PTI: Detroit Pistons 2004 Championship Segment

June 16, 2004
Hosts: Tony Kornheiser & Michael Wilbon
Network: ESPN, ESPNEWS
ESPN Enterntainment, 2004

[@MasenkOG]

That Pistons team never got credit from the media it was always the Lakers chip to lose instead of the Pistons to win

[@franklinclinton3476]

+Masenko Breezy because nobody cares about the Pistons they cheated vs MJ and the Bulls in the 80s they were known for being dirty + they was a bad guy team good all win vs Evil

[@Blatty26]

There's still 2 banners hanging in Detroit. Sounds like you don't know shit about basketball

[@franklinclinton3476]

Blatty26 you mean 3

[@Blatty26]

Two came from when the Pistons were bullying MJ

[@franklinclinton3476]

Blatty26 and that why MJ sweep there behind in 1991 because of that

[@tranazzi]

That 2000’s decade as a Detroit fan.... Cups in ‘02 and ‘08 NBA champs in ‘04 Cup finals appearance in ‘09 NBA Finals appearance in ‘05 World Series appearance in ‘06 Anyone wanna go back to there with me?

[@mauricejohnson1068]

Yessirrrrrrrr

[@tennaj1367]

And the Lions still sucked !!! I'm from Detroit !!

[@elbowgang9715]

@@tennaj1367 I'm from. Detroit too and yup everyone was successful except them damn Lions. Remember Joey Harrington lol

[@ericcleve4447]

You forgot about the 2012 Tigers making the World Series. “should’ve!!” Won that. But you did say “2000s”Effing Prince Fielder ruined everything. Wings were in the glory days. Pistons shocked the world (minus Michigan) and beat Kobe, Shaq, Malone @ Payton. Now all of our sports teams are Lion like. Rough times to be a fan in the D.

[@elbowgang9715]

@Eric Cleve we'll be back. A couple years just watch.

[@cwp4eva]

This show ain't changed in 12 years

[@Adamalmosawy0420]

This is by far the funniest comment I have ever seen lmao so true

[@stocker104]

oh yes

[@jakem2367]

They even still have guiness as a sponsor😂 well if it ain't broke don't fix it

[@BubbaGoon08]

18 years. I’m in 2019... still hasn’t changed and shouldn’t.

[@zacharyrizzo3952]

William Phelps thank god. ESPN went full on liberal within that time. They’re smart enough to not touch this great show

[@Blackisbeautifull96]

The nostalgia. I remember coming home from middle school and watching this while I did my homework and whatnot. Man.. I truly miss those days. Basketball was awesome and life was less hectic and stressful. #PTI

[@ahutch39]

Nostalgia is one hell of a drug

[@pvpat92]

Antonio Higgins heavy.

[@offtop3808]

BlackIsBeautiful life wasn’t less hectic...you just happened to be 10.

[@halfwaydowntheroad]

I hear you. These guys became the go-to show my last years in high school when it premiered.

[@HakeemTheDream616]

Me too...I did it everyday!

[@artgutierrez6524]

Tayshawn Prince aka The only REAL Kobe stopper

[@coreybright6684]

Kobe and tmac

[@kmill8966]

Greatest moment of my life. Pistons for life. BAD BOYZ!

[@BrickstreetSprite]

Facts.. my favorite team of all time.. 04 Pistons

[@brandonknight431]

Hell yeah man

[@elbowgang9715]

Man I still remember the night we won. The city had so much love for them and they loved us back. It was nothing to see Rip Hamilton on 7 mile in his Maybach back then

[@terencethomas4735]

Let’s go

[@shg45]

I actually call this Pistons team the Good Men Pistons because they have good chemistry. GOATed team

[@bear9219]

The most amazing thing about this video is how spot on they were with so many of their predictions of how the next 2-3 years would play out in the nba

[@grege5074]

i'm so distracted by the ticker at the bottom and saying to myself "I REMEMBER KYLE LOHSE!" or "OMG THE EXPOS?!" the nostalgia is real

[@henny6566]

I was looking at is also. The Indians are playing the Mets and the probable starters has a 3-3 CC Sabathia. CC still with the Indians, holy ish where did the time go.

