was this a fumble

[@pschighlights]

What do you guys think? Sorry I’m kinda late KZbin was being dumb 🙄

[@aaronballer2131]

Not fumble

[@CMC1587]

when is youtube not dumb lmao

[@cancelanime1507]

Not a fumble

[@jphillips13]

It wasn’t (Michigan fan)

[@aaronking3436]

It's too close to tell definitively, so I think the refs made the right call

[@ValensBellator]

One of those calls where you just gotta stick with the original call. It’s so perfectly timed!

[@hoopsdaily617]

@harlequin2280 exactly 🤦‍♂️

[@CyclonexxxIce]

Hate this laziness honestly. They are looking at it on a granular level at a zillion frames per second. If they are reviewing it they shouldn't let the call on the field, which was at full speed and was disputed, affect their decision in replay.

[@ValensBellator]

@@CyclonexxxIce The point is when something is too close to call you just go with the original call rather than flipping a coin. I cannot imagine the fury if they just allowed them to arbitrarily overturn ties… it’s the only system that works.

[@countryboy6855]

All I'ma say is home team 😂😂

[@dubvideos]

kinda like that strip sack fumble touchdown when they didnt do that

[@tonypreston7278]

Meanwhile Iowa is getting destroyed by Wisconsin and have 0 yards of offense at halftime Edit: 17 yards and 1 first down 3 turnovers

[@pschighlights]

Can’t believe Iowa tricked us into thinking they were a top 5 team 😅

[@ALTAIR2]

So they're doing a David Carr and the Houston Texans

[@spacestarkid28]

Iowa fake ID of CFB.

[@rgygduysdgyuygsduysd]

Iowa got exposed last week, so this week isn't a surprise

[@davids9520]

Up, down, it changes every week in the Big Ten.

[@BHTheKid5]

Bigger question: Why no pylon/down the line cams in such a big game?

[@kdogg6781]

or in every game?

[@joeschlotthauer840]

@@kdogg6781 Agreed, just like in horse racing...

[@WillHarville92]

@@joeschlotthauer840 and the NFL

[@marquette92]

There are no big games in the Big Ten that don’t include Ohio State

[@BHTheKid5]

@@marquette92 I wouldn’t go that far. This was a top ten slugfest. A real banger.

[@danielpenrodii2389]

I’m genuinely shocked at how many collegiate and professional players simply let go of the ball mere inches before the goal-line.

[@toddtaylor6506]

It really looks like it just slips on him though ... not like the dopes that toss it away on the freaking two or something.

[@takaedzachirowodza601]

@@toddtaylor6506 it does not just slip. He relaxes as he is crossing the line. Poor play

[@garymorris1856]

yes, I agree. it is very stupid.

[@garymorris1856]

@@takaedzachirowodza601 Not really a fumble, but still a very dumb thing to do.

[@dutdut2.059]

I think he just dropped the ball

[@jeffmcconaughy1525]

I have no issue with the ruling on this play. There wasn’t enough evidence to overturn the call on the field. Likewise, there was insufficient evidence to overturn the fumble and Michigan TD later in the game, but they did. It’s THAT play that I have a big problem with.

[@dhinton1]

i agree wholeheartedly. i am pretty positive that play should have stood as called on the field. hell ... the ENTIRE broadcasting crew said so. i said THEN to track those four points. and THOSE FOUR POINTS were the final margin of this game.

[@dhinton1]

while i'm not calling myself Nostradomus .... the truth is, Michigan was up 20-14 when the play started. it SHOULD have been 27-14, and all the momentum going into the half on the sideline of Michigan. instead ... even those Michigan DID kick a FG right before the break ... 23-14 did NOT have the same feel. and even when Michigan scored a TD out of the break to go up 30-14 ... Michigan State was still in the game.

[@dubvideos]

yeah they should suspend the ref crew, either you need indisputable evidence to overturn the ruling on the field or you dont. the only consistency with that rule the refs had was the team they favored with it twice.

[@catchifyoucan232]

@@dubvideos cry.😂😂😂

[@dubvideos]

@@catchifyoucan232 lol just wait till yall play ohio state in ohio state. youll get none of those calls.

