PSYCHIATRIST reacts to viral CATATONIC SCHIZOPHRENIA video

[@bluecat2741]

Old interviews like this always make me feel sad, because I have to think about the "treatment" those people had to go through.

[@RaveUniverseAll]

You greatly understeem how good medical level was in the '60s. Do not misread it with a cine-like perspective of what happened in certain, very few famous cases. Even on the present day there are places where meds are used to relieve workers' effort rather than patients' pains. For sure we greatly refined both diagnosis and treatments in the last decades, but if you think people in the past were less empathetic or more prone to prejudice, you are in a great, Hollywood-like, mistake. History has not ended.

[@Mrs.LadeyBug]

Everywhere, patients are medicated for the ease of providers. I’d be interested to know a single psych ward in which the very best interests of each (all) of the patients are first and foremost. People now are just as prone to prejudice as they were back then and, though there are (thank God) empathetic and amazing care providers who utilize updated diagnoses and treatments, these tend to be the few and far between psychiatrists and psychologists who have chosen their line of work as a true calling and have dealt with their own issues rather than projecting their stuff in their professional-patient interactions. Sadly, the on-the-floor staff who interact with psych ward patients tend to be rather cold, snide, judgemental, impersonal, and all too often downright mean and nasty, even abusive. A fraction of staff are kind and empathetic. For patients who are expecting “the usual” which is at at best indifferent, these compassionate caregivers appear to be angelic beings. Evidence shows in historical documentation the humanity hasn’t changed much. Thankfully, there are some advancements in medicine and procedures, though these always need to be scrutinized and constantly tested, hopefully without too much harm to precious human life. Perhaps this is why doctors have a “practice” and those under their care must be a “patient”. Once must be patient during the practice… and perhaps things will work out. 😅

[@SticksForChicks]

@@RaveUniverseAll It is a fact that treatments like electro-shock, lobotomies, insulin coma therapy, Metrazol (induced seizure) therapy, and hydrotherapy were used in the 1960s. They were common treatments performed regularly and today they’re viewed as barbaric and have for the most part been banned. So, no that opinion isn’t based on a very few famous cases at all. For example, tens of thousands of people in the US were lobotomized. These were legitimate procedures at that time, recognizing that they were ineffective is how we improve.

[@RaveUniverseAll]

@@SticksForChicks Yess and nooo. I mean: you've written right things only. But let's go deeper. Treatments like clonic convulsion induced by Metrazol, electroshock, etc had positive effects at a certain level. They were abandoned not for inefficacy but because other treatments with far less collateral effects became available. Actually, several drugs used in the '80s to replace barbaric treatments revealed themselves worst than the ancient methods. In addition to this, US lived decades in which certain medicine schools posed experiments before patients wellbeing. THOSE places were responsible for almost all of the number you've reported. Such procedures were not commonly applied as commonly believed, in fact "only" a few thousands of people underwent these procedures during several decades. I read a colleague's graduation thesis in psychiatry just about this very topic. Great work. AND BTW US is really a bad reference for medical issues, on average. US excels in certain areas (at great human costs) and remains far to be the role model for medicine, also because of all the social health problems the rest of advanced world doesn't have: from obesity to private health. I mean from an evidence-based practice aim. I'm not talking about geopolitics. Certain things statistically significative in US are simply not so in the rest of the world.

[@murph8411]

Electroconvulsive therapy was(maybe still is) used fairly recently and I’m pretty certain I’d be bloody guarded in my answers if I was in a locked ward and thought there was a chance I was going to be given it as well. It’s not like you get much patient choice if they decide you aren’t capable of making rational decisions yourself. Tbh I think I would tend to think before answering a psychiatrist or psychologist if I had been sectioned and I’m far from paranoid and am not into conspiratorial beliefs.

[@kristinewatson3702]

He seems to interpret others disagreeing with him as people not liking him. That hits me in feels.

[@kennedykihara3800]

As a diagnosed schizophrenic I would say one other reason he is taking really long to answer could be that he is thinking really really hard. Ive had really bad psychomotor retardation, and I still think this is different. One thing you experience during an episode is extremely complicated thought processes, or at least it feels that way, it sort of feels like a chess player trying to compute a whole load of possible moves. So you really really really think hard on what the question means and how to answer it in the best way possible to express the truth in your current reality, as your brain is perceiving it. To illustrate in my episode I had a really deep conversation with another schizophrenic while i was in rehab, the conversations would take hours at a time and we went really really deep. After several days , our conclusion was , "the way my brain is perceiving reality is different from the way your brain is perceiving reality". Looking back right now in a healthy state, Id say I've never seen or heard a deeper conversation than that in my life.

[@jadezee6316]

this resembles a deep depression in my eyes...he may hesitate to reply thinking he could get punished for his answers or because he feels threatened in the environment....what do we know about this young mans history his family etc....without all of that..this isolated interview lacks too much to form conclusions

[@Liliarthan]

That also struck me as the case. The way his eyes move so much made me wonder if he was overclocking his CPU and it’s processing all the possible scenarios while deciding what was the best response. I always wonder if how psychs interpret their observations are based on accounts shared by people with lived experience, like yourself, or if it’s a ‘textbook explains it this way so it must be so’ kinda thing. I’m autistic and was told when I was diagnosed two years ago, as an adult, that being autistic means that I lack theory of mind. At the time the psychologist didn’t have time to explain it to me so I just noted it down to look up later. The more I looked it up, the more I realise that’s not at all true for me (or a lot of autistic women at least that I’ve spoken to). It also seems like one of those theories that was created by neurotypical psychs goodness knows when, which neurodiverse psychs and other people with lived experience is contesting as not actually as prevalent as originally thought to be. Yet those ideas still persist because that’s just how things were believed to be for so long that theory became mistaken for fact.