[@joeyli4381]

Crazy this was damn near two decades ago. I remember watching the series while living just miles away from The Palace.

[@isnipe4fun745]

2000-2010 were such great times to be a Detroit fan

[@joshuafult84]

yup 1 fluke chip after 6 ecf appearances so amazing

[@blakeandersonECW420]

@@joshuafult84 better than their next 10 years

[@hmhm856]

@@joshuafult84 Pistons did make the Finals also in 2005, and almost won that title against the Spurs as well

[@Jay-hk3pe]

Childhood nightmare. Forever a laker fan

[@tomwanner5786]

Lakers were lucky to win one game. Kobe hit a ridiculous shot in game 2 to tie it.

[@mauricetaylor788]

this was 12-years ago but tony was so right

[@TheMan750]

Especially about Cleveland

[@arsenioseslpodcast3143]

try 18 years ago

[@JJDPROMEDIAPRODUCTION]

DEEEEEEEEE Troittttttttttt! BasketBall!!!!!!

[@DavidTMSN]

The hay day. I grew up in Flint. I loved those years. Forever in my memory.

[@noahbacklund74]

Love PTI and Wilbon giving credit to the Pistons. The only problem is Kornheiser's big market bias, which is clearly shown lol.

[@plainsimple244]

The 2004 Detroit Pistons were great but they should have won at least 4 rings: 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, and if they don't trade Billups, 2009.

[@highvoltagemedia7150]

Plain Simple 2005 for sure. 2006 forget it. D-Wade came into his own and they had revenge on their minds from the game 7 loss at home in the ECF from the year before

[@igl4ss]

I'm on board with a 2005 championship at a bare minimum. The Pistons protected Darko Milicic and let go of Mehmet Okur, who promptly went on to average roughly 16 points and 8 rebounds for Utah for the next five years while Darko was a total bust . That ONE mistake kept them from winning at least one more championship.

[@kevo6463]

If they took melo in the 03 draft they would have won AT LEAST 3 chips

[@jaybird4571]

Plain Simple if we would have kept Larry Brown we would have been good.

[@bennyrobinson1935]

08?

[@Encyclopedia_Brown97]

Man, at 6:30 every prediction Tony made was accurate

[@lousanto1054]

Almost creepy how correct he was...

[@SkodenMOC]

It still annoying how the big market teams get more of the media attention regardless if they are losing or winning. Detroit Pistons that season deserve every ounce of praise for winning a championship without a single HOF (at least two of them should be already)

[@chrisgrissom3610]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I remember this like yesterday

[@Zb_Calisthenic]

Best team on espn love both these dudes

[@blahblahlablah]

Damn 2020 and Wilbon looks exactly the same

[@vickjr98]

Lmao. Black don't crack for real

[@envyops]

Shorthanded Showtime got swept by Pistons in 89, but they fought like hell to the last second. 04 Lakers surrendered and got ran off the court.

[@mobetta2092]

All 3 of the Pistons championship teams were looked down on because they interfered with who the national sports media and league office wanted to be champions (in 1988 they still wanted more Magic and Bird, then in 1989 they wanted Jordan and Magic…1990 they wanted Jordan v Magic or Drexler…in 2004 they wanted more Kobe and Shaq success…in 2005 to 2008 they always wanted Wade, LeBron, or Celts Big 3 from the East in the finals). On another note…Tony’s opening line about Aretha Franklin’s chest and he and Wilbon’s dialogue into the intro music would get them both cancelled in today’s climate.