[@bradenstewart6270]

Fumble? By the rule book no… Could it have been? Absolutely

[@fastrussman]

As a neutral party I think it looks like a touchdown. The ball comes out of the crease of the elbow right as he steps on the goal line. The ball was being carried in front of his foot at that time, which means that the ball crossed the plane of the goal line while he had control! Good luck in the future!

[@joelbrooks3198]

Excellent comment.

[@paulebelmesser2699]

100% Agree

[@pi3man252]

Yeah as a state fan obviously I wanted it no matter what but even I wasn't sure. It's like literally just barely any part of the football has to cross the plane and you can't really overturn it when it's called and its that close.

[@garylillich2311]

I am not a football expert by any means, but if it was a fumble and one of his teammates lands on top of the football, it Word still be a touchdown right?

[@skylaryoung3819]

@@garylillich2311 I’m not sure what the college rules are, but in the NFL the answer would be “yes” as long as it’s not in the final two minutes of either half. Only the initial ball carrier can pick it up and advance it during that time.

[@jamessi3581]

Not a fumble. The ball crosses the plane being held. It begins to slip out when the foot hits. But....when the foot hits, the ball has crossed the plane already (in possession).

[@AlBeQuirky]

There was no angle to show that he fumbled before breaking the plane, at least what is on this video. It definitely looked close for sure. When his foot touches the goal line, his hand with the ball is already ahead of it and the ball starts to slide out. Called a TD on field, keep it a TD.

[@rachet0704]

There was no angle showing that the MSU qb was down before he fumbled that ball, not 1 square of film, yet that didnt stop them from reversing it. Like I said I'm a SEC fan but the Big10 should be embarrassed by that officiating but something tells me that this was just what they wanted.

[@javtimestwo]

Leave it to Fox Sports to have no camera angle on the end zone line. I guess they prefer to have their cameras elsewhere, LOL!

[@jamestaylor1754]

Good analysis

[@pi3man252]

@@rachet0704 eh not really you can clearly see thorns calf is down with a couple fingers on the ball tucked in his thigh. The question is did they rule that as control of the ball or not. They had evidence they just made a decision that is questionable on the rules.

[@thomraine600]

They never showed or tried to show the shot from the pylon camera or straight down the goal line. Makes ya wonder why !!

[@toddmalicoate7537]

The better question is … when are these dummies going to put cameras looking straight down the goal lines? This comes up way too much, and it’s never “conclusive.”

[@bobthethird575]

For real

[@FaffyWaffel]

It’s too difficult. It’s dangerous to have a cameraman on that spot and the logistics behind a floating cam is crazy. If the camera is too far, it would be hard to distinguish objects like the ball, and for a good zoom and enhance camera would be too expensive to have on the sidelines like that.

[@ExtremefitnessLe]

@@FaffyWaffel you’re telling me the multi billion dollar NFL can’t afford that?

[@mcrked]

@@ExtremefitnessLe Ah yes, the NFL. Michigan State is my favorite NFL team

[@brianm6117]

A camera right down the goal line wouldn't have made a difference in this instance.

[@ak.foesev]

I’m not even a fan to either of thee teams. But I was going to be really mad if they called a fumble.

[@melonking109]

IT LITERALLY WAS A FUMBLE

[@kazuruto]

It wasn't a fumble though. The ball crossed the goal line before he lost any control. Take his feet out of the equation, and even a person with 6 years of amateur experience could tell it was a touchdown

[@countryboy6855]

He was even thinking he fumble 😂

[@zeroregrets1888]

@@melonking109 nah

[@kazuruto]

@N Mussell But your wrong, the 7 points says your wrong, a bunch of other people say your wrong. Sooo.... ya wrong

[@josephsilva8106]

As a Michigan fan.. No.. It was not a fumble.. But the strip sack and recovery by Hutch in the endzone was.. 4 points lost. Yes, we still give it away, but like it or not.. That shit matters.

[@shawnmicheal8]

U guys have harbaugh attitude it's never michigan everyone's against us waaaa waaaa fucking waaaaa ...always a victim ..

[@BDalms]

@@shawnmicheal8 Pretty common for B1G refs to cater to the home team. There were several questionable reviews & to say otherwise is just being an idiot.