[@meghanyoung3273]

I thought he seemed nervous and terrified because his family thought he was gay.... but i'm not a doctor

[@kristineanderson4983]

@@Liliarthan I believe you. We have to wonder, and be cautious, because there are not ideal, non-theoretical, blatant and fully-proven specific markers for this science (yet) as there are for broken bones. It may be a good time for Edgar Cayce to return to life.

[@DidgiPuddy]

This is what my brother has. He was diagnosed 20 years ago. Thank you for doing this. I'm going to show him this ASAP to help him with "these weird weird problem. These thoughts are disappearing in my mind"

[@DidgiPuddy]

My bro has Stereotypy Catatonic Schizophrenia

[@themerchantofengland]

@@DidgiPuddy and he is like this guy in the video? Is he getting better with medication?

[@DidgiPuddy]

@@themerchantofengland Sort of, he's not stupified, he did go through a period of 2 years being mute. He suffers the blocked thought process, he gets 'ticks' which are those pointless repetative gestures he's compelled to do. He's on very strong medication for these symptoms, he has to have regular blood tests to make sure his body doesn't start to develop adverse reactions to the medication. Sadly it makes him heavily drowsy and that can't be helped. The medication does help him or he wouldn't take them. He's not displaying OCD now and he's functioning well. He's still depressed about his situation but 20 years after he was diagnosed, he's still here and still surviving. He's devoted to playing his guitar and I am so proud of him. He's been tortured by a bully while growing up, institutionalised from the age of 16, homeless at one point, completely mute for 2 years as the stress got too much for him, coped with our sister dying, coped with our mother dying. He's still here, he's still fighting it and he's still the kindest, sweetest, most sincere, gentlest, thoughtful person I ever knew. I couldn't ask for a greater brother.

[@clarissacoates7761]

@@DidgiPuddy Bless him & your family!! I hope he recovers as much as possible.

[@DidgiPuddy]

@@clarissacoates7761 In reality he'll never be 'cured' of it, he'll always have to live around it. I've shown him this video though and it's been a positive experience for him tonight. Thank you for your kind thoughts.

[@gwynhyfer]

This is fascinating to watch. My first degree was in psychology and I was training to be a mental health nurse at the same time my 4th child (then 2 years old) was being diagnosed as being on the autistic spectrum with severe communication difficulties. I had to give up my career to care for him so I became an expert in him! Obviously I love him to bits but life is incredibly hard for him and watching this I can see why historically children with autism were described as having childhood schizophrenia. He has grown up into a truly loving and polite young man who is filled with kindness and a pleasure to take out with us. He helps his dad with our horses and dogs and has some interests and life skills but he will never be able to lead an independent life. His speech is still very limited but he really wants to communicate with others, have friends and do what he believes all people of his age do. But generally he seems happy. It is hard to watch the man in the video because, to all intents and purposes, he looks as though he has no real quality of life. And as you say, the pychiatrist is a bit, well, formal. We need more humanity! Thank you for your videos. I love the way you approach most subjects with gentle humour and humanity as well as facts.

[@Stitchybecca482]

I was watching this video thinking how similar he seemed to someone with autism. I’m definitely not an expert so it’s interesting to hear that you as an expert saw the similarities as well. It’s really sad that people could have been diagnosed so incorrectly.

[@Makeeverydayyourbestday]

It's very lovely to hear you speak about your family so openly. Recently, I was at my friends house and my granddaughter played with their son who is autistic. They, clicked, got on so well even though few words passed between them. 🙏😊 There is so much more there, xx

[@gwynhyfer]

@@Makeeverydayyourbestday Thank you for your comments. I am happy to speak openly about my family - especially my son with autism - because not only do I love him but I am incredibly proud of the young man he has grown into and I have been his advocate since the day he was born - a proper mummy tiger 🙂. I'm not going to pretend the early years were easy and he still has the occasional meltdown but thankfully never in public. I think he feels safe expressing his anger and anxiety in front of myself and my husband because he knows he is in a safe space and we don't really respond to negative behaviour - well okay we do sometimes shout a bit - we're not perfect! As with mental health there does appear to be a real problem understanding learning difficulties. But as you observed your granddaughter "clicking" with your friend's son with autism, communication is so much more than talking. I hope your grandaughter gets the opportunity to play with your friends son again. It's really hard for people with autism to form friendships so all interactions are to be welcomed.

[@Makeeverydayyourbestday]

@@gwynhyfer yes, we live in Scotland and have booked a few days later in the year on one of the beautiful Islands, So the kids will have an absolute ball not much there but lovely beaches and freedom to run around.

[@gwynhyfer]

@@Makeeverydayyourbestday We're in Aberdeenshire now but lived on the Isle of Lewis for a year or so when my son was just 6. He had no language until he was about 10 - and even then very limited - but he often shares memories of things we did on Lewis so it's really important to realise that lack of oral communication doesn't mean lack of understanding. I hope you have a lovely holiday. Sometimes the very best holidays are the ones where we can sit back and appreciate life rather than have entertainment on tap. Enjoy! :)

[@lesleebesley697]

I remember seeing this a few years ago and aa comment was made from a person who stated that this man was an Uncle of their family. They stated that even though the Uncle had said that he wanted to play piano for people, he couldn't play and I'm sure that they also said that the Uncle never left the hospital. I find it so very very sad to see the Uncle like this and hoped that he found comfort and peace in his life

[@roderic98]

It also mentioned that he was on medications during this interview. He was bad off without them.

[@NikB331]

From what I read from the family member he never did find that peace… He was very very bad off.. He lived until the 80’s and passed from suicide. Very tragic n sad .

[@apassionante]

@@NikB331omg 😢 suppose all the medication stopped being useful in the end.

[@fenzirulfr]

he deleted himself

[@tmsphere]

Why do you believe anything a random in the comments say? Who's the patient here?

