Pushing Tri-X

[@socratescafe2004]

I agree that the white cat grainy picture looks great.

[@NIKONGUY1960]

Back when I was shooting concerts, I pushed the crap out of Tri-X. Never failed me. Nice to see this video. Love the kitty pics. Never tire of those. And thanks for sharing. Digital folk have no idea what it takes to make a great picture. Darkroom was my drug. Miss them days.

[@Crashoverall]

if these are your regular `not great' pictures, i`ve got a lot to learn i`m way behind that

[@richardsimms251]

Wonderful and very useful video, as usual. RS. Canada

[@eleventy7856]

I'm sorry about your cat.

[@MatteoPreziosoPH]

Very, very interesting episode, I immensely enjoyed it. I love pushing film (same cannot be said about pulling, no idea why) and I must admit I've always preferred pushing T-Max 400 than Tri-X. I would easily push the T-Max up to 6400 as you did here with the Tri-X and love the results. I almost exclusively use the Tri-X for portrait work, so I never really find reasons to push it. But the T-Max is my choice no. 1 for street, and I'll just go happy pushing depending on what I need. I also try to use as much as I can the HP5 400 (this one, too for street only) and to me this film works perfect at ISO 1250. Here some shots I took 'pushing around.' I know I'm writing a lot, and that's your channel; I am not trying to show my work through "The Art of Photography" but in case that's how it sounds, please do erase this comment :) 1) T-Max 400 pushed at 3200: www.flickr.com/photos/matteoprezioso/15027077823/in/dateposted-public/ 2) T-Max 400 pushed at 6400: www.flickr.com/photos/matteoprezioso/14740543351/in/dateposted-public/ 3) This one was taken pushing the HP5 400 at 1050: www.flickr.com/photos/matteoprezioso/13927301084/in/dateposted-public/ Finally, your work is so good, that's one of my favourite channels. Keep up with the good work! p.s. Sorry to hear about your cat that passed away.

[@keithbasham2413]

I've learned more from these videos than I did in college, thanks man.

[@ammartaibi8011]

You can take the lens out flip the mirror and stick a patch to the film. This was when you're loading the film into a reel, you can feel for the patches in the dark and cut the film there

[@DoomLabs]

Hi Ted! Right about the last episode of the vlog where you talked about stand developing, I tried it too, using a 1:100 dilution and 3.5 ml per roll, with Adonal. I can't seem to leave the link to the photos here :( Great vids! Keep'em coming! :)

[@rugglez]

8:48 - Judy - I can see where the sprockets have affected the developing. There are darker patches by each sprocket hole. (It isn't apparent in any of the others, so I guess it is because this is close to maximum range). Is there any way to avoid those sprocket issues?

[@theartofphotography]

I'm still working on it. I'll do Tom Snyder later today ;-)

[@alexcarrillo4143]

Rodinal is back, Freestyle photo, Glass Key Photo, Looking Glass Photo.

[@billkaroly]

I saw that on the Freestyle website. I always used HC110 with HP5 and never pushed. I really want to shoot some film pushed to 1600.

[@Frisenette]

Exact exposure really doesn’t mean much when stand developing. As long as it’s long enough. In low light take it all the way. If there is anything on the film it will get developed. It’s hard to overexposed Tri-X. Preflashing would really help with the crushed blacks. Why aren’t you doing film again Ted? These where really good.

[@mamiyapress]

I keep watching these videos in the hope some day that a Tiger, Puma, Panther or some other large feline will walk past, it's only a matter of time.

[@yaschan99]

they are so beautiful and emotionally strong photos. I love your work very much, and the fantastic analysis on pushing Tri-X. I feel your soul. Wishing you best luck.

[@NMrick505]

Thanks....another good one. Now I'm off to see if Tri-X is available in 4x5 sheet so I can play.

[@ZephyrMcIntyre]

Films coming back, maybe I'm behind the times, but walked into my local shop and they said film sales are up 3x since last year.

