Pushing Portra 800 +1 Stop

[@ThePJMcConnell]

Nice to see you are using AI to write your scripts now!

[@jasongold6751]

I doubt that, I doubt that, I dou tha , I do ,System Failure!

[@王大力-f5y]

@@jasongold67516

[@iamthejtm]

it was the sign off that gave it away.

[@keithparker7412]

I enjoyed how you used a wide aspect ratio for the video since you are using the x-pan. A nice change of pace for the videos, interesting to see things more cinematic!

[@russellvk]

What he said ^

[@ameykarade9432]

+1, same.

[@racqelmusic]

Ditto

[@abdulmoqeetsajjad]

I love how this guy always experiments with aspect ratios in his videos. Btw I love this wider aspect ratio Jason it covers most of the screen of you know modern smartphones

[@404Anymouse]

Great if you enjoy cut rounded corners and camera cutouts in your videos.

[@nev.catalyst7478]

He makes his videos whatever aspect ratio he happens to be shooting on film

[@velarmnt]

@@404Anymouse so cynical for what 😭

[@404Anymouse]

@@velarmntSorry I just have strong hatred for wide aspect ratio displays

[@jonathans.9372]

@@404Anymouse that's if you zoom in, the aspect ratio is perfect for the cursed iphone camera bump

[@skywalkertnc4209]

Can we see portra 800 pushed 5 stops next?

[@yamimimiya]

portra 800 pushed 800 stops

[@totallynotniall9547]

​@@yamimimiyaI might try this on medium format (6x9)

[@Keanu.J]

Are you asking if he can make a video trying it? Or are you asking if you could literally see anything…to which I highly doubt lmaoo

[@dnyc_]

If taken seriously, this question indicates a complete misunderstanding of what pushing film is.

[@brockbruehlman5567]

sounds like a job for attic darkroom

[@nilsschmitt9775]

Sometimes I think I crank out pretty good pics, then I see jasons "bad" shots and rethink my life choices

[@developingtank]

I'm a film noob. Over the last week I've been trying to understand pushing/pulling film, because it's often something that is described as happening in the shooting process instead of the development process. Nice straightforward explanation here and timely content to help me understand this further myself. Great video!

[@y2ktube]

"I've been trying to understand pushing/pulling film" - Yes it is confusing for many. And to clarify it a little bit more, folks need to know that ONCE you make the decision to do either, THE ENTIRE ROLL MUST BE SHOT AT THAT SPEED...

[@moshdeenotabot]

​@@y2ktubegood to know

[@nvrumi]

Good question! Exposure and development go together. The film speed set by the maker is a combination of the stock's sensitivity to light and development. The maker generally sets this so that the contrast of the resulting negative is "reasonable." (Note, there might actually be a quantitative standard I am not aware of.) Deviating from the exposure and development will result in a contrast that is different than the standard. Push too far and there will be no shadow detail. Pull too hard and the same for the highlights. My experience has been that a stop or two is the most you can do and still get decent results. Some stocks handle it better than others. Have fun!

[@RingoCalamity]

Some of the shots in this are among my favourites from your videos, especially the one from 3:25, 8:07 and 8:35. They have that quality that I like in some photos where it feels like you can step right into the frame - there's a real sense of the place. Maybe a benefit of the pano format. Anyway, I love your stuff, it's inspirational.

[@Batou_73]

Those are some of your best shots! The wideangle format really seams to fit your view of the world. And adopting it to your ratio of the vid itself nice twist!

[@skippered2422]

I adore this spot. Used to live in Marin, moved two hours north, got here at 3am once after work to shoot and I've never been more nervous by myself with gear.

[@rashid_alhabsi]

One of my favorite videos yet! Beautiful shots and the new aspect ratio.. 👌🏼

[@SheaStevenson]

I finally get to use my full 21:9 monitor!

[@MrTaali1027]

You’ve made a valid point. Often with digital cameras, there’s a buffer delay when capturing images. With analog cameras, you can shoot images as fast you can manually advance the film. Me personally, I enjoy those situations were you have to rapidly cycle the capture-advance movements. It’s more fulfilling than hold the shutter down on burst with digital cameras.

[@WHIPFLASH2]

Love the new aspect ratio on this 🔥

[@bodhigilroy]

I really like the on location filmmaking. The wide angle lends to the feeling of being there. They also feel like they have some Wes Anderson influence.

