided in doing so. And then, many others will condemn the worshippers and followers of Christ for being destined to burn in hell forever just because they don't believe in this clearly unbiblical, incomprehensible, man-made, false doctrine. This sort of idea is a great example of one of the many ways that many Christians "draw near unto [God] with their ears, but their hearts are far from [Him]." No, Latter-day Saints are not polytheists. Yes, Latter-day Saints are Christians (who DO believe in a different Jesus from many Christians, admittedly, because we believe in the BIBLICAL Jesus instead of some man-made Trinitarian Jesus). No, disbelief in the Trinity will not condemn people to hell. I'd like to understand the perspective of Christian content creators like this guy but it's kind of difficult to do so when he hurls such bad-faith straw mans at the Restored Gospel. At least criticize us for what we actually believe if you're going to criticize us.

[@bctalicorn809]

The part of the doctrine of the Trinity that I get hung up on is this: If Jesus is only the son, and he can't be the Father and the Holy Spirit, then why did the apostles primarily baptize in Jesus name after he told them specifically to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Because it seems to me that the apostles were equating Jesus to the Father and the Spirit by making such a proclamation.

[@Nexus_pro9373]

He is equal because they are all one God

[@prodigalsonposts]

read the Didache (Apostle document from 50-70 AD), essentially, they weren't baptizing in Jesus name as a baptismal formula, rather, it was to distinguish itself from John the Baptists' baptism. The apostles always baptized into the name of "The Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" according to 1st century history. Either full immersion or pouring 3 times.

[@bctalicorn809]

@@prodigalsonposts I understand that it was to differentiate, but if what Luke wrote down was a direct quote from Peter, then what he said to the masses after the outpouring of the spirit seems a little conflicting. Because that's the first time that doctrine was spoken over the masses. If that was a shorthand way of writing it, then there is no reason it wasn't also what was spoken when baptizing. I just think it's not taking the word as plainly as it's been written, is all. And the term that's used for "baptism" at that time only referred to one type of baptism, which was being submerged in a bed of water, like a river. In any case, it just seems misleading to say we know for a fact the apostles baptized without verbally speaking Jesus name when that's how it's documented most every time. And if they did that, then is it possible that they had a different understanding of Jesus than we do currently?

[@prodigalsonposts]

@@bctalicorn809 we know the way the apostles baptized because we have the Didache, from 70 AD. Apostolic document, and it says concerning baptism that one should either fully immerse or POUR 3 times - in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

[@John_Six_Twenty-Nine]

The way I see it, and it may not be correct, is that "in the name of Father, Son , and Spirit" means "in the name of God" God (Jehovah) in the Old testament is also known by his name with his character/attributes eg Jehovah-Rafa or Jehovah-Jirah meaning "God is my healer" and "God is my redeemer", ie they are acceptable names for him. Since Jesus (Yehoshua) means "God is my salvation," it would be an equally valid name for the God described in the Old Testament

[@prodbykenshi304]

The problem with the trinity is that Jesus said that he was forsaken by God. If he is God then how can he forsake himself? If God needs to transform into a human or send down a part of himself to be a human in order to complete a certain tasks that in turn means that God is not all powerful because if there's even one thing that requires God to become a human then at least in that particular instance humanity becomes superior to God because we can all agree that God is all knowing and thus takes the best approach and if that approach requires the limitation of his power then he can't be all powerful

Something being complicated does not mean it is not true. Often truth is very complex. Only lies can always be simple.

[@Unitedsteaks.]

The Trinity is very comprehendible and easy to understand specially through analogies I do not know why you guys make it seem like a big topic but I don't think it's really true I mean the god in Christianity is not really a god worthy of worship for example he gave babies cancer and women cramps because eve decided to eat from an Apple tree that he knew she would eat from Yahweh also have done a lot of terrible things he reflects more of a human nature than that of a Divine being worthy of worship I am sorry I'm not trying to disrespect Christianity but I don't think it's really logical to worship session evil God there is no difference between the God in Islam or Judaism or Christianity they're all very bad people

[@W8RIT1]

Untrue...lies can be confusing...and the truth is simple.

@@W8RIT1 If truth is simple then give me the proof to Goedel's incompleteness theorem in a single sentence, no longer than ten words.

@@Unitedsteaks. You are wrong on every step here pal. 1. The trinity cannot be understood thru analogies, as trinity is a mystery. 2. God is worthy of worship, because he created us, and gave us the world. 3. "There are bad things in the world as consequence of sin! THAT IS UNFAIR" - this is very childish view of the world. First off even if adam and eve were the ones who sinned, look at the humanity afterwards - they killer, murdered, pillaged, started wars. And we continue to this day to do it. We did not stop being evil. And most people do not do anything to stop all the evil that is hapening in the world, they are actively aiding it. 4. If a baby dies due to cancer, but would commit no sin, it dies sinless, so it is a merciful end. But it is a trial for those who do still live. You are one of those people, for whom this is a trial, and you failed it. God is the only person who has the right of rule over life and death of any person. Maybe the baby that died, would be a second Hhitler, maybe second Einstein, it does not matter. When God takes a life, he has authority to do so, so saying that it is evil, is like saying that judge putting someone in jail for their crime is evil. God has authority to do so, so it is his prerogative. If you really cared about the life of the children with cancer, you would either pray for them, or become a doctor, and try to find a cure for cancer. You don't. You just use this as an argument to cover up your misdeeds.

[@Unitedsteaks.]

Trinity is 3 in 1 there's Alot of things that are 3 in 1 you can use as an analogy and also God knew those humans he created will kill and start wars but created them anyways that's on him not on us lol

[@SalvableRuin]

Most people today don't comprehend the nuance between contradiction and paradox.

[@midimusicforever]

Your channel is gold, man!

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

You should cover old testament trinitarianism more

[@TestifyApologetics]

I have two videos coming up on that very topic

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@TestifyApologetics good boy 😂 I've been studying old testament trinitarianism for a while now. Such as Malachi saying the Lord will send the Lord.

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@1541965 how does a person send a person instead of thyself? What is that? Schizophrenic third person speak? Malachi: 3:1 “I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. (Interjection from Noah, that's John the Baptist) Then suddenly the Lord (Noah interjection, God the son) you are seeking will come to *his* temple; *my* (interjection)messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD (God the father) Almighty. God refers to a he messenger he calls the Lord and a my referring to the self. That gives me multi persons vibes. As my interjections give context. "“I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; my messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD Almighty."

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@1541965 Malachi 3 1 “I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; my messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD Almighty."

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@1541965 unless God's a schizophrenic. He can't send himself if he sends the Lord than calls himself Lord. The messenger too being lord

[@micheledicecioc]

The trinity is real👍

[@JoshD8705]

No the Trinity is a lie, just like Mormonism, Jehovah witnesses, and Muslims. It's not in scripture scripture teaches our God manifested in flesh to reconcile the world to himself Jesus is the fullness of God, the express Person, the visible image of the invisible, and the Alpha and Omega.

[@bubblegumgun3292]

real false garbage

[@JoshD8705]

@micheledicecioc Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 9:6 Isaiah 43:10-11 Acts 4:11-12, Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38 Collosians 1:15-19, Collosians 2:9, Revelation 1:8 Revelation 1:18. Jesus is Yahweh, not a separate person. He is the Only God.

[@micheledicecioc]

@@JoshD8705 i know, in fact i said that the Trinity is real👍

[@samppakoivula9977]

Why?

