PSVR2 Is F*cked

[@deadeyedanhalloween6236]

Get that dream pc. And keep us entertained ❤

[@zero-vi6gl]

That’s a lot bro

[@colddogs]

@@zero-vi6glgood for them 👏

[@GreyMatterShades]

Yeah I think you're right. There's a slim chance we'll see more Sony funded third-party games announced in the future, but at this point I think if that happens, those deals were already in place before they backed away from PSVR 2. Ace Combat 8 hasn't been publicly revealed yet. It might be hybrid, but that would likely be the result of a deal signed before or shortly after PSVR 2's launch. I doubt any of the new Capcom games will have PSVR 2 support, as Sony paid for the previous versions, and it seems unlikely they'll continue to do so. As for Firewall Ultra, I think Sony hoped it'd sell a lot of headsets, but the terrible state of its launch torpedoed that possibility. Also, frankly, it was a terrible idea to launch a game like that, that early in the PSVR 2's lifespan. To me, that says Sony assumed PSVR 2 would sell a lot better than it did. Otherwise a big-budget platform-exclusive multiplayer-only live-service game just doesn't make any sense within the first year on the market. Even if it'd launched in a perfect state, it likely would've failed anyway due to the install base not being big enough to sustain continued development. I have similar concerns about Aces of Thunder, and I think it'd benefit from launching with a PC VR version and cross-play (which might explain the recent radio silence from that developer). Another sign Sony assumed PSVR 2 would be a hot ticket item is the fact it launched exclusively on Playstation Direct in many major markets. The only plausible reasons for that would be 1) the hardware is so expensive that Sony was trying to save money by cutting out other retailers (unlikely because PS Direct offers free shipping which would eat that margin anyway) or more likely 2) they thought it'd sell like crazy, and were afraid of a repeat of the PS5 scalping debacle. I really think we're back to arrogant Sony, like the early PS3 era. Seems like they expected PSVR 2 to just sell because it had Playstation in the name. The hardware is good, but their handling of the headset from a business/marketing standpoint has been utterly inept from the very start. Launching without a roadmap or a single first-party game announced for after launch was insane. How could they expect a mainstream audience to spend that much money on an accessory when they won't even commit to making more games for it? And yes, if they really have stopped any first-party support for it (which all signs indicate), that's frankly despicable. The PS Vita had more first-party support.

[@JimmyNuisance]

They almost definitely have stopped all first party dev. If we think about it: PS5 came out 4 years ago, realistically it has AT MOST 4 more years in it. AAA games take 4 years or so these days, so most of the sony studios are working on PS6 games right now. Games now take SO LONG to develop that the big AAA studios will make 1.5 games per generation.. This also explains why there's really no first party PS games for flat on the horizon either... They're working hard to get the PS6 ready in 3-4 years. Maybe even sooner. The first party games the PS5 is going to get have mostly come by now. We're entering the 30fps era from here on out. Pro gets 60fps, OG gets 30fps in games... It's the home stretch, and the last 3 years of consoles USED to be when the glorious games came out, but that ended with the PS4. They don't want to use their 1st party studios to make a 30fps action game for a 7 year old console.. The first party teams are working on PS6 next gen awesomeness.

[@zbigniewiksinski]

@@JimmyNuisance what are you blabbing about rotfl, ps6, abandoning vr2, cuz u didnt get astro bot announcement for vr lol. they announced pc mod, they put 5 games in ps+

[@hamzadesidragonsarwar]

It’s because the launch title for PSVR2 was another Forbidden West spinoff not Astro bot that was always a regular game on the PS5

[@Leanmojo6699]

Coming from a game dev myself: quest games can easily be made and verified, while psvr2 ports take FOREVER to get on there. I just stopped trying for that

[@jjsavior]

So your reason for not developing for psvr2 is quality control? Mind if I ask what games you have developed so that I can see them for msyelf?

[@Leanmojo6699]

@@jjsavior currently working on one for quest app lab

[@Thegooob95]

Again, it’s Sony killing it still.

[@JimmyNuisance]

@@jjsavior The quality control is stifling a lot of indie devs. Time isn't free, and the back and forth with Sony is very time consuming. On top of that, it's completely random.... Your awesome game might go through, might not.. Your horrible game might go through, might not.. If your game doesn't get released for whatever reason, you've lost a LOT of money trying to get into a VR market with 1 to 1.5 million units... Again, time is not free. Many indie devs are working with their own saved up money and have PROBABLY just one shot at success or they need to go back to their corporate shit job and grind it out until death. Good games get stopped all the time, and horrible games get through all the time.. Who wants to deal with that. Like Wingman got through cert... then was put on a fricken trailer for PSVR2.. Other indie devs struggle for months getting their successful Quest games onto the platform. It kinda seems like Sony got EVEN WORSE on this front this gen than during the PSVR1 era. If I was an indie dev I would not spend any time on PSVR2. Literally around 1/20th of the Quest userbase.. And 1/6th of the PCVR userbase. I would give PSVR2 the exact same treatment Sony is giving it.

[@stefandinu6389]

​@@jjsaviorthat would make sense if we didn't already have loads of shitty games on psvr2

[@sammysokosammysoko]

I completely disagree that the psvr2 is a lesser value proposition than the metaquest 3. The meta quest 3 is completely reliant on your PC's power, and wirelessly it has some problems. I know people who have experienced problems with it using it wireless, so that's not necessarily all it's cracked up to be for everybody. further, the psvr2 has eye tracking and foveated rendering, which significantly boost the visual performance such that you're getting a quality of a GPU a generation ahead of whatever you have if it's using that with regard to your frame rate and DRS if developers take advantage of it, finally, it has actual haptics in the headset and in each controller, along with adaptive triggers. The only people who think this doesn't matter are people who've never experienced it. The first time you stick your head under a waterfall in a game and feel the water hit your head, you will know that you're at the next level of immersion and you're not getting that on a metaquest. I'm not saying the psvr2 doesn't have its downfalls, and I totally agree that Sony has done an awful job of marketing what is an actually pretty impressive piece of kit. the OLED display has incredibly deep and Rich blacks, and it's hard for anything else to compete with that in this price range. further, it's been fairly consistent that the psvr2 version of most multi-platform VR games is as good or better than the other versions and when you're dealing with a PC you have to have something significantly beefier than a PS5 to run the games better if the games are using foveated rendering on the PS5, and any game that uses that on the PC is going to outshine the same components delivering that experience on another headset.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

If you're referring to the opening part with Greg Miller he says it's the better option when factoring in price and near identical library. I love the PSVR2 features you mentioned but with the price difference and the fact that only a small percentage of the PSVR2 library actually takes advantage of the DFR, it becomes harder to recommend, especially as Quest is the market leader and is guaranteed to be getting games throughout its life.

[@VDVrEquipment]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins Yeah but how many q3 users just hook it up to a pc and play steam games, essentially making it a pcvr headset, and with the adapter for psvr2 your entire point is moot. Meta may be a market leader, but they're only a market leader because they are burning billions in cash every quarter to subsidize their vr sector. Without that they wouldn't be the market leader, because their prices would be higher, and not as "affordable to the low end user market" and they would have to play by the rules Sony does. It doesn't take talent to undercut the market to gain market share by loosing billions. I for one don't like supporting businesses that engage in that behavior because it's a slimy business model that lots of companies do. Sony makes their share of weird bone headed decisions but they aren't operating like meta quest.

[@las549]

@@VDVrEquipment quest 3 has its own chip, battery, storage, better lenses, pixel density, game library, wifi capability, better cameras for passthrough. And its still cheaper than the psvr2…. Makes no sense

[@VDVrEquipment]

@@las549 It does when you understand how some companies operate. Meta is subsidizing the cost of their hmd, Sony is not. Meta is like the drug dealer that gets you hooked. They just got everyone hooked on artificially low vr pricing to gain market share, instead of drugs. They wouldn't be market leader in term of unit sold if they never did this. It's clear quest 3 isn't selling anywhere near the rate of quest 2. $500 vs $300, that $500 is closer to real cost and most casuals that bought the quest 2 won't at that price. So their hmd dominance is kinda a mirage. Casual gamers who experienced VR, bought it and used it for a month or two until it lost it shine don't count. This group generally doesn't buy lots of software. Companies do it all the time, undercut everyone lose billions, like meta is losing, gain dominance over the market then ratchet up the prices to normals levels, where they can make money. Once they own a large segment of the industry, people get locked in or trapped due to the cost of switching and the library they build. It's actually an unhealthy way to run a company and will eventually backfire on you. You're a paper tiger, when you operate like that.

