Pry bar Comparison & Uses: My 6 Favorites for Better Leverage

[@daveoneshot5681]

I've used up my 16 years.....now at 81, I think I'll go for another 19 to see what it's like at 100.

[@katielin2379]

❤ love your attitude Sir!

[@ShotGunner5609]

Yesss. That's a nice round number!

[@LetsBuildAHouse]

LOVE IT!

[@PFPTHEGREATEST]

Keep up the good work young man 👍

[@yohamnysdiaz]

Iam 31 now and tell my daughter iam going to be around till about 125 years old then we will recalculate 😅. Best of luck to you and my the best years be ahead of you

[@mae2759]

If there's anything comforting about this video is that after 1:00, we know we have at least 16 more years of content to enjoy! :)

[@dougcorrigan9200]

Agreed Scott. I’m 68 and leverage and hydraulic force are what enable me to continue to farm, heat with wood and maintain my home and equipment.

[@chrisboonstra5108]

I’m a 25 year old carpenter apprentice in Canada. I have watched Scott go on about Burke bars on KZbin for years now and found one at a garage sale for $20. I jumped at it immediately. THANK. YOU. SCOTT. This bar is a machine. I love it. My whole crew loves it. I haven’t touched my roofing pry bar since. I love this channel so much, it has changed the way I approach and appreciate my job. “Aim for perfect, settle for excellence.” You said it, man. Cheers

[@mdeamicis]

I bought one shortly after the first time seeing one in use in this channel. Always in my truck and used often. The eastwig 16 inch 3 in 1 pro roofer is a mini burk bar with a catspaw that you can put in a flatbar sleeve hanging inboard of your gastner bag.

[@lindacgrace2973]

I'm a huge fan of Aristotle, too. But it was Archimedes who said "Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum, and I can move the world."

[@williammccarthy5696]

Not Aristotle but Archimedes said "give me a lever big enough and a fulcrum to use it on and I will move the world"

[@ricksanchez3176]

I'll not fault the man for a little Archemedes screw up, there's Pliny of other good things in the video, I'd say he still hit a Homer.

[@damondiomandes39]

Ha! Man knows his Greeks.

[@thaddeuslarimer5703]

My thoughts exactly, Papa Smurf!

[@RalphSampson...]

@@ricksanchez3176 "Pliny"? What is that?! You must mean "plenty".

[@JesusTorres-xz5jt]

WOW ...we have ancient history scholars and grammar teachers watching Escencial Craftsman Channel...they must be bored and had nothing else to do.

[@Estarlio]

Thank you for the wealth of good-natured knowledge you've shared over the years.

[@StubProductions]

Wow very generous!

[@mercMADCommando]

One thing with the flat bar: if you're using the hook/90° end and it's flexing when pulling the normal way, you can pull inline with the flat section (90° to normal) and it's much more Ridgid that way. Helps a lot with longer/cheaper bars.

[@bkh1324]

I generally end up prying in this fashion the majority of time I use a flat bar. Mabey it's because I'm on ladders alot. Pulling down instead of pushing away feels safer I reckon.

[@BubbasDad]

Your comment that really stood out for me is: "When you are working by yourself". My entire working career, I was always happier when I was working by myself. I guess I'm just not a person who needs to be part of a team. I've never needed to be entertained. Just love to do the work.

[@LetsBuildAHouse]

Respect the hell out of that James!

[@adamcinna1163]

Thank you for your videos. I'm a 38 year old contractor, I work 7 days a week and seldomly take a day off. Falling asleep to your voice is peaceful and reassuring that I'm doing whats right... Wake up and continue building the next day. Thank you.

[@rd-ch1on]

I would add the bee keepers bar/ window glazier bar to your list. Excellent multipurpose small pry bar that fits in your tool bag.

[@krenwregget7667]

agreed. When I got into finish carpentry and then cabinets, a glazing bar was my go to because it was thin, flat and wouldn't mar the surface of what I was prying on.

[@thinktank8286]

Would you have pictures of these tools? Tried a search for "bee keeper bar" came up with nothing.

[@rd-ch1on]

@@thinktank8286 do a search for "Richard Tools 10 inch pry bar" . It's 10 inches long x 1.5 inches wide, painted red. Originally they were used by beekeepers but now are also used for a wide variety of things.