[@annaisamazing11]

Not only are these my favourite film shots of yours, but also the cinematography this video?? Nailed it

[@ckhicks]

That turn and smile after shooting the two people walking 😂😂

[@gusatvoschiavon]

High iso at the day and low iso at night is the mood

[@alibar101]

I can't get over how insane your colours are dude! So good

[@apfitz]

I love the underexposed shots because that's my type of photography. I'm really into dark photos.

[@jeffknol1556]

Yo: love this content. One camera. One Film Stock. Great location. Thanks for making this and feel free to do more videos like this.

[@someonewithsomename]

Cinestill 800 is a Vision3 500iso film cross-processed with c41. So it makes total sense, that Portra800 could be Vision2 500iso film. Also, in my experience, you can push film with ECN-2 processor much more, than in c41. I prefer Vision3@1000iso over Portra800@800/1600

[@thesecretlifeofmichal]

Finally an aspect ratio for my 3440x1400 monitor. 8:30 truly is awesome, but I think you nailed most of them.. Job well done.

[@danienelphoto]

C41 process generally isn't great for uprating or downrating. I worked as a pro for a good number of years in the late 90s and early 00s in film, so I have a fair bit of experience. Portra NC 160 didn't do too badly rated +1 stop. E6 actually did a bit better on Kodak E100S for pushing and pulling. Black and white owns the push and pull space. I love the pano aspect ratio, and your shots are really not bad on this roll!

[@john_murch]

Have shot many rolls of Portra 800 at night hand-held at 3200 with great results. Actually it's the only color negative film that can handle that level of push processing very well with great results. Lomo 800 is a close second.

[@qhgabriel1]

Do you have examples online of the 3200 shots somewhere? Would love to see your results!

[@wondercivic566]

I’m so glad I watched this in my phone. Love the aspect ratio

[@a_paradise_bird]

what lens did you use for filming. it looks so good

[@kennyminor506]

Some kind of anamorphic by the looks of it. Probably surui or vazen. There are also projector setups that can be had for relatively little dollars.

[@Mutantelamadrid]

also wanna know what lens is. looks hawt

[@BeerForTim]

That shot of the bridge with the busted dock on the left ( at 5:03 ) is sick! EDIT - 6:23 is sick too!

[@ZaneGage]

Love the more artsy format of this video!

[@Quetzalcoatl0]

Thank you for not putting fake black bars and let the player do its job. Gotta love a fully filled 21:9 monitor with video!

[@afrojones7478]

The photo at 4:10 is really great actually, the super wide lens, the composition, the lighting and shadows. i would be smiling ear to ear if i took that photo, sure theres a little extra grain, but it gives it a sort of retro vibe. Don't be too hard on yourself man.

[@michaeld387]

The work you make with the xpan is really compelling. I can stop looking at the shots you make with it.

[@y2ktube]

"the xpan is really compelling" - Yes, but too bad that the camera's meter handles so poorly the bright-sky-with-subject-in-open-shade conditions. The xPan is Auto metering in a manner that is creating a Back Light situation; hence the badly underexposed foreground main subjects. - Jason should have instead checked with a meter HOW FAR OFF the xPan was reading the Open Shade areas. - PUSHING the film also exacerbated the poor metering & results by the xPan...

[@petrub27]

My understanding is that pushing our pulling refers to automatic or semiautomatic modes for exposure. If you use manual mode, then you are in total control of the exposure. So you can still use iso 800 but overexpose

[@gaarakabuto1]

I shoot concerts on film every now and then. I work part time on a music online magazine ad we do concert reports a lot. Portra 800 sucks. Cinestill 800 sucks too but portra is always unpredictable and always underwhelming. Cinestill is similar but every now and then you get the "Cinestill" photo when the venue's loghts decide to bless you with incredible halos, warm tones and crispy grainy texture. Somehow the most consistent film stock so far is lomo 800. I thought it was some kind of variation of vision film but regardless the case it is a lot more consistent than the rest and it seems to be fine pushing it up to two stops. Of course you hope just for half of the pictures to be usable from colours alone but that's the best you get from all three of them.

[@mynewcolour]

I have a feeling that Lomo 800 is maybe Fuji Superia x-tra (RIP). I have shot bricks of that and it’s grainy but 😘👌

[@gaarakabuto1]

@@mynewcolour That explains a lot.