[@Bazzookie]

@@BDalms You simply cannot blame the refs. Michigan State was down 16… 16 points… Michigan allowed a 16 point comeback and then continued to choke not being able to convert at all by the end of the game. When Michigan NEEDED to get a stop, they choked. When they absolutely NEEDED To put points on the board, they choked. By the 4th quarter Michigan had completely fallen apart mentally. They’re a weak football organization, they always have been. They’ve never been good in big games, and have always checked out too early. Michigan State has had the Wolverines number for over a decade now for that very reason. The refs had nothing to do with that, and blaming them is a lame excuse. All you’re doing is simply failing to acknowledge the fact that your team did not step up to the challenge when they needed to, and a lot of that is on the coaching staff and the entire culture. Michigan state is 10-4 against Michigan ever since the little brother comment was made in 2007.

[@10thletter40]

@@Bazzookie What kind of argument is that lol. Who cares how well they played, a call is a call. Yeah they _should_ have done better, that doesn't make that call any less crucial 😅

[@mazeandblue6378]

@@Bazzookie bruh you don’t have to make an article about it and the refs simply just suck and there were 9 reviewed plays and all went in Michigan.states favor in other ways it was in Michigan states Stadium and the refs always hate Michigan as the away team and the strip sack was a touchdown and if the refs didn’t suck we whould of won. In conclusion:MICHIGAN STATE SUCKS AND THE ARE CHEATERS

[@BlueVoid]

the fumble is when Michigan scored a touchdown and they overturned it when it was 100% a touchdown

[@NigelThornbery]

I still get surprised how many of these fumbles or even close calls happen every season at the goal line with nobody around them.

[@Layuth]

If it was me I would have have that ball tucked until I ran out of the BACK of the endzone.

[@owendoak7908]

It looks like the ball just got across as he starts to lose it. Verdict: Touchdown

[@christopherfoote4643]

Fumble through the back of the end zone. Touchback. Easily. Bad call made worse by failure to reverse it.

[@jjlenny]

@@christopherfoote4643 , not sure what camera angle you see to be so definitive. I don't see one. And since the ball only has to touch the line, and not cross it, how in the world could you reverse this?

[@christopherfoote4643]

@@jjlenny I am suggesting that there was a fumble and the NCAA maybe ought to have taken a closer look. He was having difficulty keeping the football in his arms before he completely lost control.

[@christopherfoote4643]

@@jjlenny I'm not reversing anything. I'm saying it was a touchback. There are rules that follow any play that ought to be followed. Otherwise it's just kids out there exercising their bodies. I'm not the replay official. It isn't my decision. I'm saying it looks like he fumbled while passing the goal line.

[@owendoak7908]

@@christopherfoote4643 I don’t get why there wasn’t a pylon cam. Because that would have shown it 110%

[@Imkohlton]

No issue with the ruling, if it was ruled a fumble and then touchback originally and stood i dont think id have an issue either. Ruling on the field was super important.

[@chickenbobgaming3004]

No if he is still touching it, it technically does not leave his possession. I swear ive seen something like this before, and the player bobbled the ball a bit as he ran in the endzone, still a touchdown cause he had his hands on the ball

[@codyhiler257]

"Touching the ball" does not constitute possession.

[@tcgcardssayer1566]

he clearly doesn't maintain possession. having possession means having control of the ball. prob is it has to be irrefutable evidence.

[@jerrypolston8829]

It's total control and posession, not just touching it. This was probably a fumble, but without being able to determine the exact moment of loss of control, can't overturn.

[@rilwanhussaini8915]

@@codyhiler257 exactly

[@codyhiler257]

@@jerrypolston8829 It was a 50/50 call that they had to stick with on the field which I get. But then to overturn that fumble/touchdown was complete and utter bs.

[@ruraladventurer1884]

It was razor-close but it looks like he broke the plane first. Bad ball discipline either way.

