ProverXL 4030 V2 CNC by Sainsmart Genmitsu - Assembly Guide

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Sainsmart ProverXL 4030 V2 shrsl.com/43un0 Some of the upgrades on this machine include ball screws, closed loop stepper motors (minimises loss of steps and can move faster), new improved Z assembly, eccentric nuts on the wheels, better bed and a few other bits like higher dust guards.

[@davidkiefer1748]

It looks like the Y axis sensors have been moved to the outside. Can you measure the real maximum effective work area (on the V1 it is quite a bit wider than the wooden bed, and extends further out the front)?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

@@davidkiefer1748 yes, its covered in the video towards the end. Think it's 410x308. Because of the extra brackets on the ball screws you can't really gain much by moving the limit switches bracket any more

[@ph0t0dave]

I'm a little bummed, I literally just bought a PROVerXL 4030 and now that I went to your videos to see how to get it setup properly I see that there is a V2 model. So now I'm debating on not building this thing and returning it for the V2 version. I do intend on making fairly precise parts for 3D printers and for modding PC's. Is the V2 worth the extra money and is it really more accurate than the V1? Great videos BTW! I'm an old maker that has always like building things and want something to help build the more intricate things :) Oh, and is there any plans showing how you built the awesome cabinets you have the CNC's in?

[@gearscodeandfire]

Happy to discover this channel on the exact tutorial i looked for

[@1shubing]

Excellent job. You're tutorials are very well done and very informative. Thank you.

[@peteredwards2371]

Just built mine after watching this; you made it so easy for me, thank you 👍😊

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Excellent 👍

[@jongrace9133]

You did a great video as always. I have ordered the V2, just waiting for it to be shipped. I liked the hybrid Spoilboard, should be easy to create a waste board.

[@salamhasson7432]

Hello James, and Happy New Year. 🎉🎉💐 We are grateful to you for what you provide on this wonderful channel. Thank you for this important information, the comprehensive explanation, and the beautiful way of presenting the information. 🤗🫡 I used my saismartGenmitsu 6060 CNC machine with the Light Burn program, so I added a laser head to it, but the directional movement changed, for example the right became left, and the forward movement became backward. I tried to adjust the settings, but to no avail. Thank you again for your help🙏

[@helperhelp9965]

once again a great informative video, keep up the marvelous content coming .... 🎉🎉🎉

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Thank you 😊

[@helperhelp9965]

Just wondering, where do you keep so many CNCs 😃

[@Festivejelly]

After watching this I decided to go ahead and buy one. Looks a really decent machine with plenty of scope to upgrade it. Linear rails for example, I can see why they didnt add them for cost, but looking at this we could easily machine our own parts to make mounts for them. For me what sold it was the ball screws, and closed loop steppers. Size wise its a really nice form factor too, not too big or small and I believe an extension kit is coming out soon. I'll likely add a Makita to mine tbh. Excited to get started on this, just waiting for the postie now :)

[@BrickEngines]

Thank you for this detailed review

[@joetkeshub]

Great and helpful pedagogy. Thank you James!

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Thank you 😊

[@nathaliecollin727]

Many thanks. Very helpful. I can't wait to get mine :-)

[@alpscraftshack599]

This is a great little machine James, and, I do enjoy your videos. I am having a little issue with mine. The gantry level, in the X Axis direction, is off by about 1 degree, from left to right. Most of my work is done with 3 mm & 6 mm wood. When I attempt to cut out a wood shape, the cut does not go completely thru on the right side. Likewise, when I am carving, there is a noticeable difference, in the cut depth, on the right side. Any advice on how to adjust / correct / fix? I find no advice / help in the assembly instructions that were provided.

[@jesse00077]

Beautiful build !

[@slothbach1925]

Can you please do a video on care and maintenance for the machine?

[@Festivejelly]

Mine came today and its such a well designed machine. Feels super solid. Ill for sure be doing the MGN15H mod but for the price point of the machine its increadible.

