Punitive damages

How much someone owes in punitive damages is directly tied to how much money they have #lawyer #law #attorney #verdict #trump #court

[@alexa.5130]

Then why do corporations not pay this amount towards citizens

[@funfungerman8401]

but they often do? there are nummerous cases where people recieve multiple millions after such court cases

[@k_drop]

In most cases those payouts are compensatory, not punitive.

[@roflmoomoo2098]

Capitalism and lobbying is the problem. Money matters to consevatives more than people, and it is legal for corporations to bribe politicians with money.

[@calebbarnhouse496]

​@@funfungerman8401a woman got liken2 million dollars after years of fighting with mcdonals because they melted her skin with coffee that was to hot, they absolutely do not have this level of fine put on them for something as irrelevant as words, even if you wanted to argue that the words were as bad as melting your skin together and that inflation since then makes 2 million equal to 40 million, it still isn't even half the reward against a company that is far more wealthy

[@thecoolaxolotlnova8523]

​@@funfungerman8401 millions are pennies to businesses

[@Wesmin]

It makes sense, banks in the past haven't changed their illegal practices because the eventual fines they got years later when the cases were finally decided were not even a significant percentage of the money they were getting from breaking the law. Penalties have to be tied to wealth of the defendant or its not really a penalty at all just a light tap on the wrist.

[@Peter-jo3wt]

Actually being guilty, is a significant precursor. If this weren't a political witch hunt, it might be much different.

[@Gowidafloman]

​@Peter-jo3wt well since this isn't a political witch hunt and he was found to be guilty, your point is moot!

[@zen_tewmbs]

“If the penalty for a crime is a fine, it is only a crime for the lower classes.”

[@DrDinoNuggies]

@@Peter-jo3wt Witch hunt? The guy literally defamed her on stage after getting this punishment. He can say whatever the fuck he wants about public figures, but Carrol stopped being a public figure and he kept spreading lies publicly. That’s illegal.

[@Peter-jo3wt]

@@Gowidafloman You are mistaken. He was not found guilty. The Judge found him culpable. This is not the same as guilty. Guilt infers a criminal act. Civil acts are never criminal, and criminal acts are never civil.

[@grace52775]

This makes so much sense. 20 years ago, when I was a poor college student, I got a ticket for making a wide right turn. It was only $900, but I simply didn't have the money. The cost was too great and I couldn't pay within the appointed timeframe, so I lost my right to drive. Because I was in an area with an inadequate bus system, I had to drop out of college and I couldn't get to work to try to chip away at the fine. So, I switched jobs to one where I was paid much less, but I could catch a ride to work with a friend everyday. It was either that or no job. This made paying off the ticket take much, much longer. This whole incident stole years from off of my life.

[@Noname-hw9bx]

Only 900? I have never heard anybody say "Oh, only 900" anything. 900 dollars is a pretty big amount.

[@NotSure416]

In 2004 a $900 fine isn't a normal ticket. Did you also hit someone?

[@grace52775]

@@NotSure416 No, I didn't. I had dropped my friend off and, according the the officer, I made a wide right turn. It was especially terrible because the road was the very end of a dead end and was completely empty.

[@supervivens3402]

If I may, why didn’t you protest it (assuming you didn’t)? You likely could’ve gotten the judge to lower it or show a pic of the street.

[@grace52775]

@@supervivens3402 I did ask for a lower fee which was denied. When I first went, nobody told me there was an option for community service that would put $15 toward my fee per hour (which was three times the minimum wage at the time, btw, and twice the wage I earned from my job). When I learned about this option, I went back to ask for it, but the judge denied me. He said they stopped doing that program, but I later learned they were planning to do the program, but it was still in effect. I asked him if he would still let me do the program since it was still enacted during my initial court hearing, and he said no. I went back numerous times over the years to tell the judge that the charge was an unnecessary burden, and he didn't care. I even asked if I could have a reserved license where I could only drive to and from work, and he denied me that, too. I couldn't go to school. I couldn't get a better job. I couldn't move because I had no money. I had serious problems even getting groceries. I was literally stuck for five years trying to pay off this exorbitant fee.

[@gbenother8755]

The country of Finland does that with speeding tickets. They calculate them based on how fast you were going, and how much money you have. There is at least one case of a rich guy in a fast Italian car paying a million dollar speeding ticket!

[@Secretgeek2012]

Nice.

[@Adam-mv4fw]

As it should be. A speeding ticket shouldn't be treated like a VIP pass payment to break the law by the rich.

[@SykoticBanana]

A parking fine is a minor inconvenience or possibly the cheaper option to the extremely rich. So how do we as a society interpret "everyone should be treated the same" by the law? Surely a fine or penalty should have the same impact on the defendant.

[@kevinkrech4314]

We'll talk about things not being equal you guys also have to pay more for gas and more for insurance and more for food and more for a car and more for toilet paper based upon income does the poor person get a roll of toilet paper for 50 cents and a rich person have to pay $50 that's the case all rich people just leave

[@nicodemous52]

Wow, that's actually kind of evil. If justice is to be blind, and applied equally, that's kind of evil. And that's coming form a very poor man. My rent and my internet are the majority of my paycheck.

[@technicolorskies5432]

This is how speeding tickets should be. A rich person gets a $100 speeding ticket, literally doesnt matter. A poor person gets a $100 speeding ticket and they cant pay rent that month.

[@cisium1184]

Sounds unconstitutional. Violates Equal Protection? Not rationally related to a legitimate state interest.