[@HitherandYarn]

Between 11 and 14 I had an accumulation of stress from both home and school. I was not like other people either and was rejected a lot both at home and at school. For awhile the floor seemed to come up to my face and the walls close in, like in old movies. I also thought that if I turned my head left or right my body would shatter into pieces. So I was stiff like this young man and only moved my eyes. My mother would not get me help because she said no one in our family was crazy and I wasn't going to be the first. My step-father called me a psycho. I was Catholic and prayed a lot to be healed of whatever was wrong. Over time, the catatonia, if that's what it was started to fade, and once I changed schools, I started to get better because I didn't have the constant disapproval of classmates. I still don't know what was really different about me. After I started working, I copied what other people did and said and how they did it and survived that way. Thankfully, I got much better. I have a suspicion that I'm still different, but I can manage, especially now that I'm retired. I'm 76, married 35 years and have a wonderful husband who has put up with a lot, but hung in there. I really feel for others who go through this to any degree and wish people had more understanding and compassion for anyone going through this. Thank you for this video, it was very helpful.

[@pagesinyellow]

I'm glad you've found peace and happiness. Your parents clearly exacerbated your stress.

[@JeffRebornNow]

When I started reading your comment I thought of Poe's poem "Alone."

[@MrLeFluffy1]

My friend, it sounds like you're autistic - I went through similar, and only got my diagnosis last year at age 23. I suggest looking into content made by autistic people (not parents of autistic people - they're often very not-understanding and cruel, sadly), and learning about exactly how and why we work differently to others around us, and the ways we can make our daily lives a little bit easier that we wouldn't normally think of. All I know is, learning _why_ I am the way I am has helped me _so much,_ and I wish I had that knowledge earlier. Maybe the knowledge might help heal some of that hurt, or make your life a bit better!

[@karenswartz8280]

I’ve seen this video before, a few years ago. It’s old…from the early 60’s I think, which may account for the manner of questioning. I was a nurse for 40 years, and saw only one case of catatonia. She was admitted to the medical unit vs. the psych unit because of the severity of her condition. We did have to insert a feeding tube for a short while. The psychiatrist who treated her was very good, and she did respond to medication, at least enough to be able to transfer to the psych ward eventually. The plan was for ECT is meds were ineffective, and it wasn’t off the table as a further treatment as well. To complicate the situation, she and her husband were traveling, not local, and they were Chinese, and spoke minimal English! It was a very intriguing case, and one I’ll never forget. As medical nurses, we were familiar with psych patients, to a degree- but mainly what we saw would be more of the acting out, or overt symptoms.

[@sjj39]

Yes, that's what I was thinking, I knew it was familiar.

[@GentleRayneASMR]

Only 6 mins in, but my first thought is: hey y'know.... antipsychotics, such as what is typically given to those diagnosed with schizophrenia (accurately or not), tend to make people a bit flat, a bit dull, and -at least for a while when adjusting to the drug (lets say for the 1st month) - quite a drunk sedated type of feeling (which leads to patients not wanting to take them etc which is so common). So far he presents to me like a person with Autism that has been medicated with a drug that is sedating. *shrug*

[@DidgiPuddy]

I should add that my father, our half brother and myself have been diagnosed with ASD. I suspect my brother has it too and maybe it's co-morbid?

[@jcarroll135]

Thats what I felt too!! I'm wondering if he presented a Feminine manner sitting at a piano or, behaved like a homosexul and ALSO was on the spectrum, then placed on heavy meds and sat in front of a camera. Wouldn't that situation look like this as well.. I'm disturbed when I don't see ppl at least acknowledging the impact a life of being told something is wrong with you bc you don't act like a man should, to a person already on the spectrum would be very difficult... :( it feels to me.. very lonely and sad

[@andy.s123]

​@@jcarroll135 i can not imagine him having a sex drive, also where is he acting in a feminin way??

[@GentleRayneASMR]

@@jcarroll135 100%!

[@76elphaba]

My thoughts exactly!!

[@julielumsden5184]

In the sixty’s the psychiatrists were much more formal and people were often heavily medicated

[@aioko1]

"People dislike me as I am not completely like them". This is a natural and expected feeling or observation from anyone/everyone. This interview makes me feel so sad as his answers are ignored and not listened to at all.

[@inconceivabledark]

Both surprised and pleased that you've covered this vid. I found it fascinating.

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

cheers fam

[@NoirL.A.]

i found this online about this gentleman: This man was my uncle. I'm not going to give any names, but for those of you who are concerned with how things turned out for him, not well. There's so much to address here. First let me say that he was being treated in this video with meds. Without the medication his mood ranged from complete delusion to catatonic. As for being gay, I don't think he had much of a sex drive at all. With or without meds. As for the idea that he was put here because he was gay by some unloving family, that's ridiculous. I don't have time to say all the things my family tried just to make his existence somewhat peaceful just for his own sake. My family had a couple of openly homosexual and lesbians in it even back in the sixties and with the exception of my mother's father no one gave a shit. My uncle suffered with meds and even more without. After forty some odd years, most of which he spent in institutions, he took his own life by way of drug overdose. By the way, the comment about the plot twist, he never had a piano was funny because he didn't. His seeming obsession with piano came and went as did obsessions with religion, especially the Catholic Church and government. As far as I know he couldn't play a lick. He was very ill at his best and a living shell at his worst. I hope that answers some questions because that's all I have to say on the matter. He's been gone since the late eighties and I really hope that other members of my family don't see this video, mostly because of the comments from people that somehow think they understand him better than the people who suffered with him. One last thing, I think people thought that he was talking about sitting or standing effeminately or something. No, he was talking about sitting or standing motionless for hours. Usually not even his facial expression would change but when it did it was usually related to something in his mind only. I really can't begin to tell you all how heartbreaking the whole thing was. He did seem intelligent and with meds he did remind me of a high functioning guy with autism I once met.

