Pt 1of 2 More hatsan 125 & 135 inportant info!

[@waynet.7656]

"Gaining knowledge is the first step to wisdom,sharing it, is the first step to humanity," Thank You So Much For Sharing Your Knowledge With Everyone.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Thanks Wayne, Iam pretty sure some airgun tuners learned somethng from the videos too hatsan guns can really be a pain for anyone who is not familure with them. main reason was to help guys who were capable, this sport sucks up your money and air gunners get ripped off everyday heck just buying a gun could be a waste of money if you dont know your guns

[@DavidJones-we2ex]

Thank you. I have had some issues with my 125 th not cocking and after breaking it down to pull the trigger mechanism apart, getting scared I wouldn't be able to get it together, getting all the pins back in place. I am now confident I can pull the spring out and still have a working rifle. Thank you, thank you!

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Your welcome thanks for letting me know/ when she's done when putting the stock back on those trigger pins have to be even side to side, so the stock clears them. for the stock I screw the large screw at the trigger in to catch a couple turns then do the front stock bolt then come back to the large screw at the trigger guard. the slight angle helps the front stock bolt align if it gives you a problem

[@TheCutter123]

Thanks for all your videos , especially the detailed information on the Quattro trigger, especially the sear pin tip and the fact that the sear has to be engaged to go back together right. I hopefully have resurrected an 85 sniper that had its gas ram go flat. I pumped it back up with my pcp adapter and hand pump, so far so good! I could have tried pumping through the access ports that hatsan made in the receiver, but they werent lined up well enough with the fill port. Not sure the ram will hold, but if not I could at least replace it myself now.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Your welcome Glen. Thanks for letting me know it helped, feels good to know it Mike E

[@coolwarrior993]

I have the Hatsan TH 125.25 and no problems i love Hatsan. Powerful and accurate for a springer.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

+Cool Warrior the 125 and 135 are best in .25 cal smoother shot cycle big difference in how the .25 make it function over the slaming piston of a .22. for got to mention, I Love it when some one gets a good one Thanks Mike

[@guamairportpolice3964]

thank you mike. all ur hatsan videos are bomb! big help for me. thanks again, God Bless

[@MrSteppingstone888]

+Guam Airportpolice Thank you for letting me know, I am glad when it helps some one. Mike

[@LostBeetle]

Awesome, glad I found you. I'm pretty sure my piston ring is bad and it's going to need replaced. Don't know when I'll get started, but for now I'm subbing and adding this to my favorites.

[@Romans--bo7br]

Hi Mike... Thank you for your Very Informative videos... they're great and very detailed, unlike many others on here (regarding other brands of guns). I only wish I had found your videos prior to today.... as I had received a .25 cal 135 from PA just about two months ago... loved the wood stock, but I could Not get that thing to group tighter than 3" at a measly 10yrds... and that was after I had cleaned out the barrel (which I always do, as soon as I receive a new gun). I even hand pushed 9 different .25 cal pellets down the barrel to feel what was going on... a few all but just fell out of the barrel, most felt loose for about 2/3rds down, then tightened to varying degrees to the muzzle... some were so tight, that I was sure if I could push them through. Long story short... it went back to PA. I also had the same issue, plus a few more with the Hatsan version of the "Patriot" in .25..... it went back to PA as well, and I "upgraded" that one to a Benji MRod in .25 cal... Love it... easy to shoot and VERY accurate. However, my "dilemma" is... I don't like PCP's for the simple reason of all the extra cost and paraphernalia associated with the necessary "life support".... which I don't (and will not) have, as I bought a Hill Stage 4 pump to "hand pump" my Mrod, two Disco's and one of Mike Melicks Gen2 - XS60's (.22 cal)... with the exception of the Mrod... the others are easy to pump up... the Mrod gives me a great work out for that last 5 - 600 psi up to 3000.... resulting in my Not shooting it very much. I REALLY want a decent springer in .25 cal (NO "gas rams").... and yes, the Germans make some great (quality, wise) ones.... but, All of the few that they produce (in .25), are all in the very low 600 fps range...At Best !!... I need something that will reach out to 40/45 yrds without a whole lot of holdover to get it on target... I need something that will push (at least) 25 - 28gr. pellets out the door in the range of 690 - 750 fps. That's why I pursued the Hatsan line.... the power IS there.... but D*#... they're All over the "map"...... I read all these "testimonies" from guys who say how wonderful and "accurate" they are..... I guess I must have received the only two Hatsans that were not(?!?). I realize that by & large, on average.. and despite apparent inconsistent QC issues with Hatsan... they sell a "ton" of guns, world wide..... so, they must be able to "satisfy" most buyers enough to stay in business. I know how to "artillery hold" these things.... have been at it for a long time and have a collection of 16 Springers (not counting PCP's & Sheridan & Benjamin Multi-pumps (.20 cal)... and with the exception of just a couple... are all "magnums"... mostly Diana's and Weihrauchs.... and the Only "chinese" springers I have, I bought from my personal friend.. Mike Melick, two are magnums, two are not (for my wife).... No Gamo's, or any other "big box" store air guns. SO.... Question: What would be "Your" choice, for a good shooting (re:accurate) .25 cal. air rifle.... with some "muscle" behind it ?? Do I get another Hatsan in my desired .25 cal springer.... and send it to you, for a FULL Tune.... if that's even an option ?? How about any of the "fixed barrels" from Hatsan... like the 155 Torpedo (?)... in.25..... I'm not too sure what to think of their "set up" in regards to the design, and how the breach is accessed.... what to you know about them, if anything ?? Their design is certainly a departure from the "norm" in relation to everyone else's approach to air rifle fixed barrel design, in that regard... any "known" Long term use, "issues" with Them ?? Shoot !!... this has gotten away from me here.... sorry, I will eagerly await your reply to my questions.... as I greatly respect your knowledge on the Hatsans, from what I've gleaned from your wonderfully detailed videos. I still have credit "on hold" at PA from the 135 that I returned, while I make a decision on which way to go in acquiring (hopefully) another .25 cal springer.... Thank you very much, for your time in reading my "book" here (sorry)... and for all & any advice you can send my way, regarding my questions. THANK YOU, Mike... and also, for all the time & effort you put into your videos, on all our behalf. It's Greatly appreciated.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

2Stroke Diesel Power Hi. I dont like the hatsan under leavers because they weigh a ton, I never had one, I almost bought one out of curiosity and eventually after staring at it and thinking a lot about it I was able to move on.. I dont know why but I never got a good hatsan from pryamyd air, its the weirdest thing. I dont blame pryamyd air it just is the darn-est thing they all had problems, this was going back a while. when ever I bought a hatsan from air gun depot they turned out better, obvious they received a better batch of hatsan rifle. Try again from air gun depot, follow thu with cleaning the barrel, then checking the barrel like you did before by sliding the pellet down the barrel to feel whats going on. hatsan did have barrel issues , even if they corrected them that does not mean they will follow thru to stay on top of the problem, it could re occur again. some recent ones I seen were very good , even had a nice crown & choke. a far cry from what I seen in the past. if you get a hatsan 125 or 135 with a decent barrel that would be a start, iF YOU DO, I recommend buying a better spring for it Vorteck has something for them I think, something I will be doing down the road when I get back to a couple unfinished projects. Thees rifles are beasts, tuning helps but they are not like a fine lower powered German springer. I can make a top hat & custom fitted delrin spring guide for you, if you send me the spring, if you are able to do the rest of the work your self that would save you money. the ticket is to get a good hatsan rifle , I try again, then check the barrel like you did and if its not rite send it back. I would talk to some one about it at Air Gun Depot letting them know if the barrel is not except able you will be sending it back, and see what they say. tell them hatsan had barrel issue and you dont want a bad one see what they say. They have improved from what I seen, but again that does not mean they will stay on top of whats made at the factory. if its power in .25 you want a good hatsan is the ticket. I can work your rifle if you get a good one, if you are not able to do your own work. it has to have decent barrel, and a better spring would help last longer and feel different, maybe with a slight de tune it is hard to get everything from a rifle with out a compromise the bigger the magnum power the more recoil & that recoil defeats the accuracy. hatsans designs is over built its over the top. working them is like taming a bull its still a bull, just a more honed in bull LOL

[@Romans--bo7br]

Mike Ellingsworth** Mr Stepping Stone*** Hi Mike... Thank you SO much for your reply and input, Greatly appreciated. I can do tuning.... just getting into it... within the last year, but only for myself.... and have Never opened a Hatsan... and seeing your videos, tells me you've certainly "been there & done that".... many times, with the Hatsans. I never have dealt with AGD.... only PA & AoA.... guess I'll give them a try.... as soon as I talk to PA about returning my credit from the 135 I returned. I will say one thing about PA..... returning anything to them is NEVER a "hassle"... they are VERY accommodating, to say the least..... their service is excellent. I have Not dealt previously with AGDepot, as it was "suggested" to me.... that they did (do?) Not have a good reputation for accepting returns..... as in... once it's out their door.... it's "your baby"..... and judging by what you suggested in talking with them about Hatsans barrels, to see what they say about returning it, IF not acceptable with the barrel, tells me that what I was told a couple of years ago..... may well, be true about them..... however, I will call them.. and "visit" with them about it, and see what transpires. I think I will talk to them Before I ask for my money back from PA, though. Could you give me a "CLOSE" approximate, as to what you would charge to do a FULL / COMPLETE TUNE on either a 125 or 135 ??...... also, a close approximate "turnaround" time ??......... all this info will help contribute to deciding if I will get a .25 cal from Hatsan.... or not. IF, I do not.... then I will most likely get another RWS / Diana.... most likely the Diana Branded 350 Magnum, as their version is available in .25 cal and If I remember correctly, is sufficiently "hot" to get downrange with the FPE I'm looking for. Thank you for your thoughts on the Hatsan underlevers..... I rechecked on them after writing you last time.... they ARE a "brute" for weight, aren't they !!?! That doesn't Really bother me so much though, as their design for the breach opening..... something tells me, that after a period of time... there would be "issues" appearing.... that I really don't want to mess with....... if they accessed the breach / loading port area, like everyone else, and with a sufficiently nice size opening like Weihrauch & RWS / Diana (RWS is just Diana's "home" (Germany) marketing Co.) under & side levers.... I would buy a Hatsan 155 in a heartbeat, to at least try out.... but.... don't mean to get off track, but... have you ever shot the British "Pile Driver" pellets ???....... if not, you Really need to try them..... I just got some from AoA..... WOW !!! I chony'd them at both ends... four ft from the muzzle and at 25 yrds... using my Weihrauch HW80 (.22 cal & Vortec Tuned).... and with a 15 shot string.... my average loss of FPE, from muzzle to target (25 yrds)... was only 2.6 FPE !!!!! Unbelievable.... and I shot them up against everything from Crossman Premiers, to JSB's, H&N's, Peak, AirArms (H&N I believe), etc, etc..... the next "closest" for loss of FPE at 25 yrds, were the H&N Field Target Trophy's (14.66 gr.).... with a 9.2 fpe loss at target.... calm / NO wind whatsoever. The Pile drivers "boat tail" design Really is the "key"..... I never have liked the "Diabolo" design with the hollow back end.... yes, it helps the air push them out the door.... but, in flight..... it reeks havoc. The "Pile Drivers" are.... Not the cheapest pellet on the shelf by any means..... but, I'm going to be getting a bunch more for hunting purposes, only..... in all the calibers they have.... they are definitely worth it. Well... better get some shut eye... getting really late. Thanks again for your reply.... and appreciate any further reply to my questions in this reply. Take care, Mike.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Here's my email address drop me a email so we can continue privately. [e-mail] Pile drivers ? nope have not heard of those, but I'll give them a look over , my shooting has been almost non existing for several reason. I made a new video on a in door fold up sliding shooting table if you want to see it check it out