[@chelseakitkatz]

@@cisium1184ughhhh that’s not what equal protection means lol and if you believe that giving a different punishment for the same crime is unconstitutional, then you might wanna have a look at the 100k+ people who are currently serving 10+ year sentences for minor crimes while other people get probation for far worse. My point is that our justice system is biased, and it should be. There has to be nuance in the justice system. I’m not sure you understand how incredibly important that is.

[@beastshawnee]

the poor person doesn’t speed, But their tags are overdue,

[@Tommy.461]

Dont speed. Problem solved.

[@alan_davis]

Google speeding fines in Finland. They have that system.

[@Hazel-xl8in]

without proportional penalties, fines are just the cost of doing something illegal for a rich person. if the ticket for parking in a handicapped spot isn’t noticeable when compared to the money you have because you’re obscenely wealthy, it just costs that much to park in a handicapped spot.

[@seanhartnett79]

Yep.

[@j.dunlop8295]

Definitely, it's a sliding scale, like some Scandinavian countries. One multi millionaire had a $166,000 speeding ticket! Caught his attention!

[@grubalaboocreosote4774]

This is why every fine fee or otherwise needs to be based on wealth the same way, otherwise crime is pay to win

[@ChuckHaney]

TDS is a sad, sad thing.

[@EdgyShooter]

Exactly why speeding and parking fines should scale!

[@CO_Xvil]

They do that in like Sweden and stuff and it works really well apparently

[@jesseelves959]

I think the tickets should be directly proportional to the value of the vehicle.

[@Liam-oh2gb]

@@jesseelves959 that becomes tricky cause poor people save for expensive vehicles they can’t really afford, and some rich people drive more basic cars

[@TheSugish]

Thats an L take. 😂😂​@jesseelves959

[@washablejunk281]

@@Liam-oh2gbstupid poor people do. I drove a beater when I was poor.

[@garyaltringer8102]

Because of a corrupt system in most people’s opinion he’s guilty until proven innocent

[@MikeRafiLawyer]

Well, this was a civil case so guilt isn’t the issue

[@margie8287]

😅😂 now, how did I guess that "Mr. Lawyer was going to jump in here! 😅😂😅

[@9The0Unknown7]

Can’t wait to see what the third trial brings her

[@MikeRafiLawyer]

Lol

[@BrotherAlpha]

@@MikeRafiLawyer Serious question: Could her lawyers ask for a 72-hour psych evaluation? This would be the third trial at at some point you have to ask if he is not mentally capable of telling the truth.

[@MatthewsPersonal]

If that's a serious question for you, you might need to get yourself examined lol​@@BrotherAlpha

[@betalis7]

​@@BrotherAlpha you seriously believed that he defamed her when it was her who falsely accused her of rape. In fact, the court found Trump not guilty of rape, but "liable of sexual battery." Trump was not allowed to enter any evidence to defend himself as the judge found him guilty before he was even given the chance to defend himself. Trump never did anything sexual to that ugly racist hag.

[@RevolverOcelot2008]

The dumbass can't keep his mouth shut so he may get sued again. Just like with his fraud trail. He was angry about the ruling and said he didn't commit fraud infact he undervalued his properties. I just sat there reading it thinking WTF are you doing?! You literally just admitted to fraud by saying that. I don't think you understand any of this. How his lawyers haven't slapped and just shouted at him like that is perplexing. The sad excuse for a man deserves all the charges he's going to get

[@hubertmorris3714]

Nothing short of extortion

[@jacekpiterow900]

Well that is the straight way to set traffic tickets proportionally to the wealth of the driver. Nice.

[@Hamish_A]

Exactly what happens in some Scandinavian countries.

[@nssimpson]

Moral of the story, if you're going to get defamed make sure they're rich! The amount should definitely scale based on wealth but the majority of a large payout shouldn't go to the victim but instead to a charity that helps all victims.

[@Bit01]

Problem being that a secondary award cannot be so much more than an initial award. She sued him and won $5 million, then sued him again for claiming he was innocent, calling that "defamation". The whole case is ridiculous.

[@paradigm-wx6bn]

NEW YORK IS SO OVER!!!

[@williammcfarlane6153]

This is why I think finest should always be levied proportional to the assets. Cuz if the fine is so low, as that, it doesn't even warrant a second thought from the perpetrator, then they'll just continue doing it and acceptable cash... What makes it worse is when individuals or corporations are able to write off their finest as expenses in their taxes... When am I going to be able to write off my speeding tickets?! If I was able to, you would guarantee I'd be speeding a lot more!!!

[@LieFeeder]

the point is the whole system is corrupt and we need Law Abiding Citizens to take extreme measures to instill fear of justice, it seems to be the only way they learn

[@gamermj223]

This is some good editing

[@j.dunlop8295]

Definitely, it's a sliding scale, like some Scandinavian countries. One multi millionaire had a $166,000 speeding ticket! Caught his attention!

[@action4newsinligme803]

He also had clowns for lawyers, and generally didn't help himself, so that doesn't help

[@patrickreedy1176]

Would not matter if Trump had the best lawyer in the world in NY if the name is Trump you are automatically guilty until proven innocent , If you notice it's all far left Democrat judges, If you are a Republican you are guilty in NY .

[@stevenn1940]

To be fair, not having good lawyers falls under 'not helping himself' He has a strong reputation for just... not paying people. And being a terrible client that doesn"t actually listen to his attorney. So no decent lawyer will get within arm's reach of him lol

[@BlueDauntless]

@@stevenn1940a few will. He just has to pay them top dollar.