[@jathanrademaker9274]

discipline ur balls

[@davids9520]

From some one from the state of Michigan, that was a home team call. It was so close. MSU bugged me a little with all those time outs. Legal, but not a classy thing to do. Good game. More offense than I expected. I just hope whomever wins, doesn't blow it next weekend! (g)

[@seanb2995]

Not a classy thing?? His he suppossed to just let you have the 3 points 😆

[@davids9520]

@@seanb2995 What it says to me, is MSU is just getting desperate. Plus it makes the NFL look smart, for outlawing more than one time out to freeze a kicker. The words, NFL and smart, just don't fit together! (g)

[@davids9520]

MSU can't complain about not getting the calls in this game. The refs have called most everything for the Spartans. It makes the referees look bad.

[@joelbrooks3198]

It's not his fault. College football is stupid for not having a rule outlawing 2 timeouts in a row.

[@davids9520]

@@joelbrooks3198 True. But it is annoying. It annoyed me. It effects how you watch the game.

[@slpater1]

at 52 seconds in this clip. once his left foot come all the way forward follow that foot until it stop moving forward, recognize the ball is about a foot farther forward. it clearly breaks the line of the goalline before he loses possession

[@seabeejg]

It shouldn't even be happening. These players that do this have some faulty wiring in their brains.

[@Boatflipit]

@@seabeejg faulty wiring and 5 touchdowns 🤣

[@seabeejg]

@@Boatflipit 4 TD and one faulty wiring fumble that was called a TD. And if it were correctly overturned, it would have cost them the game. Like I said, faulty wiring.

[@coreyhall1266]

@@seabeejg stop hating man he crossed the line

[@seabeejg]

@@coreyhall1266 I don't have a dog in the fight. Not hating. He did cross the line, but the ball started coming loose just before it reached the line. Fumble, touchback. I just like to uphold the integrity of the game.

[@matthewcritchfield6997]

I don’t have a dog in this fight either way but the ball is coming loose as soon as his foot touches the stripe, they could’ve easily called this a fumble

[@jaceh4942]

You could argue that he lost control by the time his foot touched the ground, but his foot definitely crossed the plain before it came out.

[@matthewcritchfield6997]

@@jaceh4942 I hear u bud , but it’s the ball that has to cross the line, either way it’s super close

[@E17-v1o]

This was a TD. The other fumble that got overturned was CLEARLY a fumble.

[@chewycatino6439]

AS he drops it, his actions clearly go to recovering a fumble !

[@eats4cheaps305]

You mean not a fumble? Both were insufficient to call a fumble.

[@RCmack]

Michigan State caught a huge break on that one because that was a fumble. Michigan's Aidan Hutchinson had a touchdown taken away from him.

[@tristancampbell4941]

I think so, but the camera angles they had weren't straight, so they wouldn't be able to change it

[@williamkeene9032]

That's one where if you're rooting for state it's a touchdown and if you're rooting for the wolverines it's a fumble. If you're the booth review guy you're fkd either way so you give it to the home team.

[@MatthewHackett]

On close calls like that they usually go with the call on the field but you have to be consistent. They didn’t give Michigan their strip sack touchdown

[@rickl.461]

The camera in front of the player shows the beginning of losing possession while his left foot is two inches off the ground, at 0:52. The angle at 0:38, while the left foot is still off the ground, shows the ball possibly breaking the plane. It looks close to simultaneous.

[@michaelzoran]

The BIGGEST mistake of the game was Harbaugh allowing McCarthy to come back in the game after having fumbled on the previous drive. The very next play from scrimmage was another fumble - which resulted in Michigan State taking the lead that won the game.

[@crazyybutt2494]

And that’s why they NEED to get rid of Harbaugh he just doesn’t make good decisions anymore and overall isn’t that good of a coach for that reason they need to fire him after this season he should have been out last season or the year before.

[@Spartan_AG_999]

You are correct about that sir! As soon as the freshman fumbles in a big boy game like this your ass is on the bench and not coming back in! But they put him right back in and guess what happened?!

[@rcourt879]

JJ McFumbles will learn from his mistakes.

[@davidburkholder7360]

You are right. Harbaugh gave it away especially when you consider just how bad the MSU quarterback "played." Having said that one expects these decisions from Harbaugh. Sad but true.

[@thatguyyoudontknow]

I was terrified on this. As a near pro athlete, hold onto that ball 5 yards deep, then throw it or whatever else you wanna do lol.