[@gloriahoulne]

In the 60’s patients were the last to hear their own diagnosis. At least from what I know parents and caretakers only, at that point in time.

[@olderandwiser333]

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. Back then it would not be at all unlikely that no one had told him what the diagnosis was.

[@jwsuicides8095]

@@olderandwiser333 Believe me, psychiatrists don't always 'bother' doing it now. A previous partner was at the extreme end of a spectrum of diagnosis. I was dealing with his problems and suffering and it was hell...by accident we found that he'd had a diagnosis all along that hadn't been shared.

[@olderandwiser333]

@@jwsuicides8095 Wow, that really sucks!

[@karenturner8739]

Even now communication re diagnoses can be a blurry business. Sometimes the patient has to sort of ask for a diagnosis of xyz, other times if you approach from a point of view of having done your research they (professional healthcare workers) don't like it is you have googled stuff and like to be the ones in the know. Other times comms are blurred by either actual or assumed intelligence and understanding of the patient as being either not knowledgeable enough or the patient may seem like they're nodding and understanding when they don't. The complexities huh..

[@christinefilas9392]

And why would the shrink bother, they don't understand or believe there is anything wrong with them they're nuts. Nuts don't think they are nuts.

[@DAVIDTORRESANI]

Finally a professional break down of this man. I've seen this video for years now.

[@JIMBEAMM]

Interesting take. I saw a comment from his nephew/niece. It said : He was heavily drugged here. He never had a piano,never played the piano. It was the latest in a long line of obsessions. Religion,the Catholic Church,government,piano,all sorts. He struggled a lot with meds,struggled without,with all sorts of psychosis. His family did everything they could to make his life better. He went on to kill himself with an overdose in the 80’s. They also said they met a high functioning autistic man who very much reminded them of their uncle. The sitting and standing different referred to when he would sit or stand for hrs without moving apart from the odd facial twitch as a thought crossed his mind.

[@DominicNJ73]

I would take these sorts of claims as VERY suspect if they appeared in the video comment section. A lot of people on video platforms, like KZbin, like to claim inside knowledge of the people who appear in videos. So unless this person was able to provide definitive proof that they were related I would simply disregard any comment they make about this man.

[@princesse8227]

source: trust me bro

[@veggiesarefruits]

This was what I thought about since first seeing the interview. I've spent my career working with individuals with ASD, and I see a lot of the same symptoms. But that doesn't necessarily mean he has ASD.

[@TheEudaemonicPlague]

I'm glad I read your comment before starting this video--Dr. Das may be making errors, if he wasn't aware that the guy was heavily drugged. It certainly makes a difference to your reactions when you're sedated, and the piano thing could possibly be more of an effect of the drugs, rather than his mental illness. Your mention of the family meeting an autistic man is interesting, too. Even today, it can be very difficult to get correctly diagnosed as autistic. I have reason to strongly suspect that I'm on the spectrum, and that some of my psychiatric diagnoses were due more to the failure of the mental health professionals not recognizing it, than actually being correct. Unfortunately, my primary care doctor has become so popular that I'm having to wait over six months to see him. Obviously, when doctors trying to diagnose patients don't know enough to recognize autism, they're not ever going to diagnose anyone as autistic. That, of course, will lead to the individual receiving the wrong care...entirely likely to have severe negative effects on the patient.

[@JeffRebornNow]

@@veggiesarefruits what does ASD stand for?

[@prince2132]

I have catatonia. I able to sit, stand for hours with no discomfort. Able to walk for hours with no thought of leg fatigue. Able to work, exercise for hours on a stretch with no boredom. Fasting is very easy, gets no hunger feeling, gets no sleepy feeling at night. No awareness of time passing this is the mechanism by which these individuals can hold a position for as long as they want or do any activity for as long as they want. Thus there are many benefits of catatonia. It all depends on how the individual use this ability. Yes movements are stiff like Parkinson disease, facial expressions hard to make. Its bit like robotic movement. Mind is blank due to thought blocking due to which OCD like issues come. For me it didn't appeared abruptly instead took years and still it getting worse thus its not static instead a progressive illness. But if know how to function with this condition then its not a big deal. I have this for over 20 years now and not taking any medication for this. The first symptom I noticed long back is a gradual reduction in the working memory. Which means hard to multitask. If think of one thing all other thoughts and information get blanked out from the mind. This symptom got worse and worse as the years passed by.

[@paulmatejka7371]

Yes but it sounds as though you’ve always had insight and perception into your condition, It’s obviously worse if you haven’t got any insight or awareness.

[@prince2132]

@@paulmatejka7371 Yes insight is the crucial thing one need to have in any mental disease. Otherwise people go out of control. In psychosis people have no insight but when they get stabilized they get the awareness that those false thoughts and over reaction to those are due to the illness. Acceptance of the disease is the starting point of managing the condition.

[@derpyllama1857]

If you ever get tired of dealing with that just know help is one call away. You're still able to function and stuff so that's good.

[@Frank75288]

You should have been a postman

[@Kanggaxx]

If you know it keeps getting worse as the years pass by, why aren't you medication to stop that?

[@peteargent5848]

This is great! More of these please :)

[@justsomebloke6784]

I've seen this a couple of times and been fascinated, so was keen to watch your unfolding of the consultation. Something came back to me that happened in a psychiatrists offic at St. James's hospital in Portsmouth when you mentioned the authoritarian tone of the doctor. I was 17 back in 1980, and the psychiatrist that I was sent by my family to see, shouted at me to shut up during the consultation. I was not unused to this treatment as I was treated this way at home, all through school and since, throughout my working life. I have never known what it is about me that riles people up so much, to the point that I can't hold down a job, relationship, and have very few friends, although the ones I have are great. I have been diagnosed with a personality disorder which no doctor has ever tried to diagnose which one it might be, ( I think borderline), however many autistic people have told me: "You're one of us". So I'm 60, still confused about why I'm a social pariah, and still full of the best intentions in the world. I know there is a problem but have no idea what it is. I've achieved a state of equilibrium by living a small but incredibly full life. I learnt to seek contentment rather than happiness, because the former can exist when times are hard, but the latter is ephemeral and dependant upon getting everything you want. Unsustainable I apologise for springboarding from the subject to me, I just find I think more clearly when I write, as if structuring the sentences and syntax, quells the constant noise in my head and allows me time to reflect and refine. I can get in a terrible internal panic during the mildest confrontation, and I can only assume that me being in fight or flight is the problem. Anyway, to anyone who ploughed through that, I wish for you contentment too. We don't all have to live the same way to find our own peace.