[@chilecayenne]

Another fun video!! With all the news reports on TV about photographers getting mugged around the GG bridge area and having their equipment stolen, I'd have been MORE than nervous about having a $6K+ Hassy XPan with me down in that area. Glad nothing happened!! See you next time! CC

[@ZaneGage]

Jason's attitude towards film and photography, mostly ambivalent and indefinite, make a great analogue to how film operates as a medium for capturing reality, mostly ambivalent and indefinite. It's a crazy head-canon once you see it!

[@l.k.9459]

Did you shoot this on an anamorph!??? I love the look. Alsooo that wide aspect ratio in an xpan video is something you just have to appreciate.

[@raphaelgehlhar3268]

Was gonna ask the same thing

[@Lets-Take-Pictures]

At 2:02 the flare is definitely squeezed, I’d say it’s either a true anamorphic lens or an anamorphic adapter on a normal lens. Gotta love the whole “well, I’m shooting the X-Pan today, I guess I’d better get an anamorphic lens for my video camera”

[@DPer4mance]

The difference between this stock being 500 ISO for cinema use and 800 ISO for stills comes from the development process. The ECN2 process needs more light/makes the film less sensitive. C41 on the other hand requires a bit less exposure.

[@wallyang]

I really only shoot 800 (sort of color in general) on medium format so the grain “problems” are not nearly as severe as you’d see on 35mm. Contrast punch added in push processing I think works great for the film, but the color shifts can for sure be unruly. It’s never been unrecoverable

[@jasongold6751]

Some really great photos! Nice to see a camera with lens and no survival bag, that can be used for shelter. Bravo.

[@VariTimo]

Meter for the shadows with a reflective meter like the one in your camera because that where middle grey is 90% of the time. Especially with color negative film. I have shot Portra 800 without push processing it at 1600 and got better results by just metering right. This is not an issue with the film or pushing it a stop.

[@jpjast5739]

This portra needs more light than it’s box speed. What that means is people usually overexpose it, so it can get good results but you need to adjust your exposure setting. Something like start at +.5 a stop as it’s native iso and THEN push.

[@y2ktube]

"needs more light" - Yup. Add to that the camera's poor Auto exposure metering. The bright-sky-with-subject-in-open-shade conditions is not easy for a "POINT & SHOOT" $4,000 camera. The xPan is Auto metering in a manner that is creating a Back Light situation; hence the badly underexposed foreground main subjects. Plus add to that, PUSHING the film exacerbated the poor metering...

[@piketubeman]

Gosh Jason, finally a video thats the right aspect ratio for my phone 🙄 (for people that don't understand humor, this is a gest)

[@four_tay8986]

The pano aspect ratio is super dope.

[@harrisonboyland4272]

Recently pushed Lomo 800 +1 and there was way less color shifting. I was stunned how true to life the colors were. Could have been the lab, but regardless I dug it and will be doing it again.

[@Jakejackson1980]

Amazing video as always jason, easily the best and most consistent photography youtuber

[@TheStudiolight]

I think pushed is good when shooting with the light. Or better said with the direction of the light. If shot into the light then, yeah, will be muddy. Love this video.

[@Matheus_tannus]

Insane quality man, love the use of the aspect ratio and the scenes in general.

[@thereAREtoomanyspirits]

absolutely love the aspect ratio for this one

[@scottbrennan3262]

I push Portra 800 one stop frequently. It is important to meter for the shadows and like most films over expose 1/2 stop to tame the grain. Porta 800 produces rich, warm blacks. I would use an external light meter rather than the one in the camera.

[@MetallicOatmeal]

I came for the xpan photos. I stayed for the anamorphic video 😍 Wonderful video as usual.

[@andrewjohnson4728]

Thank you Jason. Awesome photos as always

[@razijukes9435]

JASON what lens were you using?????? it had to be an anamorphic right?

[@kevlarnegative]

Thank you for this episode. Love your work.

[@JaimeGFX]

can never get enough of that camera tbh

[@DeeRosa]

Is he still doing the dew?

[@ggill1313]

yeah man what the fuck where is the dew

[@woutdezeeuw1604]

That's a gorgeous viewpoint at 7:06, I'd love to paint that.

[@wolacm]

I guess Aerochrome is coming back boiss! No flaming Mountain Dew this time!

[@willemdirks1543]

shoot at 1000 or 1250 when in difficult lighting should solve most of your issues. Could be interpreted as metering more for the shadows, but you get the point.

[@willemdirks1543]

Okay I posted this before I watched the end of the video. Keep it up!