[@OrthoLou]

I love this monarchia of the father/non-filioque image you've used! ☦️🙏

[@TestifyApologetics]

I almost went more into Monarchianism but didn't. Definitely the superior Trinity model

[@OrthoLou]

​@@TestifyApologetics I'd love to see you converse with some Orthodox apologists and scholars!

[@mr.knightthedetective7435]

Attributes are concepts and not persons, once you put person into question of God everything falls apart, a person is its own distinct entity and therefore even if Trinity is divine by the same amount, each person of it is its own distinct god

[@moayad80]

Thanks for the clarification. That makes so much more sense now if you don't think about it

[@WyattStrange]

The problem people have with understanding the Trinity, is that they keep trying to apply human and physical constraints to God who is above such things.

[@JudeOne3Four]

There is no such thing as trinity in Scripture *at all.* It is a philosophical concept (not a teaching) pushed on the Scriptures by mainly *abusing* the Gospel of John. The Israelites were no trinitarians and neither were Jesus Christ and the Apostles. They worshipped one God >>> The Father! Can you prove me wrong from the Scriptures?

[@RMCbreezy]

The problem with the holy spirit is its mentioned like 5 times and capitalized like only once. If it was coeternal and coequal it would be capitalized

[@kashmirandal6282]

@@JudeOne3Four And they also worshipped Jesus Christ. I won't use the Gospel of John for this one. Matthew 3:13-17 - in the Baptism of Christ, there are obviously three persons. Those three persons are described as God, time and time again.

[@kashmirandal6282]

@@RMCbreezy Those are modern Bibles. Capitalization, if I'm not mistaken, didn't even exist back when the original manuscripts were being written in Hebrew.

[@somerandom3247]

Apparently your god is beyond logical consistency.

[@MatthewFearnley]

I'm not sure if I would say the Trinity is a salvation-level issue (happy to be proven wrong). But you do at least have to accept the sufficiency of Christ's death and resurrection to redeem us from sin. EDIT: Ok, thanks for the many responses. I will have a think about them.. To be clear, I myself believe in the Trinity.

[@Summercamp1sland]

I would say it is because it’s clearly God and to deny it is to deny God

[@iAmBadAtRodding]

Yeah sure thing buddy, having the wrong God is totally not a salvation-level issue

[@ProfessorPrel]

Basically, the trinity just explains how Jesus can both be God and the son of God. So if you dont belive it, you dont belive Jesus is God

[@koderamerikaner5147]

You can't accept Christ's sacrifice unless you acknowledge He is God.

[@nickmartin6116]

It is a salvation level issue for those capable of adult rational function claiming to believe in Christ. Without believing in the trinity, you fall to one of many heretical ideaologies that lead you to a different god. Out of curiosity, what do you believe?

[@brandenmarcum430]

Okay, Testify, let’s discuss. What is a “deity”? I’m not talking about the one true God, just, what is the definition of the word “deity”? Aside from the obvious being “a god or goddess” the next most accurate definition is THIS: *divine status, quality, or nature* So if a person has a divine nature, that person is a deity. The problem with “three persons” sharing one divine nature, means that each of those persons are divine. Three persons, each with the same divine nature. In other words, three deities. But then you go ahead and say “it’s not three deities, it’s three divine persons sharing the same nature”. What is that nature? Divinity. It’s circular logic! “God can’t be three gods because he’s only one god”. Okay, so there’s not three divine persons, there’s only one divine person, who is God. “No, there’s one God, expressed in three divine persons”. I mean it feels like the Sponge Bob meme with Patrick denying that the wallet isn’t his. Three divine persons, mean three deities. But there aren’t three deities, there’s only one deity, expressed in three divine persons. And your go-to reasoning is “God is infinitely larger than us, so he doesn’t have to make sense”? You cannot be intellectually honest with yourself and make the same awful claim that C.S. Lewis makes. The Son IS the Father. I am mind, body, and spirit. God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. This isn’t partialism, because that’s saying God is in three thirds. God is not in thirds, he’s 1/1, not 3/3. Humans are 1/1, not 3/3. This isn’t modalism, because God doesn’t cease being the Father when he is the Son. Saying that there are three divine persons, only to say that there are not three gods but only one God, is insane circular logic. And when called out on it, your reasoning is “God is greater than I am, he doesn’t have to make sense”. Huh? That’s poor logic for a poor argument. Jesus is the Father. He’s called The everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6. Case closed. He says “I and my Father are one”. If he was claiming “I and my Father are united in will”, that wouldn’t have been blasphemy in the eyes of the Jews. Many of the Jews believed they too were one with the Father’s will. Yet they stoned Jesus because they interpreted him as saying “I am God”. So saying “I am united with God”, means “I am God”? I doubt it. “I am God” means “I am God”. “I and my Father are one”, Jesus is claiming to be the Father. “My Father is greater than I”, “My mind is greater than my body”. Honestly- it just infuriates me that everyone spreading the main doctrine of the Trinity around can’t hold a debate with me on this. I prove how circular their logic is and they ghost me. Testify, please hold a debate with me.

[@zacharybalean]

@@brandenmarcum430 Hello and thank you for this comment, I have been researched alot on this topic, and your comment sums up the conclusion I feel like Im coming too. This view on the God Head, as the Bible calls it, seems to be far more concrete and sound than traditional trinitarianism is, however its hard to say that to others without being labeled a "heretic" right away. Praise Jesus Christ and may he be with you now and forever more

[@brandenmarcum430]

@@zacharybalean Honestly, it’s insane how many people shout “HeReTiC!!” when you explain how you interpret the Bible. I’m convinced the main reason many people believe in the 3 persons one essence stuff is because they’re afraid to come to their own conclusions- they’re afraid of being labeled a heretic. I’m not afraid. Jesus was accused of blasphemy and heresy all the time, all because he diverged from their traditional teachings. When I diverge from traditional teachings, and called a heretic, how can I not look at my accusers the same way Jesus did? Jesus didn’t come to replace a set of traditions with a new set of traditions. Jesus never cared for traditions in the first place, nor religion for that matter. Getting upset that I’m committing some sort of heresy by diverging from tradition isn’t an insult to me.

[@zacharybalean]

@@brandenmarcum430 amen brother, well said, freedom in Christ is truly a wonderful thing, Christianity is truth of the world, not just a religion that boils doen to this "doctrine and this "theological point". I really do pray all christians can understand the fullness of that freedom one day, and thank you for your messeges God bless you friend

[@jsupim1]

Jesus prays to the Father. If Jesus is identical to the Father, then he would be praying to himself, which is absurd. Case closed, sorry. Regarding different ways to count personal beings: suppose I am married and 1 year from now I enter a time machine and travel back in time to today. How many husbands does my wife have? There is a bit of a paradox here: in one sense, she has one husband - me. But surely, we can point to two instances of me who are in distinct places. She is indeed married to both instances of me, because both instances ARE me. It would not be a sin for her to have sex with either of "me", because she is indeed married to both, who are the same being. Now you can imagine the same with God, except He is not bound by time so He can do the same thing without invoking time travel.