[@stevenn1940]

@@BlueDauntless No, he literally can't get good lawyers. Look at who he has; all bottom rung attorneys

[@me-myself-i787]

​@@stevenn1940I'm sure he could if he paid them upfront.

[@zenandtheartofskateboarding]

now do the same for traffic and parking tickets

[@calvingreene90]

Jean Carroll is a liar.

[@seanbrockest3888]

Read the transcript from the closing arguments. The plaintiff lawyer was amazing. She explained the values they were asking for as compensatory damages, gave good reasons for the numbers. Then for punitive damages she just said "well, he says he's a billionaire", and the jury did the rest.

[@robertdouglas8895]

Except she never proved it happened. Couldn't remember when it happened and made statements supportive of Trump after she guessed when it happened.

[@seanbrockest3888]

@@robertdouglas8895 She didn't need to prove it happened. She had told people about it when it happened, and they all testified. This was not a criminal trial, it was a civil trial. most of the damages were defamation anyway. Trump was obsessed with her.

[@madelinemardigan3386]

They already had it in the bag because it was a scam

[@danmartens8855]

All you have to have is a politically motivated Jury.

[@Mr_NB628]

“supposedly” 😂😂😂😂😂 That is low-key vicious

[@ritarevell7195]

If that is defaming someone, none of us are safe. Honestly, she should be sued for defamation of Trump. The incident she bases her claims on never happened in real life.

[@MikeRafiLawyer]

I think we can all objectively agree that Donald Trump is not afraid to sue. If he had any grounds to sue her for defamation, I am confident that he would have.

[@Cruzeoc101]

​@@MikeRafiLawyeror will do

[@misfitty-vd6kv]

DEFAMATION IS B.S. SHE ADMITTED TO LYING.

[@austingarrett3334]

So it's proportional to how much the person owns. Got it. Did Alex Jones own more than the GDP of most countries?

[@bennylofgren3208]

Punitive damages aren’t the only type of damages you can be awarded.

[@mementomori7825]

Alex jones should have lost more. Sad he couldn't be sent off to prison.

[@bertdog2119]

@@mementomori7825there’s nothing an individual can do to ever justify 1 billion dollars in damages. It’s legitimately absurd.

[@chelseakitkatz]

@@bertdog2119the damage that he shamelessly did to HUNDREDS of families is worth much, much more than $1 billion. Plus, you’re acting like he’ll ever have to actually pay that. Bankruptcy exists for a reason. And, he deserves to be bankrupt so he can’t spew that hatred and those lies for profit anymore. He doesn’t deserve to have a platform, and he doesn’t deserve access to any of the money he “earned” from intentionally harassing, defaming, berating, and destroying all of those people’s lives and wellbeing. I weep no tears for Alex Jones. In addition to platforming and being buddies with actual neo-n*zis, he’s an antisemitic, racist, misogynistic, Islamophobic, homophobic, greedy, lying, slimy sack of garbage. If you can listen to what he said about those children at that school and still feel morally justified in defending him in ANY way…. I hope you learn something, someday, that changes your mind. He’s an animal. He’s scum. He’s vile and hateful. He deserved worse.

[@Dantevonlocke]

​@bertdog2119 he mocked, derided, and defamed the parents of kids who were killed in their school. He riled up groups of people to harass them to the point they had to move. He said that they were liars and their kids weren't real. Now times that across each family. And keep in mind he did all that to gain money. He sold their suffering and pain to enrich himself.

[@justinbausman7122]

Imagine if fines worked this way. Rich people would no longer say "See you next time" after their last DUI class.

[@chriswhinery]

A liar can't be defamed for exposing their lies. They can and should be prosecuted and jailed for bringing false charges.

[@MichaelSmith-zl4jc]

And the "defamation" he did was saying he didn't sleep with her after she accused him of it

[@scottb6124]

Sleep is an odd way to say 'sexually assaulted'

[@LC-uh8if]

@@scottb6124 Regardless, proclaiming your innocence, even to the extent of calling your accuser a liar should not be defamation. Same for goes for petty schoolyard insults like stating someone is too ugly for you to want to "sleep with" (sexually assault). The issue is he was fined so much for what amounts to denying an allegation against himself and saying she wasn't good enough looking for him. This isn't the Alex Jones case (though that one is excessive due to being several times his estimated net worth). This is $88M for what amounts to a denial and a subjective assessment of the plaintiff's appearance.

[@georgestweeter]

​@scottb6124 I imagine you didn't follow the trial closely, so I'll summarize it for you. -her story changed several times -her story was the plot of a TV show episode -she couldn't provide any witnesses -she has dementia -she publicly fantasizes about rape -the dress she claimed to have been wearing didn't exist yet -she never told anyone about it -there was no CCTV footage of it to corroborate In other terms, it was a "she said" and the "she" is unreliable. -the Judge is a biased partisan Democrat who frequently donates to Democrat campaigns and who had posted many times on social media about their disdain for Trump. -the Judge refused to take any amount of counter evidence from Trumps legal team -the Judge just shy of actually instructing the Jury to find him Liable told then to do so -the Judge told the jury to count a European greeting, pecking the air next to a person's cheek, as Sexual Assault. -The Judge told the Jury to basically ignore Carroll's story and to consider of they believed it was possible for Trumps to have given her a European greeting in passing while she worked at that place. TLDR The Biased Judge instructed the jury to find him liable with 0 evidence.

[@scottb6124]

@@georgestweeter *Citation needed. The fact that people like you believe any of that without any sources to back it up is proof enough that Trump's defamation was successful. Now post a source.

