Punt or No Punt?! 500NL Zoom Edition with BenaBadBeat! 'This is a One in a BILLION Hand!'

[@BenjaminRaven]

Results of the 53dd: Villain folded 77!

[@MarkorikYe]

Hey ben in the 53 hand would u ever get to this river with 33-55,im assuming they are raised some freq on flop vs this sizing,and then on the turn if u decide to raise they have 2 outs to improve which is kinda "best draw" u gonna have in this spot if u are repping only 2x?

[@minimon3000]

I don't even think it's a disaster lol, assuming he's gonna call some Ax if he's a gto reg and presumably he calls AK,Q,J,5,4 of diamonds and folds the others? Or at least mixes with them. Would much prefer 45dd tbf because we don't have 23s full frequency so A3 less likely to call(3d not great blocker)

[@G0DofRock]

LOL XD

[@krilller6911]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@minimon3000agree, we block villians best BC, besides Kd and Qd. But we cant have those. We have 23dd full freq no? If not enlighten me. Seems good! No punt! /love2punt

[@knowlestoo]

Nick shows just how corrosive some ill-conceived range thinking is. 88 (rivered set hand) maybe the top of hero's range but it's still a fold if villain doesn't bet, 3-bet enough worse hands. So what if we are always folding in this spot. We will never see it again and if, by some cosmic fluke, the universe does dish out the same run out and action and hand for hero, it'll be a different opponent who won't know anything about this hand and won't be able to discern anything from seeing this hand in this video. I love BenaBadBeat's approach as shown in the last hand. It is so perfectly right that villain will be sat there going "This guy's an idiot, he so obviously has a 2" all those times he doesn't have a 2 himself. Finding bluffs in the 'he's never bluffing' spots and telling the correct story throughout the whole hand is a rare skill. Really enjoyed this one.

[@eastyyy22]

Hey Benjamin, thanks for this! Glad you enjoyed it. The 88 is just one of those hands where we know exactly what's going on but feel like we have to call. I have to say that I think no punt is generous given the thought processes I offer after watching this back. The 53dd Ben describes as the 'ultimate whale level', and while its creative and has a good shot of achieving the result we're after, it's still super questionable. Ben himself is really not a fan of it! Appreciate you watching and giving some feedback.

[@ummareli2791]

poker is ultimately about playing your averages (this is why we don't care when we get AK in preflop and lose to T5o). thus, remarking "We will never see it again and if, by some cosmic fluke..." is useless. there are many reasons not to play a theoretical style, but this is not one of them. to play a theoretical style is not to aim to be unexploitable in some exact spot just in case the same situation were to arise multiple times, but is to aim to be unexploitable in some given spot on average....

[@listamon]

You obviously don’t understand any of this

[@FefeLeVrai]

The only punt I see is the first hand. Problem with herocalling maniac whales with ace high is that they can show up with some ridiculous bottom pair hand. These guys are the masters of the value bluff, since their strategy is basically "they checked to me, so I'm betting range".

[@eastyyy22]

Yeah we agree on first hand, but not the last one if you're saying no punt haha.

[@FefeLeVrai]

@@eastyyy22 Yep, I'm saying no punt in the last one. Plug it in a solver, I'm betting on GTO. Maybe not with these specific suits but definitely with 53 hearts or 53 spades. Obviously this would rely on opponent not being a total whale and actually being able to fold an ace.

[@BenjaminRaven]

I can see why the 53dd looks ok, and actually, having now run it, it isn't the absolute worst. I should be overbetting the turn though rather than x/r, and villain shouldn't really ever be using a 1bb bet ott, so naturally we enter a very dubious node. I guess my line is okish, but let's be honest (and fair to nick), it's still a punt! Especially if it's the first time you've ever seen it haha

[@BenjaminRaven]

oh god, here we go

[@eastyyy22]

Don't think you'll be generating many folds after this one mate.

[@steburnst]

yeaahhhhhhhhh

[@liveslowlivesimple]

love the videos with ben (and all the content in general). keep it going nick!

[@eastyyy22]

Thanks Chris, I love making them! Next video with him is my punts, should be a good one!

[@NikNik-jr1vm]

Another great video, thank you Nick (& Ben!)

[@eastyyy22]

Thanks Nikki! Yeah the last hand is special haha. Glad you enjoyed.

[@no.1fan284]

You're. ONE in a BILLION streamer /content creator. Thank you!!!

[@joshuasnajdar9474]

Last time I was this early nick was on a heater

[@eastyyy22]

Last year?