[@MrSteppingstone888]

2Stroke Diesel Power Have not heard back from you thru my email that I gave you. [e-mail] curious to see what air gun depot said when you ask them about returns, and about the possibility of barrel issues. I may of mention using the xl gas ram or that could of been some other reply to some one else. but you said you did not want a gas ram, so if I brought it up its because I got off track that's why personal email is better. Iam going to buy new springs either from JM or from Vorteck for my 125 down the road.

[@stephenandrews9923]

PILEDRIVER, do they have them in .25

[@gordsalo-io8iu]

Appreciate your very thorough information on the Hatsan air rifles. I am trying to find a replacement 7mm bolt that bolts stock to compression tube together. Mine broke. I found a site that had parts but no stock in inventory. I made a temporary bolt that seems to hold up to now. I have the Webly Patriot .177 caliber made by Hatsan which is a beast. Very accurate. Love to shoot it. Do you know where I could get this bolt?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Yes Reach out no caps no L no spaces replace dot with the . and at with the @ sign a w a y s m i k e at h o t m a i l d o t c o m

[@JoBles360]

Thanks mike! I have an older 135 and I thing my gas piston is failing. My pellets are getting stuck in the barel. I learned alot from your videos on how to rebuild this rifle. Now to find someone who can charge and test my gas ram.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

I can get that done for you if you are able to pull it. My friend rebuilds them I have one in my shop charge to the strongest bar fill

[@JoBles360]

@@MrSteppingstone888 yeah I pulled it apart and greased it up, honed all the parts and the same symptoms. The gas ram wont fly forward enough to push the pellet out of the bore. How do I get more information from you privately?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@JoBles360 [e-mail]

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Did you get my email I have not received a email from you [e-mail]

[@springpistonriflefeverlone9611]

I got a Walther Talon Magnum 22 from Big J's Custom Airguns. It is a little different than the Hatsan 125. The piston is different and it has a single stage trigger. So I'm trying to get a little educated from your videos🙂👍.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

if its a single stage trigger its a OLD one made in turkey by hatsan for Walter Co old ones had plastic triggers and like one pin on the end of receiver tube should have a great barrel as I believe hatsan kept up with quality control when they made them for walter/ the stocks are slightly different fit up wise compared to a later model hatsan 125 and will not line up, I may have one of those stocks from the Walter falcon same earlier model in camo

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Thank you, your timing is spot on for tonight with your youtube name . You must of bought a good one, it is hit and miss on the hatsans rifles. Mike

[@draoudeffargur350]

Hi. Very helpful again, thanks Master! 👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Your welcome/ thank you

[@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82]

Man I wish I lived closer by I would send you my 125 25. Gas ram it shoots all over the place literally cannot even be sighted in really, worst of all its been sitting for like a year before I tested it, so no warranty anymore. I'll do some barrel testing tonight. mind you I only have like 50 pallets through it. It could be my technique or something but I'm usually a decent shot. Cheers from New Zealand

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Those barrel can be filthy dirty and also bad use goo gone , - pull the breech seal. then saturate the bore let it sit and penetrate for a good while, then use a good condition brass bore brush, going in and all the way out of the barrel before pulling brush back about 20 times then stuff goo gone soaked patches thru using a skinny smoothed tip rod I pack as many as I can but can still push them out then when they come out clean I go back to the bore brush another 20 x and finish with the patches again/ then clean out bore with compressed air , then I use brake cleaner spray to dry it all up after with air again then I do a pellet to bore fit to see what the pellet tells me about the pellet to bore fit I bet you have a over sized barrel with not much pellet to bore contact - light pellet to bore drag is ok but free fall is not/ Yes Jesus is our all in all

[@jolynjacinto2890]

mike if my gas ram failed what do I need to replace do I need to buy the whole ram assembly ? or it can be repaired are break barrel air rifle works the same even different brand cuz I also have gamo swarm maxim gen 1

[@justliketolook]

At 28:40 where you talk about the seal , I like to use the teflon tape the yellow color instead of the dental floss behind the o ring . I used 2 layers to raise up the o ring just enough to pass the tissue test . The first time I did a seal adjustment ,I did what you said and I raised the seal up to much because I though the tighter the seal the better ,but to tight a seal won't let the barrel close in the same position , and since its a hinge when you close the barrel the bottom of the seal hits first and the barrel won't close as far as it did before you moved the seal out farther . When the barrel doesn't close as far as it use to your point of impact is no where near where it was ,The pellet will hit really low because the barrel is pointing down . When I did the seal adjustment I could not figure out why my pellet was hitting so low on the target . I figured since I stopped tissue blow out the pellet would be higher on the target because of a higher fps . Its nothing you can see just my looking at the barrel and it seems to close just fine but its just enough to angle it downwards . So after thinking about it for a while It finely came to me that maybe the barrel was not closed as much as it should be . I took the teflon back out and did a layer at a time and I open and closed it to make sure the seal was seated where it was going to seat . It takes a while to get it just right and by just right I mean one layer it blows out the paper and the next layer of tape it makes a hole and doesn't blow out the paper . After that I shot the gun and the point of impact was the same . Well anyways thats how I learned how important the placement of that seal really is .

[@MrSteppingstone888]

justliketolook Excellent ideal, I probably would twist the Teflon to make a string out of it and fold it in. yes it does not take much to do the job. once I had used jb weld then pushed the seal into place to push the excess out, I believe that was on a project rifle.

[@justliketolook]

do you have to do any adjustments on the gun to make the gas ram change . I have the newest 125 sniper 22 cal spring gun .

[@justliketolook]

I just place the tape over the the area where the o ring goes and press the o ring over the tape and the tape fills in any space on both the inside and out side of the oring and I close the barrel to push the o ring back in place then I just cut a hole where the pellet goes and on the out side of the oring so every thing is air tight and it raises up the oring at the same time . I use the tape to thread around my my steamer cap where I add my water, it has a lot of pressure behind it and I never lose any pressure at all . So its really strong stuff but very flexible .

[@MrSteppingstone888]

justliketolook Not on the rifle, but on the adapters I make there are two adapters I make one for the bottom of the piston and one for the end of the ram at end of receiver. the adapter I make for the end of the receiver has to be taken down so that when everything is assembled the end of the receiver sticks out about 1/8" the info should be on how to gas ram your hatsan. locate the video & watch it then get back to me with any questions. I talk about using the crosman XL gas ram that's what I recommend they are like 28 bucks plus small shipping fee from crosman Co Thanks Mike

[@justliketolook]

Thanks I watched it last night part 1 and 2 . after I sent this message . I almost got the Hatsan Model 125 Sniper Vortex Piston .But it was 100 dollars more than the spring gun . I got it on sale at midway for 189.00 so I could not let that go . And I figured I would just order the vortex gas ram that sales for 100.00 later on and still be at the regular price but have both a spring and a ram piston , Since you can get both ram and spring for the same gun , what I was wondering is will the vortex piston fit into the spring gun with out any changes to the gun . Have you ever changed the spring to a vortex in the 125 sniper . I think there is a differences in the 125 gun and the 125 sniper the price is almost 100 dollars difference and the fps is 250 fps less than the 125 sniper . So I would think the piston sizes are different .

[@MarcPipistrello]

My 135 QE in .30 cal gas piston arrived yesterday. I can’t wait to get it out there and fire it up.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

the wood stock version looks nice.

[@MarcPipistrello]

@@MrSteppingstone888 That's the one.

[@ryanwyrick6947]

Hey Mike nice to meet ya.. Just toom my 25 cal 125 spring sniper... still going for 300 I actually found this on Amazon for 200 and I was very very nervous indeed as anyone would be but for the most part it looks new however I had a Crosman multi-pump when I was a kid and that's the extent of my air rifle experience and I'm 45 now so as you can imagine I'm like what the hell is going on here. Had a low pitch squeek or grind sound like a honky tonkey Goose... also caulking it seems to be really hard and then I got even more nervous once my airtact 25 came and realized how smooth and easy that thing cocked. I can't compare the overall sound of the shot because of such different qe tech... but this mod 125 sure does sound like a crack of a firearm. I cleaned the barrel a little and I think it may have sounded a little better but I have this thing apart right now and I'm putting RWS spring cylinder oil on all the hinges but I have a couple questions about the ports just above the trigger mechanism at the very back of the spring. Should I be dropping oil in there as well? And then that brings me to the compression chamber. When I crack the barrel should I put anything on the top of that chamber port or should I drop a couple drops inside the port? I have literally heard both and honestly it's just a crazy world where no one knows the truth about anything even shit like this and pardon my language but I finally stopped at your video because I'm about to stream it and take a breather and just listen closely and try to find some patience but I'm ready to put this thing back together I just don't want to start firing off until someone lets me know if I'm just tripping but the tension of the cock didn't seem right at all and of course the noise isn't right. I sure as hell didn't buy this caliber of a rifle to hear that kind of a squeaking noise. Okay I'm all ears and I'm very open-minded so anyone can chime in I'm a newbie and I really need to understand this oil thing because I'm not worrying about warranties. To tell you the truth my next one might be a Gamo since they just re-upped their stock of the Magnum... call me crazy but I want to know if we can mod a 22 swarm Magnum into a 25...