[@ronhobbz1114]

It's close but I'm glad they gave it to him coach should still cuss him out like score then celebrate

[@benjaminclark250]

He wasn’t celebrating the ball is went cause it’s raining I’m Michigan right now or it was before game time

[@ronhobbz1114]

@@benjaminclark250 he was lookin at his self run in the endzone on the big screen lol he was thinking about celebrating

[@crazyybutt2494]

He wasn’t celebrating yet you could see he was gonna start but the ball just slipped out that a case of holding the ball too tight when it’s wet you could see he slipped at the end too

[@jmm1817]

I agree 100%... hold on to the freaking ball idiot

[@jmm1817]

@@ronhobbz1114 exactly! I wish He would have tried that with Dick Butkis on the field. before the snowflake celebration generation

[@stevebabiak6997]

DeSean Jackson: Dude, that’s not how you do it if you’re gonna showboat, you need your hands free before crossing the goal line.

[@randallanderson1632]

Way back when, when I was one of the four or five best athletes on my suburban block during the late 1960s, we always went by the notion that if there was a close call, the call went in the direction of the better athleticism demonstrated on the play. So, since this run in the video was a darn good one, the run matters more than a possible fumble, and the TD stands.

[@NoKappWithJamesKapp]

Why didn't they use the pylon cam?

[@Hockeyguy27]

I wanted Michigan to win this game, but if they hadn’t ruled that a touchdown I would’ve flipped out. Even if the runner had let the ball go a half step early, it’s clear and obvious that he was scoring a TD. Would’ve gone against the good nature and sportsmanship of the game to not call that a TD.

[@tlaf-yh2px]

good nature and sportsmanship ... participation trophys too?

[@Hockeyguy27]

@@tlaf-yh2px you obviously must be a “fan boy” and not someone who actually played sports competitively at a high level or probably any level. I said what I said because I’ve played sports at a high level. This isn’t about participation awards and being a soft athlete or person. It’s about winning because you actually deserved to win and not because of some BS technicality in the rules. Guys like you don’t understand this concept because you think a win is a win. But I’ve won enough times to know that when you win and didn’t deserve it, it’s just not the same. Vegas may pay it out like a win but the athletes all know the truth. That’s what I’m talking about. Being a good sportsman doesn’t make you a bad athlete, it makes you a respectable and honorable one.

[@tcgamezandsports6394]

I’m not sure but I don’t think you can overturn that because it’s hard to tell

[@jimminithecritic8623]

So, I don’t think it was a fumble. However Walker should not of done that. Too close

[@fuukatrice]

Considering how he slipped on the turf after trying to get the ball back, I don't think that he was celebrating by flipping the ball. I'm pretty sure it just slipped out from being wet.

[@roderickclerk5904]

Looked accidental

[@crazyybutt2494]

I love in MI and it had been raining all night and had started to rain before the game

[@Jukelikesgames]

It’s actually insane it’s 2021 and runners are still doing this

[@noahballard1469]

Michigan fan: That’s a touchdown ball crossed plane and is still in his hands for a split second before it falls.

[@benjaminweinstein3046]

Michigan State fan: that was 100% a fumble 🤣

[@ChristopherHasenRedsFan1979]

That one wasn’t but the one near the end of the half where Michigan got the fumble recovery TD was…every single review Sparty got favored in…they gave up 550+ yds and somehow managed to escape…makes you wonder

[@averagejonathansmithenjoyer]

Thorne's shin was down and the don't even try to blame u of m's loss on the refs. The refs didn't make jj fumble twice. The refs didn't force michigan to kick a bunch of red zone field goals. Stfu

[@ChristopherHasenRedsFan1979]

@@averagejonathansmithenjoyer no they didn’t make him fumble but they def affected the score…that was 4 pts for the Thorne fumble, and it was…the announcers said call should have stood. There were also 2 pass interference calls they missed when Michigan was on the comeback…it was way one sided

[@WeLuvStuds]

no(msu fan btw)

[@tatehild2322]

Yes(Michigan fan btw)

[@WeLuvStuds]

@@tatehild2322 😂

[@tatehild2322]

@@WeLuvStuds your quarterback just fumbled. No way that not a touchdown

[@WeLuvStuds]

@@tatehild2322 😂😂i’m glad they overturned it. Now we just have to stop yall from scoring before half‼️‼️

[@CMC1587]

@@tatehild2322 i cant lie to you, that shouldve been a fumble & td for you guys. that was so rigged

[@jlsabinas8578]

Even before he broke to his left to sprint to the endzone, #75 is doing a number on the lineman or linebacker that had his hands on Walker but couldn't bring him down because he was being tackled! Michigan sure got the short end of the stick on a number of important plays.