[@las549]

@@VDVrEquipment you’re right.

[@Mamiya645]

PSVR2 was in the works before they moved headquarters and operations of the SIE side to California, after which they might as well have sold everything off to Microsoft for €3.50 then lost 95% of their staff. If the PC adapter really becomes a thing it'll be the cheapest stand-alone PC headset and with features beyond insanely good that will take the rest a few generations to get done and we can only dream. Good hardware is nothing without software support, and even a used Quest 2 has no right to look this attractive. Hecks sake Sony.

[@wjveryzer7985]

pc adapter official. 60$

[@BadRobo82]

Yeah, it's a bit doom and gloom, but I'm not surprised. The problem is that it's not just about Sony, but about VR in general. Meta, which is undeniably the leader when it comes to selling its headsets and is richer than Sony and focuses only on VR games, has released even fewer exclusives than Sony. Valve has released one exclusive game for VR. The entire gaming industry has a problem and costs are being cut wherever possible, at least now. Sony, as a company that focuses 90% on flat games, will not focus on the VR niche for now. Maybe this is a transition period or maybe not, we don't know. And sure, I know that the inability to play the new Astrobot in VR is a sign that something is definitely wrong, but I would wait before saying "PSVR2 is dead" and we will not receive any game from Sony on PSVR2. Maybe we will actually get the PSVR2 version of Astrobot later and the studio is currently focusing only on the flat version because they don't want to burden the studio with additional work for now. State of Play has always been treated as a show only of games that will be released by the end of this year and it is certainly not as important as the proper Show where Sony brings out the big guns. I sound like I'm defending Sony and hoping that something will change, but in my opinion these are the facts. We see layoffs everywhere and studios are being closed, large studios, so it's no surprise to me that if someone is worried about the future of the company, they cut costs wherever they can. And once again, VR is a niche in which games are difficult to develop due to greater freedom of movement, interaction and performance. Comfort is also a priority. Those who can play everything without any problems in VR are a niche within the niche that is VR.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

You make a lot of fair points about VR in general. Though imo, Sony were/are in the best position to do more for VR than even Meta, with their studios, IPs and 3rd party relationships, they were poised to elevate PSVR2 to new heights. As for Astro Bot, the RE4 VR Mode took 9 months to come out but that didn't stop Capcom from having "VR content in development" when they revealed it. What a lift that was for us. There's no benefit to keeping that info hidden from us if its happening.

[@BadRobo82]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins Even with their connections and more development studios, someone has to pay for these games, not much changes in this matter. Besides, as I said, Meta only deals with VR and Sony almost only makes flat games and has to deliver them non-stop. I don't know if you follow what's happening in the field of flat games, but gamers are still waiting for big titles and they say that Sony doesn't have 1st party games, so now imagine where they concentrate their resources (in GASS lol) When it comes to RE4, I agree, but maybe Sony doesn't want to reveal it so that flat gamers won't be mad that Sony doesn't focus on flat games and is wasting its energy on VR in an era where there are no great 1st party games. idk

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

@@BadRobo82 but that was supposed to be the beauty of hybrid games that they themselves pushed. They're developing these big titles for PS5, games like Returnal that we've already seen work in VR thanks to UEVR on PC, so adding in a VR Mode would be much less cost prohibited than developing something like COTM. I don't buy that people would be mad seeing a PSVR2 logo at the end of the Astro trailer. It didn't hurt RE4 one bit.

[@VRnamek]

fewer exclusives? Quest has plenty of good older minor exclusives, but just to cast light on the biggest: Asgard's Wrath 2, Assassin's Creed Nexus, Medal of Honor, Grid Legends, Dungeons of Eternity, Riven, Mudrunner... most games come first to it ("meta is beta"), many older games from psvr 1 and PC are there, as well as emulators, VR mods for classic games like Tomb Raider or Doom, and of course all the range of applications beyond gaming it offers, beginning with video watching and web browsing

[@BadRobo82]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins Look, I don't know what the fuck they're doing there, and I don't think many people do. These are just our speculations. I'm just looking at the gaming industry as a whole and where VR is.

[@GAMERTAGVR]

You’ve hit the nail on the head. Year 3 is worrying.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Luckily we'll still be looking forward to Phasmophobia coming in year 6.

[@LimbaZero]

Did they plan adapter box for psvr2 users that they can hook to pcvr with steam library.

[@neilranson4185]

I’m loving psvr 2, for the first time Ever it feels like the vr dream I had in the 90s come true. Sure it lacks first party support and some tripple a games but Iv still got around 25 games all of very high quality some of which are full length and many 15 plus hours. It’s more than enough to keep me going for a year or so and by that point there will be a number of high quality full games realised like metro, alien, etc

[@MeowtualRealityGamecat]

I’m happy with my psvr2 and all the games I have and the one’s I’ve got on my wish list. I will be playing this thing for years with all the good stuff. I don’t disagree that things could be different but can’t people love what they have. If your not happy sell it and get a quest

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

You say things could be 'different' but different to you is 'much better' to me; and your 'could' is my 'should'. If you buy a Porsche, you're right to think it should perform better than a Ford Fiesta.

[@VDVrEquipment]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins It does perform better than a Ford Fiesta. Performs better than quest on games that are on both systems. The psvr1 even has more power than a Q3 Ford Fiesta , which is proven by the graphical limits for Hitman 3.

[@Jdb63]

In all fairness, 7 exclusive games within the first year is fantastic. Doesn't change the fact that Sony is most likely done putting any funding into any more games for it

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Yes, year 1 was great. For some maybe reason enough to throw down the cash.

[@shenmeowzo]

Really sick of the negativity ngl. We've got an amazing library of games in the first 16 months, a higher overall bar of quality than any other headset in their 1st year and a bit. Just cos sonys not announced any more 1st p games yet doesn't mean its fucked. It just means we don't know their strategy.. could be playing a long game. All I know is I'm still drowning in a big back log and the next years worth of releases is stacked.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

You can blame me for being negative or you can blame the billion dollar corporation for making it so easy to be negative. If you believe they have something to show then pressure them to show it instead of complaining about me. They can show Wolverine 5 years before launch but not their PSVR2 games?

[@shenmeowzo]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins sorry dude didn't mean you specifically. It's these constant waves of negativity. I have been a Gamer since 1985 and I can never remember a time before now when people focused more on what they didn't get than on what we do get. My backlog is insane. Whatever economics is driving sonys decisions, it's crazy to say they've abandoned VR, with the huge investment in 2 generations of VR hardware, a unique feature set no other HMD has, more triple A games than all other headsets combined within the first year, and paying major studios to add free VR modes to their flagship games. And paying studios to add free upgrades to give us the best versions of many popular multiplats. Just coz we don't know their long term strategy, doesn't mean they don't have one.

[@MrJr1976]

@@shenmeowzo Where's my Statik Institute of Retention, GTS, Driveclub VR, etc PSVR2 ports?

[@delgat000]

I don’t think I’ve seen greater denial in a community than the gamecats. There’s no point in being loyal to a company that doesn’t care about you.

