Putin & China Drop Bombshell on U.S. Military Strategy as Ukraine Collapsing | MIT Prof. Ted Postol

Theodore Postol is Professor of Science, Technology and National Security Policy in the Program in Science, Technology, and Society at MIT. He did his undergraduate work in physics and his graduate work in nuclear engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. After receiving his Ph.D., Dr. Postol joined the staff of Argonne National Laboratory, where he studied the microscopic dynamics and structure of liquids and disordered solids using neutron, x-ray and light scattering, along with computer molecular dynamics techniques. Subsequently he went to the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment to study methods of basing the MX Missile, and later worked as a scientific adviser to the Chief of Naval Operations. After leaving the Pentagon, Dr. Postol helped to build a program at Stanford University to train mid-career scientists to study developments in weapons technology of relevance to defense and arms control policy. In 1990 Dr. Postol was awarded the Leo Szilard Prize from the American Physical Society. In 1995 he received the Hilliard Roderick Prize from the American Association for the Advancement of Science and in 2001 he received the Norbert Wiener Award from Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility for uncovering numerous and important false claims about missile defenses.

[@majdavojnikovic]

When a random brasilian guy channel is the only place in this part of the world where you can hear people who should be listened to by everybody...

[@hurricanetasha1681]

there is also The Duran and Judge Napolitano, and New Atlas, to name a few - all telling the same truth from different angles.

[@paulowerneck1603]

I am also brazilian. I though he was american.

[@pindapoy1596]

@majdavojnikovic Mr. Alkorshid is of Iranian origin and he emigrated to Brazil. It does not matter very much anyway. You should know however that in the US and Europe here are several other channels that carry a fair analysis and thoughtful discussions and interviews about the political and economic situation of the world.

[@Fox-in-sox]

@@hurricanetasha1681 In the Duran it takes half the programme for the host(s) to frame the question and then they interrupt the guest. The Judge is much better in this respect but Nima is a genius. He quickly frames extremely well thought out questions and then stands aside and allows his guest complete freedom.

[@SeventhTrump-kp5bu]

his talent and honesty and bravery is already making a name for him, he is very useful!

[@cristinacandy496]

Excellent guest! Please have him back!

[@letsgobrandon4429]

Please bring Mr Postol back as a regular.

[@warrenschaich6873]

Theodore Postol gives a good historical perspective to see the reality of current anti Russian mentality.

[@kirrausanov]

Zelensky reminds me The Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail priceless scene. "Your arm's off!" "No it isn't!" “Look you stupid bastard you’ve got no arms left!” "It's a flesh wound. I've had worse. "Well what's that then?" "I’m invincible!” “You’re a looney.” “Alright, we’ll call it a draw!”

[@joelturley4847]

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[@djape1977]

​@@joelturley4847general Miley said that. Russians never gave any timelines

[@Tchernoziuum]

@@djape1977 Joe is a f--- ukrobot, don't lose your time with him.

[@Tchernoziuum]

@@kirrausanov "Tis, but a scratch" ... Exactly, the West is similar to the dark knight and even more stupid.

[@emersonandriao4342]

Wow, this guy is good! Great conversation. Thank you, Nima!

[@kimly8070]

Thank you, Nima for introduce us to Prof. Theodore Postol. Great comments. As usual, I've learned a lot.

[@AngelaOMeara-th1en]

another great listen...your knocking it out of the park Nima with the wonderful guests you give us the privilege to listen to...thank you.

[@judithstapleton74]

All you need is a physicist and an engineer. Thanks for a fabulous insightful snd frank discussion, gentlemen!

[@gretapansini1258]

Thank you Nima, for introducing me to such great people that you have on your how!!!!!

[@headfuel]

Another fantastic interview

[@Captain8159]

Excellent episode! Great guest!

[@lanashelby4527]

It’s actually really good to hear from someone with Ukrainians roots to talk about Odessa and calling it as a Russian city. In fact for those who does not know Russian history Odessa was created by Cathrine the great by signing the document in 1794 to begin building city of Odessa and port. In 1900 residents of Odessa erected monument in her honor . Odessa was always Russian city and always will be. Nazis do not deserve to have this pearl.

[@_-martin-_]

Thank you for speaking the truth Mr. Theodore Postol! Love from Denmark.

[@GerritVictor-pn9yv]

President Putin differs from other leaders. His major concerns are his country and his people, unlike the Western leaders who only think of stuffing their donor's pockets.

[@thetombaxter]

Putin's decade long war in Chechnya proves this beyond any doubt.

[@Mies78]

good guest. thx nima.

[@glassini]

Brilliant discussion.

[@rozalialuks6583]

Thank you both! I learned a lot! #LONGLIVERESISTANCE

[@kein370]

Good show Nima always a good time 👍

[@tim_from_braid]

Absolutely brilliant show

[@Moes1n]

Nima how do you do it? Brenner and now Postol? 🤩🥳🙏🏼

[@eoinhogan152]

A great man, principled to a fault

[@TheAlexandar711]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Amazed.