[@jhoags92]

@@scottb6124 🤓 “citation needed”

[@DeadCat-42]

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."

[@cameronturner7475]

He should have sued her the moment she claimed he rped her. But instead he called her a liar and for that he got sued and lost. It's B S.

[@BlueDauntless]

It’s amazing. One jury found he didn’t rape her. The other found he defamed her by saying he didn’t rape her. It’s bs.

[@Steve.._.]

😂😂 copium. Hope he got his $5

[@martinkalum910]

He couldnt. Cuz he is a public person. So people can say what they will about him. And he cant really Sue for deformation. I Mean he can, but he need to prove that the accuzatiom was bring said with true malice. Which is a hight standart that next to inposdible to prove.

[@ultimatedude5686]

The lawsuit determined that he probably did rape her. Why do you think the result has been different if he had been the one suing?

[@BuzryHaproMandalorianHunter]

If he did then he’d be forced to hand over his DNA then it would (presumably) that he did commit the crime he was found guilty of.

[@randallsmerna384]

Total crap!

[@dannydonnelly8345]

He still ain't shut his mouth, needs to be more!!

[@chrispinzon4752]

Guilty of defamation for denying a s.a. accusation

[@definitelynotobama6851]

Didn’t the state of New York write legislation that changed the definition of defamation to make this lawsuit possible and included in language of the bill a sunset period of like six months?

[@bluesbrother2383]

Nah, he's definitely a shameless dickhead, he was literally making defamatory statements online while sitting in court, being a jerk and lying about your wealth definitely has consequences 🤷

[@XrayTheMyth23]

it wasn’t specifically for this case, they previously had very outdated legislation that allowed rapists to go free if the statute of limitations expired. Which obviously there shouldnt be a statute of limitations for serious felonies like rape or murder. cant say about the defamation part though im not familiar.

[@yepimhere5413]

Looks like the law didn’t have anything to do with defamation, they just extended the statute of limitations. It wasn’t made for this specific lawsuit

[@rilesmattix5217]

​@@XrayTheMyth23 they changed the statute for the trump rape case that had zero evidence against him

[@rilesmattix5217]

​@@yepimhere5413oh yes they just so happened to extend the statute of limitation right before an election year and right as someone planned to sue trump over nothing

[@jones_on_the_roof]

OK. But the jury said there was no proof he did what she accused him of. So if I get falsely accused, why can I not say horrible things about the person lying. It makes no sense

[@michaelmurphy2112]

Two points. First, the civil trial was a bench trial, so it wasn't a jury deciding, it was the judge who decided that, despite the jury (point 2) in the actual r*pe/sexual assault case saying Trump didn't r*pe (or at least there wasn't enough evidence to convict) her, the jury actually meant "yes he did" and decided that he defamed her.

[@mysteryshrimp]

The carroll case was a jury trial. The fraud case was a bench trial.

[@MikeRafiLawyer]

1. You’re confusing trials, which is easy to do since there are so many. 2. This was a jury trial. 3. The burden of proof in a criminal case is higher than a civil one - an example of this would be OJ not guilty in his criminal case but civilly liable in the wrongful death civil case.

[@vibecheck3572]

@@MikeRafiLawyercan you name a single witness to Trump sexually assaulting Jean Carroll besides Jean Carroll? Should be easy since he raped her in a public building

[@FreebirthBoccara]

1. there was no jurry because trumps lawyers did not ASK for one...excewpt there was a jurry because that was A DIFFERNT TRIAL...he's just committed alot of crimes and your mixing up wich trial this was.. and 2. it wasnt the big R word because in new york shoving your fingers inside someone elses genitals without their consent isn't considered the big r word. its considered sexual assault. wich is what he was convicted of. legally speaking he did not R word her. colloquially speaking he absolutely r@ped her.

[@gator066]

Bullshit election interference is all this is...

[@MRSD45]

It should also be noted that a no one talking crap in an office is not even compatible to the damage someone with not only a national platform, but an international platform doing much much more damage.

[@Vicki-v7e]

He has literally bragged in court, in front of the jury that his properties were worth $5-6 billion & that he has $400 million cash. Meanwhile he defamed her 36 time during jury selection. He did this to himself.

[@wolfiefink]

It even counting the fact he had already had to pay her $5 million for the same reason and STILL kept defaming her

[@eft6775]

Interesting that NY insists he doesn't have the wealth that this court used to justify this obnoxious judgement It's one or the other, it can't be both.

[@givrally7634]

Also, the government taxes a cut from damages and settlements, except in discrimination claims and physical injuries. The more they can award in damages, the more they get !

[@MikeRafiLawyer]

This isn’t accurate. That’s in product liability cases.

[@givrally7634]

@@MikeRafiLawyer I've read on the IRS website that "with the enactment of SBJPA, Public Law 104 -188, Section 1605(a) in 1996, Congress made it clear in IRC § 104(a)(2) that punitive damages are taxable, regardless of the nature of the underlying claim". Would that not apply here ?

[@jamiblack6024]

that’s how all fines should be!

[@TommyRaines]

It wasn't that much because he's rich (allegedly). It's the amount the jury thought would make him stop. Turns out it wasn't enough.

[@MikeRafiLawyer]

Those two things are inherently intertwined. How much money you have and how much money it would take to deter you or two ends of the same spectrum.

[@weepinglilies]

What are you talking about? 5 million wasn’t enough to deter him, but after the 83 million he hasn’t made a single peep attacking Carol or calling her a liar, it did work!