[@shenmeowzo]

@@delgat000 based on what? Coz some games we want to have happened in this first year and a bit of PSVR2 didn't happen yet? Look at PSVR1, Sony didn't do much in its first year. We've definitely got more this time around. They will come. [Pause]

[@hereward1971]

Monday morning..........If you look how the vita ended yes the red flags are there. the biggest issue is the ribbing you'll get when you get a quest! On the plus side (if it happens) you can run the psvr2 on a £500 pc and have access to the steam libary, and the cross platform titles your use to. Silver lining and all that, bucket half full. PSVR2 isn't dead yet it just needs Sony to come up with a plan other than "lets see what happens"

[@raphsaio5300]

Why are we talking like this PSVR 2's fault? PSVR2 - really great VR headset! It has more interesting features, and it's MUCH more comfortable than Quest's! Seriously. I often play on PCVR, and I really dream of the day when I can finally connect PSVR2 to PC. But what about Playstation of our days... LOL, this is not even close to the Playstation that I once knew and loved... :( Playstation has become boring! And really-really very greedy... They're not trying making fun anymore! Just money... Did we love Playstation for the cool and extraordinary AAA single-players system sellers? Well... Now they are making safe blockbusters, game services, and multiplatform - in the form of endless remakes, etc. At the end of this year, we will most likely see the PS5 Pro, and in 2026 - PS6. But have we really seen many next-gen games? No! Most are still either coming out on PS4, or honestly not interesting. Consoles are coming out more and more often, game budgets are getting bigger and bigger. But really good games... There are only fewer of them! Playstation nowadays can't even support what they've already released and sold to people. A funny fact - PSVR 2 is probably the only next-gen that we have seen from Playstation in this generation. But yeah.. Playstation fucked that up too. Seriously, we shouldn't blame the device. We should to blame Playstation - that is what it has become and their current leaders who led to this! P.S. I apologize for my poor English - I'm from the CIS.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

I'm not blaming the headset. The fault is 100% on Sony and I'm not sure why you think I said otherwise.

[@CORNERSTONECITY777]

I have my psvr1 hooked up to my ps5 and have my ps4 and some ps5 games on it. I picked up psvr2 in the first week and hoped we would get upgrades for the biggest psvr games. Sony have done nothing. Wipeout, astrobot, resident evil 7 and others are now stuck on a dead headset. I will pick up games on sale at the cheapest price and then probably not bother with ps5 pro or ps6. I dont understand the hold up with psvr2, why bring it out if they had no plans for it ?. My psvr2 will be used as a giant screen for flat games.

[@VDVrEquipment]

Slow and steady wins the race.

[@KenKaniff-dw4jw]

​@VDVrEquipment bro it's done. They just lowered price to 350$

[@VDVrEquipment]

@@KenKaniff-dw4jw You don't understand markets and economics. 2300% increase in sales since the price drop. Why would anyone buy a psvr2 at any price if it was done? It's just starting but you can believe are the false information pedaled by fanboys if you like.

[@KenKaniff-dw4jw]

@VDVrEquipment bro they literally have no funding anymore for games. It's done. People are buying it because of the steam adapter and people like me that just want to get it and see what VR is about. There's plenty of games for me to try out and see if it's my thing. I don't care about future support.

[@VDVrEquipment]

@@KenKaniff-dw4jw Where was it reported that Sony themselves said there is no funding, for psvr2 going forward? Source? If you have come this opinion based on other opinions, then it's all just speculation , hit piece disinformation. Nothing says it's dead and not funded to me. Just people opinions masquerading as fact.

[@iwantalot]

All the panic for nothing. psvr2 still has the best exclusives for vr. Plenty still to come this year and will have best versions of multiplatform games like behemoth, zombie army, aces of thunder, wanderer, alien, max mustard, death relives and arken age.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

List the best exclusives we have on PSVR2, then list the upcoming exclusives we will have on PSVR2 and compare them. Compare the IP power and the budgets between the two lists.

[@iwantalot]

​@@PetrifyingPumpkinslist the best exclusives coming out on meta.for the rest of year, batman? Vr is niche, we will get a few exclusives along the way.if.not we play the best versions of vr games and catch up on the backlog. Try red matter 2, cross fire and get a wheel for gt7.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

@@iwantalot no, I didn't think you would. In your original comment you show the importance of PSVR2 exclusives, in your next reply you downplay exclusives when it doesn't suit your argument any longer.

[@iwantalot]

​@@PetrifyingPumpkinsthat's because We already had great exclusives last year . Never expected year two to be as strong due to the amount of unwarranted negativity on year one. People were whining when they had bangers like gt7, Res 4, Res 8, synapse , call of mountain best version of saints and sinners, no man's sky. They were never happy and always worried. Polish Paul just made a list of 20 upcoming games and looks great.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

@@iwantalot nobody is cancelling year 2 bangers because year 1 didn't get enough praise. These games take years to make. Year 1 would have no impact on that. Platforms are supposed to get better games as the years go on, not worse.

[@apukdcfc]

Wanderer, Metro, Behemoth, Aliens & PC Support coming before end of the year. If we get an Astros Playroom VR2 mode announcement and a permanent price cut I'd say its fine. I have a Quest 3 too and there's lots of games but no more bigger titles really, only Asgards 2 and AC Nexus.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

How many of those games will move PSVR2 headsets when they're available on the cheaper Quest too? As for PC support, the big benefit that I've been hearing for months 'PSVR2 will be the cheapest PC headset with eye tracking and HDR' is now lacking those key selling points.

[@boybrownvr6522]

But Batman Arkham Shadow is coming this year and although Meta does not currently have more exclusives than Sony, they have acquired 8 VR only studios working on content. These games may take a few years but at least we know they are in development. Also there are third party partnerships that are openly spoken about. Bloober games announced in 2023 that they are working on a Meta Quest funded exclusive "high end horror game" due for release in 2025. And just recently the Quest got Ultimate Swing Golf and again a Meta exclusive (not sure if it's timed) but this was a Sony stalwart and it ends up on a rival platform. Yes people have backlogs and are enjoying what is currently about and good for them but the future looks very fucking bleak indeed.

[@Wooskii1]

I just can't understand how people are seeing PCVR "support" as good news for the health of the PlayStation VR ecosystem. It looks like an exit strategy in my eyes, a way to clear out stock before moving on, passing the torch, washing of hands. It just doesn't seem like something a company in a healthy position would do. Maybe I'm totally wrong and Sony just wants to share their passion for VR with everyone, including the competition, and they will continue developing games releasing as PSVR/ PC cross-platform? I think they gave up. Good news is that many people, including myself, hoped for a PSVR-2 jailbreak/ code compilation, just didn't expect it to come from Sony, definitely not so soon.

[@VDVrEquipment]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins You save money on quest games because you're getting the crappiest version. ill pay a lil more for the higher end version thank you. As for the comment on eye tracking, you just shown everyone your lack on understanding about the very tech you have a channel about. You sir lack credibility, tell me what games currently support any of the stuff that at this point in time isn't working on pcvr with the adapter?????? Ill save you the trouble it's nothing, because pcvr doesn't have those features. Basically you are either super ignorant and nobody should listen to you because you don't know what you're talking about. Or you're a liar because you know better and you're not willing to bring up facts because it hurts your fanboy case for meta. either way thats a bad look as the kids say today. Trust this guys opinions at your own peril.

[@VDVrEquipment]

@@boybrownvr6522 It's easy to buy your success when other companies can fund your billion dollar losses year after year. As a business man the smart play is to release your game on the platform with the most units sold. It also is a good business decision to grow your entire base with Multiplatform. If money can be made they will come. We're still technically just in the Atari generation of vr. Settle down whipper snappers settle down.

[@TheWolfeCraze]

To further the concern and clear indicators of abandonment is the challenge with finding controllers to replace your existing ones. Production just seems to have stopped and no support at all. The push to make psvr2 usable on PC was the nail in the coffin in my opinion

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

I wasn't sure if the PC support was a sign of giving up or if it was just giving people a highly requested feature/ability. All other red flags considered, I'm in the same camp as you about it.

[@greattantrum523]

Only thing I can say for this is I hope Hermen Hulst and Hiroki Totoki the new Sony leadership will turn it around. It seemed like Shuhei Yoshida and Jim Ryan were not that interested in VR.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Shuhei was a champion for PSVR1. But his influence was lessened in recent years.

[@maco8010]

Sony were happy to take over £550 of us which is more than the console itself,,sony are a disgrace for what they have done ,,the vr community deserves better and I don't know why youtubers are getting shit for shining a spotlight on this ,,they are our voice keep making these videos to put pressure on

[@TechnoAssassin-vx6zf]

They do but it was worth it for me just to play GT7 fully in VR

[@PSVR2.]

They're one of the reasons why the headset is selling badly because half of them are being paid off by Meta, facts.