[@SweetLouPhotography]

The broll video lens is very nice, it's making me feel things lol

[@AeromaticXD]

Congrats on hitting 200k subscribers!!

[@logangiraffe]

Dude that first shot was awesome. Print worthy 100%

[@Francois_L_7933]

It's probably perfect for concert photography. With the lighting effects, you just don't give a hoot about color shifts. And besides, it's not very different from what the Fuji 1600 was.

[@joepphoto]

Loving the new aspect ratio my dude.

[@KeeeeenW]

OK. When I was dumb and young, I used 35mm Portra 800 with my Olympus Mju point-and-shoot without thinking too much about the price. But nowadays, I only buy Portra 400 for my Leica M6 because 800 is too expensive lol. As for experiments, I pushed +2 for 3 rolls of Ektars before and the lesson was do NOT push +2 for Ektar.

[@VariTimo]

Portra 800 was released in 1998 and unlike Portra 160 and 400, it hasn’t fundamentally been updated since its release. If it’s based on Vision technology, which is stated nowhere by Kodak but sure looks like it, then it’s based of the original Vision technology from the 90s. Which is also very much in line with the overall look of the film. If it was Vision2 than the skin tones would be visibly more yellow just like Vision3 skin tones are perfectly balanced with just the right amount of magenta. But Portra 800 has the deep brown skin tones of the original Vision line. Just look at Jackie Brown which was shot entirely on Vision 5279 (500T) and gives strong Portra 800 vibes. The original Vision line also had an 800T variant (5289) which’s curves aren’t too dissimilar from Portra 800 just like Vision3 250D and 500T aren’t too dissimilar from Portra 400. But all that is ball ass speculation anyway since Kodak supposedly was fiercely separating the motion and still sides from one another from fear of industrial espionage. Don’t know if that went so far as to not share technologies though. Also a one stop push really ain’t pushing Portra 800 to the limit, it can handle shooting at 1600 without a change in processing time just fine. Pushing to 6400 is where Kodak doesn’t provide curves anymore.

[@LaskyLabs]

Something I appreciate about it being based on an older Vision stock is that everything else is more saturated as well. It's really pleasant when the leaves start falling off the trees and changing colors in fall. Portra 160 and 400 are fun, but too neutral for me. But I appreciate the low ISO of 160 and it's fun to overexpose for brighter colors. A challenge but one I'm capable of when I want to take nice flower pictures.

[@jpjast5739]

This portra needs more light than its box speed might lead you to believe. At this speed the film is underexposed already, so pushing will make it worse, which is why some pics showed that problem. What that means is people usually overexpose it, so it can get good results but you need to adjust your exposure setting. Something like starting at +.5 a stop for nominal iso as its native iso and THEN push. This is not about its age but the need to know it’s box number is not it’s actual iso.

[@milesian1]

@@jpjast5739 So are you suggesting to rate at 400 and then push a stop in development?

[@VariTimo]

@@LaskyLabs I keep bouncing between Portra 400 and 800 in terms of the daylight look. Nothing beats Portra 800 in low light but Portra 400 looks so perfect in daylight.

[@22crabz8]

Pushing color film is a myth, it is not possible chemically the only thing that would happen is change the contrast and the dominant color kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZu8ZoWOasqDeMU

[@Equiful]

Ah the aspect ratio of the video to compliment the format of the film. I see what you did there

[@bratspinat]

8:30 thats a really nice one!

[@myperspectiveisimnotblind]

LOVE IT 💚 Especially the way you make your videos that feel super personal, as if we're listening to a close friend. Thank you! but... more Polaroid 600 videos, please? It's been a while. A long while. 😅 Thank you!

[@romkainmotion]

I pushed Portra to 1600 to use at night hand held. Got lots of grain, lost some contrast, but photos was totaly usable.

[@DayneFilm]

The aspect ratio of this video had me double checking if it was really your channel lol

[@someonewithsomename]

yeah, aspect ration of the video based of the film being shot is the shit!

[@b.brauner7500]

great video but i was missing the mountain dew challenge part of it! is it over, yet?

[@abgrafix]

Love watching your films man ... The outdoor cinematography shots were awesome and the stills and moody color grade too man .

[@csisbw]

My ultrawide monitor was so shocked to use the black edges for a youtube video it nearly just stopped working

[@Pronuss]

Ho do you get the sky to look this gray beige colored? Or was it overcast? Ive never created a photo with this kind of sky. I really like it. And also, I love the shot of the bridge which you said is unusavle.