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Gamo has my full vote I just bought the extreme hunter pro they have hammer forged barrels & they are made very well good steel also. good adjustable triggers too. with a swarm you are stuck with that caliber but on a single break barrel like the gamo extreme hunter pro it can be re barreled I had a extreme hunter from 2014 & was going to re barrel that ,I never looked into those & wanted to do one/ gamos are excellent rifles, I personally don't care for swarm I rather have a no issue single load rifle. others love them that's just me. Back to your 125 sounds like your air chamber & piston is dry RWS air chamber oil is for the air chamber & RWS spring oil is for outside of the air chamber mainly the spring so drop about 4 to 6 across the spring, yours sounds like its dry and may need it you can drop 2 or 3 drops of air chamber oil in the port hole then try to cock the gun with out fully cocking the piston back into the trigger sear you want to work the piston back and forth trying to spread the air chamber oil around, wipe off any oil that is sitting on top area of the port hole If you can get some one to help hold the gun on a bench while you drop the 3 drops in then keep your finger over the port hole then cock the barrel back and hold it there to form a vacuum then pull your finger away so it sucks the oil into the chamber/ don't get hurt be sure its all solid secure with however your doing it/ otherwise just drop the 3 drops wait a minute & try to work the piston back & forth using the barrel it will definitely cause detonation and be loud but eventfully it will burn off / I have are own custom seals for that gun I can make custom spring guides for it & can install custom after market spring or gas ram it & go thru the gun etc etc

[@jolynjacinto2890]

I was thinking of buying the 130 hatsan .30. or the Hatsan BT Big Bore Carnivore QE SL Air Rifle air Rifle pcp

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Ivan Are you sure it is a springer and not a gas ram. hate to ask such a question but often I do not know what the owners knowledge is, you should be able to see the spring from underneath with the stock on

[@petermoritz2452]

I just tightened up my lock up on my mod 95. it was a struggle but it made it to the next slot! Now if it would of been half way .. i would consider to leave out the set screw and pack epoxy putty in place of it.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

LOL I guess epoxy would be better then solider filled, but I think another solution would of been key they are a P I A but they teach us alot those hatsan guns

[@kendalabarca6707]

Muchas Gracias Amigo. Excelente video y Gran Nivel de su explicación. Felicitaciones!!!

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Thank you & happy new year

[@kendalabarca6707]

Muchas Gracias Señor. Y aprovecho para también desearle un muy Feliz Año 2019!!! A Usted en unión de su Familia y demás seres queridos. Saludos y seguiré su excelente canal y videos.

[@makerofmanythings8447]

I have a Hatan 135 qe itro piston in 25 caliber and it makes a terrible scraping sound when I cock it. What do you thinks wrong with it? Thank you very much for your videos.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Could be several things. could be the screw inside the ram fell off and is jammed between the rod & the tube . I rebuild the rams the rite way or if it is destroyed I can replace it. and If the gun is accurate and you really like it, then it would be worth sending it to me to completely go thru it. If you are interested, you can reach me hear for a break down [e-mail]

[@makerofmanythings8447]

@@MrSteppingstone888 What are the odds that the repairs will or could cost.? It only makes the scraping sound after about 7 shots. It's weird.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@makerofmanythings8447 Email me hear I don't discuss prices here [e-mail]

[@therainman6238]

Recently I bought hatsan 135 5.5 spring version and I was so disipointed with it's acuratsy and build quality overall. I spend just about 100 shots and one sidescrew just broked and fell off the gun.I just send it back few days ago to the store that sell it to me to fix it if they can if you know what I mean.I would't recomend it to anyone.

[@Laserwurks]

I had 4 rams replaced by Hatsan they all leaked down. I thinking on getting a spring back in my gun. the last one leaked out completely the day I installed a upgrade seal.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

On line at hatsan usa / fill out the parts request form and ask for a end plug for the springer version then you can install a crosman xl gas ram but you will need to make adapters or contact me and I'll make them for you

[@Bigbopperairguns]

Thank you for posting this. I need help, I have a hatsan 150 torpedo that is coughed and the trigger is cracked. Will it be safe to take Apart like you have in this video except I don't know what it's gonna happen if it's caught and it just goes off. Any help would be grate??

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi Thomas. you cant pull it apart when cocked with pressure on the sear. with out personally seeing one in person I would think you could set it back up so the bear trap safety is on. then keep your hand on the cocking leaver as its also pulled back and pick the pellet out of the breech port first./ who cares if it later if it dry fires at least it would be safe as long as your hand or fingers are out of the way. onec the pellet is out and your set up safe release the bear trap. then the rest is on you taking the stock off etc. tripping the sear tru the round window. Once thats been fired go to hatsan usa click the airgun then when on the airgun sight click the contact us tab then click on general Inquires tab / then ask them for the trigger for your model & include the serial number should be around 35.00 most likely will be the same quatro trigger from all the other quattro's

[@jake4194]

Can I send my 130s to you for a tune up and 150bar fill on the gas ram?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Yes Contact me at [e-mail]

[@Hippoteetomus]

Trying to get an old 135qe to work again, cannot find a piston and doubtful on the piston seal companies that are charging $30 for one.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

I rebuild those properly go to my channel read at the top where it says ( Sharing my passion for air guns, work done ,mods, re barreling, lathe work etc. >. click that arrow symbol it will open up more info to reach me email me !!

[@MrSteppingstone888]

also if you go with a different ram you would need a end plug from a springer and two adapters I make so its best just to have me rebuild your ram properly and be done with the thing having problems

[@LostBeetle]

Oh, another thing, do you know if there is a way to order barrels for the 125? I found one on some bulgarian site, not even sure if they ship to the US. They charge about 90 bucks prior to shipping. I have a .177 and I'd like to convert to either .22 or .25. When I get in there to change the piston seal it would be cool to swap barrels as well.

[@sparta2v]

Don't buy at Arms.bg , they are frauds, once you paid you will never hear of them again or receive the goods...

[@stevehansel5080]

I have two model 95 and would like to tame them down so I can shoot them more accurately. Would the easiest fix simply shortening the spring about an inch? Thank you for your comment and for doing these video's they are very helpful.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Steve Hansel Hi Steve. All hatsan magnums big & medium are completely over sprung, and the spring steel its self is not worth having in a full tuned rifle if you want the best The Ideal thing to do, is measure the spring thickness & length with your digital calipers harbor freight has them . Contact Tom from Vorteck Products .com and ask him if he could make you a smoother more docile spirng for it like he did for his rws 350. . He makes a docile spring for the rws 350 rifles that makes it cock buttery smooth and easy and feels like silk that transforms the rifles shot cycle./ so their is no reason why you cant have the same for your 95 Cutting a spring! you have to be careful cutting a spring , because after it is cut, it will get even smaller when you heat the end to fold it flat. after heating it, and pushing the coil flat, let cool,and dremel " part" of the end coil so it is flatter to match the other side of coil & wont catch anything on its outside or inside. Careful not to dremel it to thin 1/2 is good Heating it up! "Dont get it cherry red , get it hot enough so it will fold back when you push it down If you send me the spring when its done I can make the delrin top hat & spring guide for it/ the top hat thickness will add a bit of pre load because it is about , 3/16" thick the custom fit guide & top hat will make a big difference. but still the original spring is to over sprung and needs to go. I Charge 45.00 shipped back for the custom made spring guide top hats and some wafers for pre loading if need be. Mike

[@stevehansel5080]

Mike Ellingsworth** Mr Stepping Stone*** Mike, thank you for your reply. Once I get some spare time I will look into this and perhaps send you what I have to have a custom guide made for it. At this point I would just like the rifle to shoot consitently and feel like it needs to be tamed down to do that. I have two hatsan Model 95/ .22 .25 and both simply jump way too much . If they tame down to 6oo feet oer sec. I would be happy. Steve

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Steve HanselSteve Hansel Sounds good, good luck with your project. Mike

[@brucebruce2805]

Man I'm took apart my airtact .177 trigger and can't get it right any advice or site that shows the inner workings of the trigger

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi Bruce I am not familiar with that non quattro trigger , you will have to look for a video on it ! Now on a quattro trigger you have to have the trigger set and ready to fire before dropping it back into the welded trigger bracket and using a smaller sear pin to clear that bracket/once its back and all the large pins are installed then you fire it. other wise it wont cock and engage with the piston

[@sawtoothscream1521]

Need to tune mine bad, brutal recoil, trigger issues, destroys scopes like nothing and the forearm screw that goes through the stock is bent badly, how idk but I need to find a new one. Regret this purchase alot but hope to make it usable eventually, will have to order the XL ram give that a go.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hatsan usa should have the stock bolt kit. it won't be on the list you need to fill out the customer service form with the info they ask they will get back to you with the cost if they do have one, I bought them before. clean the bore and see what the pellet to bore fit is like if the barrel is oversized and pellet basicly falls thru most of the way it will cause harder recoil and blow your scope

[@Bigbopperairguns]

Is there a way to make it fire without taking it apart

[@Bigbopperairguns]

What trigger should I use?

[@steffdemoff1558]

thanks a lot bro!Good info,good explained!