[@TommyRaines]

@@weepinglilies wrong - he was it at again yesterday !

[@weepinglilies]

@@TommyRaines oh I’m sorry, you are right, I missed that he attacked her in Michigan yesterday, I guess he held on for longer than last time, but he can’t help himself, she should sue again.

[@stevenn1940]

​@@TommyRaines the particular court that she'll file suit in *for the third time*; "how many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?"

[@dwayne-k7p]

He defamed her again just the other day too. After he got bonded in the first two judgements. 😊

[@wilfredruffian5002]

I'd say that it was because the judge and jury were carefully selected.

[@shaunward3541]

Why is there no mention of how this woman's past is littered with fraudulent accusations similar to this one she used for attention to sell a book she otherwise wouldn't of sold because she has no actual character worth reading into.

[@MikeRafiLawyer]

Because the video is about how punitive damages work, and not about the underlying facts of the case.

[@abmia77]

LMMFAO.She’s won’t see a dime.

[@NotAnotherDouc-]

Person 1: “person 2 crimed me decades ago” Person 2: “no I didn’t, person 1 is lying” Courts: “well, person 1 has zero evidence and can’t even remember critical details from their own allegations……….” Also courts: “make person 2 pay person 1 a gazillion dollars for saying they didn’t do the thing there is no evidence of”

[@Tabacish]

Lol, Donnie knew this could happen, yet he kept defaming her. FAFO...

[@cisium1184]

@@Tabacish It doesn't sound like you actually understand what defamation is.

[@vibecheck3572]

@@Tabacishdefending yourself from a defamatory false allegation is not defamation

[@Tabacish]

@@vibecheck3572 Lol, you can cry all you want :) Back in reality, Donnie was found guilty and now he's got to pay 83.3M. If he's halfway intelligent he'll STFU about it from now on, but he can't, so he'll get sued again....

[@Tabacish]

@@cisium1184 I do, it's just that @NotAnother... lied about what happend.

[@gregdenson7544]

It was that much money because he didn't learn his lesson and wouldn't STFU after the first time. And now, since he still won't STFU and keeps defaming her after the 2nd loss, we may be going for a third.

[@Cruzeoc101]

So she can make an accusation and he gets fond for defending himself?

[@cynthiashaw45]

5 million wouldn’t stop him so it had to go up. They tried a hand slap and had to go to pimp slap the 2nd time for him to understand he can’t do that.

[@jamebrooke894]

So I wonder how much Kyle Rittenhouse got? Those net works have Billions...so? Did he get 83.3 million??

[@erikwulfrik1934]

Yes he defamed her by saying he didn't do what she was alleging he did to her.

[@yepimhere5413]

The problem is that he was legally liable for what she alleged he did.

[@erikwulfrik1934]

@yepimhere5413 I mean, it was very specifically stated on the jury sheet that they did not find him guilty of SA. They said he was guilty of defamation. Because while being accused of grape he was less than polite about calling her out on her lying about him.

[@godlygamer911]

I don't think you know what defamation is and he did more than just that... You should maybe educate yourself on the topic before you embarrass yourself again in the future

[@erikwulfrik1934]

@godlygamer911 ooo please do go on. Can you show me where he did knowingly and willfully maliciously lie about Carol and in what way it caused her actual damages.

[@godlygamer911]

@@erikwulfrik1934 I don't know why this has to be explained to you. But if you have a cult following of millions that were literally willing to attack the capital building in your name, if you constantly harass and defame a person, those cult followers are going to do the same. And then hopefully you can understand from there how that would lead to a mass loss of wages. Do you know what she used to do? Maybe you'll now understand it further. I'm glad I could educate a trumper, you guys typically don't do well when it comes to education. It's why he says he loves you

[@jfurl5900]

They could fine me that much money too because I don't have any money either. The only difference between me and drumpf is that I don't tell fibs about how much I have.

[@mattrondeau7466]

Apparently being a pathological liar pays very well.

[@Gowidafloman]

Not true, Trump didn't get paid

[@johnadams8371]

Apparently it doesn’t, cuz Trump didn’t get paid.

[@FakestName57]

Keep coping, sweaty

[@mattrondeau7466]

@@FakestName57 Go back to sleep, Simple Jack.

[@robwaters8848]

Oh definitely, Joe Biden, Pelosi, Trump, Newsom, etc.

[@mikecreger9702]

The problem I have with that is that the penalty should be the amount of money she didnt make (damages) because Mr. Trump defamed her. If there were no damages, it was a frivolous lawsuit. I always learned if there were no damages, there is no case.

[@MrMatt3046]

Because it was bull$hite, that's why. He called her a wackjob.

[@wayne4050]

It's because the Orange Buffoon can't keep his gaping KFC hole shut. Keep talking Mara Lardo, keep owing more.

[@orlock5510]

You gonna start crying again princess

[@timbostube2343]

She was a wack job

[@charlespaine987]

Bull sh** ,equal protection under the law ! Your personal wealth should NOT be a factor under legal penilties that is not equal .

[@maggiewakefield875]

The award should also be determined by CREDIBLE EVIDENCE… which was sadly lacking in this case. A liberal jury in a liberal state found Trump guilty, not on he crime itself because there was no evidence, but on the fact that he is Donald Trump and, therefore, must be guilty of something.

[@Dantevonlocke]

Cope a little harder why don't you. Think you're confused about trumps trials too. This one had a jury.