[@brandenmarcum430]

@@jsupim1 Jesus leads by example. Jesus prays to the Father because he was in a human body. Humans need prayer. Prayer isn’t talking TO God, it’s talking WITH God. “Blessed be the name of the Lord”, Jesus isn’t praising God, no one is praising God when they say that. They’re stating a simple fact, like the sky is blue. “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do”, Jesus is reassuring himself. When he was in the cross, THAT is when Satan tempted him most. Satan wanted Jesus to use his divine and righteous power to smite all of humanity for killing them. The Father is all knowing, why else would Jesus need to say “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do”, wouldn’t the Father already know that? Jesus is praying WITH himself, not to himself. Besides, you never had that inner voice that talks to you? Sometimes I think to myself “Okay, we just gotta do this and get it over with” or sometimes I just think “okay, let’s try this instead”. Who is we? Who is us? No one. I’m just talking to myself. But you’re right, Jesus never prayed to himself because that’s not what prayer is. Prayer is a form of meditation, it’s a way to align yourself with the Father. When Jesus talks with the Father, he’s connecting to his mind. Humans are separated from their higher consciousness, that’s why we need prayer. We need to talk with the Father because we can’t talk to ourselves. When he says “My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?”, he doesn’t actually feel like God abandoned him, he’s just referencing Psalm 22, fulfilling another prophecy. He’s making sure that people familiar with the Psalm understand that Jesus’s death will lead to great things. And if you hypothetically time traveled and meet a “time remnant” of yourself, then there wouldn’t be two versions of you- there’s only one of you. Even if you meet your past self and stay within the same room, you’re not at two different spots at the same time. To suggest so would mean there’s an infinite amount of you at an infinite amount of spots. By traveling to the past and meeting your past self, there aren’t two of you, there’s still only one of you. Past you has yet to experience the moments you are. Past you looking at you is looking at his own future, it’s HIM. In a room with past you, present you, and past wife, there’s only two people in that room. It’s trippy, I know, but if it were to hypothetically happen like that, that’s what it would be. Your analogy falls short anyways because even if the time remnant is a different person, that’s not how God works. God isn’t in multiple places at the same time, and even if he is operating two avatars, God is already everywhere. He wouldn’t be in two places at the same time. Secondly, if he has two avatars, the two separate bodies would just be considered extensions of God’s true form, like arms connected to a torso. They wouldn’t be considered separate people, because what makes the person is the mind, the higher consciousness. There are not three divine persons. To suggest that there are three divine persons is to suggest three deities. But then you go ahead and say it’s not three gods, it’s only one God, expressed in three persons. Are each of those persons equally divine? Yes? Then there’s three divine persons, meaning three gods. It’s circular logic, and the reasoning to the circular logic is “God is so much greater than me, he doesn’t have to make sense”. Poor reasoning for a poor argument.

[@96Logan]

The Trinity can be a little difficult to grasp, but it's also what makes the most sense when we read the Scriptures. Like you said, numerous times in the Bible we see The Lord our God, the Lord is one. There is easily 1 God that can be seen in the text, but Yeshua (the Son) also calls himself God and was worshipped (something the angels have to blatantly tell people NOT to do). The Holy Spirit breathing through the writers, purifying, sanctifying, and dwelling in believers are "Godly" aspects/jobs so you can't call Him an angel. As well as Jesus proclaiming us to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. That's personally what causes the Trinity to make sense for me.

[@antoinjohnson4146]

I don’t recall Jesus calling himself God, he always called himself the Son of God. It was the Pharisees who thought Jesus was equating himself to the Father, when Jesus never did that. There’s one God who is above all. There’s one Lord/Redeemer Jesus. There’s a different between LORD and Lord.

[@96Logan]

@@antoinjohnson4146 LORD in the old testament is in place of YHWH, who called Himself "I AM who I AM" while speaking to Moses in the burning bush. The Divine Tetragrammaton. "I Am the Bread of Life"- John 6 "I Am the Light of the World." - John 8 "I Am the the Gate of the Sheepfold." John 10 "I Am the Good Shepherd." John 10 "I Am the Resurrection and the Life." John 11 "I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." John 14 "I Am the True Vine." John 15 There are numerous places in the new testament where Yeshua refers to Himself as God. You don't have to believe that He is. Just be honest about His claim. It is clearly evident.

[@antoinjohnson4146]

@@96Logan no you’re overthinking it. I Am is a phrase used to say, I am who I say I am when talking to people. LORD= God’s name Yahawah. Jesus saying “I am” doesn’t equate to I’m God. Jesus knew that he’s Son of God not Almighty God. Jesus said “I am”, he’s referring himself as Son of God, he’s the bread of life, the way, etc because he was sent by God to fulfill that as the Messiah. The Blind man Jesus healed also used the phrase “I am” because he was telling the people that he was the same person because they didn’t believe him at first. I don’t understand why y’all equate Jesus to God when Jesus himself didn’t even say that he was. They are not equal in power.

[@96Logan]

@@antoinjohnson4146 John 10:30 "I and the Father are one." They tried to stone him. “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” verse 33 John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." John 20:28 "Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Titus 2:13 "waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ," 2 Peter 1:1 "Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:" Several times in the Scriptures, Jesus receives worship and never rebukes people for worshipping Him like angels have done. Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17 Luke 24:52 John 9:38 Again, I tell you that you yourself do not have to believe that Jesus is God, but be truthful and consistent with the Scriptures. Jesus claimed to be God. His disciples and followers worshipped Him as God. He was almost stoned because He claimed it, and eventually he went to the cross because of it.

[@antoinjohnson4146]

@ I am truthful and consistent with the scriptures, Jesus was worshipped as the “Son of God” not Almighty God. His disciples had to learn that he was the Christ/Messiah from the Almighty God. John the Baptist who was a prophet from God knew Jesus is the Son of God. Paul, Peter and James all said Jesus is the Son of God and God the Father is Almighty God in their letters. Jesus said “the Father and I are one” because he does the will of the Father and is on the same accord with him as in unity, not because they’re the same being. Even in Matthew 14:33 it says “God’s Son” Jesus was almost stoned because after telling the Pharisees who he was(Son of God), they took it as blasphemy because they were spiritual blinded. Jesus never said he was God to the Pharisees or his disciples so that’s a lie there. Your false doctrine is making Jesus equal to God or Jesus is God. Jesus even said his authority is from the Father so how are equal or the same in power?? Mark 11:29 John 17:3 Jesus even differentiate the only true God from himself as Christ who was sent by God. Men always find a to confuse themselves tho lol. You can even read 1 Peter 1:3. Grace to you from God our Father and the Lord Christ peace.

[@localhamster]

The subject of the Trinity gives me the very novel experience of hearing someone speak a sentence in words that are entirely in English, with proper English grammar and sentence structure, and still feel like I heard a sentence in some ancient dialect of Chinese. I can't even say what I don't understand because I don't even understand it enough to explain what I don't understand about it. Short-circuits my brain entirely. I guess all stupid people are doomed to go to Hell :c

[@KopperNeoman]

If you can't understand, then the Father, Son, and Spirit will not hold it against you. I think a simple analogy would be that my nose is not my eyes are not my mouth, but all three are my face.

[@Thepotatoguy12]

Pls pray for me

[@FutureGoat-rl5zc]

@@Thepotatoguy12 what do u need prayer for my guy?