[@Rzs31]

Shut up

[@VDVrEquipment]

Because all the Doom and gloom is all based on speculation, thats why I give them crap. This doesn't help the vr community. There is always some complaint, it cost too much, there aren't enough games, it doesn't include features that don't exist on pcvr. This is all whinny people who have no concept of reality, when it comes to all the dynamics involved. The lack of knowledge the Gaming community has, as a whole is astounding, especially in the vr space. It takes work to remain ignorant about stuff in todays society, there is a lot of ignorance going around and the KZbinrs don't get to be indemnified of their ignorance because they're KZbinrs.

[@rogerskinner6320]

How much it cost ya for a pc and headset that plays the games you want? People focus on the headset cost but buying a pc you don’t have to use the other hardware costs more for the quality that psvr2 offers.

[@Imhotep397]

The thing I think is important to consider is that this generation +2 years after the PS6 launch is 8 years. I personally don’t believe Facebook is going to put another 8 years software subsidization into Quest which is why they half opened the Quest OS after AC bombed on Quest for other companies to take over (which they won’t) At that point larger developers won’t be expecting handouts or threatening to not release, they just spend the relatively little it takes to flat games to expand sales Flat2VR style which is all it will take to kickstart PSVR2 sales.

[@PeteHawkins]

Mate, you are a gamer, so just enjoy games on whatever platform they are on. We'd always follow you regardless. As for the PSVR2. Its just a.piece of hardware to Sony. They have a hugely successful gaming platform, and have done for decades, so they will flog that horse for as much as possible. Sometimes it works for them, sometimes it doesn't. But of it doesn't, on to the next thing for them, with no consideration on whom they hurt when they lose interest (like these vr devs and other studios they shut down) I think part of the problem is, they are not actually gamers, so don't really understand. While the likes of Nintendo, meta, etc, its gamers building stuff for gamers, if that makes sense.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

I won't be giving up gaming over this, don't worry!

[@boybrownvr6522]

Greg Miller is spot on. PSVR2 channels (or ones that have recently dropped the name) need to stop blaming the media for the state of PSVR2. All they are doing is reporting what is happening. Sony quite clearly have given up/scaled back their investment in PSVR2. No one is doubting it is a good headset but the lack of FORTHCOMING Sony first party (or even) exclusives by third parties is telling. My beloved Astrobot on PSVR is one of the greatest VR games ever. One of the sole reasons i purchased a PSVR2 was to play the inevitiable sequel. The Astrobot announcement at the state of play put a stake through my heart like Quest players will be doing in Silent Slayer (no PSVR2 version announced) this week. I can see a lot of developers pulling development of PSVR2 versions of games. Sure the big ones announced will still come but the radio silence from some devs will be deafening when they are asked to confirm that their game is still coming to Sony's platform in the coming months.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

I don't know about what other channels are blaming but I agree with the rest.

[@Imhotep397]

Everybody needs to calm down. It feels like this is the conversation like every 6 months. To a certain extent all of this likely draws the visual attention of Sony. Astrobot could be announced for PSVR2 with the PS5 Pro. Major games media has refused to review the overwhelming majority of PSVR games.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Sony would love for us to be calm and act like everything is fine.

[@JimmyNuisance]

This does happen every 6 months, and it does so for a reason. That's when yet another group realizes that it's fucked.. People feel the doom every 6 months because that's where Sony brings its disappointment-festival. Summer and christmas showcases of nothing. Sooner or later you're gonna be unable to ignore the string of red flags, and that's when the drama kicks off. Astro Bot was the _final straw_ for a LOT of people. For me, the first sign was when Sony stabbed Dreams in the gooch. At that point I understood that there was no one over at Sony who gave a shit about the PSVR2. If anyone cared about it, they would fight hard to make sure Dreams came to the PSVR2. Every showcase and effort they've made since then has been further evidence that they truly do not care. I spent some time telling the "it's like the vita all over again" people that they're being crazy, but they weren't. Sony stopped caring.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

@@JimmyNuisance ah yes Dreams, I meant to mention that one but forgot it.

[@JimmyNuisance]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins It hurts my damn soul that they killed that game. For a specific group of people, Dreams was the best creative tool that has ever been made by humans on earth. The fact that everything could control everything and all the entire engine just being everything all clumped into one... amazing. We will never see anything as amazing as that engine ever again. Sony has no fucking idea what it had. Never made that game free until it was dead. Gaaaaaaaaaah!!! Media Molecule, that whole damn studio got destroyed. Literally everyone who started the studio left. A truly legendary studio, Sony fucked it over and set it up for failure.. God damn. I say god damn. The second Shuhei moved positions was the second Sony went into its current dark timeline. It literally seems like he was the only dude at sony who gave a shit about VR and dreams. Now they're just gonna churn out Spiderman and auto-playing 3rd person action games until the endtimes.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

@@JimmyNuisance yes, Shuhei's 'demotion' was the start of all kinds of trouble. Clowns running the show over there.

[@jameskeen3321]

We learned this lesson during the Wii U and vita era. It is difficult for a manufacturer to support one system and nearly impossible to support two concurrent systems.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Hybrids were the answer.

[@davehugo8799]

Sony said, their gonna do hybrid games,astro bot could have been the 1st,but no,your right psvr2 is fucked

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Well GT7 was the first. They did have that vision once upon a time.

[@JimmyNuisance]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins One of the best VR games ever.. And sony was like "that's enough of that." And I'm like: ...No no.. no.. you just made something amazing and walked away, you maniacs....

[@shanehumberstone5262]

How Sony can tank something that costs so fucking much to buy is absolutely fucking disgraceful

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

We are victims.

[@Alienshade]

It's a luxury product. You really don't need it.

[@alanharrington]

Truth, and it hurts!! Buy a Quest 3 and be happy! I have been in VR since the Rift CV1, through Rift S, PSVR, Quest 2, HP Reverb G2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, PSVR2, Quest 3. Yes, I have had them all. And I've got to say that the PSVR2 is the most disappointing of them all, I bought it for the exclusives along with a PS5. Then,what exclusives are there? Very few, sadly. In my opinion the Quest 3 is the best all round headset for PC and standalone. The only buyers remorse I have is for the PSVR2, and like you say, that's ALL SONY'S FAULT!

[@JayBravo612]

I love PSVR2 but God damn, when are we going to be able to buy a set of orbs for fucks sake.

[@BLUEKNlFE]

Quest 3 is proving to be a better value and attracting more business interest than Sony. They are focusing on long-term goals rather than short-term products. Meta has also done an excellent job porting Oculus games to Quest on PC, including some that were designed with outside tracking from Oculus. In contrast, Sony hasn't prioritized bringing important games to PSVR2, such as Blood and Truth, Farpoint, and Hitman. COTM is not enough, and F Ultra has failed miserably. I believe the future belongs to Quest, numbers don't lie.

[@Blight-fp3vt]

Astrobots... That's the game that breaks you? The player base for VR, let alone psvr2, is too small. There are about 250 titles announced or done, it's a fair effort and games take a while. However no one in any genre is going to spend more than a few mil on game dev, outside of a tiny handfull of titlee. Don't be mad, this is vr, it's not like any other manufacturer of headsets make any games other than Sony.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Astro doesn't break me, it's Astro combined with Tlou, GoW, Returnal, Ghost of tsushima, Spiderman, Wolverine and any other first party title you can think of barring GT7 and a horizon spin off that they already fired the developers of. Despite all their talk of hybrid VR being the way to go.

[@Blight-fp3vt]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins so to be clear, when it comes to the adding of VR to games, there are only a handful (flight and driving Sims) where you don't need to fundamentally include VR at early stages of that design for it to work, which in the vast majority of systems will as part of including it in design very much limit the non VR versions capabilities when it comes to gameplay. Think about it.

[@edgarwhite9439]

Inflation is the only reason I haven't upgraded from the og psvr. If I wasn’t taking it in ass from our government I'd be all over this hardware. I honestly believe the only reason psvr2 hasn't done better is because they decided to release it at a high price right at the beginning of a recession and massive inflation.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Price is the biggest barrier but they still haven't cut it.

[@edgarwhite9439]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins I know.. if either the financial situation in this country gets better.. or the price comes down.. If neither of those things happen I won't be able to enjoy the new PS VR 2.