[@stevengreidinger3304]

Trump’s own testimony is what got him. First he said E. Jean Carroll was “not his type.” Then, he confused a picture of her with his ex-wife Marla Maples. 😂

[@timbostube2343]

Truth

[@valeriesmith3218]

The 8 AMENDMENT of the US CONSTITUTION says EXCESSIVE BAIL SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED, NOR EXCESSIVE FINES IMPOSED, NOR CRUEL or UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT INFLICTED.

[@callmeconvay7977]

If Trump is truly a billionaire, as he claims to be, $83M is not a big fucking deal. At all. If you had a thousand dollars, and made a hundred a year, would losing $83 really ruin your life? This fine is far from excessive.

[@James-jq2yh]

It was because he wouldn’t stop, so they made it an amount that would hurt him financially if he continued.

[@FreebirthBoccara]

exaclty. all the people complaining are forgetting this is literally the SECOND defamation suit for the same types of actions and the first time didnt get him to stop.

[@ShojoBakunyu]

She's a lying 304 that said it was a rape fantasy she enjoyed during an interview. The only person defaming her is her. After this Biden and Clinton's victims should all write books and then sue when they deny the accusations.

[@gator066]

All trump did was defend himself from false accusations... how would you feel if some woman said you raped her 30 years ago and you will be sued for anything you say in your defense

[@truetolkienfan8491]

All he said was he wouldn't sleep with her. ​@@FreebirthBoccara

[@allyspawn7910]

He is rich when they want money, but he went broke so many times and has nothing any other day

[@stevewillocks4665]

Stalin would be proud.

[@b0bbyblueyes746]

Saying "I didn't do it" and "she's crazy" (when she doesn't even know what year it happened) is defamation? This whole thing is going to be thrown out on appeal. It's 80+ million because its NYC! Has nothing to do with "fair!"

[@timothy098-b4f]

You realize you’re in a cult, right?

[@b0bbyblueyes746]

@@timothy098-b4f LMFAO, some introspection, how is it that most left believing crazies project what they're doing onto those who see what they're doing, even Gov. orgs and MSM's. Stay blind, ignore US LAW, go along with the current movement until your caught up the swift tide it brings which historically ends in misery. LMFAO "I'm in a cult" LMFAO I'm a DEM. LMFAO I'm in a cult lol

[@b0bbyblueyes746]

@@timothy098-b4f She doesn't even know what year this so-called crime happened, did YOU watch any of the trial? No evidence of anything "0" they changed the statue of limitations for 1 years just for this case, who's in a cult? I used to be Dem, now how could anyone be!

[@argh432]

​@@timothy098-b4fYou realize it is you in a fascist cult right? E Jean carol could not give any evidence on when anything happened. It was she who defamed Trump.

[@Molon_Labe1776]

Yeah, if that's a case.... Why does tge government hand out slap on the wrist fines to large corporations when they break the law?

[@scottaaker5534]

It's absurd and horrifying to think courts can do this over nothing

[@gavinriley5232]

She accused him of rape. He claimed he never raped her. The court agreed that he never raped her. She sues him for defamation? The court awards her a bunch of money.

[@Draconis-hs8bo]

So, problem, the jury didn't find that he defamed her, the judge decided he defamed her, without a trial, and this trial was on damages only.

[@kpro8908]

It’s not a problem; Trump was found liable for defamation in the first round of jury verdicts issued back on May 9, 2023. Trump *requested* the separate damages trial, he wanted this.

[@markmyers4573]

They decided he defamed her in the first trial she won. When he went out on the Courthouse steps and immediately repeated that defamation following the first trial, it made the 2nd trial much simpler.

[@bokhans]

Draco is-hs8bo don’t have the facts. Watching fox gives you propaganda and no facts. 🤦‍♂️

[@hydralisk3534]

Jury already decided he defamed her in a previous trial. He just couldn’t keep his mouth shut and kept doing it

[@XrayTheMyth23]

thats what happens when you repeat offend, the judges usually arent as generous as to deter you. Trump has by all accounts gotten massive favoritism from the legal system. Compare his punishment vs the Jan 6 insurrectionists. He then goes and complains and says he’s being targeted when he hasnt faced a single punishment up to this point lol.

[@m2useinu]

Speeding tickets and other such violations of the law should be correlated to the person's income also

[@spiro190]

Imagine how wealthy Trump would be if he sued everyone who defamed him.

[@orlock5510]

Awe, buttercup you ok?

[@emilywilson967]

Not very. It's not defamation if it's true.

[@BuzryHaproMandalorianHunter]

He’d be poorer the a church mouse for all the false filings he’d be forced to pay for.

[@BlueDauntless]

Too bad there’s a cap and she won’t see anything close to that figure. Assuming appeals fail.

[@MikeRafiLawyer]

There is no cap on punitive damages in defamation when the acts were intentional.

[@Yaboidavey]

She accused him on some thing. He said "no i didnt". She said she could prove it and brought the supposed dress that was worn. But the dress style wasnt in production until years after. But now she gets to sue for defamation? She lied.... She got caught.... Now she gets money for being a bad person?

[@Justmekpc]

Liar you didn’t pay attention to the case

[@ursafan40]

​@@JustmekpcNo, you didn't. She produced not one bit of verifiable, credible evidence. Exculpatory evidence was not allowed. Trump got convicted solely on the word of a nutjob who accused 6 other men of rape in her lifetime. It's people like you that are destroying our justice system. People so filled with hate they don't care about evidence. You support tyranny, but you are so filled with liberal propaganda you don't realize what monsters you have all become

[@stevengreidinger3304]

The court case is public information. Read up, sport, then you’ll know what you’re saying doesn’t match.