[@Thepotatoguy12]

@@FutureGoat-rl5zc a better relationship with Jesus

[@FutureGoat-rl5zc]

@@Thepotatoguy12 I got u bro! And trust and believe me when I say the Lord doesn’t want you to worry. It’s good to focus but don’t worry about how it will all turn out. He’ll guide you and be your shepherd if you let him

[@FutureGoat-rl5zc]

@@Thepotatoguy12 Read and mediate on Philippians 4:6-7

[@Thepotatoguy12]

@@FutureGoat-rl5zc thanks

[@derzeichner2192]

Even if the trinity were true, Jesus never preached it outright, nor emphasized its importance. What he DID preach is how we should act and treat each other, and to have faith in him. Believing in this 3rd century catholic doctrine created by Greek philosophers is not necessary to Christianity, nor does it gatekeep anyone from following christ. Just have faith and keep his commandments

[@gipsymelody1268]

Sorry the council of nikea not meant about Trinity… 😅😂 Santa Claus btw was there… also the nikea council made to estebalisging the relationship of the father and son not create it… it existed already in the faith and religion The whole reason was to state Jesus is divine not creation cause of the Arianism…

[@kylejay8493]

Jesus's main focus of his entire preaching is that he was God and came to fulfil God's promise to man from Genesis. You didn't do your research correctly

[@derzeichner2192]

@@kylejay8493 he always said that he was sent to do the wall of the Father, he came to atone for our sins, and implored us all to also keep the father's commandments. Jesus is merciful and taught us all to love and serve each other, even our enemies. I think that Jesus would be much more concerned about how I treat his children and how I follow him in faith than the mechanics of how I worship him. I'll do the best with what I've got, and if that's not enough for him, then may he send me to hell.

[@kylejay8493]

@@derzeichner2192 he still had a main focus on him being the son of God but you do you ig

[@derzeichner2192]

@@kylejay8493 and that's exactly what I believe him to be: The Son of God

[@ChildofGod98765]

Heavenly Father hear my prayers. Give me courage. As a single mother, raising not one but two children on the spectrum I am overwhelmed and I’m constantly struggling to pay bills. Struggling to buy groceries, struggling to do it all. I want to give up however faith is all I have left and faith is all I need. FATHER GIVE ME STRENGTH.

[@JudeOne3Four]

Yes correct, it is always the Father (one person) and never the TRI-nity, ever! Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also *hath highly* EXALTED HIM, and GIVEN HIM *a name which is above every name:* 10 That at the name of Jesus *every knee* should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue *should confess* that Jesus *Christ* is Lord, TO *the glory* OF >>> *God the Father.*

[@michaelg4919]

amazing bro! God bless you!!

[@fernandoformeloza4107]

Another pleasant, yet substantive video. Thanks

[@srinugrohoprahastono7701]

My conclusion from this video. "Blind faith is the only way to understand the Trinity"

[@black.7381]

.... okay

[@prodigalsonposts]

you'd be wrong. I can understand the Trinity with the essence / hypostasis distinction, understanding the meaning of consubstantial, + understanding the 5 notions of the Trinity. Zero blind faith.

[@srinugrohoprahastono7701]

​@@prodigalsonposts teach me ❤

[@2besavedcom-7]

Another one of the hundreds already in the comments that makes the title of this video misleading... 1.) It isn't logical. 2.) It isn't Biblical. If you need some source OUTSIDE the Bible to "explain" it to you, then there's a problem.

[@prodigalsonposts]

@@2besavedcom-7 1. t is logical. What law of logic does it break? 2. It is biblical. Also, no other view is coherent. 3. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God. 4. The Father and Son have personal relation throughout the New Testament. 5. If they have personal relation they can’t be one person with different modes, that’s illogical, and makes the nature of God schizophrenic

[@TriSoul]

Hey, I've been majorly addicted to these vids and they've taught me a lot! Could you do some covering the Talmud perchance?

[@TestifyApologetics]

what specifically in the Talmud do you want covered?

[@isimsizanimator1291]

5:03 i am former muslim , i'll explain that with monarchy king of germany , france , england , sweden . think about 1 person hold thesee titles . this is how that works many titles 1 god

[@samppakoivula9977]

Doesn't explain anything, you can't explain something abstract fully with some titles, that could be possible

[@MilaneseMoon]

Austrian Painter, Fuhrer, Counselor of Germany 😂😂 are also all one person

[@MilaneseMoon]

@@samppakoivula9977just did ^

[@urnormalnutshellanimator6606]

if youre ex muslim then answer: how many raakats in wudu

[@MilaneseMoon]

@@urnormalnutshellanimator6606 How many rakats in aisha? 🤓

[@holymystic4490]

Love this, I'm looking forward to the next video, this really does help with helping to explain the Trinity. A friend I have quit believing in that, and is arian, so this helps with research to help in discussion sometime. Thx, and God Bless ya

[@haggismcbaggis9485]

This is similar to Hindu teachings where Par Brahman is one supreme god and has various manifestations such as Lord Ganesha, the deva of intelligence and wisdom.

[@midlander4]

@@haggismcbaggis9485 yeah, more made-up garbage

[@Elijah-ihoz7]

The trinity is never biblically explained. Christ never explained himself to be apart of a tri personal being

[@Drmyd836]

Luke 24:19

 “What things?” he asked. “About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. Jesusohn 6:14 After the people saw the sign Jesus performed, they began to say, “Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Matthew 21:10-11 When Jesus entered Jesuserusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, “Who is this?” The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.”

[@nocomment3866]

​@@Drmyd836where's the explanation there about trinity?

[@Drmyd836]

@@nocomment3866 There is no explanation of the trinity. It is a lie propagated by church and crystallized in the council of Nicaea 325 AD

[@gipsymelody1268]

@@Drmyd836the nikae council never argued about trinity you barbari but actually the Santa Claus where there! 😁

[@gipsymelody1268]

Not really explained but still there! You can’t explain god…

[@SDsc0rch]

this was actually pretty good

[@HouseOfRosenberg]

New testify video 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@clayfullmer]

Yes, you interpret that it was taught that way. It's a renagotiation with the text to fit your idea.

[@Coconutdoggy173]

Give the Athanasian Creed a read if you want to learn more about the Trinity of God and the two natures of Jesus Christ.

[@swampfox8379]

Most arguments against the Trinity are “It doesn’t make sense to me therefore it’s not true”.

[@maksim3417]

Literally

[@PinkBroBlueRope]

Uneducated protestant here. I still really don't understand. 1. Who specifically is the holy spirit, what do they look like? 2. Why isn't there any explicit mention of God being three persons in the Bible if this is the case? 3. Again, why did Jesus pray to God (the Father and the Holy Spirit I guess) for anything, if he is 100% God and can do anything those two can?

[@majormohitsharma7701]

All the answers are biblically given by the authors. Let me briefly mention it. 1) holy spirit is the third person of the Godhead. Means he is not a power or some energy like many believe it. And he is not a robot. Because if you read the scripture you will know the holy spirit has emotions. 2) There are mentions of God being three persons. And there are verses where it says clearly that God is two persons. Such as genesis 19:24. 3) well prayer is a communication. And jesus is not in the same state as he was before he became a man. So now he has to communicate though the prayer. And he is not the father and the son thats why he is praying to them. We can also find apostles praying to the spirit of the God. We can also find the father praying to jesus in Hebrews 1:8-12.

[@KopperNeoman]

@@majormohitsharma7701 The Holy Spirit is the guy who held me close when I was at my most frightened last year.

[@dakotabowman13]

BECAUSE JESUS IS GOD. God is ultimately One. There is no trinity (Colossians 2:9, Deuteronomy 6:4, John 10:30 and John 10:30 means ONE as in the same.) 1 Timothy 3:16 is a great verse too. Listen to a podcast named "Biblos", it is wonderful in the Truth and Doctrine of God. "Oneness: A response to a Trinitarian" is a wonderful episode declaring the Oneness of God and showing His power and Glory. Do not become indoctrinated by mans/pagan doctrines. Discover and see the fullness of God and His Glory through Jesus Christ, whom is He also.