[@DAVIDTORRESANI]

I also keep watching the original video throughout the years

[@debgalloway1398]

I would love to see you interview someone like this! I think we could learn even more from that.

[@peteargent5848]

I'd also love to see your analysis of interrogation videos where offenders display characteristics of personality disorders.

[@22leggedsasquatch]

Can it be, that such people suffered at the hands of their family and peers.. the kind of "you're useless..good for nothing..you'll never amount to anything" kind of abuse, leaving the person devoid of any self worth?.. hence complete withdrawal.

[@vettelover695]

No.

[@sharilynwells5172]

@@vettelover695 9

[@vettelover695]

@@sharilynwells5172 lol 👍🏻

[@22leggedsasquatch]

@@vettelover695 there's no such thing as a stupid question, if it's a sincere one. 😉 Psychology isn't a true science.. it's assumptions, assertions and boundaries are often moved according to who can shout the most or whichever political agenda runs the day.. while other things are indeed well known.. so such curt response is unnecessary and perhaps might say more about you, than it does my question. Hm...

[@vettelover695]

@@22leggedsasquatch is that projection I hear?? Lol

[@andyhughes5885]

I suffered from this too from the age of 16 and still have the odd bouts to this day although its gets less and less as time goes by. I noticed a huge relief by the age of 40 and although i was working full time, i had to have regular hospitalisation all through the worst years. I also found most meds tended to make matters worse and i only realised this in my later of the worse years as i wanted to find out what would happen if i did the opposite and reduce the flow of the meds. It was a slow process with trial and error but, i managed to get off all of them with no real bad episodes. Now, if i feel a bout coming on i lay down in a darkened room and try to get some sleep, it usually works. Some of the old treatments were barbaric and i`d never want to go through any of that again.

[@jwsuicides8095]

Poor soul. I hope he got the help he needed. We can't say that his father DIDN'T dislike him. His father may have been in huge distress seeing his son suffer, or his father may have disliked him from birth or since he got ill...

[@paulaunger3061]

I wonder if his ability to use language was damaged and 'dislike' was the nearest word he could find to the one which would have been more appropriate.

[@joannewilkins5000]

If he believed that his father disliked him then why would the father pay for him to play and teach piano. I think his father was responsible for putting his son into hospital so that to him meant he didn’t like him. Very sad.

[@dahnmason3243]

@joannewilkins5000 You know what, you might have actually been onto something if the "facts" you're working with were indeed facts.. the poor guy didn't have a piano, he had never played a piano in his entire life. Smh. Kinda puts things into perspective...😔😒😓

[@ferguson8143]

He died of a overdose in the 80s

[@jwsuicides8095]

@@ferguson8143 That is so sad. Thank you for the info.

[@tasanijanus7092]

Thanks Dr. Das! I feel like I have more insight into catatonic schizophrenia and it is much appreciated🙏

[@rubynibs]

There's a collection of these old psychiatric training films floating around online. Fascinating. Heart-wrenching. Excellent teaching devices. I watched these several years ago, but seem to remember them being not assessments, but patients known to the psychiatrist, who, as much as was possible for the patients, agreed to go on camera and talk with the psychiatrist, and again, for teaching purposes. (But it's been several years, so I could be wrong about everything. Except 42.) And because it always comes up, I'll say it now: the interviewer does an excellent job, so everyone just settle down and see how much you can learn.

[@Adara007]

Excellent albeit saddening video in many ways. I'd like to request two possible future videos; maybe one involving looking at Nootropics and the individuals inclined to take these, and the other on psychedelics used by individuals to treat trauma-based disorders, depression, anxiety, PTSD, and also the microdosing of psilocybin by some individuals. Btw, I just finished reading your book and have it on Audible, too; it's brilliant!

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

Much obliged. Please spread the word about my book x

[@megancaldaia6708]

@@Adara007 Aussie here too💯

[@christinefilas9392]

Shrooms are just fun, you don't have to have something wrong with you to enjoy a good trip.

[@ricky_singh247]

What a great channel! Found you from blackbeltbarrister! Keep up the good work, Dr Das!! 🙏🏼👏🏼

[@mrandredparis]

really love your analysis Dr Das, hopefully you can do some on people with schizoaffective disorder too

[@janinemccartha1811]

Hi Dr. Das. I hope you get this comment because I'm not pressing any "special" narcissistic buttons. My daughter has scitzoeffective & it is a combination of bipolar & schizophrenic. My Dad had schizophrenia which I always thought was just another level of bipolar. Thanks sincerely for your channel because it helps me understand this difficult illness. I'll see you on the next show, peace & Happy Holidays! Love, Janine Smiley🙂😀😋😉😘🎄🎁🎁🎁🎁🎉🎊🎈🎀

[@biblia843]

The doctor is being polite and professional and doing his job. People who think he's being mean are projecting.

[@georginamcmeeking7551]

Yesss I've been waiting for this. Hope you're well! Thank you for your informative and entertaining content.

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

You are so welcome!

[@traces2807]

Please watch Living Well with Schizophrenia/Schizo-affective Disorder. The young woman, Lauren lives with this illness and has done so much educating not only fellow sufferers, but clinicians as well. She's highly articulate and intelligent and worth watching.