[@Independentfellow]

Actually instead of saying “I didnt rape her, I wouldnt rape anybody” he said “I wouldnt rape her because I dont find her presently attractive enough to rape.” And then proceeded to defame her enough as to be awarded damages. And he keeps running his mouth defaming her.

[@warmwomyn]

Punitives to MAKE IT HURT.

[@J.R.Spencer]

I want someone to help me understand how he could be accused of defaming her after she falsely accused him of rape...

[@quesoblanco444]

She didn't falsely accuse him. Trump was found guilty.

[@thewrongguy1]

Because the court really, really hated trump.

[@quesoblanco444]

Trump was convicted. He's guilty. He literally boasted about how he gets away with assaulting women.

[@martinkalum910]

I think it because he also said she lied about the sexualt assuelt. Which he was found guilty of in civil court. And keep saying it. Originaly he only lost 5 mil. I think but keep saying it. So they got back in court And the judge was not happy that trump contienue after having lost the case. So he Git alot of punitative damages

[@J.R.Spencer]

@@martinkalum910 isn't a false rape accusation slander?

[@confusedcaveman6611]

It's directly proportional to how much the ny court system hates him

[@dontwitty1656]

The amount was what the jury thought, it would take, this self called billionaire, to stop, they hit him in his wallet

[@timandaya3101]

He has assets that can be liquidated, regardless of how much "money" he has, his level of wealth is based on his all of his assets.

[@vibecheck3572]

How can you find someone guilty of defamation for denying an unproven accusation?

[@JohnTheRevelat0r]

A jury of the people thought he was guilty. Welcome to American justice.

[@SuperTripleO]

He was found liable of sexual assault. Plus when you blabber on and on about how you’ve never met and there are pics of you with said person it’s not very convincing. Especially when you’re a stable genius who claims to have the best memory of probably anybody! lol, the clown can’t shut his mouth, that’s how you’re found guilty and that’s how he will be found guilty in every trial he faces. Give your cult leader some money on his books so he can get them SOUPS. How long before trump gets his commissary stolen?lol

[@jimbrown4640]

How do you defame a liar?

[@curtisrichards8369]

It's called unreasonable fines.

[@nyclear]

Itw not unreasonable when the $5m fine stopped him from defaming his rape victim for about 1 hour. Thats how it works, the fine needs to be a deterrent

[@Justheory11b]

​@@nyclearhe never raped her. And since you are big on defaming how much should you have to pay for defaming Trump over false rape charges?

[@jeffbrammer1082]

It's supposed to be enough to get him to stop. Even after that he couldn't stop himself saying something.

[@mysteryshrimp]

It was also the second defamation case. 5 million apparently wasn't enough.

[@mikevignola4213]

In your world I'm sure that you ignore that he continued defaming her after the trial.

[@mysteryshrimp]

@@mikevignola4213 Not ignoring that. Also not ignoring that he's now back on his talking points again after the second trial, too. I did mean that $5 million wasn't enough to get him to stop defaming her.

[@singhmastr]

​@@mysteryshrimpif you don't want your comment to come off as you calling a Jean Carrol a greedy bitch, you should change it up then.

[@mikevignola4213]

@@mysteryshrimp nobody ever said Trump learned from his mistakes, he almost always doubles down on everything.

[@SweetLotusDreams]

@@mikevignola4213i think he is psychologically incapable of admitting any wrong doing. He would have crisis if he even tried.

[@bobdecarlo7778]

Doesn’t E Jean have a history of sexual asault cases?? Anybody??

[@jpmusick]

Hahaha. Even though New York state law says that it can't be that high. I can't wait for that ruling to get overturned.

[@Maybe_Tom_Cruise]

I can't wait is such a weird way to put it 😂😂

[@johnadams8371]

lol ….keep waiting.

[@jpmusick]

This ruling will most likely get overturned at the state level before it has a chance to get to the federal level. DJT wins again. Lol

[@Maybe_Tom_Cruise]

@@jpmusick What will be overturned? The ruling or the punitive damages?Jurors are typically unaware of punitive damage caps when they determine punitive damages. If they award over the cap, it gets adjusted in line with the law, but it doesn't just negate the trial or damages. Regardless, AFAIK New York doesn't have punitive damage caps, so it's unlikely they'll be overturned. Even if the punitive damages were to be deemed excessive, he's still on the hook for almost 19 million dollars in compensatory damages at minimum.

[@voskresenie-]

​@@Maybe_Tom_Cruise which totally discredits all those people who claimed she was just out making false allegations for fame and money. completely

[@FunctioningAdult]

And he went right back out and did it again.

[@mrbigberd]

Isn't this the woman who said "I have the dress" then produced a dress that wasn't manufactured until years after the alleged incident?

[@godlygamer911]

It's the same man whose biggest defense was that she wasn't his type instead of denying it😂

[@neilcanton8661]

​@@godlygamer911 Then Trump miss identified her as his Ex-wife. So apparently she was his type. Shit my mouth another Trump lie?? Who would believe honest Donnie J would be disingenuous?

[@vibecheck3572]

@@godlygamer911she was 52 at the time

[@mattvoelker241]

@@godlygamer911 Thats the same mindset as "Trump didn't denounce white supremacy in the debates" when the same man asked the same question 3-4 years before on the same stage(2016 election debate).

[@godlygamer911]

@@vibecheck3572 how old do you think he was?