[@justliketolook]

Mike at 22 minutes into the video where your going through the lock up and the lock up screw, does the lock up screw squeeze and puts pressure on the barrel to keep the barrel from moving right and left only ? What part of the gun keeps the barrel from closing to far and keeps the barrel from making contact with the receiver? Can you give me a time in the video that shows the part that stops the barrel from contacting the receiver when the barrel is in the closed position ? If there is a part the keeps the barrel from contacting the receiver can it be adjusted ? My barrel is touching the receiver . I thought when the barrel was closed the only contact was on the seal and that the metal on the barrel above the seal should have a small space and not be touching the receiver. I had to move the seal so it sticks out 2 mm to keep the barrel from contacting the receiver and after a few shots I could see it was causing damage to the seal .If a break barrel gun is made correctly and you take the o-ring out will the barrel continue to close until it has metal to metal contact or is there a stop somewhere that prevents the barrel from moving to far up and makes contact ? How does that all work ?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

+justliketolook the closed barrel block is very close , but each rifle model will look different, some with more of a gap, others with no gap, if you have metal to metal rubbing then that's wrong but if its super close but fine then thats ok its supposed to be a tight tolerance yet still clear & close not hit each other. the barrel bolt tightens up the receiver forks against the block making it either easy to break the barrel open or firm to break the barrel open that is the only adjustment! that bolt and the entire design keeps things exactly where they need to be, theirs no other adjustment ! the block stops when the catch is just on the other side of the Jam that has the small sping Mike

[@justliketolook]

+Mike Ellingsworth** Mr Stepping Stone*** Okay so the block stops when the catch is just on the other side of the Jam that has the small sping. Does that mean if I cut back the metal above the o ring where its contacting metal to metal at some point the barrel will stop having metal to metal contact even if I remove the o-ring the barrel will at some point stop and not close any farther . I removed the shim from behind the o-ring and did the tissue test the o-ring looks flush but the o-ring is working and passed the tissue test . So if the o-ring looks flush but still passes the tissue test but still have metal to metal contact ,I shouldn't have to relieve the metal very much to have a space right ?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

+justliketolook Its very hard to guide you when I am not there seeing it. If you have metal to metal contact and you can not return the rifle to the store for a replacement or refund, then yes the next step would be to try to remove some metal so it dose not hit each other, then adjust the seal you can sand the hatsan seals down at the bottom side if you take your time and do it evenly don't forget to put some patches in the breech so tthe metal dust does not get inside then run the cleaning patches out tru the breech then try some more patches from barrel end and back out thru the breech little goo gone should help clean it up

[@vic_0315]

Hi Mike I’m looking to get the 125 .25 cal and hesitating between the springer and the vortex(gas ram)... I am aware that the air pressure is adjustable on the 125/135 vortex, but I don’t have a PCP pump and am not looking spend extra money on that, so that feather isn’t any attractive to me. The only thing I like about the vortex is that I’ve heard that it’s easier to shoot accurately than a springer, but I have read some complaints on different forums that the Hatsan vortex occasionally have leaking problems and so on... So I’m currently leaning more towards the springer, because even I like the accuracy advantage from the vortex but the troubles with the vortex does scare me. So from the standpoint of being more durable and hustle-free, and with minimum fine tuning right out of the box, which one would you say is the winner, the springer or vortex?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi Vic stick with the springier, other wise you be buying the pump & adapter etc as the vortek rams fail a lot when you get it clean the bore with goo gone and patches real good, If you can, check the bore to pellet fit by ''slowly'' pushing the pellet thru the bore from the breech down feeling if it is loose or tight or have slight drag or loose , free fall etc.. that will tell you whats going on in the bore, hopefully the pellet will have some drag and not loose going thru normally you will have tight area then a tad bit of drag, if the bore is way over size and mostly the pellet falls thru with no drag I would return it and get another

[@vic_0315]

Mike Ellingsworth** Mr Stepping Stone*** Thanks a lot for the reply and the valuable tip! Will definitely clean and check the bore now, yeah an oversized bore certainly won’t do any good... Btw, how many rounds would you say it’d take to have one of these thoroughly broken in? And do you wanna use heavier or lighter pellets when breaking in or it doesn’t matter?

[@ghostlt9763]

hello Mike i hawe gamo shadow 640 planing o tune it wih gamo igt gas ram 29 joule . can you telll more ifo about that becouse i cant find any info thank you

[@MrSteppingstone888]

I don't know what info you were hoping to get but here is a video I did on the gamo magnum hope it helps. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGLYoXyNo92Witk

[@susanmarie4257]

I totally love your video's' I have a hatsan 125 th I tuned it about two months ago 'it gets 1325 fps AVG. so I had an extra spring laying around 'I bought a ruger black hawk elite 'refurbished ' I decided to see just how much power I could get out of it I only had about $45 in it so if I messed it up it really didn't matter 'I striped it down 'cleaned it out 'used my dermal and polished the receiver 'then I made my own lube I used super tech grease 'melted it with a torch then I added a little STP oil treatment and mixed it up real good 'I used the old spring from the hatsan 125 I measured 'and cut I counted the turns 28 turns was perfect 'then I reassembled it 'now it takes about 45 to 50 lbs to cock it 'and it shoots just like the hatsan its getting on an average of 1280 fps with 7.9 g pellets '' I know people think im weird because I like gun's 'but I don't care ' I love fixing them 'and making them shot better '.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

there is lots to learn and that takes time, you go thru different stages, the hands on is another addicting part of airguns. feet per second or fps usually means the accuracy suffers and the scopes wont' last eventually the ideal is to have a more balanced shot cycle and good accuracy , the weihrauch guns are designed with that in mind, the hatsan are made not designed lol they are made for brute force and have a unbalanced shot cycle with a piston slamming all to get power. everyone loves that in the beginning until they graduate into the next level of air guns. then they realize there is more to a airgun then just power / then they say hhmm what can I do to smooth this shot cycle and make it shoot sweet. even my videos were a start now I have better microphone and feel easier about making them. if you need some help down the air gun road feel free I like the fact that you enjoy working your guns . one thing though if lube gets into the air chamber in properly then in the barrel the fps will be false and caused by the lubricant so everything needs to be done properly. when I lube the receivers air chamber area I will slid the piston back to check the face of the seal wipe it then slid it down and back several times to make sure it comes back with no excess then I'll pull it, look at the bottom of the tube use a paper towel wrapped on a wood dowel fold the end over and tape the towel in two spots to keep it tight on the dowel then reach to the bottom and wipe off any potential excess pull the dowel and if its messy Ill make up another clean end and do it again. once thats good Ill put the piston back then finish lubing the rest of the receiver behind the piston and then you need to be careful because that excess can migrate into the front of the piston if you over do it, also before any of that you should sand and ream the back rear of the tube to remove all the edges from the trigger slot & scope welds etc ream the crap out of it, but never the cocking shoe slot do that carefully and never over do it or the cocking arm will rattle because the soft steel was taken down / there are air gun gurus but Iam not one of them lol this is all basic air gun knowledge developed over time. and it takes time and money to find things out lol oh and hey if you ruin something dont swet it that is part of the cost for learning :)

[@susanmarie4257]

so agreed 'but I took into account the turbulence that follows the pellet from breaking the sound barrier ' but in the short distance I shoot 35/40 yards the pellet has already reached it target 'and it's dead accurate' I can hit the bottom of a soda can at 40 yards every time ' I have a 3/9/40 scope meant just for magnum air guns

[@MrSteppingstone888]

sounds good and with magnums that kind of accuracy is good, I meant the accuracy in tight groups like quarter or nickel or dime size at 40 yds or better the weihrauch tuned just rite get really tight groups/ i just bought a hw 97K the seller gets good rifles and he said 1/4" groups at 40 yds in 177 cal at that the problem will be the shooter like me LOL

[@susanmarie4257]

lol ok 'buti don't think your a bad shot 'in my case' my marksmen ship meant the difference between putting food on the table or not 'I was raised in the mountains of Tennessee 28 miles from the nearest paved road 'I can hit a squirrel at 50+ yards 'if I miss my kids could go hungry 'so I never miss

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Wow thats no joke , How are things today are you in a more populated area and working at hopefully a decent job.

[@airgunnersedge4061]

hey Mike do you know were you can get a replacement set screw and breach screw for the 125, a friend is in need of both... Thank you and keep the great videos coming !!!!!

[@MrSteppingstone888]

yes Go to hatsan usa hatsanusa.com/ Click on the contact us tab then click the customer service form and fill it out and email them and they will get back to you with a price and proably send you a invoice from pay pal for payment for the parts. make sure you are detailed in telling them what bolt or screw you need. set screw? I can guess but really not sure which one you mean so be clear and describe where and what you need

[@airgunnersedge4061]

Mike Ellingsworth** Mr Stepping Stone*** thank you, pivot bolt and set screw

[@MrSteppingstone888]

breech block pivot bolt and small set screw on breech block next to pivot bolt will tell them they are not so brite over there

[@DarkF516]

brother do you recommend the hatsan .22 or do you think the .25 is better? I like the 950fps of the .22, but I don't know exactly why most prefer the .25, good video 👍, I hope you can help me

[@MrSteppingstone888]

If your full power in your country it would be the .25 it bore size suits the gun better helping smooth its shot cycle and there's a better chance you would get a good barrel in .25 but obviously not all the time I had several bad .25 barrels

[@DarkF516]

@@MrSteppingstone888 Thanks for the answer, I'll try to get a Hatsan .25, I live in Mexico and getting a Hatsan is difficult, here they usually sell them for $550 or more, in addition to their low availability, I'll try to find a .25, but if I can't find the .25 I'll have to go for the .22 that I already have in sight, sorry if I don't speak English well, you made a good video👌

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@DarkF516 Try and get one with a full length barrel -17" Those QE moderator guns have a short 10-1/2" barrel

[@mikewest1336]

Hi Mike, You hit it right on the head. I won't throw any money at this 95 until I can get it to group in stock form. Thus far, I'm not pleased with the Hatsan, and not buying their hype. I think Hatsan has their people writing these glowing reviews. Real buyers are exposing them for what they are. Paper-plate size groups at 35 yards will cause me to rant, and even motivate me to start a "I hate Hatsan" fan club, complete with a web site. But, being a bit OCD in my efforts to make bad guns better, I attempted to check my barrel. I'm not sure how to judge the results. The 14.3 grain Crosman pellets (.22) were super tight, and left deep scratches in the pellets. It really took effort to push them through. In contrast, the Crow mags, Kodiaks and Diablos slipped right through with almost no drag. I suspect it has more to do with the pellet's head size. Regardless, the rifle shoots like crap. I'm going to try it again before I call it off. I have a warranty exchange in bound from Hawke (Airmax EV 4-12x50). The scope is going back on a 34, but not until the Hatsan has another chance perform. Thanks again.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

+Tyler Durden Looks like you were lucky to get a good one, I can assure you for every good one their are at least 4 bad ones, hatsan horror stories have been going on not only for a long long time but in the Uk before the U S even had them. In the U S even after they address some barrel issues and seem to up the Q C they still come out with issues and bad barrels, its ridiculesthat's why I made videos to hopefully shed some light on these powerful hatsans

[@KhataarFelMataar]

Hello sir I have a question regarding the safety plate, the end part that has a curve in order to grab the safety trigger(?) broke off. So I can cock the gun but not get the safety off in order to shoot. What I did is totally remove the safety plate and the Y part that blocks the trigger. Now I can shoot fine but there is no safety on it. I searched the internet but I can not find this part, would you have any idea on how to fix this?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

KhataarFelMataar You can call umarex then ask them to email you the PDF file for the Walter talon break barrel, its is made by hatsan & has the same components as the hatsan 125 / the safety should also be the same for the Hatsan 135 they will email you the PDF file, then you can veiw the PDF parts file and get the number & name of the part then call back umarex usa and order the part

[@KhataarFelMataar]

Mike Ellingsworth** Mr Stepping Stone*** Awesome thanks for your very good and quick answer! I am glad you created this channel. I learned quite alot from your videos. Keep it up and I hope you will get more views/subscribers!