[@brandonknight431]

I miss this pistons team so damn much

[@artgutierrez6524]

I still remember I cried when we lost to the Pistons lol

[@chrisgrissom3610]

Watching this live, back then gave me so much joy as it does now.. Give it time, but the pistons will be back to prominence.. Kobe got 5, Should've got 6 rest in power mamba... DEEEEEEEEETROIIIT BASKETBALLLLLLLLL

[@supervilla06]

Back when the NBA was more than 3 teams and great players weren't afraid to play other great players.

[@tycalvert7322]

The Lakers Pistons and Spurs were the only three contenders

[@elbowgang9715]

@@tycalvert7322 nah Indiana definitely was a contender too.

[@MikeG82]

LMAO the lakers and spurs were thought to be the only 2 teams, the pistons became the 3rd after this game, oh and the lakers with malone and payton were a "super team" you are blinded by your nostalgia

[@supervilla06]

MikeG82 Objectivity has nothing to do with nostalgia. I think the upset of this game shows that it actually was a competitive league. Moreover, there was literally a different matchup in the NBA Finals over the next several years. Good try though.

[@MikeG82]

@@supervilla06 this was ONE fluke upset that took an injury by malone and the shaq/kobe relationship finally collapsing to the point of not being able to coexist along with tons of other locker room and organizational drama every other year the clear favorite won but you think this one year proves the league was competitive? the years before this the lakers won 3 in a row, the spurs won 2 before this series and they won the next year too, so one team outside the spurs and lakers won one title in a span of 7 seasons, yeah so competitive LOL guess how many teams won a title in the last 6 years, 4 so that makes the league more competitive now HAHAA good try pretending you actually know something, but any person with a brain can see you are blinded by nostalgia how old were you in 2004? i'm betting you were a child

[@tanmartselby6937]

It took the Lakers a while to get back to championship status after this loss.

[@arsenioseslpodcast3143]

Bro, four years. Lol. That's not too long.

[@tanmartselby6937]

Five years, not four.

[@justjokinntokin5474]

Lakers were 7-1 favs ova Pistons bet 400 lost 2800 bookie was laughing allllllllllllllllllllllll the way to the bank n I was crying alllllllllllllllllllllll the way home

[@levaneshkitnasamy5835]

most low key scary statement they made was at the end, "what if Kobe goes to San Antonio?" Can you imagine a Prime Kobe and Prime Duncan, with Parker and Manu (became a star the very next season) along with that defence and Pop, they would have been the warriors before the warriors.

[@Loganbub]

Yea I’m Not a huge Kobe fan but that would of been unstoppable

[@anthonyhutchins676]

People knew LeBron was this great back then and thiz was hiz rookie year....

[@LeightonAtkinson-bm6of]

I remember this episode of pardon the interruption Tony Kornshier and Michael wilbon when I was 13 years old

[@Randallhombre06]

best night ever

[@OmegaRedFan]

Shaq we're on live.

[@fireanddesire2747]

I just love this! Best youtube channel of all time!! Keep them coming!

[@OmegaRedFan]

I just got here last week lol. Turkeys of the year dude

[@HakeemTheDream616]

I cried, and celebrated all night after we dominated the Lakers that Lakers team that had a 26 year old Kobe, and a prime Shaq with 2 other first ballot hall of famer's to go with them.

[@joshuafult84]

cringe

[@mrderp8308]

Bottom right says “Pebble Beach to host 2010 US Open”, I bet when I watched this back in 2004, I said, damn 2010 is so far away :(

[@austinsname]

Give them pistons some friggin credit. My goodness

[@MrDewayne]

classic debate

[@OmegaRedFan]

I miss old tv, you know, before HD times

[@PurpleScoutCookies]

Always love your videos :)

[@dhj995]

Ben Wallace dunking all over Fat Shaq and the lakers smh!! 2001 Shaq woulda put Big Ben in the grave. Fat 2004 shaq had no chance. Kobe carried that team thru the western conference just like he did in 2001 and 2002... but fat Shaq couldn't hit the switch like he did in years past. Shaq'S defense was trash. He and Malone couldn't move on any rotations... and GP's 4ppg were a disgrace. Chauncey sliced his ass up and got mvp