[@dakotabowman13]

Also in response to the prayer. Jesus Christ was 100% man and is 100% God. The reason for the prayer, not only to be an example among His people on how to rely on Him, but also His flesh crying out to the Spirit. Nonetheless He was a man and man was created by God to rely on God so there's that for His fleshly body, but what is unique about the man Christ Jesus is that the Spirit of God dwelt within Him FULLY. Therefore His flesh was spotless, sinless. He knew NO sin. His prayers was His flesh naturally needing God but also being an example. He prayed it loud enough for someone to hear, to record it. There is a mighty reason for all Jesus has done and is doing right now. God bless

[@majormohitsharma7701]

@@dakotabowman13 When you don't know about the bible then you should not speak. Because now I will show you from the old testament where God is more than one person. And you have to explain all the verses that show God is not one person. 1) genesis 19:24. Explain to me genesis 19:24.

[@supermaxy2649]

Understanding the Trinity in real life is like having one family where you have the father, the mother and a child. They have different roles and distinct people but they are in unity in one family. You cannot say a father equals to one family; a mother equals to one family; a child equals to one family in total of 3 families.

[@liamdoyle2828]

Careful, this is modalism and/or partialism ... Watch more vids to help sort it out...

[@supermaxy2649]

@@liamdoyle2828 I can use plenty of examples in daily life not just this one to understand the Trinity. Don't worry about it.

[@liamdoyle2828]

@@supermaxy2649 yeah... Ice, water, steam - modalism Three leaf clover, partialism Different roles that people have (son, father, brother) - modalism Just about all examples fall into a heretical camp - maybe, just maybe, God is leading you through all that, as most of us have to at some point or another - just see how each example is inadequate, it helps move us towards truth. Blessings

[@dakotabowman13]

That fact that the many different ways to explain the trinity could be heretical. God is solely and ultimately One. There is no three persons. GOD IS NOT EVEN A PERSON. He is a Spirit. The Spirit that dwelt FULLY in the man Christ Jesus. Jesus Christ is God for this reason and man because His flesh. Denying such things is against God and His Doctrine. Do you not think the Jews whom were raised up believing in their God, would not understand the prophecies of the prophets and would not know the God they walked with? They understood Jesus through and through, and realized that He is the I Am. The God of Abraham, in flesh. They knew He is the One God. Look at Paul even. A Pharisee of Pharisees who knew the Oneness of God and accepted and knew that Jesus was in fact the Christ. If he believed in a trinity it would contradict EVERYTHING He knew. Yet He said Christ fulfilled the Law. He knew the Oneness of the God, Jesus Christ whom He was a servant to. God is One, and Jesus Christ is He

[@liamdoyle2828]

@@dakotabowman13 If you can explain God and understand Him, you don't have God you have your own idea. check out the Jewish Two Powers in Heaven Book by Alan F. Segal - Segal shows that even in the Old Testament YHWH is One but more than One Person.

[@mgraham2133]

Good explanation brother. 👏🏾

[@anangelsdiaries]

This is a half-baked thought I have yesterday as I struggled to fall asleep. If you start from the presupposition that existence requires an observer, a triune God is also perfectly logical. As within that entity, you'd need at least two entities for each to observe the other and confirm that they they do exist, and then a third to observe the "Is" and "Is Not" (to serve as discriminator if you will) between the two entities and in a silly sense giving them form and specify where one starts and the other ends (or at least to observe that fact.) Beyond three, you have observers of a self contained relationships, so not needed. Three becomes the perfect number for the number of people you'd expect an entity that was there before all things existed to have. Now, I am NOT saying that's how God is! But that's just a thought that flashed in my head yesterday as I fell asleep at 3am.

[@cyber-7878]

This makes sense if you believe in divine simplicity (God's essence is the same as his attributes) which gives you axioms that you can throw a shitton of formal logic at Spinoza-style to create a plausible explanation for everything that isn't explicitly stated in scripture.

[@Fury851]

"Trinity don't make sense, so I'll be a Muslim " 🙄

[@nocturnalardency]

Hey brother, I'm feeling really confused. For nearly two months, I've been searching for the truth about Islam and Christianity. I've watched several of your videos that resonate with me, as well as some from other Muslims that also make sense. Could you please make a video explaining why Christianity is the only true path and provide some proof? I'm currently a Muslim and considering converting to Christianity. Thanks in advance!

[@stephengray1344]

It would be easier to help you work out where you stand if you gave some details about what arguments you are considering. When it comes to why Christianity should be considered the only true path, the main reason for saying that is because it's what Jesus claimed. One example of this would be John 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." All four gospels have multiple instances where Jesus claims to be divine. And the resurrection is a pretty good demonstration that he was telling the truth. The most important differences between Islam and Christianity are their different views of Jesus. Christians believe that Jesus was the person his first generation of followers unanimously agreed him to be, and point to the texts they wrote as evidence. Muslims believe that Jesus was not this person, and instead trust the claims of a man six centuries removed from the events. Who claimed to have received his revelation from an angel, rather than from eyewitnesses. There are numerous reasons not to trust this later claimed revelation, some of it instances where the Quran very obviously gets its facts wrong and some of it being what the Hadith and other early Islamic literature say about Mohammed himself.

[@theologyroom]

"why Christianity is the only true path and provide some proof? I'm currently a Muslim and considering converting to Christianity." I was a Christian for 15 years before becoming a Muslim. I know you didn't ask me, and you're free to make your choices in life, but why would you convert to Christianity, a religion that can't even explain who or what God is? Christians believe God became a man, Jesus, and that Jesus (God) died on the cross. At the same time, they'll say God never died because God is immortal and everlasting. So they have a God who died and a God who did not, but somehow there's still one God. Does any of this make sense to you?

[@theologyroom]

@@stephengray1344 "When it comes to why Christianity should be considered the only true path, the main reason for saying that is because it's what Jesus claimed. One example of this would be John 14:6 "I am the way and the truth and the life..." So the reason why Christianity is true is because the Christian scriptures say it's true?

[@stephengray1344]

@@theologyroom Please don't strawman my comments. I was pointing out that Jesus claimed that following him was the only way to God. This leaves us with two possibilities. Either Christianity is true and it is the only way to God, or Christianity is false, and nothing that Jesus said tells us anything about God.

[@massimobirardi1379]

​@@theologyroom such a stupid argument. Jesus died in human form to be reborn 3 days later: it's human body died, He did not. Then again, the point is not if it's simple but if it's real: I don't care about something simple but wrong.

[@darklordmathias9405]

There are a lot of misconceptions made about the Bible that the general public has believed for many years. For example, the 4 horseman of the apocalypse. People wrongly believe that they are "Pestilence", War, Famine, and Death. This is, however, factually incorrect. Simply look at the verses, specifically this one: "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." Does that SOUND like Pestilence? Where is the mention of spreading disease and sickness? There isn't one. Will there be any disease? Yes. Is there a horseman for it? No. Now let's think about this verse for a second. This horseman is "given a crown" like he is a false king, and sets out to conquer the world. Sounds a lot to me like it's false Religion, NOT Pestilence. Never forget that the Council of Nicea chose what was, and wasn't, allowed in the Bible, and that that was long after the Messiah had returned to Heaven. And He said that there would be wolves in the Church. We already have examples of this. There are whole Churches doing things God said not to do. These "pride" flags being allowed to wave on Church buildings is enough to make me sick. People need to stop studying ABOUT the Bible, and need to start studying the Bible itself. Reading one guy's book about his thoughts on the Bible is not the same as reading it itself. May the Messiah show you all the way to Him. Have a great day.

[@dakotabowman13]

Jesus Christ is the MIGHTY God and He is solely One.

[@Pepe_2345]

In short: The nature of God is cosmically complicated, you don't understand the trinity? Congratulations, you have reached the end of human understanding.