[@susanmarie4257]

may I ask is there any difference between the hatsan 125 and 135 ? or are they the same ?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi Susan the 135 ihas bigger 30mm receiver and is little more feet per second than the 125, lets say a 125 get 920 fps in a .22- 14.3 grain pellet and a 135 may get 950 fps give or take a persons altitude and those are rough guess estimates/ its been a while since I looked over the crony numbers. 135 is heavier and big and the 125 is little less heavier but still big. I do not recommend them unless you are able to do your own work on them or know some one who can do it for you. the pistons seal are undersized and tend to burn up etc.. they could use a replacement spring and piston seal from vorteck etc. inc the barrels tend to come out with over sized bores its about 50/50 chance of you getting a good barrel ho hum or bad barrel

[@brettbillesbach2846]

You obviously know what you're talking about, I on the other hand do not. I am about to buy my first break barrel and would like to be confident I bought a good rifle, except I don't know what a good rifle is and my hands are horribly damaged so I can't do almost anything to work on one. Would you please recommend a hopefully large caliber gun for me that I can show off to my grown younger brother?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

the newer 135 qe are heavier due to the adjustable butt pad & cheek rest that leaves the sniper in synthetic stocks or basic 125 model both the same just the stock is different & hand brake is different. .25 cal is the ticket with these powerful guns also helps the shot cycle but honestly they all need a good going thru and I now have proper custom seals made special for me for these guns and I also go thru everything trigger, breech seal you name it & I install a bearing ring for the rear of the piston & rebuild the gas ram if its a vorteck ram Highly recommend because they will fail if not rebuilt heres my email [e-mail] if you want to discuss cost etc.. Than you

[@airpower7692]

Wonder if hatsan .30 cal 130s trigger is the same design

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Yes if it says quattro trigger it is the same . pcp rifles with quattro may have a slightly different set up ( may) ?

[@airpower7692]

@@MrSteppingstone888 ok thanks, yeah this is the .30 cal break barrel model 130s

[@justliketolook]

Mike ,on my new sniper 125 hatsan 22 cal I did the tissue test and its good . but my barrel is pointing up and my pellets down range is going above the scope height at 10 yards its up around the 4th mildot . So I leveled the gun on the spring part and when I put the level on the barrel it was pointing up . So I looked at the barrel above the oring and there is metal to metal contact and I can now see metal showing from where the contact is made . On my rws I can run a thin film sheet between the metal and metal where they meet when closed . Should I be getting metal to metal contact and should the barrel be pointing up . If not How do I correct it ? If it past the tissue test should I get a thicker o ring or but some floss behind it to make the metal just out of contact and to level out the barrel ? Is my lock up not set right ? Is the o ring what decides the amount it closes.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

+justliketolook see how much your seal is above the block, you can have a seal passing that tissue test not blowing it apart, but still needs to come out more to help stabilize the block when the rifle is fired. " Yes , I would try the wider wax ribbon type dental floss and raise the seal up some and see if the the block to receiver area looks better . its trial and error " too much seal above the block will cause a P. O. I. shift so if that happens the seal is to high. how is the spring jam does it seam to be strong, they usually are, and have a hefty spring. let me know how you make out. if the dental floss work and the barrel is still going high, we just adjust the barrel by bending it, but first you need to fix the block touching the receiver. here is my email drop me a email and I'll send you a picture of a barrel bender you can make if you ever need to bend a barrel from droop to what ever [e-mail] Mike

[@justliketolook]

I just took out the seal and added a few layers to raise up the seal even with it raised up the barrel is touching the piston side above the hole . I thought by moving the oring out more it would cause the poi to be lower than it was but it raised the pellet even more .and its still hitting metal to metal should the barrel be touching the piston side when its closed , yes the spring is still strong its a new gun with about 400 shots through but it has been shooting high from the beginning and I just noticed the metal showing through above the oring seal .

[@justliketolook]

+Mike Ellingsworth** Mr Stepping Stone*** I sent you a email

[@foxbow90]

do you notice any difference in accuracy between the gas or spring version ?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

There are many factors that come into play that will cause theese powerful hatsans to not be so accurate, the main one is the Barrel, if you get a good one its a start, then there is the proper beech seal and lock up. factory seals get tossed for a new better fitting one and the trigger needs to be cleaned up and adjusted nicely and factory spring guides do not do much so they should be made to fit yet a better after market spring. but aside from all that I have not shot the vorteck ram I do know they are a little less power then crosman rams and may be smoother at the end of the firing cycle because of it. the one vorteck ram gun I had I took apart the ram and did a video on it thees rifles are over built and have big piston slam I would think the vorteck gas ram from hatsan would be a little better then the raw full piston slamming spring that will break eventually if you shoot it a lot. I hope that helps Mike

[@BigEdd420]

I need to take apart my Hatsan 87. Is it the same proses? Thanks for the great videos. Im also a plumber.😊

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Yes the 87 has the same safety set up and quattro trigger/ later if you have trouble getting the stock back on, you can pull the trigger guard off so you can see the trigger pins better so they clear the stock./ Ed what state are you living in, just plumber curious lol

[@BigEdd420]

@@MrSteppingstone888 The great state of Massachusetts. I was in local 12 for enough time to get the minimum retirement. Thanks so much for your time and information.

[@BigEdd420]

That would be the Boston plumbers union.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@BigEdd420 I am retired living in Montana now but I grew up and did most of my plumbing in Philadelphia. Plumbing worn me out by the time I retired at 63 yrs old, I am still trying to recover from the years of major abuse lol

[@adriedemaesschalck7362]

Hi Mike, i have a 125 5.5mm and my barrel goes a bit to far when i coking it, so the barrels front is approx. 2-3mm higher. the gap between barrel and gasoutput, do you have a answer that i can do?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi Adrie. I have to see it to fully understand what exactly you mean. but it sounds like your rifle is defective if its not made properly

[@adriedemaesschalck7362]

Thanks for the fast answer, but i took the rifle apart and the barrel, it is about 2-3 mm out of line, out center when it enter the block, so i think the only thing i can do is it send it back for another rifle/barrel. Thanks for the good expainations on your youtube site, learnt allready alot from them. Best Regards, Adrie

[@MrSteppingstone888]

When you get the new one clean the barrel and check the pellet to bore fit, see if it is a good barrel or bad one, you may need to send that one back also. theres avideo on checking the bore I think it was the two walter falcon hunters opr the turkish tomahawks Take care Mike

[@adriedemaesschalck7362]

thanks for the tips, the rifle is now with the factory and hopefully its repaired now

[@johnconnor4594]

Very informative video.. Thanks

[@Viktory2k1]

Hello Mike. Great video. Not sure if I missed it but does the 125 and 135 use the same gas ram? I have a 125th that had many issues with the stock cracking near the receiver. I sent it back many times and the last time, they put the gas spring in it due to all my problems, for free. Just wondering if it is the same as the 135 gas ram. Thanks for the great videos!

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi Vic Yes they use the same gas ram but to use the gas ram you need the end plug that comes with a vortex model gun Also I rebuild the gas ram properly they usually fail just a matter of time / let me know if yours fail

[@Viktory2k1]

@@MrSteppingstone888 Thank you, I will do a chrony test normal and dieseling. I will post the results.

[@Viktory2k1]

@@MrSteppingstone888 I would also like to say that, with the right method, anyone can cock these, I lost alot of weight and I can still do it but I just 3 weeks ago, had shoulder surgery so I have to cock it a bit differently.

[@Viktory2k1]

Ok, I am upset.I couldn't even hit 400 fps with 14.3gr pellets and was super easy to cock, some shots, the pellet wouldn't even make it out of the barrel so I think the gas ram deflated. Maybe fix-a-flat? lol. I am going to call them....

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@Viktory2k1 Vic even if hatsan give you another gas ram it still going to fail and often they make you pay for shipping cost. are you able to work on your gun to send the gas ram here. or send the gun and have me go thru it , my info. [e-mail]

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Your welcome ! Thanks for letting me know.

[@georgemillington2898]

ABSOLUTE TUNING for the HATSAN 125, 135 air rifle.This is the most powerful tuning kit that you can physically fit into this model!A set with two springsWith this set your air gun will reach Vo 400 m / s for 0.42g shotsThis energy can only be achieved with two independent springs.Power increase by 60% compared to one 3.6mm spring!!!A double spring fills the entire piston chamber, which is a solution that despite being expensive was used in the 80's in the best Olympic air rifles, i.e. DIANA 75

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@Rory Anakin I will check that out / Thank you Mike E.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@Tucker Abdullah copy & paste and send me the link so I can be sure I am looking at what your talking about

[@ahmondeboxley2950]

Hi mike I wanna ask you question does the 135 has more power than the 125 I like your videos

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Yes a little more I just do not remember, I like the 135 because of the wood stock

[@kontraformalan9942]

I loved your video so much that even if i dont have that gun i still watched it till the end. I just have one question. I know this video is from 4 years ago, but does this mean that diana has better build quality? Considering that its 2019 today and hatsan has improved, almost every gun has a gas ram but i dont know about the build quality. Would u still recomend diana or hatsan? Im stuck between those two...I see alot of videos bragging hatsan 125 and 135, and no one mentioned having problems that u spoke of 4 years ago.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi Milo hatsan goes back & forth with quality control mostly its bad . the steel is not german steel its junk steel especially the barrels. they are ok if you can do your own work but too risky to buy one without doing any upgrades to the gun-- stick with weihrauch or your Dianna guns but all air guns can use a going over / factory goes so far and then they stop when its functional, and there have been periods when diana's came out dry not enough lube . Its a pain but thats our airgun history it is what it is.

[@kontraformalan9942]

@@MrSteppingstone888 Thanks for replying! I was at the store today and diana definitely has a better build quality. So i will go for Dianas AR8 model. Thanks for the help anyway!

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@kontraformalan9942 pyramyd air has some refurbished AR8 , I just bought a refurb diana 460 yesterday I like the wood stock and its not heavy. Its good to read the reviews to see if there's any complaints before buying

[@kontraformalan9942]

@@MrSteppingstone888 Wow, nice! But i dont think they ship to my country, still reviews can help anyway. Thanks alot!