[@THDSCornwall]

How you getting on a month later? I am looking at getting the same machine possibly

[@geoffhenshall7296]

I'm a very old newbie to CNC and I just got my 4030 V2 today - what is the MGN15H mod - also a question for James will we need a spoil board for this machine if so will you be doing one of your excellent videos (I bought the machine after watching you un-boxing video)

[@DavidsWayOfLife]

Perfect tutorial. I finally decided to enter the CNC world myself with exactly this machine. I made some initial cuts and all looked great. Now getting into more detailed work and I just noticed a problem I can't explain. I use 3.175mm upcut Genmitsu bit (MC40A) and all my cuts are greater than expected by ~0.5mm. Design is 100% ok. If I for example just make a square 65x65mm, it is actually 65.5mm. I use poplar 7mm thick for all those cuts. Because I attempt a design where I plan to put several pieces together, the 0.5mm represents a problem for me. Any idea what should I check? Any suggestion appreciated as all this still very new to me. Thank you.

[@daletruswell5010]

Thank you for this help James. We are planning one of these machines for the public library makerspace , but having checked the manufacturers site it doesn't appear that there is a 4th rotary axis that works with the PROVER 4030 V2 machine. I was wondering if anyone here knows if I can use a rotary axis on one of this V2?

[@collinnat]

Merci beaucoup pour cette vidéo très utile. Ca y est, ma machine est assemblée et prête à fonctionner 🙂

[@richardsandford1607]

Great video! Thank you!

[@doucheus]

Have you heard if there will be a 4th axis module for the V2 like there is for the first one?

[@bandacobi1049]

Great video. I bought this machine but one of the motors went bad. Do you know the make/model of the closed loop motor or an alternative that I could buy to fix my machine? I have tried to contact the manufacturer but after all the struggles in contacting support and waiting endlessly, I am now looking to buy the motor from anywhere with more dependability. If it is a proprietary motor then I would have to rebuild the controller with new motors,drivers etc from scratch, which I am willing to do if that is the only way left. Hope to find the motor or alternative.

[@midu1773]

Hi, You have now tested both machines, which one would you recommend? Which is more stable and robust when milling plastic housings and 2mm aluminum? The 4030 V2 has ballscrew and better closed loop stepper motors. The 6050 Plus doesn't have that, but it has linear guides. Which machine do you think is more accurate? I don't care about the size of the design. It is important to have a reliable and stable milling machine. Thank you!

[@bluck86]

Will this machine be ok to mill birch ply? I will be using 25mm ply and milling out sections such as 70mm sqaure down 20mm deep into the ply

[@teresa6775]

I'm new to cnc routers. Just checking into all the options out there. QUESTION: Are there any that have conveyors, similar to xtool lasers now providing the ability to laser longer pieces that feed through the machine as it cuts/engraves ???

[@grupp61]

Hi James After watching your videos I purchased a 4030v2. I just got it setup and noticed that the X axis coordinates are reversed. So +=-, and - =+ direction I recall seeing a screen with axis settings , but can't locate it. Can you help? Thanks Glenn

[@AndrewAHayes]

A Pro version with linear rails would be preferable!

[@Festivejelly]

One could quite easily use this CNC to mill our brackets to attach linear rails.

[@tyronelenoury4838]

Hi James. I currently have a Genmitsu 3018 and I am planning to upgrade to a Genmitsu 3040 or 4040. I mainly do hobby work in wood, longterm which is the better matching which will give the best detail.

[@cyruskhosravi7351]

Hi James Thanks a lot for the videos. I have a problem finding the MAX length that drill bits stick out of the spindle and MIN length that can go into the collet for Genmitsu 4040-pro. Do you think you can assist me?