[@barrybutler3679]

Theodore has McFaul pegged.

[@rutgerborjesson4552]

What about Russia advance to Hungarian border to create a supply road all the way to Serbia?

[@rabola55]

Why would Russia want to invade Europe? It's just a pile of problems and rubbish, a bunch of has-beens.

[@vlad-qj9pj]

We often overlook the perspective of Heraclitus of Ephesus (c. 500 BCE) regarding the significance of war: "War is the father of all and the king of all." Only the clear understanding of an imminent threat of complete destruction can compel people to act at the limits of their capabilities to survive. War introduces this threat, and as a result, it not only ensures survival but also drives progress in science and technology. Moreover, war unmistakably reveals heroes and exposes villains, thereby purifying and enhancing societal efficiency. The history of human achievement is, in essence, a history of wars. If wars were to cease, humanity would inevitably begin to decay and ultimately perish.

[@r.s.4174]

You can be sure Nuland was planning the offensive.

[@bobf9749]

1) Zelensky was installed and is being handled by Britain’s MI-6 intelligence. He knows what his fate will be if he deviates from the script. 2) Control over Russia is the main goal of the Western financial cabal and the gung-ho neocon imperialists. 3) Ukraine is many things, but most important, it is the sharp end of the spear pointing toward Russia. That, above all, is why Ukraine is so important to the Western political and financial elites.

[@EliasTsakmakis]

Only Nima could do this guy justice. In every other channel they push him to get his point out in seconds, here he got finally relaxed to expand on his thoughts. Good job.

[@alysonmcvitty7864]

a tech person with a big heart, brain and humour: give prof postol a huge hug from an ol' granny in europe. all respect to dialogue works

[@barrybutler3679]

This scientist knows more about economics than most economists, more about geopolitics than most politicians and more about history than most historians.

[@pecan11]

Hell u don’t get around then. There r several better than him

[@antediluvianatheist5262]

Sure. And he still knows. This is not a contradiction. ​@@pecan11

[@deadpoolguy283]

It was the same with the PLandemic. Regular People: Why dont we just take Flu Medication? So called Experts: "NO! You must vaxx and booster 5 Times a Day!!!"

[@rakadus]

Essentially, he has commonsense.

[@jimturpin6503]

A true scientist does not care about your graphs or charts, those are for managers and politicians, he always asks for the data.

[@coonhoundqueen9216]

Amazing connections Nima. Thank you many times over. Great guest. Really enjoyed this man great perspective

[@blatneyev3740]

The Professor knows his stuff! Let’s hear more from him.

[@profe3330]

Fascinating guest! Thank you, Nima - you're totally killing it lately. :)

[@EWA8755]

My very Russian Grandmother was born in Odessa, 1905.

[@thetombaxter]

Catherine made Ukraine safe for Russians as the the Brits made Ireland safe for themselves.

[@brandtbollers3183]

​@thetombaxterDa Tovarshch

[@datdoo91]

@@thetombaxterthere was no such thing as Ukraine in 1905. But good try

[@thetombaxter]

@@datdoo91 Also there was no Soviet Union in 1905, also there was no independent Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, Slovakia, Czechia in 1905. Ukraine was a member of the UN post WWII and had embassies in most of the above and the PRC and Vietnam. But you do have a point one a member of the Russian Colonial Settler State always a member and once slave always a slave.

[@Thomas-em9du]

Russia has adapted rather quickly to many of the nato weapons and tactics

[@soniavadnjal7553]

Russia is not stupid.

[@Thomas-em9du]

@@soniavadnjal7553 who said they were? 😮

[@toddflynn7156]

Russia has either destroyed or confiscated the NATO weapons. And you can go to Moscow and see the countless confiscated military equipment that they've confiscated from the NATO countries.

[@jacekboczarski6698]

Sure, sure If you be adapting count loosing 500 000 troops and tons of equipment on Russia side with minium progress 😂😂😂

[@Thomas-em9du]

@@jacekboczarski6698 Ukraine has lost at least 500 thousand. Russia less than 60,000

[@Breese2382]

Thank you Nina great guest!

[@cristinacandy496]

Excellent guest!

[@SCP30851]

Great guest, great talk as always Nima 👍

[@ranar1036]

Mr Postol, you mentioned the US and European LEADERSHIP, where are they?

[@albertnjoh9385]

They are a set of ignoramuses who represent a very grave danger to mankind .

[@annilator3000]

Gone. In france De Gaule replaced by a clown who is disrespectful and mean to his own citizens, to other world leaders, and a bootlicker of the Americans.