[@KB4QAA]

I've pushed one stop and intermixed with normal shot, using regular development with no problems. it's a great way to shoot in lower light.

[@hellart]

Hello Ted! how are you? months ago i saw one of you posts in which you dyed some fiber photos with tea and coffee. Ive tried to find the video but i couldnt, would you tell me in which episode is it? I love your channel! keep it up! :D

[@theartofphotography]

You don't need to avoid it - you just might not want it - or you might ;-) I'm just showing you what makes it more prominent so you can control it.

[@theartofphotography]

Thanks! Yeah - its one of the greatest films ever.

[@rlakes]

Great Tip Ted!, i love the feel of those pictures, why we should avoid grain?

[@mathieuclement8011]

Stand development... Mmhh no thank you, don't want to ruin my film with lines from 35mm holes or uneven development. But tbh I never tried it because I never saw the point. I push Tri-X to 1600 with regular agitation of D-76 with 1:1 dilution for 13.250 minutes and it works great for me. Though I'm curious... I wonder if my fears are justified.

[@jenpsakiscousin4589]

I've only seen bromide drag, or marks from sprocket holes or dark parts of the neg when Aggitation is vacant for over an hour, and if the developer concentration is really minimal like 1:200, 2 hours

[@nerdanderthalidontlikegoog7194]

I really liked your shots. The pushed tri-x adds a mood that seems appropriate, especially considering the subject. I buy tri-x in bulk but never tried pushing that far, I think that I will give it a try.

[@RobCastro]

I dig this. Can't wait to try it out. Thanks for sharing, Ted.

[@stigmatedbrain]

Thank you very much for sharing! Kudos!

[@GertJanMes]

Poor kitty. I know for sure he had a great life with you.

[@DecentGatsby]

Is this grainer than ilford 3200? I might have to experiment, I love the grain in these shots :D

[@MichaelTohlen]

Fantastic grain for pushing to 6400, but not a huge fan of the extreme contrast. Thanks for the examples!

[@theopticalprime]

What time length would you recommend for pushing film from 400 to 800? I've been hearing 30% more time per stop for developing times. So 3:30 would equate to around 4:40 using developer. Would that 30% more time include the blix and stabalizer as well or just using the developer? Thanks.

[@AeonHorus]

Ted man This is a practical lesson ! Can you please start doing some more hands on videos so we can see the process on what you are talking about? That would be just brilliant!

[@expatriatechronicles6915]

That photo of Judy is awesome!

[@Pseudopsychosis]

Ted, first of all thanks for making this video. I haven't pushed tri-x yet but I intend to do so quite soon. From what I see the images are much more pleasing than what I'd get with Delta3200. I stand-develop quite a lot as it's my favourite technique and while I agree that it's more straight forward to stick to a single speed throughout the roll, I find that stand developing allows me to change the iso on the fly. When I shoot HP5 I will often go back and forth between 400 and 1600 (while metering accordingly). This flexibility comes in handy especially in the evening on overcast days. I wonder if T-max 400 would yield similar results ... P.S. In terms of development time, from what I've read, Rodinal - at a 1:100 dilution - is usually exhausted at about the 2h mark. I use a full stand method where I agitate at the beginning then let the tank sit undisturbed for the remainder of the process so your mileage may vary. I use the exact same time of 70-80 minutes @ 20ºC for all film speeds. So far I've had good results with PanF, HP5, Rollei 400s, Rollei 80s, and a few expired colour films found in the attic that I developed in B&W chemistry.

[@XavierPeypoch]

The Judy photo is incredible. 8:50

[@billkaroly]

Just watched this. Interesting discussion. I wonder how HP5 Plus would push this way? I have seen it pushed to 1600 and I really like the results.

[@rbruce63]

I thought that TMax was the next step for Kodak, then I discovered HP-5 watching Flickr pictures and then I went for Tri-X which became my favorite. However, my early black and white shots were with Plus-X-Pan and the results were awesome!

[@drawcomics]

The old Levar Burton sign off... awesome

[@theartofphotography]

I haven't, but I bet it looks great!