[@melp7614]

The bigger Q is, why was she awarded anything? In the initial case, she charged him w/rape & claimed he penetrated her with his p3nis. The jury specifically answered no to whether she proved rape, didn't find him guilty of SA & only found him guilty of s3x abuse which, in NY, basically means unwanted touching. So when he later said she made up the story, r3pe didn't happen, he didn't defame her per they jury. The award amount is an attempt to squash 1A rights as her attorneys stated they wanted an award that would make him stop saying he never met her & didn't assault her. I don't like Trump, but that should frighten everyone! He has a right to disagree w/the verdict & does that. This whole case should frighten everyone!

[@kpepperl319]

Especially if that person keeps bragging about what a great billionaire he is 😅

[@bionicman1921]

$88.3 million dollars ....$ 5 million first trial......$83.3 million in second trial....for a total $88.3 million dollars.......you don't have your facts straight.......

[@gregwhorton8718]

He went out of his way to try and humiliat her thats why

[@gam3kid]

For the record Donald Trump walked away from his Presidency having lost wealth as opposed to everyone else who gained wealth while in office.

[@cynthiashaw45]

His son in law made 2 billion for working with the Saudi government right after leaving a job in Trump’s cabinet with Saudi Arabia as his focus. Trump crime family is always on the grift. How much do you think trump got for the classified information he stole and now can’t find on Russia? FBI raided his home knowing he had those documents and never found them. Trump needs to go to court and you need to wake up. Your candidate is a traitor and a thief.

[@cesariglesias297]

For what record? Why was the reason Trump hid his Tax Returns for so long? Donald reported making more than $1.6 billion in outside revenue and income during his four years. When Trump failed to separate himself from his businesses-and in fact used the presidency to increase his business earnings-he made it clear that his top priority was his personal profits.. You buy his golden $ 399 sneakers to show your wisdom?

[@Dantevonlocke]

Sure he did. Whatever you need to believe. All that money he charged the secret service to stay at his gawdy ass hotels so he could golf

[@cynthiashaw45]

He made up not taking that salary with hotel reservations and selling our nations good will and secrets. His son in law got 2 billion from the Saudis after working in the white house with a focus on Saudi Arabia. Trump needs court. We have evidence he needs to hear and answer for.

[@AnteaterOne]

How do you know that. He refused to reveal his faith. Trump’s word is meaningless. What he lost is the value of his brand, which many found offensive.

[@dianarockwell6256]

Don’t forget the fact that he did it on a national basis. Normally defamation is a much closer locale. She is a public figure herself as an author. He has been a public figure most of his life running scams, and defrauding people in the course of every day business. He went public with his defamation so the effect was a much wider network, making the damage worse for the person being defamed.

[@elenadelavega2861]

All penalties should be proportional to the wealth of the offender

[@bokhans]

So poor people should not be punished at all?

[@gregbarnes4083]

@@bokhans You should pay proportional to your asset wealth, the country Finland has a really good implementation; where a speeding ticket is a base fine + 1 to 7 days net income equivalent based on speed over the limit. The more egregious the crime the higher the penalty. Makes it bad/impactful for both poor people and rich people.

[@IdiotDoomSpiral69]

​@@bokhansIf you only have $100 to your name, losing even $10 is going to be pretty noticeable when it may be the difference in eating or not. Proportional fines still affect the poor, whereas the current system rarely affects the rich.

[@bluesbrother2383]

​@bokhans if you make a million dollars a year and lose half you're going to be alright, if you make 50k a year and lose half you're fucked

[@godlygamer911]

​@@bokhansI'm so glad everybody else in this comment section was able to explain this to you.

[@valeriesmith3218]

SO NOW anyone That says SHE is a KOOK And A LIAR She can Sue them for MILLIONS!!!

[@callmeconvay7977]

If they're referring to her rape allegations and they attack her character in the process yes. That's what defamation is - a false and inflammatory statement that harms the public image of the victim. Would they all be sued for millions? Of fucking course not idiot, it's the concept known as *proportionality* - do equal damage. If Trump is a billionaire as he claims, $83M is the same as $83 to someone who has $1,000. The damages fine would slide on that scale based on the wealth of the defamer.

[@dominicmassaconi6160]

Violated the 8th amendment rights..FJB

[@markmyers4573]

And if he inflated his wealth, that's on his fraudulent self.

[@J.R.Spencer]

Trump and the financial experts agreed mar-lago was worth 17 million the judge is the one that declared it wasn't. Is your TDS really so severe you can't admit this is just a continuation of the last 7 plus years of accusations trying to get rid of him? Seems they wouldn't really be that afraid of him running for president if Biden really got those 81 million votes doesn't it?

[@pete6769]

Yep…supposedly!

[@CUBuffnSD]

It was a judge not a jury

[@Tokai134]

Except that it was a jury verdict.

[@Gowidafloman]

​@@Tokai134It was a judge I'm the snowflake's altreality!

[@MikeRafiLawyer]

Too many cases, I can see why you could get easily confused. It was a jury.

[@xandermorehouse9758]

​@@MikeRafiLawyercan you do a short on summary judgement? I apologize if you already have and I've missed it

[@cynthiashaw45]

The first 5 million case was a judge decision because that is what trump wanted. The 83.3 million came from a jury of his peers. They had to withhold the identity of that jury because giving protection to 14 jurors and their families is expensive and dangerous. Death threats are real. Trump is a thug.

[@Mewhenifinalltgetallthebugs]

Why arent all fines directly proportional to how much money the criminal has?

[@Justheory11b]

Do you want the government to have that kind of power? Don't you see how easy that would be to abuse?