[@samuelmelchione8586]

Last hand is hysterical I almost thought it was bean playing 500nl for a minute. Amazing the extra layers of analysis and theory that goes into 500nl a lot of the same stuff but yet it goes so much deeper things I never thought about

[@eastyyy22]

It's definitely an interesting one! We had a good laugh reviewing it as you can tell haha. Even though it might not be super relevant to our stakes, it's always great to think on a higher level for improvement purposes. Glad you liked it mate!

[@dazzbfmv]

Absolute quality. The 53s had was epic!

[@eastyyy22]

Cheers mate! He really did bring the goods to this one haha.

[@j.hurley5510]

The 53 hand is the best in the series so far, fucking class The "So you're telling me you're trying to get him to fold Ax?" Ashamed Ben - "Yep"

[@eastyyy22]

Hahaha I really enjoyed that part too. The thumbnail pictures are actually our reactions to that.

[@marcobendia1510]

Found your channel a few days ago, great stuff...thanks from Italy!

[@eastyyy22]

Thanks a lot Marco! Glad you like it.

[@coolbeans8682]

Ben is a great guest! You do well with this show, NIck! Keep em coming

[@eastyyy22]

Will do mate, some huge ones coming up!

[@Demondoink1]

I like the 53dd hand fwiw. I dont see how the hand is a punt, we simply have to find some bluffing combos to balance out our quads. This combo seems as good as any. Very good bluff, and a well earned fold otr!

[@eastyyy22]

Hey man, thanks for stopping by! Ben tilted me towards punt before I'd even seen it because he thought it was so bad! I think he hates it less than he did then, and so do I!

[@Demondoink1]

@@eastyyy22 hey mate, no problem! haha yeah i know, these kinda hands can look very punty on the face of it, but when we consider that we need to balance out our value betting range with some bluffs, then it becomes very difficult to visualise 'good' bluffing combos. so i think basically any time we bluff this line, it can look punty haha, simply because our bluffs will basically have no blockers to value and will usually be 6/5 high.

[@mannykang498]

on the last hand, i think it wasnt mentioned but ben could have a straight flush as well as quads, if hes raising 53s on the flop i assume hed raise 54s ?

[@eastyyy22]

Can't see why not mate! Seems worth saying for sure. Thanks for watching!

[@victorc196]

Love the last spot since theres so much nuance involved. I'd imagine if Bena checks river, villain has to check some Ax (or should he bet super high freq?). Also, does Bena have 33 or 54h. I would think 54h but idk about 33 turn raise. Can Bena jam some Ax on river too? If villain tanked with 77, maybe that’d be a good exploit.

[@chesscoachgerry4140]

Nice! Already been waiting for this :)

[@eastyyy22]

Hope you like it!

[@chesscoachgerry4140]

@@eastyyy22 I did! Great format and love to have a 500z player on the show! Agree with you that 88 is no punt because as you say he can do that with worth sets ... and i think even the last one is cloes on these stakes - when people are capable of folding an A your bluff isnt that bad and as you say, we can have a bunch of 2x here - not a play i would make on smaller stakes though :D Ben defenitely has some big balls pulling out these bluffs ;D

[@bernardocaula371]

lol Ben is a sicko thats for sure, great PONP episode

[@maxhdr]

One of the best poker hand analysis vid i've seen, and lmao the last hand was so sick, that's some next level leveling lol, do not attempt at low stakes tho 😅.

[@eastyyy22]

Thanks man! Really glad you enjoyed it. I think next week will be even better with mostly Ben talking! The last hand is truly heroic, the ultimate whale level indeed! Good to see you subbed, thanks a lot!

[@maxhdr]

@@eastyyy22 No prob man, your making quality poker content, plus vids with Ben are the nuts. Wish i could say see you on the table but I'm french 😅

[@galelazic478]

Just watching this video, I do not think the last hand was that horrible. I mean it is not just the relevence of 2d being blocked with 53dd which is the best blocker for 2d, the 3d is also very relevant imo. You guys did not really talk about 33 being a better full house now. AA222 < 22333 and we are blocking 33, we are blocking 2d. As far as a better bluff I do not know if you can really find a better one. Also straight flush is on the board, so there is a handfull of combos that do beat an A here, 33, 45h and any 2. If you are gonna bluff, I think this is a sick hand to do it with.