[@HervinQuintanilla]

Yes, Amen! Hallelujah! May all Glory and Honour be to Beloved LORD, Dad Jesus, God Almighty! 😁🩶💯🙏😇

[@astutik8909]

What assylum.are you commenting from?

[@Aircooldude521]

God also referred to himself to with multi pronouns too, all the back in Genesis.

[@newme1589]

Fun fact, Allah also says "We" in the qur'an, but he is just one ... Interesting.

[@nateruiz2823]

John 3:16. God sent his son. Does not say God came down

[@Crustyshrimp99]

exactly

[@JustAParodyOfTheEntBiz]

Genesis 1:26 "Let Us make man in Our image, in Our likeness."

[@JacobWillits]

Gods talkin to himself. He is the holy spirit. He is jesus and theres the key part that is everywhere all the time since forever until forever but god never changes always was how is so Jesus was always there also so was the holy spirit theyre 1 god 1 entitity 3 parts. Its not a trinity its more like a head and two hands for one body.

[@BORNAGAINCHRISTIAN7]

​@@JacobWillits correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that partialisim?

[@JudeOne3Four]

Everybody with a clear mind, reading Genesis 1:1 to verse 26 and beyond will never come to the conclusion of a three person god, ever! *Septuagint* Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold *I* have given to you every seed-bearing herb sowing seed which is upon all the earth... Genesis 2:2 And God finished on the sixth day *his* works which *he* made, and *he* ceased on the seventh day from all *his* works which *he* made. See, the context refutes you. You cannot take a verse out of context?! God is always adressed with single personal pronouns and never with plural pronouns, ever!! In Genesis 1:26 God was not alone, the angels rejoiced and praised God when He made the stars (Job 38:7). So the angels where there. God was talking with plural of majesty, He was making an announcement to His holy angels about the creation of the first man. Adam was made in God's own image and likeness. Adam was one person! God is our Heavenly Father, Father is One Person!

[@Jayred05]

Martin Loyd Jones once said “ if God was one person then you could actually have true love with yourself but if God is three persons true love must exist between persons” Amen

[@gusap8123]

1 John 4:12 NASB1995 [12] No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.

[@alexanderh2345]

Deuteronomy 6:4 - in order to understand the meaning of echad we must look at the context of the passage. When doing this, it is abundantly clear that echad does not mean “compound unity” but one in the cardinal sense. If you’re going to refute modalism, please get the beliefs of modalism correct first. I have yet to meet a trinitarian who can. In this whole video, you failed to show where the trinity is taught. All you have is personal inference, but no actual doctrine.

[@itself227]

I have never understood the trinity but I do enjoy a YT video that tries to explain it.

[@2besavedcom-7]

Another one of the hundreds already in the comments that makes the title of this video misleading... 1.) It isn't logical. 2.) It isn't Biblical. If you need some source OUTSIDE the Bible to "explain" it to you, then there's a problem.

[@itself227]

@@2besavedcom-7 YT will not allow me to say what I want in response to you. So I’ll just leave it at this: people like you legitimize the hate the Christian community receives How can the trinity not be biblical, but the need for a non-biblical explanation be problematic? Do you even speak English?

[@2besavedcom-7]

@@itself227 - Been to Bible College, learned the ancient languages, spent the last 35 years perfecting my translation skills and undoing the nonsense taught by Christianity. It has been said that one probably couldn't fit one more wafer of paganism into Christianity so Christianity brings the derision upon itself. Come out from the "Mother of Whores."

[@newme1589]

Its not logical in the human sense sure, thats why God is omnipotent and divine, He can do whatever He wants. Now, its 100% biblical, Father is God its obvious, then Jesus being God is slightly less obvious, but its there, for example he actively accepts worship as God when Thomas touches His wounds. You dont need outside references to show the holy trinity, just read the Bible, the concept is there

[@itself227]

@@newme1589 what about the Holy Ghost? Why would that be a separate thing?

[@averyjudd1281]

I’m Jewish but in my Jewish studies class we had a catholic teacher come in and she explained it as, “god in heaven, god on earth, and god inside someone”. That helped me understand it even though personally I don’t believe it

[@somerandom3247]

This video explains that that's not what is happening. It is 3 separate beings, not the same being taking different forms.

[@averyjudd1281]

@@somerandom3247 that is just how I heard it

[@sainiroopreddy4852]

Meanwhile Sanatan dharma (Hinduism) the oldest religion with the most amount of proves and scientific knowledge believes in Trinity (Lord vishnu the preserver & operator,Lord brahma the creator,Lord shiva the Destroyer

[@itsbwise]

Amazing content, keep it up!

[@Maddy-c8v7d]

Christians don't have any logical reasoning of how trinity works and this video didn't give a good logical reason how trinity works he just went to his Bible and talked through it which is irony. If any Christian wants to argue then come respectfully.

[@byronbuchanan3066]

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Listen Israel, the LORD our God is ONE". Hmmm, it didn't say three.

[@waitstill7091]

Progressive revelation indoctrination! "Do not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it, to observe the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2

[@dakotabowman13]

Amen! The trinity is the root of all false doctrine, the harlot drinking the blood of the saints. We need Truth in this day and hour for God is coming back soon

[@ФилипЂукић]

Trinity is One.

[@dakotabowman13]

@@ФилипЂукић That literally makes absolutely no sense, and just cause it makes no sense doesn't make it a mystery. God is solely and only One. The word trinity implies multiple parties.

[@maksim3417]

​@@dakotabowman13you are absolutely retarded my brother. Trinity literally means 3 united in 1 And the video literally addresses your argument.

[@eliasziad7864]

John 1:1 isnt the words of Jesus. Plus jews never ever believed in the concept of trinity and only believed in one God, so you are saying that God was perfectly fine with that for 1500 years and never called them out on it?

[@ChristIsLordofAll-xb6xv]

1. Does it make it invalid even though it’s John’s writing? If so, then why trust John on anything, even when he quotes Jesus? 2. Just because the Jews didn’t have a complete understanding of the nature of God doesn’t mean they were somehow incorrect and thus God glossed over their faultiness. Many things were hidden from followers of YHWH prior to Jesus’ incarnation, not just the Trinity.

[@rusluck6620]

Lol John was a prophet ordained by who?

[@hermanwooster8944]

The OT has the concept of the LORD, the Word of the LORD, and the Spirit of the LORD. Jewish adherents would say all three are God with no problem.

[@ChristIsLordofAll-xb6xv]

@@hermanwooster8944 Exactly. Plus, the Trinity visited Abraham.

[@DayneStafford]

The problem is that most, especially Muslim apologists, assume that a person is a substance.

[@achristian11]

EXCELLENT WORK BROTHER

[@gregory7406]

So many are deceived. John 17:3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6 disprove the trinity CLEARLY.

[@itself227]

If you are a Christian, what branch, denomination or whatever you wanna call it are you? I’m asking because I don’t believe in the trinity either

[@gregory7406]

@@itself227 I don’t have a church currently. I left my church because they do not stand on the word of God (not specifically talking about the trinity but yes they did believe that). I don’t know any Christian churches that do not believe in the trinity but just believe scripture. Remember let all men be liars but God be true. Also remember how many times we are taught in scripture that many will be deceived and the traditions of men etc.

[@itself227]

@@gregory7406 well said. So do you subscribe to Arianism or do you mind elaborating on what you think the relationship between God and Jesus is?

[@gregory7406]

@@itself227I believe in one God, the Father, YWHW. His literal Son Christ Jesus is the only way to know God. Jesus was begotten and had a beginning, but no end. He existed before the world was with God. Everything in our reality is created by God through Jesus Christ. Before the world was, He was a spirit, the Word of God. He manifested as a human once earth and now is in heaven with the Father on His right hand, also a spirit. That is what scripture teaches if you don’t read any tradition or doctrines of men into it.