[@MSeliskaZ]

I love your videos but I was couple times in a hospital because of my panic attacks(it got better, I manage to sooth myself) …anyway, I can (sadly) very much say, that nurses and doctors called me “dramatic”(which I was… at the start+then I got some issues and I couldn’t talk for like 2-3 days(no one was ever able to tell me why, because I was physically ok). They told me to stop being such an actress because I definitely faked it just to get some benzos out ouf them🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️). But it’s not just panic attacks… GAD&BPD&substances got me to dark places, but behaving of many doctors(and nurses) in a hospital totally lack any … empathy or at least trying to make it look that they care about people in there. I met plenty amazing doctors&nurses. But I am trying to keep my distance because you never know who to expect

[@barneyronnie]

What's wrong with benzos? I love 'Emma, especially with opiates😊

[@christinefilas9392]

I'm certain it is very challenging for the staff to be inundated with bizzaro land constantly.

[@Paroxid]

I’ve gotten ECT and I’m not psychotic but it literally helped me from not committing suice. Yes, i have some memory loss after but if it wasn’t for the ECT, I would be dead. So, ECT - not exactly my first choice, but it saved my life.

[@christinefilas9392]

Wow, someone that actually had the mindset to appreciate treatment!

[@marietteestabrook4098]

ECT is not what it was. It has been modified a lot. It still is not the first line of treatment but it can alter brain chemistry that nothing else can.

[@jackiemarsh2470]

Very Interesting Video!! Thank You So Much!! Have a Beautiful Day, and Week!!

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

Thank you! You too!

[@blessed_mourning]

I'm so happy you participated in the conversation with Mr. BlackPasta (The Disturbing Truth) which lead me to binge watch all your videos 😅

[@carmelhughesparolya899]

Loving this channel 🥰 thanks Dr. Das x

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@dragonsflyhighinthesky3419]

This poor guy overdosed in the 80s. I've read a realise describe his problem. There was no piano. He couldn't play any instruments. He was like this as he was medicated. He went from manic to cationic over and over again. Poor man suffered in his mind as do I. I'm fortunate enough to have the help I need.

[@y_not]

Appreciate your commentary on this video, helped make sense of it. You can see Dr Das has empathy for the man in the video which is nice to see because Dr Das has such a extraverted persona

[@SkepticalTeacher]

What often strikes me in these old videos from the 60s etc for mental illnesses or special educational needs is how kind and compassionate the professionals often seem, although obviously social interactions were more formal back then.

[@debshaw680]

There’s a channel that shows these much older clips. I saw one from the 50s of a woman locked up for being a lesbian. I believe it’s called Mental Health Treatment.

[@beachbliss9366]

Metabolic support can improve outcomes. My daughter who has schizophrenia, autism and intellectual disability has had a 90% improvement with nutritional support. Speech, spacial awareness, executive function, delusions, sensory issues, echolalia, comprehension and social skills (conversation) all symptoms minimised and she’s catching up with the developmental delay. We saw a geneticist who tested for genetic mutations and prescribed nutritional supplements. No drugs. Life is transformed.

[@JennCampbell]

I wonder if people made fun of him for being 'too feminine,' or 'gay.' This would explain him fixating on the way he sits and stands. The 1950s and 1960s weren't exactly a time of acceptance and understanding.

[@u.synlig]

This subject’s speech cadences, and even the delays before responding, remind me of HAL in A Space Odyssey.

[@Adara007]

Same. I'd add that it reminded me of a HAL who was perhaps extremely depressed and of course even more emotionally detached from others.

[@wendyleeconnelly2939]

If the client does behave oddly, others may be uncomfortable with him, judge him, think he's weird, or even dislike him, and he may pick up on that, but be unable to articulate it any more insightfully due to lack of theory of mind or lack of empathy with others. Or lack of insight about himself. The only information he really has is how people react to him or reject him and he's tried to create his own theories.

[@kr3642]

Yes thank you! One particular situation that could cause this belief is higher functioning autism. We do notice that people are cold/mean/bullying us sometimes and we are basically wired to notice patterns. We may not know why people dislike us but rack our brains trying to figure it out via comparison because people don't generally tell you why they don't like you.

[@colleenfromnh5860]

Thank you!! For acknowledging that the psychiatrist was not being empathic to the man. And I do believe that the man’s father could not like him because the father probably doesn’t have a mental health condition. Most men, or at least back then, want/ed their sons to be just like them and follow in their footsteps. 😢

[@rosedavidson-c1q]

This is really helpful, I assess people who live with psychiatric conditions as part of my job and this explains the symptoms well

[@jamielewis8405]

JaackMaate's Pod send me here - Great stuff, Sohom Das!

[@apassionante]

Good job, Doc! And the very delay in answering can also be the result of his treatment.

[@juliejohnson6472]

Like many comments here, I too had watched this vid a year ago and was totally fascinated by it. He really does think before answering questions and seems articulate in his response. One does wonder though what different medications he was on? Meds have changed so much. Glad you've covered it.

[@banditpoon714]

I learn more from you in 2mins than I ever did whats his names videos ❤🤣 Reading over the comments... I wonder if my grandma was ever properly diagnosed.. she was diagnosed as schizophrenic in the late 50d or early 60s, as a teenager. Some of this guys behavior reminds me of her. But honestly she didnt speak as much. Maybe she didnt speak as much to us, or we didnt ask the right questions. Idk 🤷‍♀️ I only ever still enquire about it do to the possible "genetics of mental illness " She was always so medicated though as well. I was about 20 when I became her DPOA... and it was hard, hard not having a regular relationship with her,hard not really knowing what was wrong with her bc I did try to give her her private y regarding the matters as well. I mean, I figure shes still there I dont want to pry.. but then maybe if I had I would have been able to have a better understanding of myself earlier on.. just thoughts in my brain Anyways... great video as always

[@TheEdmond30]

Been in that state myself. its a savage internal condition to express through.