[@eastyyy22]

Fair enough! Ben does not agree 😅

[@galelazic478]

@@eastyyy22 I have full respect for Ben and the content you guys have provided is probably the most valuable and most entertaining poker content I have seen in years. I think we can all conclude that the 500z crusher is probably correct here lmao 🤣 I just really think it is pretty creative and good bluff. I want to believe Nick, let me believe.

[@Johnny-cz2wv]

Yea seems fine to me as well; most regs would just fold the river a bunch with an Ace. I know I would, facing a xr xr jam 180% on a super locked up board. It's just so hard to find enough bluffs

[@NikNik-jr1vm]

Yay Punt Lounge

[@eastyyy22]

Welcome Ben to the Punt Lounge!

[@poisonsword122]

That 88 hand, think i'm preparing a bucket and then just call and immediantly throwing up, knowing that it's always a straight. As You both said, he's a rec. (aggro.) player and after that You said that he knows that You don't have AA and TT. It's pretty obv. for us but for him- even if it's immposible- we can have AA and TT. Reason because is that he is a rec. player so he have no idea that top of our range are 88. It means that he assumed that we can have all the monster hands as long with AA and 1010. The only thing we can do is to choose smaller sizing of raising river (not much smaller), coz we still want to have call by combo of 65 and any other two pairs. With that sizing of raise on the river I think rec. player still gonna have some troubles to call down their lowest two pair's and if we raise a little bit smaller on the river, we might also get 3bet but not a shove and this will clearly show us that they just have the nuts- in long term we're going to lose less money. Still, that procces of thinking is sooo much leveling, witch always comes to that spot where they always have the nuts. After read what i wrote i still making a call and fill my bucket xD "Great content. Keep up the good work"- if you remember what You had on that 10 4 9 (10 and 9 was a fd) board, when i 3bet You pre from SB i would love to get an answer ;p Turn was K and then You bet big, on the flop You raised me

[@eastyyy22]

Hey man! I think prepare bucket > call > throw up is a solid line here! You're right that he doesn't know what the top of our range is here and that's definitely a factor that makes us what to say punt here and fold so much. I think against the specific hand he has, going smaller is fine. But against all his hands, including a lot of 2 pairs we want max value from, it's not as good. I do remember the hand! Was recent if I remember and we were very deep right? I had 99 here, thought you would have checked the stream! What did you have? Thanks for watching!

[@poisonsword122]

@@eastyyy22 didn't know that you streaming, so next time i will def. :) I had QQ

[@borisvakarelski4083]

Life's hard when you are OOP.

[@eastyyy22]

Ain't that the truth.

[@steburnst]

immediately a call down...

[@eastyyy22]

Literally never getting anything through again, fair play to him.

[@eastyyy22]

He had to include a call down for ste though, and he shouts you out!

[@steburnst]

@@eastyyy22 fucking great stuff. love it. if you go 0-5 i'm popping a bottle of champagne. also re the 88 hand, THAT is some 500z privilege on show

[@EffectLT]

why SBvBB w KJo not 4 bet pre flop?

[@eastyyy22]

I imagine it will be in Ben's range at some frequency, but certainly not all the time.

[@ds54ds5sd5sd5]

51:28 : D

[@eastyyy22]

Love watching this hand back!

[@connormawer6775]

having AQ probably the same as AA without heart on the first one

[@connormawer6775]

by the river

[@rbkrbk7166]

Ben is biggest luckbox in 500z. Very easy talking about being calm when u running above EV 90% of time

[@BenjaminRaven]

i heard he's on a 2 million hand heater. confirm/deny?

[@roberthofmann2723]

@@BenjaminRaven Global warming I guess

[@karatekid4599]

Thanks for bringing in such a high caliber player, I liked the video, but I felt like you chose a bit bad format for it, as you end up doing more talking/analising than Ben.

[@eastyyy22]

Well it is my channel after all! And I did 2 other videos with Ben where he does most of the talking.

[@karatekid4599]

Yeah, but if you have a privilege of HS player to get on your video, I think the best bet by you is to let him talk as much as possible and share his knowledge, as he’s probably won’t be doing it every other day

[@eastyyy22]

@@karatekid4599 This is my favourite series to make and it's not every day I get to review a 500z player so if less people want to watch it then I'm totally fine with that.

[@ervinxhemali667]

I think 88 hand Is an easy fold

[@eastyyy22]

Maybe mate!

[@ervinxhemali667]

@@eastyyy22 maybe in televisione they can bluff thst hand, but online Is everytine a straight, he can also have 7-4

[@alexanderlawrence2948]

first!

[@eastyyy22]

Ayyy, thanks man!