[@jascost]

Agreed. We use them constantly in commercial/retail millwork installs. I actually like the ones they sell in the paint tools section of the orange store.

[@beekeeperzimmy]

@@krenwregget7667 try searching hive tool.

[@fprintf]

I was introduced to Andrew Camarata's KZbin channel when you made his Burke Bar. I just wanted to say thank you for introducing me to both the concept of burke bars and to Andrew's channel.

[@diverdave4056]

…mmm I spent more than 30 years on commercial construction sites and 2 years on residential sites and I never ever saw or hear of a Burke bar ! The closest thing to it might be a Johnson bar / lever bar on wheels

[@AlanTheBeast100]

A small "Lever Bar Scraper" should be in all tool bags. Indeed I keep a few around the house. Small, light, thin and useful for all kinds of situations when doing maintenance, paint prep work, furniture repair, etc. and so on. Tremendous leverage for levelling cabinets (lift corner, adjust screw foot) and so on. Or as a wedge to hold something spread while setting another part. (This is a smaller and thinner version of what you call a "flat bar" or "door bar"). Has a decent scraper on one end too.

[@timothylewis90]

Ah, I fondly reflect back on my first pry tool, the flat head screw driver 🙂

[@ethanheyne]

On a whim, I got a massive flathead screwdriver from Harbor Fright. I've never used it as a screwdriver, but it's a great lever or pick! The kids use it as a sword occasionally.

[@k.d.8924]

I would say my glaziers bar sees the most use, and the burke bar is the most indispensable. Most of those levers have a workaround, but in my experience there is nothing else that will do the work of a burke bar. I owe you for bringing the existence of that tool to my attention. Thank you Scott..

[@ClintL63]

I bought one new! I climbed above a 35 ft poured wall set and i heard Tink tink tink! me NEW bar went down to the bottom! I say it funny, but cost me 17 bucks! it is in the Arauco plant in Grayling Mich; its like some sort of monument! LOL!

[@dr.kraemer]

that was Archimedes, not Aristotle.

[@MAGAMAN]

I used a 4 foot pry bar to move my entire floating laminate floor over enough to slide it under the door jamb so the transition strip would cover it. It moved the floor plus my 200+ lbs. while I was standing on it.

[@Pirate-530]

Started as a plumber at 16 started framing at 18 found you at 19 watched all your tips and tricks and productivity videos became a union fire sprinkler fitter at 24 and now at 25 I’m a union iron worker and here we are… still teaching me clever little tricks Thanks for teaching all the insider tips 🎉

[@mrmicro22]

Our country needs more workers, not sitters. Good on you.

[@EssexCountyPhoto]

Burke bar. I don't need one, but I want one. My wife won't be pleased. She's already asking why I need a 6Lbs felling axe. We live in a flat.

[@briantaylor9266]

I have one of those slide hammer nail pullers, and everything you say is true. One caveat, though. It's custom made for pinching the skin on your hand!

[@Sagern234]

The slide on mine always tends to find the webbing between fingers, while carrying...

[@poppopsworkshop]

Love your channel and message. I believe it was Archimedes and not Aristotle that talked about leverage. Could be wrong though

[@michaelcarroll991]

Saying purchase instead of grab/grip is the same as people who say maze instead of corn 😂😂😂

[@tequilandtacos]

i like my prybars, i wish i would of stuck with Mayhew porybars, i think mayhew prybars are the best

[@warrenmichael918]

I feel like this video was only made just to show off that Burke Bar,,,,and i approve!!

[@DavidtheSwarfer]

I really need a Burke bar, none to be had in Africa so I will have to make it. Will a bit of leaf spring do for the working end?

[@larkin1525]

This is definitely one of the most reviews I’ve seen of pry bars

[@charlesstevens8913]

Never even heard of a Burke Bar 'til I watched this channel, and the BB saved my keister in tearing apart a 25 year old deck that I was rebuilding, which was 32' x 16'. Used during the Covid fiasco when it was hard to find labor willing to even bid on the job...which I didn't want to do (I was 75 y.o. at the time)....it made the job so easy that I found myself laughing half the time, and it probably saved my wife the grotesque experience of having to give me mouth-to-mouth first aid!! Used it on several 'one-off' type situations, and it was better than having a second person to help. Also, depending on your neighborhood, it's not a bad thing to have sitting near the front door of your home! Great tool to make me feel like I had the strength of 2 or 3 men!