[@richardsimms251]

Ted, you are an excellent teacher, with a great knowledge of the history of photography, and of the previous work of the original masters RS

[@ronzeisloft4722]

I really like the ghostly, mysterious look in your shot at 12:14

[@bsierens]

Honestly, I think your F3 works fine. Love the siamese cat picture

[@anauhu]

Thanks for the inspiration, I'll try 6400 soon for some street shots at night :)

[@btpuppy2]

I don’t want acutance, I want the finest grain. What is the best developer for this. Xtol?

[@stefanol9272]

Wauw he is beautiful and also very beautiful photo I really love this first one of your cat 🙀

[@paulbonge6617]

I'm loving this, thanks! Although I no longer DO film, back in the day my father and I would push to 1600 and although Rodinal is good, we always made our own which now I don't remember the formula for. We made all our own developers and fixers and only ever used D-76 or Dektol when we'd run out of raw ingredients.

[@TimothymakeupsDitzler]

Love your vids Ted! Always super helpfully and interesting!

[@ChiaraBizzarraGiovanelli]

Your channel and your tutorials are really fantastic. The one about pushing and pulling film has been particularly useful to me. Plus, thank you for showing us your pictures in this video, technics apart, they gave me a strong emotive feeling. Thank you and greetings from Italy! Chiara

[@IceCreamGuerrilla]

Great video man. Thanks

[@emilforsman5562]

what dilution did you use?

[@markrobertsonalba3174]

Hi! Just want to ask. If I pushed it to 1600 and use stand development. Do I need to develop it for 1 hour? I'm kind of a beginner and right now I'm using rodinal too as my first developer. :)

[@WilliamAponno]

i like your cat

[@kombibus]

I like your information and I'm getting ready to dust off my OM-1 and I'm gonna order some film from a film supplier in San Diego. Thank you for the refresher.

[@miltongopa]

Amazing, even underexposed, they look great.

[@theartofphotography]

You can send me an email thru youtube and link it. Should work there…

[@KurtClark]

My first "assignment film roll" - for Middle School annual staff in 1977 - was Tri-X Pan. Teacher gave me as many rolls as I wanted and told me, "Take pictures of whatever catches your eye." I still live by that, and I still shoot Tri-X 400 film in 2021!

[@Corbotli]

Great photos of the cats - its like you can hear what they are thinking in each shot. Just developed my first ever roll of B W film at home yesterday in my dad's old Paterson tank. Lots of notes and lessons learnt (argh purple monster Tri X = more fixing time required?) and your vlogs are helping alot. Cheers!

[@daveroberts8997]

Kitty @4:42

[@headwerkn]

‘This is all gonna be cats.’ I usually say the same thing when I unspool a freshly developed roll out of the tank 😂

[@danieljonesfoto381]

I wish you would go back to stuff like this and photographer features instead of camera phone reviews.

[@endsublea]

there are many arguments on the net on whether or not agitation effects grain, the one argument i find most logical is that the agiation effects grain because it effects the development time. If you develope say 8 mins with continous agitation, the amount of grain would be equal to a stand development in say 10 minutes but i didn't proof it myself

[@gabequezada2066]

RIP to your cat....

[@Dahrenhorst]

Just another reason to do film in medium format: you only commit 12 pics to the pushing, not 36.

[@citizen841]

Thanks for your work Ted. Working my way through your channel. Really enjoying it.

[@Fujicator]

Interesting experiment, however I think that your F3 is working Ok, in such low light it's better to make a spot mesure on the darkest part of your composition. Anyway as you said you can correct these photos while making prints in your darkroom.

[@MikedeVeltaMusic]

D76 is way more pushable with Tri-x. Even at very high dilutions in my own experience Rodinol is a poor choice unless you want "blobs" :)

[@paulbonge6617]

Look at Judy a very 1920's "Glamour Shot" indeed!

[@johnbaez2412]

I shot a roll of Tri-X through my holga and, as you may know, there are no setting controls on this camera. Can I develop as if I shot it at 800 or 1600? Would that be considered pushing?