[@razkable]

2006 shaq and payton went to miami and won a title together....sucks to be Malone...the only one of the big 6 lakers Payton shaq Kobe George fisher without a ring...both payton and malone lost to Phil in the finals...funny how they tried teaming up with Phil to win one

[@joshuafult84]

JBSptfn hell no your reaching bro

[@Pistol213rd]

I dont know why they keep calling this a upset the Pistons were good and had a stacked team!!!

[@joshuafult84]

they were fluke champions

[@membersonlydave]

holy shit this was the fucking best back in the day. i miss these days of espn

[@mrbigstump63]

Man that bust joke would get him KILLED now!

[@aidenwestbrook3103]

Omg look at Michael wilbon

[@MrT8599]

I personally have always been a fan of Wilbon with glasses. But he rarely wears them now, if not ever.

[@OmegaRedFan]

He looks like Jonathan Coachman LOL

[@johnperez3163]

The 2004 Lakers were the biggest soap opera in the entire league. So much went wrong in the finals for them. Guys clearly did not care about playing hard, too many egos, guys were old and worn out physically and mentally, Kobe and Shaq couldn't stand each other and the Pistons were just better. They basically put the nail in the coffin on LA for at least the next 8 years.

[@jordandowns5236]

05:12 why does it says 2010 us open when this 2004

[@baseballversteht3548]

Exactly what it says. I remembering seeing that stuff of (x) is coming in 2011. By then you just dont care too much. But then when it does come, you go; "Woah I remember that announcement. Time flies away"

[@brandonknight431]

For 2010

[@ForzaMilan-di2zd]

Luv that the experts were like hers in 4 Pistons can't score😂

[@robertcapehart5558]

The revamped Shaq/Kobe beef brought me here

[@williamgrantham4481]

Good Show

[@korianpadgett7754]

I remember when the Lakers were waiting on the Pacers/Pistons finals to finish and on this show they said it doesn’t matter because the Lakers are going to win.

[@kylemitchell5512]

“What if Tracy mcgrady goes west” prophetic

[@RonGallagher]

Five Game Sweep......

[@ashleyice688]

They were beaten by a better team, plain & simple..

[@MekkelRichards]

Pistons '04-4-LYF

[@timtodd1845]

Chauncey was that one guy he was fuckin Fisher up bad

[@jaybird4571]

Tim Todd Gary Payton was matched up with billups for that series. He demolished Payton..i don't think Payton scored 25 points total the whole series. DETROIT STAND UP!

[@jayyarbrough9902]

I love it when the Pistons are good. They like to put hands on whoever pretending to be America's team.

[@johnperez3163]

Malone should've gotten his ring that year.

[@timtodd1845]

Franklin we went to four five. conference finals what u mean final year after conference finals next year then Boston came remember I'm from Detroit

[@Yako9x16]

pistons failed to add young talent as their core aged

[@Loganbub]

Yup or really much talent at all.

[@tanmartselby6937]

They totally slept on the Spurs at the end. Smh

[@israelhernandez5482]

I'm a huge laker fan and this lost hurts more then Lakers losing to Celtics with garnet, Allen and paul. That Lakers team was not ready for the Celtics but with Detroit, that was bad. for some reason the Lakers were not playing their butts off, no hustle, no nothing. Detroit just came in and almost sweap them out. at least put up a fight and who knows maybe they go to game 7. even if Lakers loose at least they fought till the end. oh well. memories.