[@huwguyver4208]

It's not that I think that PSVR2 is doomed- there still seems to be a lot of 3rd party indie-mid range dev enthusiasm for it, and the current headset will get an associated power boost every a new console comes out. But it definitely feels like any success or survival of the headset will be in spite of Sony, rather than because of it. The quality of hardware is there. And I have an abundance of quality games to play for now. But with the ability to play high-fidelity games in VR, PSVR2 *should* have been absolutely killing it, as an excellent in-betweeny option between the budget Quest 2 and boutique PCVR gaming. But Astrobot 2 is just the latest in a line of unforced errors from Sony on the headset that are incredibly frustrating to see. It's like Sony spent a bunch of money to build VR a beautiful house and then just got it to live on a mattress in the basement. It just makes you wander why they even bothered to build the house.

[@Outlander-tm6gd]

Totally agreed, well-written reaction!

[@michaelx7328]

Sony bravely commercialised leading edge technology, pumping huge money into games like Resi -but the tech wasnt up for it, nor were consumers willing to shell out the money in sustainable numbers. Nor for Quest - so take a hard look in the mirror. Unfortunately, "leading edge" becomes a financial "bleeding edge", Sony shareholders don't have the deep pockets of Meta - whose US ad revenue churns over consumers relentlessly. Tie for some financial literacy lessons 101. Lighten up - it's been 15 months of immersion that just isn't possible on flat screen. The market has spoken - and it speaks cheaply about "free" phone games loaded with ads. Enjoy it

[@renhen8582]

Funniest day and afternoon to drop this considering what they just tweeted

[@artificial4612]

There's litterally been no updates or any new demos out on the psvr2 store for like a long long time. Its sad that once i got the psvr1 it was sooo fun and that gave me a bigger hype for the psvr2 but i must say for months now my vr headset is just tucked away in my drawer. Still waiting for a game worth putting it back on. Hopefully soon 😅

[@ElephantTrap]

I'll say what I said before: if there is no first party psvr2 at the SHOWCASE, that's when I will throw in the black flag. But no Astrobot hurts and is not a good sign. However, what is surprising to see: the amount of people that are telling Sony to make a psvr2 port. It's way more then I expected. Time will tell.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

You're seeing PSVR2 fans call for it and Eurogamer made an article about it. Outside of that, most don't bat an eye at the lack of PSVR2 support for it. As for 1st party support at a showcase, I just can't think what internal studio would be working on that. The obvious candidates are closed, hit with layoffs or simply have no interest in VR (Insomniac based on leaks).

[@ElephantTrap]

@PetrifyingPumpkins I know. And I'm not saying I have high hopes at all. But my mind will stay at the showcase. SOP doesn't mean too much. We got some psvr2 games on there, sure 3rd party. But atleast they were shown. The reason why I want to wait until the showcase is cause Sony said they are still supporting psvr2 at that corporate meeting thing. Let me cling on to something for just a bit longer okay 😋. After the showcase I'll let go.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

​@@ElephantTrapI'd be happy for Sony to make me look dumb at this showcase 🤞

[@ElephantTrap]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins and I will happily throw it in your face if they do 🤣 but we have to be honest: it's unlikely.

[@adamthagard3334]

If they aren’t dropping all support on psvr2 they need to say so. If they are cutting back due to lack of sales then having negativity EVERYWHERE because of their poor choices is just going to crush headset sales until they stop making them.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Indeed. There's no benefit to them being silent if they have anything. Even a logo for a game due in 2027 would be something.

[@LimbaZero]

Did they just announced adapter box for psvr2 that users can use it for pcvr (but they need "beefy pc"). Maybe they think that would be escape route for VR users or are they hoping pcvr users to upgrade psvr2 headset.

[@Sutrabla]

I dont have a Quest nor a powerfull PC!

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Neither do I.

[@billygunn6185]

I'm still waiting for PSVR2 to be released. According to the PSVR sub-reddit, it was a soft launch and we're awaiting the proper launch!

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Cope comes in many forms.

[@TechnoAssassin-vx6zf]

And they screwed up again by not making astrobot 2 in VR 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@shortbread8941]

Im a big psvr and 2 player and i agree with you. Its undeniable at this point. Even if they pulled something out their arse their silence is disgusting

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Exactly. If they have all these aces up their sleeves as some seem to think. Announce them now. Why can you announce Wolverine 5 years early but not your PSVR2 games?

[@mattyork7625]

VR2 is great. I can't believe it gets trashed so bad. Since the VR2 released (remember, it's only been out for less than a year and a half) and I already have more VR games than actual PS5 games. Sony needs to advertise this device better. It needs recognition of first party studios. Imagine throwing Tlou in VR? Like holy hell. Big name franchises from Sonys first party studios need to happen to get people to spend big money on this thing. There are a lot of good games on VR2 now but no one knows about them..

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

I agree it needs the first party support (and marketing and a price cut) but all signs are pointing to that not happening. The year 1 library is great but I'm not expecting anything to top the big games we already have. Indies and 3rd party from here on.

[@Magnum-Gaming]

Isn't there a leak that shows a trademark for VR2 with the new Astro game?

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Blanket trademark where they cover their asses just in case.

[@veidinga_jesslman]

There are coming good games this year on psvr2. But the games are not from sony. Astro bot was a statement. Just leaning back and hope that developers will make AAA games for psvr2 will break the neck.

[@EDIFYTILLIDIE]

Whoa, a pissed off Pumpkin. Look man, these things need to be said. What the fuck happened to our hybrid future?? They need to take some cues from Capcom and start bringing us titles we know and love to really sell HMDs. Hopefully other content creators will call them out this way too. No need to dance around and be polite. I’m glad we’re getting Behemoth, still waiting on GoT, but outside of that as you mentioned there’s nothing on the horizon (pun intended). Fuck Sony for making me spend all this money for third party games.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Thanks! 😡

[@JimmyNuisance]

It really is worth getting a Quest 3.. I know some people have platform loyalty and whatnot, and some have a moral aversion to Meta (justified), but Sony fucked us in the ASS... Loyalty to Playstation is not deserved. I love my PSVR2 and GT7 is on my top 5 VR games of all time(been playing VR for 10 years), and EASILY my top1 VR vehicular game/sim. Meta is a horrible corporation, but their main focus is to make VR and XR as amazing as possible. Sony's focus is absolutely not VR. Same with Valve, they are not primarily about VR. Meta truly is. The number of updates we're getting and the number of games and mods and the app lab and all that stuff... It's pretty great tbh. There is really no lack of content. I'm not a fanboy for any platform, but I'm definitely no longer going to tell people to get a PSVR2. Not after this. Sony truly just shat in our mouths. I would not feel good about telling anyone to get a PSVR2 in the year of our lord 2024. Meta has opened their OS up for other manufacturers, so if you hate Meta you could possibly get a different standalone headset within a years time that has full access to the entire meta storefront with all the exclusives and shit. Acer and lenovo and others are supposedly making headsets. With luck, we could have a large selection of meta-compatible headsets to pick from relatively soon. With different specs and stuff as well. Sony fucked us in the ass though. Make no mistake. RIGHT in the ass.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

My only problem with Meta is that it's mobile hardware. PSVR2 native games can really crap all over it. Maybe Quest 4 or 5. Right now I'm just thinking about the PC adapter for PSVR2.

[@JimmyNuisance]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins Graphics absoluetely suffer, but gameplay is what matters the most. Contractors Showdown for example, there's nothing on PSVR2 that is even remotely close to as large and complex as that game. The graphics absolutely suffer in massive games like this, but man... The brain cares about the eye candy for like 10 minutes, after that the game is all that matters. I'm old as hell so I've played games with horrendous graphics. I might have been more focused on the graphics if I never grew up with games that looked like shit. If it looks better than Rise of the Triad I'm pretty much good to go :D

[@Blight-fp3vt]

​​Graphics matter in VR, the immersion aspect is the only reason i play bland mobile graphics just do not cut i😢t@@JimmyNuisance

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

​@@JimmyNuisance graphics is only one aspect. Games designed with running on Quest in mind may need smaller environments, less enemies on screen and more loading screens etc. The overall scope is reduced. I'd love Contractors on PSVR2, even as it is now, but I'd always be wondering how much better it could be developed with PSVR2 in mind first.