[@johnz8843]

Oh yeah 75 tackled the guy. Good observation.

[@stumpybubbles2592]

I personally see a loose ball as he crosses the plain, but their isn't enough evidence to over turn

[@nate24680]

could have been called back for a push in the back for #11 pushing #97

[@_________________________9790]

Coming from someone who lives in Michigan and didn’t care who one, this game actually pissed me off. This was a home team advantage at its best the calls and non calls that were made were extremely bias to msu

[@mckinseyand2022]

Man...College Football is the best sports.

[@keithbiz85]

If it wasn't a rivalry game it would've been ruled a rumble but refs wanna get home safe tonight, so call stands.

[@brianshaughnessy4020]

It would have been a fumble if MSU was playing Ohio State.

[@brianm6117]

Has nothing to do with a rivalry game. There was no way they could conceivably overturn it as it didn't start moving until he was right at the goal line. It had to stand.

[@chachopaul695]

Michigan State Fan here. It was borderline and wouldn't have been a "Bad" call if they had ruled it a fumble. But the fumble near the endzone that michigan recovered and was overturned was absolutely a fumble in my eyes, we dodged a bullet with that one.

[@dan-Michigan]

If the game was in AA, both calls would have been in favor of the wolverines.

[@ipu085]

Somehow there’s not enough evidence to overturn this but there is for the fumble into the end zone that Michigan picked up and scored… literally the exact same amount of information… also jj sold 😐 refs missed hella calls 🤦🏻‍♂️ k9 best rb in the country but Michigan should have won it

[@isurrender3640]

This isn’t a fumble

[@crazyybutt2494]

MSU had so many holding calls and your running back just wasn’t the best this game and that’s what happens against a good team but still MSU had multiple calls on them you can’t say the calls weren’t going both ways yea the refs may have missed one or two but it’s gonna happen because there human and can’t catch everything

[@seanwalters1977]

Tons of missed holding calls all game for MU, questionable targeting and roughing the passer calls kept MU drives alive late in the game. Neither side can complain about the refs. It was not the reason for the outcome. The refs didn't cause a 16 point meltdown or a 200 yard 5td game from MSU's RB. 10/14

[@ipu085]

@@seanwalters1977 there were no targeting calls and it wasn’t even questionable the roughing the passer 😂

[@seanwalters1977]

@@ipu085 There definitely was a targeting call just no ejection. Still 15 yards and a first down. That roughing call was weak and you know it. Refs are not why MU lost.

[@randomanton]

there should be some kind of infrared beam that extends upwards from the goal line and a receiver inside the football that detects when the ball crosses the plane ( like an invisible fence for a pet) and snaps a photo at that exact moment.. but I'm sure that is easier said than done

[@Lithoxene]

I say "60% yes", but way too far from indisputable to overturn. Overruling the fumble recovery for a TD was a much more egregious call imo.

[@p1ls726]

You gotta go with the original call, its literally simultaneous with breaking the plane when he loses control

[@TheRealMacAndCheese]

MSU has had two clear fumbles waved off by the ref's. They're lucky this game isn't 27 to 7 right now.

[@MP197742]

There’s another angle that very much makes look like it’s a fumble. You have to sync two angles together using a cross-referenceable point, which is available. The view from the back of the end zone shows the ball is loose as his front foot hits the line. The other angle not shown here is up and down the goal line, unlike the angle from behind that’s shown here. You can’t see the football in the up and down the line angle, but at the instant his foot hits the line, it looks like his entire upper torso is out of the end zone. It’s really close. Needed to be looked at frame by frame to see if his upper torso was out when his foot comes down. Instead, they said call stands after about 30 seconds of review.