[@basilloizou1942]

Hi James I was very impressed by your videos which i loved, that I purchased a 4030 V2 but I've sorry to say i have problem after problem firstly the X axis skews and i have recalibrate every thing secondly the limit switches are bending the striker plates, and the laser doesn't work which may be a different issue . the support is slow and lacking from SainSmart . I thought might be interested as other people have have problems with the limit switches as well

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

That's ok. Feedback helps others and Sainsmart. I've commented on a few of your posts in the Sainsmart group. I think the skewing steppers is either a faulty motor or wiring issue. The limit switch brackets bending is a slightly poor design given the strength of the motors. I never experienced it but I didn't hit the brackets hard enough. Hope you get the issues sorted

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Hi Basil, noticed you left the Sainsmart group whilst people were trying to help you. Seems like you kept hitting the limit switches with some force. Would be useful to know how you kept doing that as perhaps a couple of tweaks in your setup may make it easier to work with

[@sansdecorum4600]

Actually ordered the Genmitsu Proverxl 4030 V2 on the last day of Prime Days for $1250 to my door. Not a bad deal, I thought. Then I got an immediate sense of buyer's remorse, mostly on account of Delrin rollers in extruded aluminum rails, and managed to cancel the order in time. Because of another one of your videos, I got caught up in the numbers game and purchased the FoxAlien Vasto 400 x 400:with the 10 watt optical laser bundle. They had a $200:discount code at the time, so $2099 to my door. Gained 4 inches in "Y", linear rails, larger ball screws and a more robust controller. On the down side, I lost the closed loop stepoer motors and spent another $850. Sure hope I made the right call.

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

😆 it's fun game picking the machine you want. The Vasto is a great machine 👍

[@Festivejelly]

It would have cost you less than $200 to add linear rails...their machine looks decent though, but id say overall after doing the linear rail upgrade on the 4030v2 I think the fox alien one is probably a downgrade.

[@jamesgolden1955]

Hey James, your videos convinced me to make the purchase. I got this machine built and can move the motor around with the controls in Candle however, the spindle does not move on the machine. it Only moves on the screen within the candle software. the power box makes a click sound but the motor does not spin. it appears that no power is going to the spindle. do you need to install a fuse for the motor or something? thank you. cheers, James

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

@jamesgolden1955 sorry for what may seem a silly question but have you turned the speed dial up? This catches quite a few people out

[@jamesgolden1955]

@@JamesDeanDesigns thanks for the quick reply. Not a silly question at all. I did turn up the speed dial knob but still no spin.

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

@jamesgolden1955 so next I would say check all the connections, not only the connections themselves but the wires to each connector to make sure they are all secure. If still nothing, I would suggest getting a multimeter (or borrowing one) and checking if the wires are getting anything through them. The controlboard does have some fuses but if it gets to that then i would suggest reaching out to Sainsmart first. Sometimes they can get moody if you open the box without their permission

[@jamesgolden1955]

@@JamesDeanDesigns when i used the offline controller it say "9. locked (alarm or jog). i pressed unlock motors button but that failed to unlock motor.

[@justanotheranonymous4381]

Is it compatible with the 4th axis?

[@timd2809]

Wanting to get into CNCs and this machine looks to be perfect, but having never used a CNC machine should I take the plunge and go straight in for this, or should I start small like a prover 3018 v2? Cant help thinking if I went with the 3018 I would very quickly outgrow it, or be disappointed and disillusioned with the speed and quality of results. I am pretty confident/competent woodworker and already have a well equipped workshop.

[@fromdancetopresence7046]

Hi , if the video included installing UGS would be great , because it is not available in the USB with 3040 v2🙃

[@ericeinsmann5559]

It doesn't look that different from the original machine.. I'm curious if the expansion kits are compatible with the V2. Nice video!

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Concept is the same but this has ball screws, closed loop stepper motors (minimises loss of steps and can move faster), new z assembly, eccentric nuts on the wheels and a few other bits like higher dust guards. They are some decent upgrades. The existing extension kit will not fit this, it has its own kit due to be released.

[@norm5785]

Nice machine thank you for sharing the set up with us. Everyone stay safe, happy and healthy. From Henrico County Virginia

[@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1]

@@JamesDeanDesignswow, they really stepped up this model with those upgrades.

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

@@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1 other than linear rails they have ticked a lot of boxes with this one

[@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1]

@@JamesDeanDesigns indeed.

[@11290slk]

Nice video. Wish they would have made the V2 a "square" (4040) machine instead of a 4030, but then that might have cut in to their upgrade sales.