[@susanmarie4257]

are the 125 and 135 actually the same rifle with a different stock? 'I mean are the inside parts the same size?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Yes the pistons are the same , only difference is the piston seal is wider to fit the larger diameter receiver of the 135. barrels blocks are the same , trigger block assemblies, cocking arm, which is understandable because hatsan can same money keeping the same tooling to machine parts

[@susanmarie4257]

oh kewl 'I ordered a new 130s QE .30 cal so I can get a tune kit if I want

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@susanmarie4257 Marrie I think the piston on the 135 is little heavier by couple of oz's sorry its been a while

[@f3k940]

i have a hatsan mod 125 spring piston not vortex version ....can i change my hatsan spring piston to a gas piston ?

[@ontheflipsideedc]

100lek you don't want to. the gas pistons are garbage.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Yes you can You can go on line to crosmans website and get the part & order number for Benjamin Trail NP XL gas ram , it will still have piston slam, you will lose 50fps over the spring thats typical when going from a spring to a ram. A lot of guys like the vorteck springs but you need to make a proper spring guide. I would try both and see what you like

[@fbi2273]

Hello friend you could me how size in centimeters has the spring

[@MrSteppingstone888]

hI. Sorry I can not / but if it helps here is Vortek he has size listed with the springs the 135 is longer than the 125 vortekproducts.com/ourstore/index.php?route=product/product&path=64_67&product_id=256

[@Mtmanhunter]

Hello Mike I may need to have some work done to a hatsan 125 sniper vortex in 22 cal. How may I get in contact with you?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi here's my info [e-mail]

[@MrSteppingstone888]

I replied to this and have not heard from you. [e-mail]

[@ConditionZero76]

why the XL gas ram & not the Vortex Ram like the 125 sniper has in it?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

the vortex ram is for factory hatsan rammed rifles as part of the end cap is attached to it. the xl ram can be used for regular springers with regular full size end caps

[@ConditionZero76]

@@MrSteppingstone888 Oh ok I understand now that make sense Thank you

[@andygass5514]

Hatsan Dominator 200S .22cal Mike and subscribers- What Hatsan dealer do you suggest? I would use the Hatsan dealer for repair during the one year warranty. BTW after much study it appears the 200W, wood stock, would be quieter. However, the wood stock is not sold in the USA because Hatsan has a deal with Winchester. Andy

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Air gun depot or pryamyd air, who ever has the best price or is the closest. for hatsan warranty I think you go to hatsan USA the vendor you buy from, will only have a policy for short term return like 30 days they dont do any repairs

[@randomcuriosities8441]

About to purchase either the 130s or 135. Do you have a preference? Can I ship it to you for adjustments/ mods etc.?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

I prefer wood over synthetic the 135 model but the older version with the longer barrel. I can go over the rifles clean out the factory lube and molly burnish the receiver , go over the trigger and adjust it etc, may as well leave the factory picton seal because the USA aftermarket piston seal dont seem to fair well anymore, what ever rifle you get you'll need to make sure the barrel is good before sending it out

[@randomcuriosities8441]

Hey there Mr. Ellingsworth. Went synthetic 130s. It came in yesterday. Shoots great. After the new year I'd like to get it to you for tuning, polishing etc. Can you Email me some options and prices.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@randomcuriosities8441 my email is [e-mail] we can contact from there

[@mikewest1336]

Great Videos Mike. I learn something from each one. How similar are these 125/135 as compared to the 95? I'm still wanting to open up my 95 (Spring gun) to clean out the unknown factory oil (?) and do a proper lube, etc. My 95 is a really nice looking gun, but it just sits there on my rack. I ignore it now, because after a tin of pellets, it still smokes like an old tractor, and accuracy is really poor. But, for $111.00 delivered to my door, I had to see what it was about. Thanks again, and I'll watch (wait) for a video on how to open them up. Thanks again.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi Mike. I am waiting on a hatsan 95 piston seal should be here this week and I'll do a quick vid on getting into the 95, the safty is diferent its easier then the 125 & 135 the safety button has a detent ball riding on it with a small spring. Hatsan magnums definitly need the complete over haul

[@mikewest1336]

Mike Ellingsworth** Mr Stepping Stone*** Looking forward to the video! I'm interested in the new piston seal as well, where you obtained it from, and how you fit it. Also, if you don't mind, could you also touch on the option of installing/upgrading to a Gas-Ram or Vortex type system? I have no experience with Gas-Rams, but it sounds interesting. Considering that semi-drop in kits for the 95 are still not being offered by JM or Vortex. I'm sure that current spring tunes on the 95 are pieced and fitted, but in your experience: is the gas-ram a better way to go? Considering the cost and trouble of obtaining a properly fitted spring, spring guides, top-hats, etc., not to mention the moly, tar,....etc...etc. ....a gas ram starts looking good. Thanks again.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Mike West you will still need molly for the cross hatching, and the cheap 9.00 small break hone from harbour freight and a extension to install it in to reach down the receiver I'll do a video showing how to convert to a gas ram on the 95, I make the adapters for both ends they cost 23.00 shipped/ since I have the seal coming l will toss that in the video also. air rifle head quarters sells the piston seal for the hatsan 125 & 135 & 95 but you will want to check your barrels bore to see what is going on inside so look at the pt 2 of the 125 & 135 more info vids

[@mikewest1336]

Hi Mike, Good to know you make the adapters, but which gas-ram do you use, and where do you get it from? I know that JM/ARH has the seals, but I was thinking they were over-sized & needed to be turned down? As far as cross-hatching, I'll look into the brake hone. In the past, I've use 400 grit & wood dowl. Not the best method to be sure, but I understand the purpose of the cross-hatch is similar to a primer, in that you want to feather the edge of the steel so the moly can stick & stay? Now, the bore swag you do is interesting, but I'm not completely sure what my results mean. For example, my bore is seriously Jumpy-tight using Crosman Premiers. It was a fight to get them through the barrel, and they are deeply scratched when they exit. In contrast, Diabolo 18.13 went through with almost no drag, and no choke drag at all. Crow Magnums felt just right. Kind of like the story of the three (3) bears and their oatmeal. I'm left thinking that the test results are more a matter of pellet head size, but truthfully I've never performed the test on my German guns. Shooting makes no difference because my 95 performs badly with everything. Still, I'm left thinking that the rifle will perform if I can get the factory grease out, tighten the spring or ram, and perhaps cut the power 10% +/-. I'm thinking that the 95's power will fit somewhere between my RWS 34 and my 350, but the 95 has less weight & lenght as compared to the 350. That makes the project worth the effort. Thanks again.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi Mike I posted another two part video should give you the info you need. you mention piston seals from JM being over sized ? No the factory seals are undersized and jm make them correct. in the video it talks about what ram to use and even how to install a seal/ but go back to the others for more details you will; need your gonna ned a spring compressor but 1st ck your barrel to see what its doing inside/ no sense going thru al this only to have a bad barrel.

[@chapiit08]

Hey Mike, thank you for the videos on how to work on these awesome rifles. My question is; since I own an older Hatsan Mod. 135 in .22 caliber, without the Quattro trigger, how many shots can I expect from my rifle before the spring needs to be replaced? I live in Patagonia, Argentina, at the very end of the World, and was wondering who might care to ship internationally a replacement spring, seal, etc. since it cannot be found here in my country. I really love my Hatsan and look forward to buy a lighter model, perhaps a 95 or a 99 just for the sake of it. I never expected such accuracy and power, which rivals and sometimes exceeds that of any of my German made rifles (RWS 34, 48, 350 Magnum) I recently killed a hare at about 70 metres with a single head shot from this beast. I would like, if and when the gun needs to be rebuild, to get the same power I'm obtaining from stock. Thank you again and keep up the good work! And yes, I subscribed!

[@MrSteppingstone888]

+chapiit08 Hi No telling but the spring in those hatsan magnums have been reported to break after a while. I just got in three vorteck springs now the steel on them are a lot better but I do not know what range of power they will give the rifles, mine are the hatsan `125 my guess is a pretty much the same. I could ship you the parts and even make a custom delrin spring guide and delrin top hat when tyhe time comes. I charge 45.00 for making custom fitted delrin spring guide and top hat. so you would need to pay for shipping and the parts and my custom guide if you want the custom fitted guide . vorteck spring cost 19.80 plus shipping cost to me her is a link vortekproducts.com/ourstore/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=256

[@chapiit08]

Hello, thank you for the reply. I will keep it in mind and as soon as I get a chance I will disassemble my rifle and a friend's 125 to compare the springs, but like you said, they are probably the same, although I noticed a slight difference in power between the two models, the 135 being a little bit hotter. Perhaps it's nothing but my perception as I don't own a Crony or similar apparatus, although the penetration on various materials tell the difference in power. To me it's important as I use my rifle for hunting small game at rather long distances for an air rifle (hares are unapproachable here) Regards, Carlo.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

+chapiit08 I found the springs the same except usally the lengths were never the same in any hatsan 125 or 135. the 135 probably is more power maybe 20 fps more ( guessing ) but I also had some 125 dishing out 950 fps and thats amazing most 125 at my high elevation were around 930 fps in .22 cant remember what the 135 was

[@chapiit08]

There you go. Then I will go for the Vertex spring some time soon. Thanks

[@MrSteppingstone888]

+chapiit08 When I get a vorteck spring installed for the hatsan 125 I will know for sure what the fps are. it will be my 1st but a friend of mine uses vorteck springs in his 135 .25 cal and he says it has very good power sounds very promising

[@ivanborrero2966]

Hola Mike. Excelente video y explicación . Tengo un rifle Hatsan 95 .22cal . desde hace como 3años . Nunca he tenido ningún problema con el. En estos días lo fui a usar y cuando lo voy a cargar el cañón baja solo, no tengo que hacer fuerza para comprimir el sprin , por lo tanto no lo puedo cargar. Si aprieto el gatillo se escucha y se siente que funciona pero el rifle no se puede cargar ni disparar. Como podría enviártelo para darle un tune up y corregirle el problema. Creo que con tus videos podría enviarte el rifle sin la culata . ¿ Saldría muy costosa la reparación y envio ? O por el contrario salgo mejor comprando otro nuevo. No se por qué le pasó eso . Lo cuido bien y lo limpio y guardo en su estuche luego de utilizarlo. Espero por tu contestación . Gracias. Iván Borrero . Ponce , Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 USA 🇺🇸 .