[@JimmyNuisance]

@@Blight-fp3vt Some of the most immersive games I've played have had graphics that in no way look realistic, like WipEout is probably my favorite PSVR1 game, and it looks like a PS3 game. Does my brain care? Not even slightly, and that goes for a lot of people. We think we need super good graphics, then we play an awesome game and realize that we ignore that completely and it has very little impact on our immersion, at least mine. My brain just accepts whatever reality I'm presented. I have so far NEVER been fooled by VR graphics in a way that makes me think I'm looking at the real world. Literally 100% of all VR games so far have looked like games. Just look at Minecraft, people love that thing in VR and there's really no way to make that game less realistic looking, and the graphics themselves are objectively bad... But it's still extremely immersive. I will shit my pants when I hear a creeper's fuse behind me, just like I'd crap my pants if the graphics were ultra realistic. My brain doesn't really care.. Bad textures, my brain sees them as bad wallpaper, doesn't care if it isn't real. I view VR similarly to how I view impressionist painting. The paintings are extremely low on detail, they're just really blobby and sloppy, but what our brains do is fill in the lack of detail with detail we just feel is there. Without that ability, an impressionist painting would just be a sloppy mess.. But we see detail that is not there, and we accept that as part of it. Brains do the same for VR. That's why we can feel SO PRESENT in GT7 even though the graphics in no way shape or form look like real life. We got immersed bigtime on PSVR1, and those games looked very bad. Like really really bad 99% of the time. Still hella immersed.. Quake 1 on Quest, hella immersed.. VTOL, looks like a flight sim from the 90s, HELLA immersive. Vox Machinae, immersive, nothing like real life. Alyx, extremely gamey looking world, hella immersive. Cyube, nothing like reality, super immersive. I think we expect that lower detail graphics won't immerse us, but if you can get immersed in any of these games, you can absolutely get immersed in uglier games. None of the games so far have had photorealistic graphics, so we're already immersed by game graphics. We ignore flaws and accept this alternative reality as real, because our brains are easily fooled.

[@Wooskii1]

I agree with ya, but I think the biggest red flag is PCVR support, like "Please, just take it off my hands, I don't care what you do with it, here I'll even throw in this adapter thing". (I don't understand why an adapter is even needed in the first place. I guess it couldn't be done with software?) If Sony was even thinking about continuing to support and profit from it they would fight tooth and nail to keep it exclusive. They're not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts.If they truley planed on supporting it for PC they would have been sure to tell the world that all of its "top tier cutting edge" features will be supported, and release a SDK plus whatever other tools/ software to make updating current games or future games to be easily compatible. I was actually a pretty big Sony fan from PS1 to PS3, then all of my good will died with the PS4- We went from "This is how you share games" to PS+ required and you lose all of "your" games you got "free" if you stop paying for a month. I'm sure there were plenty of other skeptical people, like me, interested in the PSVR-2 (not the PS5) waiting to see if Sony would bait and switch, or deliver. Sony failed that test faster than I could have imagined, in little over one year!

[@agentshillbot]

We're all about to be drafted to fight Russia next year so it makes financial sense not to develop any games for the next 5 years

[@lordiro]

learned my lesson after buying psvr 1 at launch just for re7. It's a shame because the headset itself is very impressive but they clearly aren't invested in it long term

[@Alienshade]

People take this way too seriously. I'm happy with the games on Psvr2 and that we get Vr at all. I'm an only console player so this is the best I can get. And I play lots of normal PS5 games too. So to me it's more than enough games on Psvr2. If you want more games people need to buy more. But I really don't care about that because to me this is a luxury product that is like a test for Sony. They want a foot in the VR door if it becomes a popular product for more people. But it isn't that and that is ok.

[@MattyFreedom]

I'm kind of a casual gamer these days. I don't have the time to pump loads of hours in every day. I loved my PS5, especially as I got it day 1 and then a crappy scamdemic hit, with lockdowns and all that shite. PS5 got off to a great start and is and excellent console. Then PSVR2 dropped and it's my first real dive into VR, so I'm getting all the initial excitement and there were some real wow games such as GT7, RE4 and RE8, along with many other indy games that I have loved. But I always expected big hybrid patches and versions of Sony's major IP. It blows my mind that even now, there is still no real sign of that happening. It's making wonder what Sony's game is to be honest. It's making me think I won't buy Sony again, as I now feel I can't trust them, I usually skip a generation anyway, but maybe I'll just call it a day and see out this generation now, as I don't appreciate being mugged off.

[@VRnamek]

Meh, when I say this I'm a Zuck minion hater lol Tbh, I think Astro Bot will come. If they announced this today, Max Mustard would get zero sales. Astro or not, it's too little for psvr 2. How about Destiny 2, TLOU, Uncharted, RDR2, Doom new game, Dead Space, The Crew etc etc etc? I'm not buying a console and expensive accessory just for GT7, let alone for a kiddy platformer... it needs way more games for a true rescue mission

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Yeah but you've been downplaying since day 1, back when we were getting the bangers. Your Zuck minion reputation is well earned. But to say that Astrobot wasn't revealed so that they wouldn't hurt max mustard sales is something I'd expect to hear only from the biggest PSVR2 fanboy. Are we switching places?

[@VRnamek]

That's because GT7, RE8 and CotM were known to get psvr mode since 2019 or so and outside that I saw very little. I see nothing now, just old psvr 1 ports, old pcvr ports and the usual Quest library ports... I need the big hybrids, it was to be a hybrid paradise, instead this same indie BS and few handpicked games by partner studios... very underwhelming. Underwhelming by underwhelming, I already have Quest graphics and it's actually bringing more games

[@VRnamek]

Lol maybe we are switching places. But I really think Astro is a case of not wanting to hurt either flatlanders or Max

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

@@VRnamek I'm sure they'll start promoting max mustard any day now.

[@VRnamek]

Yoshida retweeted Max right after the event

[@86themadhatter27]

Y. .y..you're wrong pumpkins! They probably forgot to say astro will be on psvr2 also. They'll probably add it down the line. PSVR2 still has a huge amount of quest games coming this year. The next state of play will be all psvr2 games you'll see!!

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

🙃

[@boybrownvr6522]

"they probably forgot" FFS

[@PSVR2.]

Just watched Behemoth gameplay, PSVR2 is definitely not fucked

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Definitely is. No matter how good Behemoth is, it's on every other headset too. It's also not a AAA title that'll move headsets. It also won't carry Year 3,4,5.

[@PSVR2.]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins On other headsets but won't look half good as it will on VR2, and i believe it is a AAA title and will move headsets maybe not as many VR2s but definitely Quests which is a shame because people are going to miss out on the best experience of the game, but like I said VR2 is definitely not fucked and will be around for a few years at least and I'll be happy to take indie titles some are better than these so called AAA titles.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

@@PSVR2. Yeah it looks worse but not €400 worse

[@PSVR2.]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins And only an Hour and Half to play before battery dies

[@arielis78]

I guess I can rule out KillzoneVR announcement not happening.

[@BuscemiChameleon]

Everyone’s hurting, I think. Game developers all around are shutting down. Our economy is crashing. We’re all f**ked. How’s that for doom and gloom 😅

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

That plays it's part in making PSVR2 too risky to invest in for them I'm sure.

[@hawk1079]

Not only its fkd Sony now are kicking the few psvr2 players to pc by saying go play half life fallout vr and other vr games on pc because they are never coming to ps5 😂😂

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Basically, yeah.

[@jjsavior]

The reason why people get on him is when he says things like the meta quest 3 is a better system for playing these games at a cheaper price point. The quest 3 costs the same as a psvr2, and the visuals especially when they are stand alone are not as good as the psvr2 and only comparable when tethered to a pc. So those are two lies right there and your video hadn't even hit the 1 minute mark. That's why people are angry with you.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

He said at that price point AND standalone, no tether is a big deal for some. Besides, if he said Quest 2 ($200) his point would still stand.