[@WayneSmith-yf3fg]

I tell young people that come on the job site all the time "You'll learn the real uses of simple machines taught in school". We used to use an 8' oak mover's lever dolly to lift thousands of pounds and move them in the factory.

[@virusO1OOOOO1]

You know ive been watching a lot of contractors shorts, maybe a reaction on some stellar building content 😂

[@PGGraham]

I love all of these, but would add a Richardson bar. It looks like a half size, much thinner, flatter door or wonder bar. The long side is pretty wide and sharp though. Great for pulling baseboard or other trim without damaging it. My tile setter uses one for popping tiles as well.

[@briantaylor9266]

Agree 100%! I use my Richard Tools pry bar more than my Wunderbar. Also known as a hive tool, because beekeepers use them.

[@jmc6940]

Check these prybars out. 48" Extendable Indexing Pry Bar

[@paulbeaumont2911]

I’ve always found it hard to avoid using a bar, after 5 or 6 pints, I cannot only move the world, I can also fight it!! 😅

[@CrimeVid]

Any bar is better than no bar ! I must have a dozen different types of bar. I always have one with me. Personally I like the flat bar that does not have a knuckle (vaughn bar) just a right angle. Most liked by me is the little Japanese “Shark” bar, but only the genuine article, so thin and so tough that it will get in anywhere with a light tap, I often use mine to open a gap without damage to get a bigger bar in. I don’t own a burke bar ! I still like the old fashioned five and a half foot crow bar and a heavy one at that, the weight helps !!

[@ronmcrae7216]

After watching you I finally found a mini burk bar with a 4 foot handle and it really handy. Thanks for the content.

[@chriswest1996]

Love what you call the "Dig out bar". Not only will it pull a finish nail...it will pull a broken off nail. No head required!

[@njc1205]

The slide hammer nail puller was one of the standard issue tools in the US ARMY Carpenter Toolset usually issued 1 each to a Company Headquarters and kept by the Supply Sergeant until needed. I suspect I've had to inventory that item more than I've seen one actually used for it's intended purpose.

[@dr.kraemer]

"Give me the place to stand, and I shall move the earth." - Archimedes.

[@ramosel]

I was somewhat amazed... but not really surprised that Andrew Camarata was able to break the Burke bar you sent him.

[@johnbabin7044]

You forgot the best part of using a flat bar. When pulling casing or trim off of doors, window, etc. When you want to reuse the material and/or not mar or mark up surrounding area. You take the bent side of the bar get it behind the trim/case/base and instead of applying pressure on the flat side of the bar you put pressure on the edge of the bar. This does 2 things multiples leverage and keeps the marring behind the peice you are removing. Maybe you know this trick and forgot to share but it is by far the most useful aspect of a flat bar for remodeling

[@zachklaphaak441]

Archimedes, not aristotle.

[@beauthoney1656]

Scott Wadsworth for President

[@charliekingpin8568]

Your right on with this if mostly over looked but if you know the time and effort you can save is amazing one got one bar more than me :)

[@69adrummer]

Man, it might be a great day after all, starting with a video from E.C.!!

[@chrismullin8304]

I will point out, he does not need to drip feed the items, while hiding the rest (so many channels do) because it’s the insight of his uses of the tools, I desire. So I watch the whole vid.

[@BrittCHelmsSr]

Great review of bar tools. It really is about using the right tool for the job. My father-in-law will be 83 just three days before Christmas this year. He absolutely amazes me with his abilities and work ethic. He is a "work smarter, not harder" sort of guy and three years ago moved out of a 20 acre farmsite with a 40 by 60 shop, with my mother-in-law, to a lot not much bigger than the 2500 square foot two-story house that was on it. I was the benefactor of much of his downsizing of tools and equipment. He still amazes me at the things that he WANTS to do but is smart enough to get his sons and I, who are 25 years his junior, to accomplish on his behalf. Kudos, Allen I. Steele I used to watch a DIY show (back when This Old House was about the only option) called Help Around The House which was hosted by a fellow named Henry Harrison. He demonstrated one of those slide-handled nail removers, and I knew immediately that I needed on. It took some time to find one, but what a fantastically designed and built vintage tool that is to have in one's collection.