[@lisashears1399]

This is so sad and that poor guy I Hope he found peace with his mental health eventually xx

[@SARoy-nt7rf]

He did not apparently.. read xomment further back

[@dutchbiker4825]

If the purpose of this video was to showcase the type of illness, the manner of questioning by the interviewer makes more sense. Also, seen the age of the video, I could imagine the level of sophistication of questioning this patient is not up to current standards.

[@tmsphere]

This is how it's done today? I don't understand what's wrong with the questions? No kiss on the cheek?

[@UKLady]

What a great video - thanks for sharing! I've not seen many catatonic people in my life but it's very interesting. I do wonder what has become of him.

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@mar97216]

According to the niece (if that can be trusted) he struggled his whole life, and he died in the late 1980s of an overdose of meds/drugs. Very tragic:(

[@andrewmalcolm79]

Thanks Dr. Das!

[@angelacoborn2597]

I am catatonic schizophrenic. Now the “Subs” have changed in the past ten years since my diagnosis. I suppose the term is out dated. However, my experience lasted at least two years, if I count the seasons correctly. How I view this video, based on self-experience isn’t necessarily fear. Having this diagnosis has helped me understand that I was never afraid of my being, or others. Simply of the consequences in expressing, yes. I did hear what you said, processed it quickly and decided not to respond knowing how complex language can be. A brief ending would be, you captured me to study my behavior due to a loss of time and critically judged me if my reaction did not measure up to the status quo’s. Some how left the hospital in a paper suit, with six weeks left of warm weather. ❤ thanks for listening

[@shecat1964]

I am very curious how things worked out for this man. Did anyone ever do an update? There is another vid from around the same time of a little girl they diagnosed as psychotic. they thought her to be very dangerous and had to remove her from her home, think because she tried to hurt a sibling. I think it was called child of evil. There is an update on her. She got the right kind of help and had a family.

[@Flamingo123e]

this video was from the early 60’s he took his own like from a drug overdose in the 80’s

[@hulamei3117]

Sad

[@SonamKumari-kz5kr]

​@@Flamingo123e He was a student at University of California (Theatre and Arts Department), and this video was produced by the Department for Department of Psychiatry to illustrate negativism in Catatonic Schizophrenia..

[@MR-qs8zc]

Doc, your videos are great - expert, sympathetic and insightful. Thanks!

[@Joey0017]

This poor soul, i have bipolar myself but I'm really fortunate to be alive in this time as I'd hate to think what would have happened to me if I was born in his era. 🥺

[@Isisbridge]

What the man is saying probably makes perfect sense in the context of the confusing family relationships that he's immersed in, but the situation has now become "too involved to describe", particularly to a doctor who displays zero empathy and will view his answers as signs of "illness". His retreat into catatonia is not a "thought block", but the perfectly understandable reaction of someone living in a schizophrenogenic environment, where his very self is under threat from all sides. I would suggest that the man actually has far more insight than the psychiatrist. The psycho may have told him what's wrong with him in terms of giving him some meaningless psychiatric label, but hasn't told him why they consider there's something WRONG with him when he's simply trying to conform to the conflicting messages he's getting from the crazy people around him. If other family members have been continually criticising him for expressing his true self, then his catatonia is his way of being the "normal" they seem to want him to be, by not expressing himself. So, in that sense, he's right in believing he has no need to be in a mental hospital. Instead of trying to "elicit symptomatology" of a non-existent illness, the doctor would do better to assess the "patient" within his family environment. Far better than subjecting him to drugs and state-sanctioned brain damage.

[@savannahm9943]

This is most under-liked comment I have ever seen; I’m an autistic Savant who also grew up in a schizophrenogenic environment where my family members projected heavily onto me. After leaving my home I was finally able to understand what happened and get to know my true self. Due to my autism and my personal experience, I can see the signs very clearly in this man and I knew in seconds what a worthless quack this doctor was.

[@Isisbridge]

@@savannahm9943 Well done you for managing to escape from the situation. I had a similar experience with my own family (now deceased) and find immense comfort from being able to interpret the past relationships in an intellectual way. Do you think that the family environment plays any part in the development of autism?

[@savannahm9943]

@@Isisbridge Actually I have a feeling that my mother fell prey to her vices during my pregnancy and my adaptable brain tried to overcompensate for the damage she did. It’s probably why she beat me when I stimmed. Guilt and shame, turned into fear and envy. Unfortunately when you’re born a Savant, you are also born the Adult Child. Addendum: I would like to extend my sympathies; it’s nice to know someone can relate. The worst part is being able to understand your family’s subconscious so intimately.

[@Isisbridge]

@@savannahm9943 I'm not sure that anyone is BORN savant. I think it's more to do with early development.

[@savannahm9943]

@@Isisbridge There is plenty of scientific literature on autism being prenatal but I am not here to expatiate on that or justify my diagnosis or how it came to be; the true answer is not known and what you are spouting is merely conjecture. No offense but in the future, keep in mind that us autistic folk are well informed of a disorder that tortures us throughout our entire lives.

[@dirk4926]

Very interesting, thanks again Doc

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@anonymousmedusa]

this is fascinating yet sad to watch. I wonder if he improved enough to function normally? Thank you Doctor Das for this.

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

you're welcome fam

[@patriciawatts3169]

Just found you on July 4th. Love your premise. Gotta go catch up on your videos. Love ya and Happy 4th of July!

[@rishaa682]

To be fair if i was being treated by mental health centers in the 60’s I’d be pretty “paranoid” too

[@Joe-vg1rb]

100k ain't bad! 😂 it's nice to see informative and educational content pulling in respectable viewing figures.

[@msr305]

authentically insightful. just subbed.