[@nathanjohansen7169]

You've probably already developed your film by now, but I'm replying anyway. If you shot in the daylight pushing Tri-x would probably over expose your images by a stop or two. Shooting fast or pushed film in a Holga would probably work best indoors, or outside on a cloudy day or evening hours. This isn't a hard rule exactly as there are a variety of conditions out there I can't account for, but the lack of adjustments on a Holga make it most usable for certain films speeds for certain lighting situations. Feel free to experiment though. Black and white film has a pretty big latitude to play with.

[@skunklungz]

WOAH WHAT I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS VIDEO WAS UPLOADED ALL THE WAY BACK IN 2012 IT LOOKS SO RECENT

[@barrybuttery]

Tri-X is my favorite film!

[@theartofphotography]

Nothing fancy - I'm using an Epson 4870

[@NIKONGUY1960]

Tom Snyder. Now that's a name I've not heard in a while. Didn't Dan Ackroyd do him back when Saturday Night Live was worth watching? Or some parody?

[@lachsimzwaifel]

Ted do you think this could work with HP5+ as well? I got 10 Rolls for cheap an really would like to try to shoot some bar scenes with ISO 6400.

[@jmarvosa6x3]

Wow shots look fucking rad!! Keep on. Thanks for sharing

[@Kmanmarr]

Developed my first two rolls of film today (tri-x), I've fallen in love with film, got four shots I'm really happy with.

[@baxcarias]

Just discovered your channel. It's brilliant! You explain things very clearly and your enthusiasm shines through :) Nicely done!

[@rrmitch123]

shot at 11:08 is gorgeous

[@laciglia]

Thank you for doing these videos! By far one of the most informative and entertaining sources for aspiring film shooters.

[@HouseofJello]

I've pushed tmax400 up to 6 stops. Looks great to me.

[@jeffreysrnec]

Can anyone tell me if pushing a slower film like 100 going to give similar results ??

[@BorisS]

Jeffrey Srnec Ya it has about the same results.I have pushed 100 to 400 and it gives me almost better results than shooting 400 at 400. The thing to remember is 400 you can push to 1600 and that's two stops. But 100 two stops up is 400 not 1600, so you wont be able to push it to the same iso as 400uun,h

[@JanKratochvilcom]

Thank you Ted. Interesting speech, looking forward for the next episode.

[@haroldishoy2113]

Hello, new subscriber here. When I started photography Jimmy Carter was halfway through his term as President. What I can remember of push processing is that there should be a similar time adjustment in the fixer bath proportionate to the development bath. As I recall my photography teacher at the time had a logarithmic chart she consulted. I know I used a similar chart for timed exposures.

[@MrRjblair]

These tutorials are the most informative and complete of any on the internet! Thank you so much!

[@DrRChandra]

+33% per stop...is that calculated progressively? By that I mean that if the original time is "x", one stop would obviously be 1.33x, but would two stops be 1.33 * 1.33 * x = 1.77x, or 1.66x?

[@jesseoleary]

beautiful shots ted, and of course, another great video!

[@mkshffr4936]

Might have been a situation for incident metering. Very glad you did this. One of the things I was thinking of was experimenting with the DuoFlex indoors without flash using pushed Tri-X. It is f16@ about 1/50s. Glad that the results were so good. I would be interested in how it would come out using a commercial lab.

[@ronzeisloft4722]

Also, how do you feel with pushing Tri-X with microphen? I just mixed up a bottle to push some delta 400 to 1600, but I got to thinking about using it for Tri-X since its supposed to be a very fine grain developer. However, since its my first go round with microphen, I'm only going off what I've been reading.