[@geraldobrien6380]

Might you be able to compare the following machines? Genmitsu prover XL V2 4030 and the Fox Alien 4040 XE PRO, without linear rails? Thank you very much.I really have learned a lot watching your videos. Thanks again Sincerely, Gerald OBrien... Houston, TX ...

[@basilloizou1942]

Hi James I enjoy your informative videos thanks 🙏🏻 Are you using an app On your iPhone for the Cnc ?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Thank you. I occasionally control it remotely either through my phone or the keyboard. This video shows how. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2GYf4dsj6qUsKM

[@fraales6674]

Merci pour la vidéo. Y a t-il un Rotary Module Kit pour cette V2 ? J'ai vu sur le site de Genmitsu des Rotary Module Kit pour la V1 et pour les 4040-Pro, mais pas pour la 4030 V2 ?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

I thought there was but you are correct in that it's only listed for the V1 which is a bit odd

[@Martin-uj6zn]

James, would you happen to know if the V2 6060 extension is compatible with the 4030 V1? I just picked up a 4030 v1 and was looking into the extention kit and notice that the V2 has ball screw bearing which would be an upgrade from the V1s. I know the cable braid would not be compatible without modifying the connection plugs since the control box are different. Anyways, love your content. Cheers.

[@jongrace9133]

I have the 4030 V2 that has been expanded to the 6060 with a Makita router. My question is : is the new water cool spindle worth the $400 price tag. Do you plan on doing a review of it? I enjoy your videos and find them very worth while. Thanks Jon

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

As it stands, I don't have it in my schedule to do a review of it. However I have been looking to get a new water cooled spindle so I may do. Is it worth the difference...that's will vary from person to person but generally speaking they are quieter, and moreful so you can cut faster. They should in theory last longer as well so in my opinion it's a yes

[@alpscraftshack599]

A good video James. Thank you. It helped a lot in the assembly of my machine, which I bought based on your review. The machine went together very easy, and, the quality of the machine is excellent. I must have missed something somewhere though. I loaded both software programs: Candle and UGS. All movements & functions are working fine with Candle. However, in UGS, all movements are working fine, but the spindle does not turn on. Any thoughts on what I missed / did wrong?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

UGS doesn't have a manual turn on button like Candle. You can do this by typing "M3 S10000" to start the spindle and M5 to stop

[@alpscraftshack599]

@@JamesDeanDesigns So, does that have to be written into each G-Code? On my Carve King, the spindle speed control knobs starts & adjusts the spindle speed. I also noticed, while in Candle, that it looked like the spindle speed control knob did not vary the spindle speed.

[@jongrace9133]

Just notice that Patreon hasn't taking my contribution this month. Is there something wrong? I have the PROVerXL V2 and having a problem with the movement of the Z axis. No movement in either direction. Got ant ideas what my be wrong?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Hi Jon, it's showing OK from my side. What I would say is if you need help then message me through Patreon. Comments quickly get buried and I can't always reply to everyone but I usually reply to Patrons within 24-48 hours. Just let me know as much detail as possible and I'll try to help 👍

[@hummingbirdgardencenter]

James would this machine work with the adapter for doing cylindrical engraving? I’ve asked sainsmart but no reply. Thanks. Herb.

[@jongrace9133]

Like always you do a great job. I was just notified that my machine was just shipped. My question is the unit comes with a 400 watt spindle. Is powerful enough or should I install my Makita router at the beginning.

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

The 400w spindle is ok and I sometimes advise new people just to leave it in place to do initial testing whilst getting used to the machine but in reality if you have something more powerful like the makita, and are comfortable using it then I would go straight in with that

[@jongrace9133]

@@JamesDeanDesigns Going to upgrade to the Makita, watch your upgrade for the DeWalt where you put inline to the power cable a solid state relay. I'm assuming that you would do the same, correct. I know you don't care for Easel and suggest Carveco Maker, have you used something like Vcarve and what do you in comparison. Sorry being a pest but you are one of few that will answer and I believe.