[@sonjajefferson23]

great video, I saw this in college

[@simonmenzies3142]

I feel that he is extremely honest and gives very direct answers. Wonder if that’s correct

[@carolineoverbeek8210]

Fascinating Dr Das thank you. Are there some similarities in speech and movement in autistic children.

[@mikejacobson14]

Fascinating! Too bad for the young man.

[@miadodson1938]

@1:39 I'm sensing fear, I suffer from C-PTSD as a result of lifelong abuse which has hightened my ability to sense things around me, and I am picking up on his fear and his desire to flee 😢

[@homicidalmuffin6190]

I feel horrible for him, so sad.

[@R.96108]

A lot to learn from your vids, thanks.

[@annedodgson8677]

The patient’s diction is amazingly pure…

[@HumbleMonsterUK]

So I read… This video was from 1961 He was on medication in the video His family tried hard to help him He never owned a piano The piano playing was just one of many temporary obsessions He would sit or stand motionless for hours He died in the late 1980s

[@christinefilas9392]

Good grief! If that was his level of functioning on meds, I would hate to see him off them.

[@HumbleMonsterUK]

@@christinefilas9392 They don’t always work 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@zenamen5221]

This person seems highly traumatized. Yes highly paranoid. But the question is how did this happen. Very good, A Psych For Sore Minds.

[@jacobjacob3257]

I wonder if anyone has ever asked him if he's forgiven anyone. Im curious what would happen if you could get someone in this state to reveal their traumas caused by people and persuade the afflicted person to forgive them.

[@MrDrPrfsrSir]

Is it weird that I feel like I know exactly what the patient is talking about?

[@SkepticalTeacher]

"People with grandiose delusions who think they're going to be famous rappers", careful now, Ominous Sohominous! 😄 🤣 ❤

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

Hey, I never said I wasn't deluded x

[@StrangeScaryNewEngland]

Where do we draw the line between our conscious thought / voice in our head always speaking out loud or a schizophrenic voice?

[@KikyKreemcheese]

Dude, you're totally acing it! Love your videos.

[@jackx6786]

Could also be symptoms of Medication/ labotomu/ electro shock ?????? Autism??? Brain damage?

[@randyarnau4606]

I read an article a couple of years ago, where this man’s family were interviewed. Apparently this interview was conducted after he was on antipsychotics and prior to medication he was much more fully catatonic.

[@tmsphere]

For the anti psychiatry folks out there who've saying all this guy needs is a pat on the back.

[@jean2479]

Ive seen this young man's interview several times over the years, because my son has schizophrenia, and I read about this horrid, sad illness and watch videos, just trying to understand what my son goes through. Every time I watch this poor guy struggle painfully just to say his own thoughts! My son only gives one word answers .... all the negative symptoms ... anyway, this poor man, I feel sad for him. I wonder where he is now?

[@cruisinginthavic]

I believe he lost his battle with his demons in the 80’s. I hope things get better with your son.

[@ghenulo]

He's got more insight than I have. I have no idea why everyone hates me. Maybe if I knew, I could work on avoiding doing whatever causes such hatred.

[@christinekelly8766]

I saw this film years ago been a case study for a while. This has been fascinating to me all my adult life. I like law too. Now with the internet I can see more

[@kellywark5149]

I had no idea that catatonia was that rare. Thank You Dr. Das for enlightening Me on this. Cheers.

[@markczarny7088]

These illnesses never end well yet we alwys get the reaction I hope he got better.Sad news they never do😢

[@rosiegordon6203]

Dear Dr Das. Absolutely loving your channel. I listened to you in a podcast saying that you loose motivation to make KZbin clips and you are not sure they are worth while. I’m here to tell you that this channel is utterly essential and will be life changing for many people. Please please don’t give up. This stuff is to good and to interesting to important to not carry on. Besides, I like your face! You could cut out the ‘ya mum’ jokes tho. They’re a bit hurtful.

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

thanks for the props. I don't mean your mum, I mean everyone else's x

[@artemiaevestone1403]

i feel so bad for him i hope he got to play the piano i wonder what hes like now or if hes still alive !

[@joannrobinson8830]

My oldest sister had a episode called catatonic. It was a old memory of watching abuse of the children. But she could not move or talk and had to be taken by ambulance from her job to hospital. Triggered by seeing someone who resembled an abuser. Abuse causes these problems...

[@Saddam-london]

That man is well spoken 😮

[@paulak7939]

Work in the mental health arena ...thank you for this evaluation .. any chance of doing a video on tactile hallucinations... auditory, visual and physical.. ive subbed .fab channel

[@markeagling2897]

If that is genuinely the first time you've seen this video, the level of insight you demonstrated was impressive...

[@nelliedean7088]

I think that because it’s his job.

[@markeagling2897]

@@nelliedean7088 Nevertheless, props...

[@rubynibs]

@@nelliedean7088 Yes, it's his job, but Dr. Das is a cut above most psychiatrists. His insight is something that can't be learned in school, and is never learned by most people. If Dr. D. weren't exceptional, I wouldn't watch him (even though he is blisteringly handsome).

[@Adara007]

His recent book "In Two Minds" is excellent and a good insight into his many years of experience in the field so I'd recommend it if you're interested.

[@APsychForSoreMinds]

aw shucks!

[@margaretblack8538]

In the 60's he had no chance of getting out. Plus the treatments meted out to him in those years were akin to being a laboratory animal. He would have no rights whatsoever.

[@rashidsayyed4400]

You are sooooo on point man. Kudos to you

[@karenmacnel1789]

So very sad. do u have any info on if things got better for him? Hope so! A follow up video would be interesting!

[@fernandojorquera4582]

Great analysis , thanks!

[@sunshineannie8662]

There is a comment on the original video from this gentleman’s niece. She said he never played the piano that she was aware of. It’s very interesting comment. She gives a lot of history and what happened in future with him. Thank you for your evaluation.