[@rcourt879]

No fumble, but Thorne's was. Who cares, if he made that far without being touched he deserves it. UM fan.

[@chrish5200]

That one Michigan state student in the crowd that saw it while everybody was celebrating

[@CouchGamer5]

MSU fan, yup, love Kenny, I think he's the Heisman winner, but yes, definitely a fumble.

[@Boatflipit]

Hell no not a fumble

[@mywifesboyfriendisfire]

After he broke the plane of the goal line, therefore, touchdown. If the goal line was another yard further, fumble.

[@juliangarces6431]

New question: was it not a fumble?

[@Dutchovenderlinde]

That was a damn fumble.

[@christianescarffullett4621]

Nah he was in the touchdown than he fumble

[@realdrew4593]

How are the cameras down the goal line not in every college and nfl game?

[@67L48]

I have that as a fumble. Very close, but it looks to me like it’s coming loose just prior to the goalline Touchback.

[@zigwil153]

are you commenting from the goal line on that side of the field?

[@67L48]

@@zigwil153 No. I'm commenting from my couch.

[@ParkRangerStan]

Based on the footage provided, the ruling certainly appears to be a fumble prior to the ball crossing the plane. Why? Because at 0:52 you can see that the ball is leaving the crease of his elbow prior to the ball carrier's left foot crossing the plane of the end zone; and ball carrier's left foot was ahead of the ball at the time. Therefore the fumble was initiated prior to the ball crossing the plane of the end zone. To those who say they would be upset if the touchdown were taken away: (1) the rules are not bias--each team plays under the same rules; (2) the ball carrier failed to meet the very simple condition for scoring, which is maintaining possession of the ball as it crosses the plane of the end zone. I assume this was ruled a touchdown due to some doubt existing as to whether or not the ball started leaving the crease of the elbow prior to crossing the plane, and that's fine.

[@Hhhytfresujkghivcj]

Yes he lost control on the line

[@brianm6117]

If he lost control on the line then its not a fumble. The second he hits the line its a TD.

[@DB-xp9px]

they weren't able to 100% confirm the sack/fumble/TD either way but ignored the ruling on the field. c'mon refs, be consistent.

[@ModeratelyAmused]

have to agree that without a view down the line, no way to tell if the ball is over the line or not before movement is visible. he just appeared to relax his arm and wasn't being one of those doofuses that purposely drops the ball at the goal line so no need to call him out here.

[@thebigchap101]

Show the next overturned fumble call that went in favor of State

[@joelbrooks3198]

Shin was down and he still held the ball. He was down.

[@andersonscott3326]

I think it is but not enough evidence to overturn it

[@robertbowman448]

Downfield official is in perfect position 3-5 yards off the pylon on the goal line. He has an unencumbered look down the goal line. I'm going with what he says. The ball has to be in his possession when it crosses the front edge of the white on the goal line. There is nothing to overturn it on replay.

[@kalebpesina4498]

This happened in OT when we were playing a top TAPPS teams from Houston n the ref said it was a fumble no score even tho we still fell on it n our coach yelled so is it a fumble or is it no possession n the ref said it’s a fumble it fell out in the end zone so no score

[@seawhales9437]

HOW ABOUT THAT BLOCK IN THE BACK AND HOLD BY #11 on MSU

[@Account-kx5vr]

All game, never seen such a poor display of officiating.

[@DragonWolfSpirits]

Touchdown, because that is what was called on the field and there is no discernable evidence otherwise. If they called fumble, it would've remained a fumble for the same reason. As a live referee on the field, I probably would've called it a touchdown as well.

[@dubvideos]

i get that but then the refs pulled a complete 180 and overruled a strip sack on the field without indisputable evidence.

[@redhog1arkie395]

No..he already broke the plane

[@crackerbarreIkid55]

If they want to go off of the criteria that bumping the pylon while diving out of bounds counts as a touchdown, this was definitely a touchdown. Did he bobble it, yes, but kept control long enough to cross the plane with it.

[@Jack44M]

The ball had broken the plane of the end zone. What part of that don't you see?

[@nickalfieri2736]

Why does Fox not have a camera on the goal line?!