[@underlinglabs2948]

As a Millwright I use prybars constantly. I noticed you didn't have any indexable-headed prybars on your list. you need a GEARWRENCH 29-48" Extendable indexing Pry Bar - 82248 on your truck. It will save your back when all else fails.

[@mabmachine]

Agreed, I somewhat recently found these and they're awesome.

[@danhammond8406]

Bought mine 3 years ago. First job was lifting a car that fell off the jack for a road side flat repair.

[@donmunro7568]

I have been doing flooring for 33 years and one time we had to move a large fire safe. It was so heavy it bent the tongue of a stand up dolly. I came up with the idea to role it on wood broom handles.

[@doaimanariroll5121]

I went 4x4ing with my friend(in his 4x4) a while back and we got a flat by running over a old railway dog. For some silly reason my mate didn’t have a jack. But he had an axe. I was so glad I had been shown how to improvise leverage by my my grandad. We chopped down a long tree, rolled over a big log, lifted up the corner of the car and changed the tyre.

[@tillerjets]

I am not a carpenter, but an excavation guy. I’d like to add to this list a digging bar, also known as a Fresno bar. Imperative for underground utility work and so many other things. From prying up cut asphalt, sending gasket jointed pipe home, digging in hard ground, lifting manhole lids or storm crates, or repairing equipment. Everyone needs a good 5’ digging bar in their collection.

[@bigwave_dave8468]

ohhhh...I never understood the sliding nail pry bar -- I have one that probably came from my granddad. I never used the lever, just the slide hammer portion.

[@krenwregget7667]

great video Scott. Your ability to communicate is a real gift to us, thank you.

[@LetsBuildAHouse]

Such a pro!

[@tmontel2116]

I've been watching you since your first circular saw video 5+ years ago. I haven't seen you on my feed in a year or so and here you are. You haven't aged a day friend. I can't even explain to you how much I have learned from you over the years. 5 years ago I had no idea how to do anything. So many of your videos have helped me in home ownership and I thank you so much glad to see your videos on my feed again! I've got a lot of catching up to do.

[@bdpgarage]

Just discovered these a month or two ago for lifting concrete. I don’t know why I didn’t have one years ago.

[@dannix1353]

Than Crescent #56 Sure-Grip nail puller is the best. But, be aware, that sliding handle will give you one bad-ass blood blister if your hand is up above the bolster. How do I know......?

[@electroluxlad]

Makes me laugh every single time I think that that bar was really cheap 😂 I almost bought one I went to a company and I found one original kind like yours And almost had a heart attack right there when I found out the it was $300 bucks. I keep telling myself I will buy one but still having some need for it and one day when I need it I bet I will until that day it’s going to stay there in the store

[@BobBlarneystone]

a Halligan - named for New York City Fire Department (FDNY) First Deputy Chief Hugh Halligan in 1948.

[@c.garison3770]

WHAT!!!! No Johnson Bar???? The Johnson Bar is the millwright's best friend. It might also be friend to a few riggers as well. For work around my family compound, the spud bar is one of my best friends.

[@freohr16]

Archimedes had the lever say-so, not Aristotle. Love the practicality of this knowledge, though Scott. Thank you!

[@johnelliott4320]

I am a crane operator by trade, the company I work for we do a lot of tilt wall precast, the brick layers use burke bars all day long to adjust the panels I think about this channel every time I see them pull the burke bats off the truck in the morning

[@fredflickinger643]

Essential leverage!

[@biblejournaling66]

Great video but don't forget the Johnson bar for really big stuff. Basically a longer Burk bar with a pair of wheels acting as a fulcrum and makes it easy to move.

[@peterbarlow8912]

Love the Burke bar. Its like a an all metal Johnson bar without the wheels. A mattock is useful for prying and lifting especially in close quarters. Carefull prying hard with your digging bar they will bend at the top to the blade. A heavy square bottomed single bevel crow bar is less like to bend. That ‘Gorilla bar’ is similar to Granfors bars which are the best I’ve ever found. American cats paws suck compared to the Japanese style. They don’t have a well formed Vee notch and they tend to flare out over time . There’s not enough metal in strike zone.