[@itself227]

@@gregory7406 thank you sir. Can I ask you to also explain the Holy Spirit?

[@jacobblakely2224]

Also, LORD comes from the Hebrew word "Adonai," which, translated as literally as possible, means "Masters." Also, in Hebrew, you need at least 3 of something to be plural.

[@JudeOne3Four]

No man, Modern Hebrew is a new invented language by the Pharisees. They even call it a magical language. On top of that, all the names of your god >> adonai, elohim, I am, yahweh ect come from the Kabbalah tree of life. This is nothing but Jewish mysticism called the Kabbalah! 👉 *Table of Divine Names Associated with the Ten Sephiroth* Didn't Jesus warn you against the Pharisees? Yes, He did. And now "christians" are spreading Jewish mysticism without even knowing it. That is the reason why they gave us their corrupted version of the OT. This is what the "Rabbi's" call >> The Judaization of Christianity!! The early Christians read the Septuagint OT in Greek from 285 BC and not the corrupted Masoretic Text from 1000 AD!!!

[@Cross40Productions]

Adonai translates to Lord or Master both in singular form... not plural

[@KopperNeoman]

@@Cross40Productions That would be "Adonis" wouldn't it?

[@nasquamastudios]

John 17:3 talks about the importance of knowing the one true God. The idea that God would not only be unknowable (as shown by the video's mentioning of the incomprehensibility of the Trinity) but that belief in the Trinity is necessary to be considered a Christian is completely unbiblical and asinine. Let's look at John 17:20-24 as a simple example of the false nature of the Trinitarian doctrine. In these verses, Christ is offering his prayer to the Father on behalf of those who believe on Him, praying that they "may be one, even as [He and the Father] are one." If the oneness between the Father and the Son is a oneness of essence or substance, wherein they are of one essence but merely divided into three different persons, then wouldn't this essentially mean that Christ is praying that His followers also become God by sharing in this oneness which he already shares with the Father? Not even that His followers become gods but that they literally become God, just as He is supposedly God in the Trinitarian sense? Common sense would obviously tell any rational person no, but Trinitarian Christians are essentially trapped by this verse (especially since many of them erroneously believe that it is inherently sinful to want to be like God, ignorantly citing the creation story and Lucifer's temptation of Eve to do so). Whereas these verses contradict the Trinitarian conception of the oneness of God, they are entirely consistent with the Latter-day Saint conception of the oneness of God. The video's creator erroneously stated that Latter-day Saints are polytheistic (by the way, the Bible could technically be just as easily considered polytheistic, e.g. Psalms 82:1 and Psalms 97:9, but that's sort of a different conversation). By contrast, I will rightly assert that Latter-day Saints are NOT polytheistic and rather worship one God/Lord; we simply believe that this oneness of God is defined differently from the Trinitarian conception of God's oneness. Rather than believing that God is "one essence in three persons," whatever that means, Latter-day Saints understand that the oneness between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is a perfect unification of their love, will, and purpose. They are therefore three distinct beings who can be worshipped (monotheistically, arguably) as one God. With this conception of oneness, John 17:20-24 makes perfect sense. Christ is praying that his followers may be united in their love, will, and purpose, as He is already united with the Father in that same sense. How beautiful, actually. All of the other verses proclaiming Christ's oneness with the Father throughout the scriptures also fit into this framework. No, the Bible is not Trinitarian. The Trinity was a false doctrine constructed long after Christ's mortal ministry that was intended as a means by which Christianity could be reconciled with Platanist theistic philosophy. Many who believe in the Trinity are commendable for desiring to do so in order to worship God in all of His glory, but they are misguided in doing so. And then, many others will condemn the worshippers and followers of Christ for being destined to burn in hell forever just because they don't believe in this clearly unbiblical, incomprehensible, man-made, false doctrine. This sort of idea is a great example of one of the many ways that many Christians "draw near unto [God] with their ears, but their hearts are far from [Him]." No, Latter-day Saints are not polytheists. Yes, Latter-day Saints are Christians (who DO believe in a different Jesus from many Christians, admittedly, because we believe in the BIBLICAL Jesus instead of some man-made Trinitarian Jesus). No, disbelief in the Trinity will not condemn people to hell. I'd like to understand the perspective of Christian content creators like this guy but it's kind of difficult to do so when he hurls such bad-faith straw mans at the Restored Gospel. At least criticize us for what we actually believe if you're going to criticize us.

[@henhol0537]

1. God’s Nature: Relational by Necessity • Love and Relationship: If we assume God is the ultimate source of all things, and if love and relationship are fundamental aspects of existence, it would make sense that these qualities are also essential to God’s nature. Christianity teaches that God is love (1 John 4:8), and love is inherently relational-it requires at least two parties: the lover and the beloved. • Trinity and Eternal Relationship: The Trinity resolves this by teaching that within God’s own being, there is eternal relationship. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have existed in perfect love and relationship for eternity. This satisfies the idea that God is inherently relational, without needing to create other beings just to express love. • Logical Conclusion: If God is eternally loving, then He must have had an eternal object of love. In a strictly unitarian view (like Islam’s view of Allah), there is no eternal relationship within God’s being. Allah would need to create something external (like humans or angels) to express love, making love contingent on creation, which weakens the idea of God as self-sufficient and eternally loving. The Trinity, on the other hand, allows God to be self-sufficient and relational in His very essence.

[@hitman5782]

So this god is love? I guess nobody told this to all the people in Sodom& Gomorrah, or to all the firstborn children in Egypt, or THE WORLDS POPULATION he killed in his genocide flood. Just one question, would a loving person give aids and ebola to helpless starving children in Africa?

[@Cjnw]

No one expects the Minha Inquisition!

[@cruzefrank]

The Bible doesn't support the doctrine and nothing Jewish about the trinity. It comes from paganism. Let's go with the Christian argument. So if Jesus is God why would he say these things? Jesus states only the Father is God John 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." Jesus asks why his God abandoned him Matthew 27:46 "At about three o'clock Jesus shouted with a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" that is, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Mark 15:34 "At the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, “ELOI, ELOI, LEMA SABAKTANEI?” which is translated, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?”" Jesus tells his disciples that he would be going to their God and his God John 20:17 "Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’” If Jesus in heaven as God now. Why would God claim to have a God? In Revelation Jesus states he hadn't found his followers deeds completed in the sight of his God. Revelation 3:2 "‘Be constantly alert, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God." Jesus states the one who overcomes he would make a pillar in the temple of his God. Revelation 3:12 "‘The one who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name."

[@Drmyd836]

Luke 24:19

 “What things?” he asked. “About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. Jesusohn 6:14 After the people saw the sign Jesus performed, they began to say, “Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Matthew 21:10-11 When Jesus entered Jesuserusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, “Who is this?” The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.”

[@cruzefrank]

@@Drmyd836 Luke 6:12 "Now it was at this time that He went off to the mountain to pray, and He spent the whole night in prayer with God."

[@maksim3417]

All of ur arguments have been debunked for thousand years

[@cruzefrank]

@@maksim3417 I'd say for thousands of years those who pointed out scriptures to Trinitarians were either silenced by exile or execution. Trinitarians haven't debunked the scriptures. Trinitarians have silenced the scriptures with dogma. If you study church history the 1st followers of Jesus were Ebionites and Nazarenes who made up the Jerusalem Church and they didn't believe or teach the doctrine of the trinity.