[@MrSteppingstone888]

I used google translator to read your post. If the screw closet to the barrel has been adjusted in to far it wont cock, if you adjusted the trigger un screw the screw closet to the barrel one 1/4 turn and try cocking it, if still wont cock unscrew it another 1/4 turn and try it again. If that is not the problem then it would not be worth sending it

[@ivanborrero2966]

Hola Mike. Soy yo otra vez . Yo no he ajustado los tornillos del gatillo pero los voy a aflojar como me dices 1/4 y trataré a ver si al doblar el cañón para comprimir el resorte lo hace correctamente o sigue suelto pues no se siente que esté comprimiendo nada. No tendrás algún video donde aparezca cómo lograr que se pueda volver a comprimir el sprin? . Gracias por tu ayuda y Dios te bendiga y te de mucha salud para que puedas seguir haciendo lo que te gusta y a la vez ayudándonos a los amantes de los rifles de aire ( break barrel). Iván Borrero. Ponce, Puerto Rico 🇵🇷 USA 🇺🇸 🙋🏻‍♂️

[@ivanborrero2966]

Hola Mike: Me podrías orientar de cómo puedo hacer para hacerte llegar el rifle para que tú lo trabajes? Gracias por tu ayuda. Iván Borrero. [e-mail].

[@Laserwurks]

I have a Hatsan 135 .22 RMA 4 times Vortex ram failures 4 times or 5 in less that two years. The spring lasted 4000 shots from Feburary 30th to Oct 2013. Vortex ram upgrade was done at that time. Then three times after that time it was sent back and replaced. $488.000+- spent just on freight and upgrade sofar still no dependable gun here. Hatsan USA did all the upgrades and down grades. they now want me to pay for all frieght and repairs. who are they kidding. Yes I love shooting it when it was right...... I be think on doing it my self with a holland kit 370 m/s double steel springs a Votex is poor quality ram.................

[@MrSteppingstone888]

usasolarwindinc That's horrible, and why I make thees videos, that's a disgrace, absolute disgrace. I dont know what the holland kit 370 m/s double steel springs is you mentioned. but in my hatsan 125 I will be installing the vorteck spring from vorteck products and will be slightly detune , if needed to to smooth the shot cycle out. If I was to use a gas ram it would be the crosman XL gas ram costing about 32.00 shipped. BUT be careful because the hatsan vorteck ram is longer and to drop in a xl gas ram will take some re setting up to shift the xl ram in its proper place. To date I have not gone thru it to see whats the in's and outs, or issues it could have in doing the change. Its different if you had a 125 or 135 hatsan springer and wanted to gas ram it compared to re raming a hatsan vorteck rifle with another gas ram. the hatsan vorteck ram is the same name as vorteck products they are two different companies.. Can I help you with anything ? Personally Iam going with the vorteck spring, and my custom delrin fitted spring guides, I make them for people using their spring . I heard good things from a good friend who used the vorteck spring. Send me the link or website to the company you were using with the holland kit 370 m/s double steel springs thank you for sharing your ordeal I do my best to in power air gunners so they dont have to rely on others and get ripped off thru the process! it is a disgrace what companies like hatsan do, the only reason I buy their rifles is because I know I can work them and refine them, I enjoy the projects. They are over design, over powered, and need to be detuned & worked. regards Mike

[@jeromebickel]

I'm thinking about a New Projekt.. does The 125sniper barrel (longer, maybe more accurate (?), With silencer) fit in The 135 (bigger Diameter, more Power with tuning (?)) Zylinder? And The Stock, can i Change that on The 125, 135? Has IT The Same holes?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

yes the 125 & 135 barrel assembly are interchangeable and should be the same. the stocks are interchangeable also, I have two 135 stocks set aside for two of my 125,I just have not been back to finish what I started with them I was customizing the stocks. I think if both guns have a good barrel then the slight difference in barrel length would not be enough to change anything

[@jeromebickel]

I have The 125 sniper and filled the parts where The ugly rubber was, with epoxy and Made The pistolgrip a Bit smaller.. now someone want to buy it But i dont want to give this wonderful Stock away because i spent way too much time with that.. next Project will Be a 135 with 125 sniper Barrel and my modiefied 125 Stock.. Am i right with The prognose that The 135 has more Potential?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

It 's hard to say because both are over built and have big piston slam, best way to know anything is to go for it and get into your project to see what you come up with when your done its been a good while since I been messing with either of them,

[@jeromebickel]

I'll give It a try.. i will buy a cheap 135, give The wooden Stock to The old 125, sell it with Profite and buy a 125s Barrel.. i was experimenting with a view gasrams and was not that much satisfied.. can i pump Up The vortex ram by myself? With a handpump?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

How were you going to buy a 125 barrel, was it from over seas ? I dont know about the vorteck gas ram I have not messed with it, I have one now in my 135 that Iam taking it out and making a springer out of it the crosma xl ram may be stronger and is very inexpensive just pull the item and serial number off crosmans parts list for the benjamin xl and call crosman to order the part shipping is cheap also are you in the U S

[@Who_eddxe]

Hey do you know what’s wrong with my gun my middle pin came out and now i can cock it but i comes right back it dosent stay down to put the bullet

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Ed what model rifle is it and what middle pin are you referring to ? is it a quatro trigger and the middle pin on the receiver tube that hold the quatro trigger in the bracket

[@tonybranton]

Bolts are soft. ALL I NEEDED to hear! I’ll stay with German guns not Turkish Toys

[@RickDelmonico]

Hey Mike, just got a refurbished 155 vortex. Trigger wiggles 3 or 4 cm side to side. Is this normal?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi Rick Yes thats the norm

[@RickDelmonico]

ok thanks pellets on Saturday .25

[@RickDelmonico]

@@MrSteppingstone888 average fps 850 on inspection sheet

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@RickDelmonico it will be intresting to see what it gets usally they dont meet the hatsan data due to piston seals wearing in. I bought one of the smaller ones for 100.00 the 100X in wood thinking I would do my thing to it and re barrel it etc

[@RickDelmonico]

@@MrSteppingstone888 twitter.com/RickDelmonico/status/1297172332612653059/photo/1

[@sawtoothscream1521]

I have to get mine going. Barely got to use it with the trigger locking up on me and it shattering every scope i put on it fast. Think when i get around to tuning im going to order a weaker spring.

[@jswizzle8r4]

I have a hatsan 125th .177 caliber vortex and a hatsan 125th .25 caliber spring..... my question is can I swap just the barrel from my .25-caliber spring rifle to my .177-caliber Vortex piston rifle? or does it not match up? thanks

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Yes you can! Only difference is the bore size everything else hatsan uses is the same, thees guns are best in .25 cal because of the larger bore size it will be smoother shot cycle/ the other calibers cause the harsher shot cycle in these over designed rifles

[@jswizzle8r4]

Is the bore on the gas piston side where the barrel and piston side meet when you close the barrel after cocking it ,a standard size or are they different depending on the barrel bore size?.... I'm asking because the bore on the piston side of the .177-caliber looks like it's the same size as the barrel side, and the .25-caliber barrel side looks alot bigger than the bore of the .177 vortex piston side.... I hope that I'm making sense or that you understand what I'm trying to say..... I'm just wondering if at different calibers, does the bore on the piston side is differ in sizes aswell to correspond with the caliber or are they all the same size no matter what the caliber size is? Thanks

[@jswizzle8r4]

Do you happen to have a video showing the swap of a hatsan .25-caliber springer rifle to a .177-caliber vortex piston so that the .25-caliber goes from a springer to a Vortex piston off of a .177-caliber? And what I have to do to make the swap....? If not can you pleeeeeeeease make one...thanks I'm a 23 year old woman who's pretty handy with tools and just need someone to show me how to do the swap and I think I can follow suit. ...thanks if not its ok I'll figure it out. ..thanks again, you are absolutely the best person on KZbin that shows detailed description and information on working on these things, I really appreciate your channel, thanks again. ...

[@MrSteppingstone888]

the air chamber port hole on the receiver between the forks should be the same, if one is dished out a tad more it may look bigger but they should be the same 177/ .22/.25 all take the same spring and piston size etc / what changes the shot cycle to being better on thees big guns is the barrel being .25, its larger and the air from the shot cycle is moved easier for a better piston balance instead of the piston hitting a wall because the air can't leave at the proper time

[@jswizzle8r4]

Awesome. ..... thank you so much for taking the time to help and answer my questions, I truly appreciate your time ..... I'm looking forward to many more of your awesome videos, it's truly given me the guts and inspiration to tackle the work on my hatsan rifles myself...... thanks again Mike

[@rakun-raccoon1907]

Man, my barrel on 125 th is somewhat wobly, is there any chance to tighten it ??

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi No they are pressed fitted & Pinned

[@rakun-raccoon1907]

@@MrSteppingstone888 Thank you on fast replay, do you think will it brake??

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@rakun-raccoon1907 probably not, and it most likely will stay the way it is with out getting worse

[@susanmarie4257]

hi mike I have a question .does the 135 have more power then the 125?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi Susan Its been a long while since I been working with them both, I would say it would have a little more power because the piston stroke is the same and the 135 has the larger receiver tube, I like the 135 because of the wood stock. best regards Mike E

[@susanmarie4257]

I agree I like a wood stock as well 'I was thinking of buying a wood stock from archer air guns .and modify it to fit my 125

[@susanmarie4257]

just wondering have you had any experience with the umarex gauntlet ? I got one for my birthday last june I never got the chance to shoot a full can of pellets before it broke .the probe on the bolt broke 'when I took it apart I was kind of surprised because what I saw was a QB78 .im ordering a bolt from archer .com and hoping it will fit

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@susanmarie4257 Email hatsan usa ask them if they have a 135 stock they probably will. I bought them before, last one was a synthetic thumb hole stock if they have the135 it should come with the butt pad & trigger guard but make sure it has the plastic block spacer for inside the stock

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@susanmarie4257 Na I have not shot anything it dose not interest me . maybe one day

[@richardsaunders7569]

Hi Mike, I would like to talk with you about a tune up on a hatsan 125 vortex if you are interested. I tried finding you on The Airgun forum but I was told to contact you here. I hope you see this and I look forward to your response thank you very much for your time in advance

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi Rich here is my info [e-mail] FYI if a You Tuber has info you can click on the about me TAB for their contact info

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Rich I sent you my info I have not heard from you. Hi Rich here is my info [e-mail]

[@avidxxxobishnst7099]

how bout a video on 125 sniper barrel recrowning?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

+Aaron Bundy Hi Arron sounds good I'll keep that on the to do list, but wont be making any videos for a while. Mike

[@tonystites2134]

That was some cool stuff!!