[@motobenbh4722]

I never work alone: I've always got a couple of jacks and a flock of pry bars. I am Legion. A bucket full of wedges and some cribbing'll never go amiss neither.

[@Comm0ut]

You can afford a firemans Halligan or Pro Bar and might enjoy one of the custom tools like the wedges and or sledge hammer with mating bracket. The design of the Halligan, Pro Bar etc is amazingly versatile which is why the pros prefer them to most plain bars. Needless to say they are FAST in the right hands (videos of bar use and breaching are worth a watch. I don't do enough demo in crippled retirement to buy new but may anyway for giggles.

[@Hato6]

In Sweden we call the "gorilla bar" a "Cow foot" (Kofot). And everyone uses them for everything... 👍

[@ClintL63]

Door bar? I call it a flatbar: whatever; I use it every day even more than my hammer; I mostly lose one on every job! LOL! Estwing has a good one, but the Stanley is the best; Burk bar is my second and comparable to the big Johnson bar;

[@rossmarkle1713]

Every job has the right tool waiting for it. My 70 yesrs of sge frirnd always say push buttons snd pull levers always 🤣🤷‍♂️👍

[@BrianHolcombewoodworker]

This is such an excellent video. Thank you for sharing your experience.

[@JOGJAKARYA]

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[@posterestantejames]

Well, Archimedes said that actually... But no biggie. Aristotle said a bunch of other good stuff.

[@srharris88]

Just curious, how are all the other contractors doing with finding jobs? I have had an extremely busy year, but now it is like somebody shut off the light switch. I have little to no work now. I have bid a few jobs for MUCH less than I had a few months ago and am still not landing them. Anybody else having this issue? Wondering if its bigger than just me.

[@craighellberg4366]

Could you please tell me the length the Burke Bar? I see 46” and 56” bars and trying to decide which one to purchase. Thank you for your time and your videos.

[@Fr3sh-Kush]

How hard is the steel on Burke bar? I used 2 different brands from my job but idk which brand is which. Both slightly different but spray painted by someone due to rust. One had a good springy snap , tiny bjt of flex in the blade which had its uses, but the other burke bar, had a less curved blade, was much heavier, harder steal, didnt have very much flex in the blade or handle. Was alot better for moving bundles of rebar and prying forms in very tight spaces

[@melvin_0bviously]

Gorilla bar…for…some light work…fits in a toolbox. Scott, that thing is 3’ long. You are all our Daddy’s.

[@charleywalker2982]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and keep your videos coming please, we really appreciate them.

[@Troph2]

Dear god no, THE DAY I can retire I'm leaving a cloud of dust in the parking spot where my car sat and never looking back.

[@NSResponder]

Have you done a video on rigging ropes and pulleys?

[@xyzct]

I live on the northern Oregon coast, which is Cascadia Subduction Zone megathrust earthquake territory. A burke bar in a disaster/rescue situation would be a Godsend.

[@joeidaho5938]

The pry bar with a right angle end....is the best one for your money...as far as overall carpentry. However, you could certainly use one that is of better quality. Best ones are made in Sweden. I find the US bars, on the whole, are not made of high enough quality steel. They are much easier to break than a swedish bar. The Swedes seem to pride themselves, just like the Japanese....at working metal to higher standards. The swedish bar has a much finer taper....and the steel is incredibly strong. I've seen too many American-made bars break under pressure...or get dented badly at the taper end. The swedish bar also does not need to add so much weight to the straight section, in order to avoid the bar bending. It's night and day, in comparison to the American-made pry bars. Yes, the swedish bars cost significantly more then the American ones...but they last a lifetime. That's money in your pocket.

[@michaelpayne8102]

Great pry bar assortment, on a side note every Carpenter should have at least one bottle jack on the truck.

[@k.d.8924]

Amen to that. I also keep a highlift jack in my tool trailer. Between a 20 ton bottle jack, a 2 ton highlift, and an everything else burke bar, I can handle most things.

[@jothain]

Hmmm. Levers are good, but it would've been worth noting others than stuff made before Jesus. Like modern mechanic bars that have adjustable head. Beats the S out of most short prybars as it's you who defines the fulcrum point, not the tool designer.

[@frankcurley]

You call it a "dig-out bar"...I call it a Number One, First- Class bloodblister maker!