[@MrKhalid512]

i have PROVerXL 4030 V2 can you please make a video for how to install Genmitsu iMaticBox v2 relay for PROVerXL 4030 V2 i try but how connect the trimmer router and the vacuum cleaner and thank you

[@Shorrey]

There is no info if this machine can take a Laser or DeWalt router. Do you think its possible?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

I think I mentioned it in my review video but yes to both of those. However, if you want to fit a Dewalt you'll need to buy the 69mm holder separately thought as the 65mm comes with it

[@Nesterman]

What size is the shank on the spindle for the V2?

[@ryanernst4675]

Was searching for hours to answer the same question today. Appears the spindle shank size is 1/4-inch. Odd that it’s not listed on the manufacturer’s spec section?!

[@jongrace9133]

It looks like the Makita router will require a shim to make up the difference between 69mm and 65mm. Will a 3D printed one hold up.

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

On the V2 they have gone with the 65mm holder so good to go for the makita 👍

[@sawdust2876]

Do you have any information about the differences between version 1 & version 2?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

I'd you check out the pinned comment it lists some of the upgrades but I'll be covering it all in more detail when I do the full review

[@Roy_Tellason]

After watching pretty many of your videos, I'm incliined a bit toward picking up one of these machines. Looked at the model listed in this video (though not the V2) and I'm not quite ready to drop that much cash on this hobby yet. :-) Looking at their other machines I see the 3018 at a very reasonable price but that one has no E-stop or limit switches. Can they be added to it? Or, what's the least expensive model that does have those features?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Yes they can be added, but if you want those features as standard (and some other upgrades) then check out the 3018 Prover, but for a little bit extra there is the newer 3018 Prover V2

[@judyfahey6287]

Hi James my name is Judy love your vid, I have a question I bought the 4030 with extension kit for the 6060 .I also bought the 10watt laser ,now I have the frame left over From 4030 ,I would like to use the 4030 for the laser and the 6060 for carving.I am having trouble order the parts I need can you help or any suggestions

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

The left over from from the 4030 is probably overkill for a laser. For all the parts required to make it work you would probably be better off keeping an eye on marketplace or ebay for a used laser frame. This will probably also save you money

[@judyfahey6287]

@@JamesDeanDesigns thanks you very much love you vid

[@CityWoodDesigns]

hi james is it a difficult process to swap out the spindle for a laser module

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

No, the standard spindle holder can take lasers so it's quite easy to do

[@CityWoodDesigns]

@@JamesDeanDesigns cheers any idea on a general release date

[@nancyzuniga9813]

Hello … I am considering purchasing. This will be my very first experience… do you think this is a good machine to create kids wood small toys?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Yes, absolutely.

[@macvideoworld]

Is it possible to use this with a better software like Vcarve Pro or somehting?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

This will work with both the top software companies, Carveco and Vectric. When you come to export your jobs you just need to select the GRBL post processor

[@iamkian]

My dad and I are shopping for a small CNC machine. We would like to use it for some prototyping aluminium parts (max size: 47×212×15 mm and from 7075 aluminium) Do you think that te ProverXL 4030 V2 is up for this? Speed is not an issue. Thank you for any info on this!

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

Definitely. You'll want to upgrade the spindle to either a router or a Spindle/VFD setup so it has the bit extra torque but this has been machining aluminium and brass

[@iamkian]

@@JamesDeanDesigns Thank you for the info. We are now down to two .. a "Stepcraft M500" or the "ProverXL 4030 V2".

[@jongrace9133]

How do I reach you Patreon?

[@JamesDeanDesigns]

There is usually a message button on my profile when logged

[@jongrace9133]

All sudden today, not trying anything suggested in your email the CNC started to work in all axis. Don’t understand why but it’s working.

[@jongrace9133]

Are you planning on making a video about the 6060 expansion kit for the PROver Xl 4030 Pro V2 ?

[@infinitig5392]

Does anyone have the firmwear for this machine ? I stupidly over wrote mine

[@-______-______-]

My first try would be the manufacturer