[@genericperson7266]

Might be a scrub question, but given most film photographers recommend overexposing 1 stop, what happens when you push 1 stop in processing, and shoot at iso 800 ?

[@bebox7]

Two different things - when overexposing you’re giving the film more light which most negative film loves and especially the likes of Portra 400, which I shoot exclusively at two stops over. When you’re shooting 800 at 1600 you’re robbing the film of one stop of light then trying to correct that in development by leaving it longer in the dev chemicals. Normally this causes more grain and more contrast - again that depends on which film you use.

i love all the shots you took that day 😎👍

[@boxfishfilm]

So what anamorphic lens was this shot on and when can we expect anamorphic 35mm shots 😏?

[@minibaum93]

Did You use a anamorphic lens or cropped the video?

[@kulecarson]

Will I get the same effect if I push Portra 1+ 800 stops?

[@CristianGeelen]

What happened to the aerochrome knock-off that you were testing five months ago?

[@jatpg]

I don't know if I missed something in this video...but here goes... C41 processing method can't really be modified to achieve what you are calling 'pushing'. 'Pushing' refers to a 'chemical' remedy for trying to 'rescue' some parts of a latent image that haven't been placed on the right (optimal) part of the films characteristic curve. So...if you underexpose 'too much'...darker parts.of the scene dont produce developable grain in the film. If you underexpose a bit...shadow areas do produce a latent image area...but it has less than it should for normal chemistry. Hence by say increasing development time (pushing)...you make those areas produce an image that they wouldnt normally. The problem is...areas of the image that havent been too badly affected by the underexposure get 'too much development'. Upshot you get an image but colours start to skew because the characteristic curve of a colour emulsion has many colour sensitive layers that may not stay in balance with pushing or significant under/over exposure or chemistry mods. This is still sort of true for monochrome but of course you cant see colour shifts.

[@brandonwinterle9388]

You’re all good, don’t worry about it. Classic

[@paullikesrobots]

Excellent vid :) thanks so much for these great mini docs into your process

[@alexandermedia4018]

Did you add lens distortion to the B-roll to simulate how it looks through the wide viewfinder of the XPAN?

[@RoodeMenon]

The prices for film has doubled since 2019. I have a few from that time, now I'll only use them for super important situations. This is terrible. I was really getting in to film photography.

[@racqelmusic]

This video is relaxing af

[@cfwheezy]

LOL its the "butt can" for me haha. Great work.

[@mitch.analog]

I use Portra 800 for concert photography I shoot it @ iso 3200 and it looks nice.

[@legotastic]

The shots look good Jason, I do wonder if you'd set the black point in a few of them a bit lower whether that would have helped mitigate the muddiness/graininess somewhat

[@Jacman8]

Thank you for explaining pushing it really helps novices like me

[@jessicajohnson3675]

I have rolls of this laying around but my shots never turn out. The shadows go a nasty green.

[@corygraham601]

I ejected coffee out through my nose at the “took a dump in the butt can” bit 😂

[@felixrgl]

Nice, widescreen video that fills my whole phonescreen :D

[@matiasdonoso3374]

i said to myself "i need some rest". Perfect panorama for my break :)

[@mannyteeXD]

How is kodak going to bring back aerochrome if you stop drinking the dew

[@jackryan7205]

Try living in Canada where most film is over $30 a roll

[@jerrykovis5417]

If you had to slam 3 forties of Olde English 800 in 10 minutes and then cage fight any KZbin film photographer for the last roll of Porta 800, which film photographer would you fight?

[@filmlicker]

Perfect video for me as I'm patiently waiting for my 3 pushed 800s to land safely back to me.

[@filmlicker]

And I finished the video and now I'm nervous 😂😂

[@98Kentuckian]

Something about Xpan photos that are just special.

[@y2ktube]

Yup, and even better are the no vignetting Hasselblad SWC with its stunning ZEISS lens using a Pano Mask... Add to that : Manual metering forces you to arrive at the proper exposure, no variable auto speeds to botch your scene exposures, no motor noise, no take-up feed tooth breakage, no Sudden-Death-Bricking and no batteries !

[@dulceglass9111]

What kind of lens did you shoot the video with?

[@Bloodlust0-0]

Anamorphic

[@wxke.2127]

im new to this film photography stuff. can some tell me what having stops means? (+1 stop or +2) i have no idea what they actually mean