PROVING Rocket League Pros OVERCOMPLICATE the Game! 🤷

[@never1163]

On similar skill level the statistics suggest that being behind the ball equals wins, but there are a few things to consider: 1. Is being behind the ball a side effect of a underlying mechanic (like boost preservation, average speed, average distance to mates etc), that actually cause the statistic or is it the statistic itself? 2. Can you beat stronger teams by applying the strategy from point 1 or is it only enhancing the gap you have to weaker teams? 3. Does the slow playstyle hardcounter the fast playstyle but underperforms against more structured and faster teams? Overall after not fully watching the previous and this video your argument is clearly better than angry yt commenters defending their fav pros, but that doesnt automatically mean you are right either. I dont have any statistics besides monkey moon being the player who leaves the least distance to his mates on average and he is the goat, so maybe thats the key to winning, however with g2s playstyle (much quicker than bds) you need more space. So i would guess its a matter of playstyle. I think your analysis has been good for the games you watched and the stats you showed, but obv it doesnt mean much when hundreds of pro games are played each year and g2 have reached every final with a "bad" playstyle. great vids as i said keep it up, waiting for more in depth analysis

[@nowakschoofs7911]

100% correct in everything you said (im the coach / main guy from the video). I can't disagree with you, me having a few statistics supporting me does not automatically make me correct. And it still might sound a bit questionable for me to say G2 position and rotate poorly yet they consisntently make grand finals. But the way they win is through mechanical consistency. If you watch their gameplay compared to others, they almost NEVER mess up mechanically (ofc you could mention atomics miss but you also HAVE to take context (pressure, nerves) into account). They're insanely consistent at simply hitting the ball how they want to and where they want to. They're for example the team who's able to solo play the ball from their own backboard/net into the opponents half the most consistently. You dont see many teams doing it yet G2 manage to do exactly this several times nearly every game. And idk if you've noticed in the last few months of RLCS, but i have never seen someone score double taps or sidewall redirects as consistently as beastmode, almost every time he even attempts it he scores it. I hope this makes a bit more sense as to why they've been performing as well as they have. And of course you can look for this yourself by watching some of their games and looking for the difference in mechanical consistency between G2 and whoever they're against.

[@nowakschoofs7911]

1. Playing slower and preserving boost leads to being more behind the ball. By using boost your of course gonna move closer to the ball (assuming ur facing the right direction) and you'd need boost to catch up to the ball or even to get ahead of it. And using boost obviously leads to faster physical speed. Thats why in the oKhalid vs Atow section you saw Atow zooming like crazy around the pitch whilst oKhalid was doing the complete opposite, he was rather keeping his boost, making sure they could keep offence, and most importantly he made sure their net was safe. Falcons were NEVER able to score quick counter attacks due to oKhalid's playstyle and everytime they did end up on defence oKhalid made sure both his team mates could get back in time. This was pretty much never the case with Atow. Sorry for the long answer, but in short; the statistic is a side effect of a bunch of different things, but all of those different things that cause the statistic are positive. 2. This exact argument was the reason we decided to show a bit of Gentle Mate's gameplay from the major they won, since I feel like it proved fairly well that it clearly also works against the absolute best teams in the game currently. 3. The "Slow playstyle" isn't really a "Slow playstyle", it's just slower than others who play faster than they need to and overcomplicate simple situations. A fast but structured team would extremely difficult to achieve, since to keep a good structure players would HAVE to slow down eventually to waste time for each other to get resources and reposition. For example gentle mates or my team in this video. If either of us had played a fast playstyle, we wouldn't have allowed each other to rotate behind us in time for them to be able to support us, and we simply wouldn't be able to keep a good structure and we'd eventually lose offence from it. Which is exactly what happens to most teams.

[@never1163]

@@nowakschoofs7911 thanks for clarifying and taking your time

[@sKr_eC]

its important to have long breakdowns like this !! leveling up game sense overall

[@Senseiseak]

Well said.

[@melodicmiserii]

The key to good gameplay is a controlled first man with two 2nd man that can swap to 3rd within reason. You need every engagement to be controlled to have safe follow up which is why teams with closer proximity do better. The close proximity only works however if you have the mechanics to dictate where the ball does and does not go

[@melodicmiserii]

This also helps explain why g2 is so good. Every interaction is either 2 beats or fully controlled. If you know how boost economy works then you know the sharper mechanics are then the less boost you use and if you manage consistent double beats and controlled 50s or losses then you have a win basically

[@nowakschoofs7911]

What an amazing video! I love the host 😍😍 Such a smart guy 🥰

[@Senseiseak]

Evidence burns hard lads, nice job.

[@Senseiseak]

56:40. That challenge/pass was gold. Low resources, quick reactions, understanding of mechs and position.

[@jackoplumkin6412]

I'd recommend the host of this video to check out AirCharged Gaming. (Or anyone for that matter. He shows firsthand how playing smart without much mechanics can get you to champ/gc)

[@d1way_ne]

I agree womp 🎉❤

[@edit8705]

I can't even watch 3v3 games anymore. It's usually terrible nowadays. Everything is a solo play, air dribble flip reset over and over again.. fails so often, when you could pass and make a play with your team. Boring to watch these days imo

[@nowakschoofs7911]

I agree unfortunately :/ Pros have figured out that cool mechanics is what gives you recognition, since its mainly the mechanical solo plays you see on twitter a lot. So a lot of players tend to just focus mechanics and seem to forget its a team game

[@Schoofsrl]

commenting anyway because i dont care what you guys say

[@charger7642]

~ signed by charger

[@Nick-fr1wb]

you have too much space inbetween your players even when youre showing your perfect game. proven winning stats are distance to teammates and time spend facing the ball. speed of gameplay doesnt have to do anything with it. the rlcs champs were all middle tier in speed so whats the point of showing that "slow is better"

[@nowakschoofs7911]

We actually don't, being further apart makes it easier for our team mates to rotate behind us and it actually leaves smaller gaps on average. If you were to check the stats of gentle mates for example, they were actually on average closer to each other than OXG were. The reason it works is due to coverage, Gentle Mates were covering much more of the field, so it almost didn't matter where the ball would end up since a Gentle Mates player was covering the space anyway, which allowed them to keep possession and therefore keep pressure. So my team's and Gentle Mate's playstyle actually leads to closer distance to team mates on average and more time spent facing the ball. And since you're saying "proven winning stats are distance to teammates and time spend facing the ball" I can guess you didn't watch much of the video, neither did you look at any of our evidence. The evidence we showed was pretty hardcore proof and had an incredibly consistent result upwards of 80-90% accuracy.

[@simply_deity]

What an amazing video! I love the host 😍😍 Such a smart guy 🥰