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Thanks Tony, the early days of trying to do a video, they have helped a lot of guys and it feels rewarding when I here from some even out of the U. S. saying hey thanks for the video I got my gun back together because of it and my trigger works now etc

[@tonystites2134]

yes my 135 should be hear next friday so I'm trying to learn as much as i can before it shows up so thanks for all the great how to videos

[@MrSteppingstone888]

your welcome. clean the bore with patches and goo gone then do a pellet to bore test to see what the pellet to bore fit is like, hatsan is notorious for having bad barrels. you push the pellet down thru the bore slowly" while feeling what the pellet fit feels like it could have loose spots free fall or to tight areas etc or hopefully a consistent light pellet drag, if the bore is bad you would need to send it back before tampering with the insides

[@tonystites2134]

thanks

[@newhavenctspartacus7803]

It's the Hat son 125 25 caliber as powerful as the 135 at Sun

[@MrSteppingstone888]

The 135 has a little bit more power / both are best suited for the .25 caliber the .22 will have more recoil & piston slam, as the.25 seems to calm the shot cycle a little bit

[@nickolasc4167]

Does this apply to the vortex rifle also?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

If you are referring about the end plug , the vortex may be easier because the end plug is in two pieces, rather than one solid plug, still it may need some tapping out, and most likely once out it will need to be dremeled down to get back in

[@nickolasc4167]

Yea i was referring to the end plug sorry. Am I correct to assume this is the basic process in replacing the piston seal and polishing the cylinder it rides in? What form of lubrication do recommend for the piston seal?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@nickolasc4167 Not at all Nick hatsans are a P I A to work on, once you pull the trigger you need to make a smaller trigger sear pin to put it back the receiver end area needs to be reamed out good so you dont nck your piston seal going back in heck just removing the stock can be a challenge/ even re installing it due to mis aligned trigger pins far as inside the receiver you can degrease with brake cleaner spray. For lube I use super teck high pressure , high temperature, synthetic lube its red and in a can with a peel back lid, it's in walmart / not the auto stores/ I wouldn't polish the air chamber area// when I use moly paste I then cross hatch the air chamber but I have not been using that for a while now/ You should watch as many of the how to vid I posted on removing the stock etc re installing and so on

[@susanmarie4257]

may I ask would you sell any parts ? I need a piston for my hatsan 125 'mine is split down the center where the cocking leaver go in side it

[@MrSteppingstone888]

you need a piston Or the black rciver tube? you go to hatsan usa hatsanusa.com/ "click on contact us" then click on "customer service form " they wont have the part listed but they should sell you a piston left over from salvaged rifles, I bought pistons there already just fill out the info they require and they will gt back to you with a answer/ worse comes to worse se if thy have a cheap refurbish for the money if they dont want to sell you a piston. Mike E

[@jeromebickel]

can i Change the Barrel in my 125 Vortex, without taking Out the powerplant? because i've bought the normal Version because it is lightweight and hast a nicer Stock But it has no silencer. so i want to cange the Barrel for the sniper Barrel with silencer. is that a good ideal?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

You should be able to do that, the 125 blocks should be the same. Break the barrel open to relieve the tension on the barrel pivot bolt then pull the bolt out for disassembly. If you know the snipers barrel is good then I think that a good ideal. keep in mind what side the stocks the nut" is on and the side of the stock the bolt head is and be sure to put the stock bolt back in the same side

[@jeromebickel]

thank you very much for your Quick Response. ok, thats the Same i tought, But i wanted to know your expert opinion. so the sniper Barrel is better Not only because of beeing more quiet (is the silencer really working?) ? i've Watched all your hatsan vids, so should i replace the Vortex Piston with a crosman Nitro? is this more powerful? I dont Care about the hard cocking (i'm 5times a week in the gym) so whats the best Thing i Can do to generate the most fpe in my .25 125? sorry for my "newbe-ing" :D

[@MrSteppingstone888]

I just bought a hatsan 135 it was supposed to be a springer version but came thru with a vortex gas ram. I never got to test the two gas rams side by side before but I would bet the crosman ram is stronger. how ever until I get to test both side by side the vortex ram may be less piston slam if it happens to be less power, I suspect it is. the vortex ram has 1/2 of the end of the receiver built into it ,so in order to change a gas ram to a crosman ram you would need to order the end plug as hatsan calls it, that is the plastic end the three large pins go thru and holds the trigger block in place. the sniper barrel with the built on silencer works. but cleaning the barrels and doing the pellet to bore test will tell you which is the better barrel, a bad barrel that's quite doesn't do much good LOL. power wise gees I can't even remember in .25 what the norm was. but if yours is a .25 then you have the best caliber for that gun because it really tames the shot cycle down as the norm with other calibers is the rifles have a huge piston slam due to the fact that it is way over designed. I made the videos for guys who would be interested and hopefully teach some to learn more about what they can do themselves its a great sport for shooting and doing and learning and having projects to get into

[@jeromebickel]

where Can i get such an Adapter? But First i will Check the rifle/bore, shoot it a Bit and in a month or so , when i have all the Parts, i will Change the Seals, clear the piston and the ruff edges and put a good lubricate in it. maybe i change the Barrel or i buy a surpressor, which slides over the Barrel. (www.silencer-pcp-airguns.com/offer/silencer-hatsan/) or when is is quiet enough i do nothing to it. I really appreciate your Work and your fast replys. keep it Up ;)

[@MrSteppingstone888]

hatsanusa.com scroll down to bottom of page click on the red link that says SERVICE / REPAIR PAYMENT. type and fill in the form and ask them for the part you want, they dont have everything but they should have that End plug is what they call it. here is a link to the form to fill out. www.hatsanusa.com/warranty-repair/customer-service-form/

[@jirizhanel795]

Important information. I can't hear you!

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi George. You need to check your computer settings and anything to do with volume of sound , including speakers if you have them. occasionally a guy will message the same issue only to fine it was on his computer something was shut off a head phone was plugged in with out them realizing it etc...

[@bradleyjordan5365]

It is definitely the video. I clicked on your other videos and they sound fine compared to this one.

[@MrCountrycuz]

But then again, the way the Turks have treated the Kurds and the Americans that live there turn my sentiments against anything made by Turkey.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

+Lucien Alacard Its more of a project rifle for guys who can do their own work thats why I did the videos to help them out cause they can be a real PIA

[@pedropablo4690]

no sound on the video

[@MrSteppingstone888]

you need to check your computer setting & and also plug in I get this every now & again. I get sound when I click the video Thanks

[@susanmarie4257]

hello I see you have a lot of pellet gun parts laying around maybe you can help me out 'I'm hoping you might have an old .25 cal barrel you might sell 'it doesn't have to be full length about bout a foot long would do just fine 'I'm building a pcp pistol 'and hoping you might sell me a barrel ..

[@MrSteppingstone888]

I have some bran new crosman barrels not sure what calibers , I will let you know by saturday

[@susanmarie4257]

ok thank you 'just let me know how much you will sell one for '

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Susan I have a .25 crossman barrel bran new it is 0.55 inch wide' on the caliber heres my email [e-mail] I can send a picture, of it one end was threaded the other end was notched for the crossman block it is 19-1/2" long I could cut it on the lathe for whatever you want, I also have the crosman threaded end piece, that screws on the threads of the barrel and some tube if you want to use that on the threads as a end piece to hand break you could make for the pistol lets communicate via email rather then on here

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hey I did not here back from you on the barrel. I was going to cut it for your project, the crosman barrels are inexpensive and my friend uses them with good results one end is threaded the other end has the nocth from the rifle it was made for, any way look over the info I sent before and let me know what you would like heres my email money wise I think I paid 25.00 shipped so thats all I'll need [e-mail]

[@susanmarie4257]

ty you mike 'that sounds very good I'll email you soon as I am ready ok?

[@ahmondeboxley2950]

Hey Mike I was wondering. If I could pay you to make me a barrel for my hatsan 125 sbiper get back at me

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Are you in the US/

[@ahmondeboxley2950]

@@MrSteppingstone888 yes in Mississippi

[@ahmondeboxley2950]

I can send you my air rifle alone with the payment at the same time

[@ahmondeboxley2950]

@@MrSteppingstone888 yes I'm in Mississippi us

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@ahmondeboxley2950 here is my email we will talk there [e-mail]

[@williamhunt887]

i own a 125 and at 15 yards i shot the wing and left legs off of a fly

[@MrSteppingstone888]

were you able to tune the trigger and go thru the rifle?

[@williamhunt887]

yes found it to be a 5 out of 10 on the complex level

[@MrCountrycuz]

Could you go through one and make is superb and then sell it to me?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

+Lucien Alacard drop me a email./ we can discuss it further, I'll be working today then all week , I'll get back to you when I can. [e-mail]

[@MrSteppingstone888]

+Lucien Alacard those rifles are not worth the money it cost to work them the shipping the parts and the labor . you should buy a nice R 9 My friend rich works the gammos ,to date I never been inside one, usually I'll do a German rifles. have tuned hatsan magnums for others but its not cheap when You add up everything. If some one insist on paying for it they at least have to have a good barrel other wise I wont do it a lot of hatsan barrels are ho hum its 50/ 50 if you get a good one or a not so good barrel

[@MrCountrycuz]

I have decided that I will get a RWS 54 air King and have no worries

[@cetriemmmmm7177]

l would definetly install that Vortek spring and your guide..shipping depends on package size and weight l think. You could send me your email so we can discuss details? Thanks alot!

[@MrSteppingstone888]

+Cetriem Mmmm my email is [e-mail]

[@petegower2031]

No sound....

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Hi pete check your settings & speakers its your system once in a while I'll get someone saying the same , defintiny we have sound in the video

[@petegower2031]

@@MrSteppingstone888 Thanks Mike can I pm you sometime?

[@MrSteppingstone888]

@@petegower2031 [e-mail]

[@addicted4life575]

Wow do you get side tracked a lot! This video is way way more about life hacks, then it is about the break barrel in the picture. Did anyone happen to count how many times he said “anyway” and “alright”? That’s usually the “I am getting back on track” cue. Instead of grinding a screwdriver out of a chisel or making one from scratch, a much quicker way to address that would be to find a screwdriver that is the correct width, and fits in the groove of the screw. If there is a lot of slop, simply grind down the tip of the screwdriver till it fits the groove snug. The more you grind the tip down, the longer and wider the tip of the screwdriver will get.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

Well aren't you the observant one. #1 screw drivers are not as thick even when going back from the tip / chisels are perfect for making the correct "FIT" to a large screw head made in a turkish factory from cheap junk steel. #2 the video was made when I first started out probably didn't even have the cordless mic everything was done off the cuff for the benefit of those who will be able to benefit from the info, which BTW ass hole has been alot since 4 yrs time Its people like you that ruin it for everyone else because of your A H attitude they will find the bad before the good. #3 Go buy one spend the money out of your pocket and buy one and go for it! work on it yourself then get back to me