[@jamesferris68]

Actually, it was Archimedes who said that about levers, not Aristotle.

[@mooseman6226]

That nailpuller have a big disadvantage, too big to always be with you. I use an Hultafors Atle or a Bacho 36, both fit in a belt. Why bring a long handle when you already have your hammer for leverage?

[@mosotogari]

So I basically idolize you and as much as it pains me to have to do this I find myself in a position where I can't, in good conscious, look the other way. At about the 00:21 you attributed a quote regarding the use of levers to Aristotle when in fact it was Archimedes who made the statement that became the quote. It went "Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world.. " I truly mean no disrespect, but I decided that it was worth risking offense to give Archimedes his due...

[@toddavis8603]

"I love to pry-----with pry bars!"East Coast Journeyman

[@juligrlee556]

I have a 5 foot length of hardwood 2x3 that I use to lift my tractor out of any wet holes it fell into. I also use it to lift it enough to put my 2 ton jack under the front of my tractor so I can back out of the hole while my front of the tractor is in the air. I need a 6 ft hard wood pry bar to lift a wooden tree branch about 18 inch in diameter and 16 feet long. My light weight tractor won't pull it. But I want to winch it up to a branch of the tree that is about 20 foot above ground so I can swing or winch the log nearer to the tree. The tree is over 200 years old and my goal is to build a border around the base of the tree. I want to build a strong structure above that area and elevated by the fallen logs that is protected from falling branches and from the rain, a place where I can go read, watch nature, sleep etc. I used to pick up 8x8 treated wood 20 feet long. I can't do that anymore. My back won't let me. But with an overhead winch I should be able to make that strong under tree structure to rest, relax, enjoy nature and watch the deer, birds etc. The tree is Oak but the branches are stiff and fall off. Maybe I should weld some steel for my own protection. I just don't want to dig a 4 foot hole for concrete like years ago for my 20 foot x ten foot lean off of my barn. I'm 80 and always work alone so I need leverage, and overhead winching. I used to do a lot of power rigging in the steel industry when I was much younger. It was fun. But back then I had a crew and power cranes etc. I hope you find this interesting about our eternal aspirations and brain power.

[@RalphSampson...]

You plan on going until 80?! Man, I hope I don't. I'm tired at 57. I'll have to go, at least, until 72. I hope I can quit then...if not sooner.

[@Gravitycrazy]

Good picks for sure, though instead of a simple flat bar I'd use a wonder bar. Stanley makes a great one. There's a rounded portion a half circle used for leverage and the flat of the bar is of set around 25-30 degrees really good for getting more leverage on a wide area if you can't get something like a J bar in it

[@ethanrchitty371]

In Indiana, the “gorilla bar” is often called a “wrecking bar.” The “dig out bar” is referred to around here as a “slide hammer nail puller” and they are the best thing in the world for pulling nails out of corrugated pole barn siding and roofing.

[@texasroots]

Thank you for the video. I was looking for something else but I have one of those old usa made dig out bars that looks just like yours. I was using it wrong(previous owner instruction) and thought it was worthless. Now I see how to use it correctly and I see new light. Thank you. I have a question. I have a couple ~5ft old pry bars that are bent; what kind of steel is used in those? Can I heat it to bend it straight or would that weaken it? Thanks again!

[@splinky99]

Aristotle…how very smart you are….you are sooooo smart…. How very knowledgeable!

[@bcbloc02]

Some bars just work better than others.

[@choimdachoim9491]

It's funny how something so simple is so essential...basically different versions of a lever. You covered lots of detailed uses. Great lesson.

[@treyhart6861]

Wife: How many crowbars do you need?! Me: MORE!!!!

[@benjaminjwilson6694]

I use a snap-on 650 or something like it a few times each day. Size is not always everything.

[@Tractor_101]

The Johnson bar is also a great bar to have with the cape abilities of being able to lift and roll around very heavy objects.

[@hfaour1978]

What about Indexing Prybars? Can you make a vedio about them?

[@misplacedhillbilly7594]

I do mostly repair and refurbish work on mobile homes for a mortgage company. My most used pry tools are flat trim/moulding bars. The next for me would be the door bar. If you do allot of removing and replacing of trim work a set of flat trim bars is essential imho.