[@maksim3417]

@@cruzefrank Trinity is in the scriptures and the Trinity was made to make sense out of the scriptures which said that: God is one Father is God Jesus is God (For an example, was worshipped multiple times and he didn't mind it at all. So since only God should be worshipped, Jesus is either God or a sinner. We know he's not a sinner so he's God. Unless you have a 3rd possible option?) Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4) So how can God be one being while having separate 3 identities (having an identity = being a person)? That's literally Trinity. 1 being (what you are), 3 persons (who you are) The earliest mentions of it from scholars was from Didache who lived in the first century

[@skeletonkeysproductionskp]

Why stop at 3; by this "logic", "Echad" could mean 10, 100, or even 1000. Adonoi Echad; that is all that was ever needed. Take your pagan idolatry and leave it with the Greeks and Romans

[@jkbugout]

Trinity is not biblical. Nor is it what the earliest Christians believed. See the book Restoring the Biblical Christ for evidence of all that I am saying

[@joshuaparsons887]

Is Jesus the express image of the Father?

[@Fil_the_spil]

God being Infinite makes it all possible.

[@ca8547]

We're created in His image: body, soul, and spirit. Man is 3 in 1.

[@nataliuselyanto210]

I’d love to ask this question. Adam was one person or three persons when he was created?

[@ca8547]

@nataliuselyanto210 body from dust, soul which God breathed into the vessel to make it a living soul and with the Spirit of God. The spirit of God departed from him when he sinned for God is Holy and death is the result of losing God's eternal spirit.

[@nataliuselyanto210]

@@ca8547 That doesn’t answer my question, respectfully. I’m asking if Adam was one singular person or was he three persons.

[@ca8547]

@@nataliuselyanto210 with that query, you also must not understand parables.

[@aaronstately]

Trinity is not Logical though, God is not created, Sons are always created by Fathers. This means is logically impossible for both the Father and Son to exist co eternally in to the past. or for the son to be "uncreated"

[@burningscales]

@@aaronstately Saying “God the Son” and “God the Father” is not the same as me saying that I am my earthly father’s son. Christ is uncreated and is fully God. The Father is uncreated and is fully God. The Son is not less than the Father. These words are used for the benefit of man, as we truly cannot comprehend the structure of The Lord God Almighty.

[@aaronstately]

@@burningscales but it is the same, because its the analogy given so we can understand. thats how good analogy's work. If a divine son is Different than a Human Son then the whole point of having your son be sacrificed is lost, as we can not understand it, and its relevance is lost. we relate to Abraham when he trys to sacrifice Isaac because he only has one... and so on and so forth.

[@KopperNeoman]

@@burningscales Christ is both Created AND unCreated in fact - He's fully Man and fully God. Jesus the man was Created BY God the Son within Mary 2025 years ago (Nine month gestation!) In fact, I believe that is how the Word became the Son. He Created His own Earthly vessel and inhabited it.

[@maksim3417]

Its literally just a metaphor lmao

[@aaronstately]

@@maksim3417 metaphor for what?

[@somerandom3247]

You havent explained how the trinity is logical at all. All you have done is incorrectly dropped the "s" when you say that these 3 different entities are all gods.

[@Drmyd836]

You have to mask your mind and be dumb then you understand.

[@KopperNeoman]

Maybe your god is too weak to be three people, but THE God is not.

[@somerandom3247]

@@KopperNeoman you believe in 3 different gods......

[@maksim3417]

Entities and persons are dofferent

[@somerandom3247]

@@maksim3417 Sure, let's go with persons then. Your 3 different gods are 3 different persons. 1+1+1=3.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

Loligcal? hahahahahaha, no its not logically possible for 3 things to be seperate but the same 1 thing at the same time.

[@mysteriousyoutuber2517]

I get that! It can definitely sound contradictory at first. In the Trinity, though, it’s not about being "three things" in the same way we’d think of separate objects. Instead, Trinitarians believe God is one in essence or being, but this essence exists in three distinct Persons-Father, Son, and Holy Spirit-who aren’t separate but relationally distinct. Think of it like the difference between “what” something is (God’s essence) and “who” they are (Father, Son, and Spirit). This concept doesn’t fit neatly into our usual logical categories, and that’s part of why it’s often seen as a divine mystery, not easily compared to anything in the physical world.

[@Barbara-hi9hf]

Jesus lived a perfect example for us. He didn't pray to Himself but gave us an example of how we can pray to God(that is, Himself). The Bible VERY CLEARLY states that there is only one God. and that invisible God is revealed in flesh through Christ.

[@Abuhonda]

I love this channel your channel is growing very fast

[@AtheismDefeated]

1.) There is One God 2.) Jesus is that One God incarnate 3.) Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead not a partial revelation of God 🚨 The Trinity is defined by Tradition not by the Scriptures alone

[@rusluck6620]

The trinity can be fletched out using just scriptures tho

[@dakotabowman13]

Amen. To God be the Glory

[@AtheismDefeated]

@@rusluck6620 Nowhere does the scriptures say God is two, God is three or God is a multiplicity of people or persons. That’s a human invention not clearly taught in scripture

[@rusluck6620]

@@AtheismDefeated What is the last verse of Matthew?

[@AtheismDefeated]

@@rusluck6620 Matthew 28:20

[@treasureofinfotainment9454]

Are you okay?

[@oscaralegre3683]

one more video of the best Christian apologetic ♥️♥️💪🏼.

[@CatvsShark]

3:58 The word "Your" can be used as plurality. Supposedly that's one of the main reasons the Bible sometimes uses the informal "Thou/Thy" because another major difference between them beside formality is that "Thou/Thy" can only ever be singular, whereas "You/Your" can be singular or pluralasized. So if that statement was meant to be read as singular, in some translations it would be be read as "Israel, put thine hope in the Lord" but it's plural, meaning the people of Israel, so "Your" is proper grammer.

[@Zvertxv]

Isaiah 25:8 "He will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign Lord will wipe away the tears from all faces; He will remove His people’s disgrace from all the earth. The Lord has spoken." (A promise of victory over death through God’s power.)

[@doltBmB]

the father is greater than I

[@TestifyApologetics]

He is as the monarch and where Jesus gets his essence from but they have the same nature.

[@doltBmB]

@@TestifyApologetics try speaking without theological gobbledygook for one second, essence and nature are meaningless terms the way you used them. essence is used in genesis to mean the seed of a man, in which case jesus has the essence of david, that is his lineage. "nature" is that which is not cultural or spiritual, in which case his nature is also that of a man. he is a man.

[@LadLamer2421]

@@doltBmB "Try speaking in simpler words so that my low IQ brain can Understand" No, I don't think so. Anathema Heretic.

[@theologyroom]

@@doltBmB If Jesus had the Father's "essence" or "nature", he would have been as all-knowing as the Father. Yet, Jesus said only the Father knows the "hour". This is the part where they say something like "oh, Jesus didn't know the hour as a human, but he did as God". Well, if he was "fully man and fully God", then even if he didn't know the hour as a human, he would have known it as "fully God". Jesus *as a whole* would have known the hour.

[@SamWicker-su7rp]

Nice solid teaching, nice bro.

[@YesHeIsRisen]

Glory to Jesus truly God and truly human amen. Every knee shall bow amen. God bless you. i love you all my brothers and sisters in Christ ❤❤❤❤❤

[@miketacos9034]

Can’t wait for the Old Testament video

[@ryanparris1021]

Love the Hijab 'You're finished!' all quiet hidden in the background audio in this video. Not time stamping so people try and find that little Easter egg.