[@dhj995]

04 pistons hurt more than 08 celtics for me as well. 04 spurs and 04 Wolves with KG as MVP were better than those wack pistons... LAL had 0 chemistry in the finals. Pistons get to every loose ball smh

[@andrewcrawford4635]

Kobe said after the first half of game 1 that the Lakers hadn’t played the Pistons much and was just feeling their way around them. Maybe assumed they would do better in the second half with their normal ‘fast breaks’ but the Pistons defense was too tough. Shaq did put up about 30 points though.

[@joshuafult84]

the reason the lakers beat the spurs and tw wolves easy compared to the pistons is because once Kobe had his eyes set on finals MVP he shot the lakers out the series right into Detroit's gameplan

[@tolicelawrence461]

Let's be real. The Pistons out played the Lakers mentally and physically. No one wanted to give them a chance . They wanted to give excuses for the reason why the Lakers did not win just like they did with the 89 Piston champions . People still until this day do not give both teams credit for their hard work winning championships. Both teams kicked BUTTTTTTTT !🤣👏❤

[@LeightonAtkinson-bm6of]

Will they lose Phil Jackson Kobe Bryant Shaq Karl Malone and Gary Payton

[@blue_venom7585]

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[@MekkelRichards]

Pavement is playing

[@cjvaye99]

I still hate the pistons over that loss

[@kmacadaeg7]

Deeeeeetroit Basketbaaaaaallll!!!

[@smokinnplatez1426]

The lakers beat san antonio the following years champ and Minnesota the team with the best record

[@PillowsCoolside]

Kobe's jealous ass cost them the title and it was beautiful.

[@rexflex7548]

Nha Larry brown out coach Phil Jackson facts

[@phillipmoore6249]

Kobe Bryant lost them the series FACTS

[@LeightonAtkinson-bm6of]

And will Shaq asked out

[@DopeItzTheeOne]

If only if we've drafted Melo would could've won a few more rings.

[@jaybird4571]

Elroy Ak I'm glad we didn't get mello. He's very overrated. Look at him...he never really reached his zenith.

[@henny6566]

@@jaybird4571 I love Melo and think he gets a bad rep but I don't see Detroit winning with him for the fact that if they drafted Melo they more than likely don't trade for Rasheed. Sheed is the main reason they got a ring.

[@jaybird4571]

@@henny6566 💪🏾💯💯💯 Mello was not a good fit at the time

[@henny6566]

@@jaybird4571 He really isn't especially since he never cared to play D and that team was all about defense. Plus Rasheed is the reason why won it all. Him and Big Ben down low made it impossible to score on. Unless they draft Melo and somehow trade for Sheed still that's the only way I see them winning more rings.

[@AJ-vm8ft]

Can’t score 70? No, that was their opponents.

[@fannygarita5125]

resident evil 2 remake

[@Buzz1756]

If only shaq wasn’t so selfish. They wouldve won this championship

[@100spurs]

Fucking stupid. Kobe was the culprit here.

[@joshuafult84]

Kobetard not realizing Kobe shot them out the series

[@100spurs]

You dumb. Kobe doomed them

[@franklinclinton3476]

what have the Pistons done since winning it all in 2004 Nothing

[@UofMwolverines4]

+Franklin Clinton.. They went to the finals the following year, almost winning it but losing in 7 games. Then followed that up with another three straight trips to the ECF to make it six straight appearances there. That's a lot of success. As for your comment below, I have no idea what makes you say they cheated against MJ. Sure, they were a dirty team, but nothing they did were outside of the rules that were in place in the NBA at the time. You clearly are a hater and don't know much about basketball.

[@franklinclinton3476]

Spencer Reece almost mean nothing

[@franklinclinton3476]

Spencer Reece i do know basketball and not a hater

[@archive753]

+Franklin Clinton you just sound salty as hell. These pistons were great, and this new version will only get better

[@franklinclinton3476]

look it the truth what had they done since 04 Ismael Santos

[@phillipmoore6249]

Kobe lost these finals

[@melissadavis7590]

I will disrespect your sports now. All but 2004. Championship player damien jones

[@Cunninghamily]

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