[@MrJeffinLodi]

Keep in mind, the ball does not have to 'cross' the goal line, merely touch the plane of the goal line; significant difference

[@Timshel]

That thumbnail isn't really a fair picture because he was standing on the goal line with the ball in front of him (slightly). You would have to back up several frames to see where the ball was went it crossed the front of the goal line. It was MUCH too close to overturn the call on the field and I am glad they didn't!

[@gbeck6511]

it could’ve been called either way. there wasn’t enough evidence to overturn either call. even if they did call it a fumble, i don’t see enough evidence for them to overturn it. therefore, too close of a call to make a right decision.

[@bruconicinfernon4noplatoon317]

Hell YES it was a fumble. These HOTDOG moments reveal the players mental and moral capabilities.

[@karlmilne6446]

I don’t think this is a hot dog moment I see this as more of everything being wet and it slipped out because of that.

[@bruconicinfernon4noplatoon317]

@@karlmilne6446 , Even more of a reason to make sure you hold the damn ball over the line.

[@AlphaFF0709]

The very moment the ball breaks the leading edge of the goal line, the play is dead and the result is a touchdown.

[@bluehorseshoe444]

Multiple questionable calls went against Michigan today.

[@kevinbalcom1696]

of course , the loss had nothing to do with team's missed receptions , dropped pics , other team's comeback , or bad coaching calls , but...... only refs in green / white stripes

[@psfnnfl5753]

if you slow it down to 0.25 its a fumble

[@roberthicks636]

Two things happen very frequently in this rivalry. 1. MSU wins as underdogs 2. Michigan fans have excuses

[@andrewblakeslee8709]

Michigan State did not beat the Michigan Wolverines. The officials did

[@SamM-gl9zc]

Pause it with his foot on the line. The ball is a couple inches behind his foot and already out. Every questionable call went state's way, enjoy the win that was *Given* to you, spartan fans

[@vinceo1058]

The win is nice. What's even nicer is the 364 days of crying that inevitably follow. Keep that faucet open, Walmart.

[@michaelrodriguez1049]

I bet this guy looked at the screen and stared having a panic attack lol

[@khadafymanning9898]

I watched this whole game and I'm a LSU fan... I must say this tho..!!!, the refs cheated Michigan the whole game

[@Account-kx5vr]

Finally a logical person. It was unbelievable.

[@omnione12]

Freeze it at 0:52. It was coming out right before his foot touch the ground. However, the ball touched the line before he crossed within that same second. I froze it like 3 times on that 1 second. Its a touchdown

[@jonanderson8069]

Officials are talking to Spartan Bob during replays today.

[@ICLight412]

How the hell don’t they have cameras at the goal line?

[@HowBoutDemBoys]

I WAS AT THE GAME GO GREEN EDIT: NO HE WAS 6 YRDS IN THE ENDZONE

[@orangesharpy]

Just hold onto the ball securely until you are well within the endzone! How does this same type play continue to happen?

[@Mingura666]

He tried to recover the ball. He knew he fumbled.

[@Batman12810]

After watching both pro and college sports this year I'm convinced the refs don't know anything about anything anymore.

[@housepianist]

Yeah, the call was right. You could make a case that the ball was still in contact with his hand when he crossed the plane, even though it wasn't cradled within his arm, or against his body. The process of losing control occurred after he crossed it, meaning that the ball was no longer in direct contact with his hand.

[@meghan7547]

How does something like this even begin to happen with no one near him?

[@kenp7814]

1:05 ball crossed the plane with control

[@Lee-xu2wb]

If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

[@zedanide6984]

Top 10 MSU vs U of M game of all time. I'm a Michigan State super fan and when it reaches halftime and we were down 14 I went to bed. When I woke up, we won. If they aren't top 5 or top 4 then it's official: the ranking committee or whoever decides who gets what rank is a joke. Cincinnati shouldn't be #2

[@spr1ngcactu5]

he almost became internet famous for the rest of the century

[@walleyvideo8297]

Thanks for posting this video.

[@R1GODSPEED]

Why is Noone talking about the block in the back or the massive hold to get him thru the line

[@davidroseman4917]

At least he wasn't showboating just dropping the ball as he crossed the goal line. He just lost control of the ball