[@fattyjaybird7505]

I would've bought it if they supported psvr 1 games

[@D-money813]

*prince voice* this is what it sounds like, when nerds cry. doo do dodo do do dodo do

[@dylancarse1903]

I am yet to find a game i like on PSVR2. I brought it to play Ultra but that game turned out to be not what i expected. I play on the Oculus now

[@wild-hourthegamecat1266]

It's only going to get better with pc access coming soon which will give psvr2 owners more choice if they're lucky enough to have a decent gaming computer or are prepared to invest in one. 😊 I'll probably be getting a new pc when the time comes . I want to play Skyrim with the new mods and some of the flight sims available on pcvr plus many other titles that uevr gives access to.

[@anthonyr8272]

After the steam shit Sony has pulled lately I wouldn't be surprised if they are ok with not giving you anything further for the psvr2 cuz they already have your money

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

I think it's more a case of not investing anymore of their money rather than being satisfied with the money they've already got from us.

[@anthonyr8272]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins yeah definitely agree, that's kind of what I was trying to say but my wording was a little scued I guess.

[@MrTrev80]

I’m not very impressed with it. Bought it specifically for RE4 remake vr and when I went to play it Leon is 4 foot tall and no settings to adjust the height. Completely ruined the immersion. I will stick with my Oculus Quest 3.

[@JohnnyNoPockets]

Can someone explain to me why, in this age of "its not OK to say anything mean about anyone" its still totally fine to say "Ugly ginger step child?" And "Gingers have no souls?" Ginger itself is a derogatory word. Make it make sense.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Oh shit, am I going to be the first youtuber cancelled over ginger racism?

[@frankdux5785]

Time will tell of course… ill prob be buying a quest 3 when they manage to have a sale or a slight price drop. Maybe new management at sony will change things, who knows. Fingers crossed :-/

[@rogerskinner6320]

People saying why spend that much on pavr2 well I’d need way more in the long run for a pc to run anything els. 1000 for ps5 and headset and you playing. Get a pc and anything else and you spending more $ and tons of time just getting it running. Psvr2 is for people that don’t have the time for the nonsense that any pc playing has.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

@@rogerskinner6320 I'd rather play my games on PS5 than PC but it looks like it's the only way I'll get to play Alyx and a bunch of others.

[@importon]

why did I buy a PSVR2 when I could have bought a Dreamcast?

[@no_1_knoz]

When can i come over to play said Dreamcast..? 😂😂😂

[@Wooskii1]

Dreamcast had some great games, it was the first time I saw gameplay and thought "That's gotta be a cut scene" when it was actually gameplay... I'd take a Dreamcast over a PSVR-2 right now.

[@ItsFreeVRealEstate]

So are we switching to quest or finding a new hobby?

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

I'll die before I resign myself to Quest games. I'll ride out year 2, maybe grab that PC adapter (2nd hand if possible) then go play Returnal on PC, the only place you can do that.

[@minners71]

I'd rather give up gaming than switch to quest.

[@86themadhatter27]

@@minners71 The majority of games you play already are basically Quest games. You just don't want to think about it

[@JimmyNuisance]

@@86themadhatter27 100%. People need to stop thinking about the quest as a mobile phone version of VR. People view it like it's "mobile gaming" but it's not mobile gaming, there's no commonality here at all with a cell phone. How large percentage of the PS5 games are cell phone games? VERY FEW. How large of a percentage of the PSVR2 games are Quest games? Nearly all of them. Are they mobile games? No, they are VR games that work on different devices, much like how a PC game works on PCs and Steamdecks. When people refer to quest games as inferior mobile games, they're kinda just shitting in their own dinner.. Literally the same games. The only difference is the graphics. If PSVR2 lost all the "mobile games" that came from Quest, there would literally be less than 30 games on the entire store. Zero games on PSVR2 has gameplay of a depth and complexity that couldn't work on a Quest. There isn't a single game on PSVR2 that's even close to as large and crazy as Contractors Showdown. That thing even runs on a Quest 2... Nothing sets console VR or PCVR apart from Quest in any meaningful way. PCs do have hardcore simulators, so that's probably the platform that has the most stuff that is unavailable on a standalone headset due to performance. That's also stuff that is not available on PSVR2 cause the simulator devs don't care about PSVR2 due to the small install base. They hardly even care about PCVR anymore.

[@no_1_knoz]

🤦‍♂️............... Where to even start..?.??? (i honestly dont know 🤷‍♂️) Being a OG PPK [...or is it PPK OG?], anyways, being that I've been here for years now and have seen all that i have, that SONY has or hasn't done, im in agreement with Ye 100%! Just like the rest or Y'all i say the signs and stayed positive, but time after time SONY just kept 💩'n on Us and We (being the loyal ppl We are), kept taking it. 🤦‍♂️ With hopes and DREAMS of anything to show on the horizon to make Us change Our minds, but to no avail and with all the shutdowns, layoffs, lack of sales (& support) and reaching the 'half-life' of the consoles cycle, we kept not wanting to believe it; but 'doom & gloom' aside I think We're correct to think, feel, believe that SONY has decided that they're gonna "VITA" the PSVR2. Regardless, if they do or don't, We will never know cause speaking to or informing Us well that's not important enough to SONY. At least with Jim Ryan We cud kinda guess which direction SONY was headed, but now We have 2 ppl in charge -1)for the gaming, etc -2) for the HOLLYWOODing of said games (whatever that means 🤷‍♂️). At this point i don't know what im more pissed about.?!? All the 'lack of' from SONY or the fact it cost me SO MUCH for said 'lack'? I am happy with what i have gotten and/or what is available for my PSVR2, but as for the future i can only hope that this so called 'PC Adapter' becomes a reality rather sooner than later, so i can find/buy/build/steal a PC that can handle the titles i want to play, which aren't that many tbh. Yet that brings up more questions as well: Will the studios utilize all the features of the PSVR2 when developing their games (haptics, DFR, etc).? As for the 'adapter' im sure SONY has a good idea on how to manufacture them as they did make the one for the PSVR to work on the PS5 and that's sort of the same concept. Its time my rant come to an end, Ye vid was the first thing I saw when i woke up so im half sleep still and i dont even know if anything i said makes any sense? I'll read it later and make any changes if need be.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Made sense to me.

[@no_1_knoz]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins little did We know that the adapter new wud come today as well 🤷‍♂️ and most of my questions have been answered. Now the question to myself is, “How ‘beefy’ of a PC do I want to get?” I know of 2 games ‘for sure’ I’m getting, gotta shoot ‘lots of’ ppl in the face and find ‘lots of’ ghosts.!! I am bummed that SONY is being greedy with the hardware features, but 🤞 a few studios ‘grow a pair’ and make something for the console [wishful thinking I know 🤦‍♂️]

[@DoomyRei]

The vita got better treatment lol

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Imagine not learning from past mistakes.

[@gnoclaude7945]

Just sell a spare set of controllers along with the pc adapter for petes sake. This would make a good Skyrim headset if the controllers lasted more than 2 hours.

[@ThatZenkiS14]

i play so much gt7, that it doesnt bother me at much. them adding pc support is clutch, i like it better than my index and only having 1 cord instead of the 5 i need now is great imo. that beikg said i definitely want more games on ps for it, but im content for the moment.

[@cory2016]

It's your standards, it sucks. Get down-to-earth, your head in space. Gaming cost money. Are you gonna give the money no Be realistic.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Ridiculous. Year 1 shows how good the PSVR2 library is when backed by Sony. Was your expectations that Sony would not support it past year 1?

[@mrshitty]

Hasn't the new Astro game been in development for 4 years or something? Are you telling me they started making a VR game 4 years ago and then backed out and made it a flat game in the last year based on PSVR2 sales not being high enough? It's possible I guess but I feel like they probably knew all along it would be flat and made that decision even when they thought PSVR2 could be a success.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

No, I'm not saying they changed anything. I expect it was always supposed to be flat. What I'm saying is they never believed PSVR2 would be a success and sent it out to die.

[@acidreighn]

they need to release a PC adapter

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Abra kadabra

[@dogmeat32able]

And now sony want us to pay them the pcvr adapter 60$ more to leave them alone lol pay to be dumped by sony. Pay for sony redemption to us that pay a lot for psvr2 ps5 vr combo . to be drop like that just because they can put real effort $$ in it . they where again trying to make vr market work with mimimal effort , only toe dip in the water and chasing only pot of gold like service game and all their s..t ! I will remember sony ! If one day vr is big and sony try to get market share eith their big ip finally ...i will let them die with it even if i will be sad not playing them . but i will not support sony anymore no more vita sony no more psvr2 . get lost . even nintendo support their dying console (wiiu)more ! . lol. They have said to investors vr player who pay (for me 2000$ cad ) fot a ps5 and a psvr2 combo that we are not their priority wow ! . not priority mean some effort going into it ....its no even the case except effort to back out like the adapter .