[@michaelangeloh.5383]

It seems that a lot of people seem to ignore and never think of or mention the Exposure Value function on their cameras (or at least the ones that have it). - When you talked about the one portrait picture of Judy probably being underexposed, what you should have done is turn up the EV by a notch or two. - I probably don't have to explain this, or I'd think so, but whenever you aim a camera with automatic exposure at something brighter you should compensate by increasing the exposure (so slowing the shutter-speed), and the opposite for darker areas or subjects, so that they don't come out brighter than they look. Let's say you aim the camera at a black cat and the metering decides that the shutter-speed should be at say 1/15 just because the cat creates a really dark area in the frame. You'd turn down the exposure by half or a whole stop to compensate, leaving it a bit darker like it should be. (Seems counterintuitive, but the metering-algorithm is dumb and doesn't know that the black area should be black, so it turns up the exposure by slowing the shutter, which will make it brighter than it should be. Just like the F3 metered the image with Judy to be exposed less just because she has some brighter areas.) Honestly, it really became apparent to me that almost nobody mentions this and probably doesn't use it. - I already learned this using my old PowerShot years ago, so you don't get brightened darker scenes (like indoors or shade) or darkened brighter areas (like brightly lit areas or skies). Of course you can do the same by using manual shutter speed and only use the metering as a guide, but the EV-function is exactly a shortcut to compensating the exposure according to the scene or subject. - Again, nobody ever mentions this... It's kind of critical or at least very useful.

[@Dennis-wi6nn]

Sorry to hear about your cat Ted. Our last one developed kidney disease and we had to put her down. I feel your pain. Our pets are family. Sometimes we love them more than our family :). On a lighter note, what developer will give me super tight fine grain and good contrast? Will be developing 12+ rolls for first time since college (which is over 20yrs ago). Or is it a matter of developer choice combined with agitation method and time of development?

[@evelasq1]

I have just started shooting black and white film. As far as pushing the film, Kodak would say that their film could be pushed unto two stops. So a professional black and white film at a 400 speed could be pushed unto 1600 speed maximum. It is true that when using higher speed that there would be some appearance of grain. I have used 400 speed film a lot and the grain looks artistically great for me. Film photography is very different from digital photography because it gives you a different feel with the camera and your subject. I have recently taken two black and white films to a photo lab and they came out great. These photos were shots of my Bahamas Cruise trip. I hope that you got my package of my photos sent via priority mail. They include some night scenes of New York City. Peace, Flood!

[@chanceclark3988]

4:45 brief celebrety appearance in the background

[@exert2020]

sorry if this is a silly question but do you meter for the shadows like I've heard is best for film?..and is metering for the shadows still useful if you're in the end scanning negs and not in dark room? will that info still be in the highlights with a scan? thanks

[@juanalmada194]

Did you ever get the results of your experiments? Was the f3 in bad shape or was it the time you had with development of the film? Please let me know. I'd like to try this out

[@bozo859]

If you were worried about operating at the limits of the F3's meter, why not just leave it at 400 and underexpose 4 stops???

[@capretta444]

Awesome episode, loving the analog attention!

[@Oculus729]

This video is now seven years old and I just found it. Thanks for the video. What scanner are you using - particularly for medium format? Thanks.

[@nickfanzo]

Pushed Tri x looks good for lith printing

[@TheFrequenzT]

very nice video al always. plus the second photo (the one of the white cat) is in my opinion the mot beautifull picture you've taken i've seen so far. i really like that your pictures are so peacefull but this one really exceeds.

[@MarkusBerkus]

RIP kitty cat. Thanks for sharing Ted!

[@alankirby1472]

silly question but I've got some Potra 400 and I want to over expose it by two stops. So should I shoot it at 100 or 1600 (with normal processing)? Thanks for your help.

[@jmathews4765]

If you're overexposing, that would be at 100. It would underexpose to 1600. You can normal process with 100 (or pull process if you want), but you will need to push process for 1600.

[@Acquavallo]

Glad you're back!

[@TheNegative]

Ted I see you did night photography on a 100 speed film.. Did you rate the film at 100?

[@theartofphotography]

+Mikel Archibeque I do

[@alejandrarosales7836]

If I wanted to push tri-x to 1600 and stand develop the roll how long would I need to develop for?