[@Alien_isolationist]

Wrong, Alien, Behemoth, Metro, all these games aren't Quest ports. A port is a game on Quest, that later gets ported to Playstation. These are Simultaneous releases. Look at side by side comparisons of these games Playstation blows meta put the water, no HDR, a cellphone chip to run the games man who else is even supporting VR, xbox? Nintendo? Hype this product up & maybe people would buy it & support the future

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Don't kid yourself, Quest is the lead platform for all these games.

[@spgp273]

Yeah, it's dying. But we can still play it through the lifetime of the PS5. At this point we can just go out with a bang.

[@rogue-tr]

Ouch, that stung 🥶

[@spudwashington3880]

You bought one I love playing it but we do need more games and open world games and much more . I love the exercise and the ability to learn actuall stuff

[@GAMERTAGVR]

😂😂😂 oh man. That hit hard

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Emotional scenes!

[@KillerCEOZ]

Serius are you saying that just one game killed VR2 hahahha funny nagetive Nancy. There are a few good games and pc support is coming and opening way more doors for PSVR2 gamers. So i think that this a a bit nagetive Nancy reaction.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

The problem is not one game, its 2. GT7 and COTM being the only in house PSVR2 titles.

[@milliondollarempire]

You convinced me to buy a meta quest 3 🤣

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

There's even more Quest games there 😬

[@grimreaperscreed5938]

Like the ak Airsoft in the background

[@xxsilverxx1063]

Bought ps5 and psvr2 for vr, absolutely gutted, never again sony goodbye

[@Nova_Ash]

Ive just ordered a ps vr 2 😢

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

You still have the great year 1+ library to enjoy!

[@Mark-mu6bc]

It's just too expensive to buy

[@robertchant9627]

CEO of sony is Delboy😢

[@Gamecat_Photonutter]

All those games on Quest or pcvr

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

I think, for now, Aces of Thunder is the only upcoming exclusive.

[@dejthepumpkinpatchkid651]

Its such a shame dont think I'll ever invest in another Sony console again

[@marcusoliver4252]

5050 views is what I call fu%%ed

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

5k views is a decent percentage of the PSVR2 playerbase.

[@BaldBadger]

They are making it pc compatible 🎉

[@TotalSkeptic]

Over 2 months and less than 4,000 views, guess what else is F*cked.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

Says 6.7k views on my screen. Which I'm really happy with. Sorry if this video hurt your feelings though.

[@TotalSkeptic]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins oh shit, 6.7k view? Well that changes everything! 😂

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

@@TotalSkeptic how many views do your opinions get?

[@TotalSkeptic]

​@@PetrifyingPumpkins LOL, views don’t determine the validity of an opinion. It’s about the substance of the argument, not the popularity of the content.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

@@TotalSkeptic LMAO tell that to your original comment then 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂

[@PolishedVideoProductions]

Great video

[@BlujusticeVR]

Psvr2 is trash anyways, biggest mistake i made was buying that. Horrible lenses and so damn uncomfortable, quest 3 best purchase yet. The games keep coming. And no games havnt even pushed the hardware to its limits yet. To each there own psvr2 is dead even with the pc port upgrade. Its still a uncomfortable trash headset that really has no value

[@omar-9617]

Im glad i sold my psvr 2 for meta quest 3

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

I'd rather go VR-less than go mobile VR but I understand why others wouldn't.

[@omar-9617]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins i play most pcvr games on the quest.. so it’s not mobile quality

[@Boggyb25]

Dude i just bought it :

[@Alien_isolationist]

Sony has done more for the VR industry then all VR companies combined in the 9 years since VR has been a household thing. Meta literally has PS3 graphics but it's better cuz it's wireless? Lol trash opinion. Back to what I was originally saying, they have numerous Exclusives on PSVR 1, & 6 Exclusives on PSVR 2 in 2023 Alone both 1st & 2nd Party games. Oh BOO HOO Sony didn't cook fast enough to give you anything in 2024. What has valve done besides 4 year old Half Life that's a teleport game? Aces of Thunder is exclusive. Let them cook. They are filling 2024 with Alien, Behemeoth, Metro & Zombie Army in 2024. What does the other companies do? Nothin. Anything on PCVR that's not on PSVR is 3rd party & subject to port no different then anything else. Meta giving us Assasins Creed & Batman, with PS3 graphics. That's 2 games. They're playing RE 4 PS2 version while we have RE 4 PS5 version. This is the VR market, did you not know it when you invested? 6 Exclusives in 2023 is beyond amazing, and honestly they should have slowly trickled out 2 a year so yall wouldn't be whining today. PS: what's the point of sound proofing your room if you can only afford one $25 pack

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

If you think Sony are doing more for VR than Meta, sorry but that's not the real world you're living in. The games you listed for this year, Behemoth, Alien etc Wouldn't exist at all if Quests didn't sell as much as they have. You disregard Batman and Ass Creed because of PS2 graphics but you think the other Quest ports we have to live on will be any better. Yes Aces of Thunder looks good, it's also the last PSVR2 exclusive. I can't understand anyone defending Sony over this.

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

"Sony are doing more for VR than Meta" #vr #PSVR2

[@Alien_isolationist]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins oh you mean the indie games & cartoons that snapdragon phone chip is pumpin out PS3 graphics on?

[@Alien_isolationist]

@@PetrifyingPumpkins Playstation VR Exclusives: 2016: Playstation VR Worlds Resident Evil 7 Driveclub VR Until Dawn: Rush of Blood Rigs Rogue One: X Wing VR Mission Golem 2017: Astrobot Farpoint Firewall: Zero Hour Gran Turismo Sport 2018: The Inpatient Bravo Team Wipeout Derecine 2019: Blood & Truth Ace Combat 7 Concrete Genie 2020: Iron Man (ported later to Quest) Dreams Playstation VR 2 Exclusives: 2023: Gran Turismo 7 Call of the Mountain Resident Evil 4 Resident Evil: Villiage Synapse Switchback 2024: Aces of Thunder 2025: Resident Evil 9 ========================== 3rd Party: 2016: Batman: Arkham VR Eve Valkyrie (R.I.P.) Arizona Sunshine Here They Lie 2017: Doom VFR Skyrim VR Raw Data The Excorcist Archangel Unearthing Mars Monster of the Deep FFXV 2018: Borderlands 2 VR The Persistence Heavy Fire (Quest ported to PSVR) Beat Saber Creed Moss Evasion Crisis on the Planet of the Apes Wraith (VR) VR Robot 2019: Wolfenstien: Cyberpilot No Man's Sky Synth Riders Immortal Legacy LA Noire Seirento VR Espire 1: VR Operative The Wizards Eden Tomorrow Doctor Who Eleven Eleven 2020: Star Wars: Vader Immortal (Quest ported to PSVR) Star Wars: Squadrons Saints & Sinners A-Tech Cybernetic VR Disaster Report 4 Shadow Legend VR 2021: Doom 3 Hitman 3 After the Fall Wraith: The Oblivion Blair Witch VR Fracked 2022: Moss 2 (PSVR) 2023: Star Wars: TfromGE (Quest ported to PSVR 2) No Man's Sky Saints & Sinners 2 Creed Remaster Crossfire Hubris Kayak VR Moss (PSVR2) Moss 2 (PSVR2) Synth Riders Remaster After the Fall Remaster Very Bad Dreams Journey to Foundation Arizona Sunshine 2 Ghostbusters Beatsaber Pavlov 2024: Bulletstorm VR Madison Stride Fates System Critical II Wanderer (September) Alien (Holiday) Metro (2024) Ghosts of Tabor (2024) Behemoth (coming soon) Zombie Army (coming soon) 2025: Low-Fi

[@PetrifyingPumpkins]

@@Alien_isolationist those same games you'll list out as great 3rd party support for PSVR2.