[@jonathangold2087]

Another fantastic podcast Nima! Your guest really gave us an in depth understanding of current events with regard to Russia and the West, and put the various factors influencing policy initiatives, into proper context. Ted Postol really debunked all the nonsense and meritless rhetoric that Western leaders have been using to describe Russia, and why we must have an adversarial relationship with Russia. As Ted laid out in detail, the claims that Russia’s aim is to conquer the rest of Europe, once the Ukraine conflict is resolved, is absolutely absurd. Further, Mr.Postol also elaborated upon the dangers of the West continuing to provoke Russia, and ignore the Red Lines Russia has delineated for its own safety and security. As Ted pointed out, continuing on our current trajectory, the West may find itself in a hit war with Russia, that could have disastrous consequences globally for everyone! This is clearly not a path the West should continue to pursue. The high ranking officials in the U.S. Government, especially in the State Department, are clearly oblivious to the warning signs that President Putin and his Foreign Minister, keep enumerating to the West! Unfortunately, the people in Washington D.C. and Europe are ignoring all of this, and at our own peril by doing so. Clearly there is no one in positions of power in the U.S. or Europe, with few exceptions, that grasps just how serious the current state of affairs are between the Russians and the West. It is incomprehensible that the West could be ignorant of this, but by their reckless words and actions, this is indeed the case! Everything that Ted Postol elaborated upon in this enlightening interview, was accurate and insightful. We can only hope that someone in the U.S. or Europe wakes up to the realities currently confronting us, before things spiral out of control? The consequences of the latter could easily spell the end of civilization, an outcome none of us would want to manifest! Thank you Nima for inviting Mr. Postol on as a guest to your wonderful podcast! His responses to your many thought provoking questions, really gave us a thorough understanding of current events , and showed us possible solutions to resolve things peacefully. Let’s hope someone among our government leaders will take seriously what Ted Postol had to say here? You are doing an excellent job keeping us well informed about current events, please keep up the good work!

[@WISEYOUN]

I am taken aback by the Theodore Postol’s disingenuous disclaimers that “I am just a physicist, a scientist…” when most of his statements were political and cultural as opposed to military or technical. His praise of Putin as a great strategist and innovative commander was astonishing. Likewise, his statement that the Russian soldiers are well-trained and well-equipped. That is exactly opposite of what I have heard and read. Many of the soldiers were taken from prisons and poorly trained. The statistics that I have seen do not support the Professor Postol’s claim that Russians have used their soldiers, armor, drones, and artillery more effectively than the Ukrainians. The failure of Russia to take Kiev in the first three months of Putin’s invasion is evidence of his incompetence or at least a strong argument against Putin’s competence. Postol’s claim that the Russians controlled the air over Ukraine is not credible even though Russian control of the air over Ukraine is something that would be expected, given Ukraine’s tiny air force. Certainly, the Russians did not control the air over the Black Sea. As I understand it, the Ukrainians successfully drove the Russian navy out of the Black Sea and reopened grain shipping from Southern Ukraine using drones. The Russians certainly could not protect their oil refineries against Ukrainian drone attacks. I respect Professor Postol’s knowledge of nuclear weapons and their consequences but he is blaming a bunch of non-experts in think tanks for their ignorance. But, I do not find his claims that the Russian soldiers had better communication than the Ukrainians to be credible. They were communicating with each other through the cell phones! I don’t believe his claims that more Ukrainian soldiers have died than Russians. The propaganda is such that we cannot trust reports from either side. On the other hand, I do agree with him that Russia’s end goal is not to invade the rest of Europe or even Western Ukraine. However, I disagree with him that Putin is justified in his invasion of Ukraine. Putin initially invaded Ukraine because he was trying to control the grain producing regions in Ukraine and to gain year-around southern access to the sea. He is willing to pay a very high price for this access, including deaths and disabling of over 400,000 Russian soldiers, a third of his military. I don’t know how many Russians of conscriptable age have left Russia but it must be over half a million people. He appeared unwilling to negotiate until he was winning.

[@Thomas-em9du]

The US has missed a historic opportunity to build a strong cooperative relationship with Russia since the fall of the Soviet union. It is really quite disappointing

[@AlanMcBride-yw6in]

Disappointing. Insane. and catastrophic. It may burn us all.

[@thetombaxter]

If only the US had not supported the Ukraine's aggression, Putin would not be forced to launch his purely defensive Special Military Operation while maintaining total air, land and sea supremacy, which will lead to victory within in just a few decades just as in Chechnya.

[@alexanderg-p3z]

It's worse than that. NATO founding principle was "Keep USA in, Russia out, and Germany down" . These days, you can eqate Germany with Europe.It's largely economic warfare, by owning the west leaders.

[@4moneyreactions]

Nobody wants a relationship wit Russia not even they allies this comment made no sense

[@albertnjoh9385]

You are very correct . The reason is obvious . People with a colonial , dominating disposition believe all relationships must be on their own terms . That's the problem the world is facing with the United States . They Americans believe they are too mighty and powerful not to dictate to anyone else .

[@ossibacher3235]

Well done Professor Postal

[@karlwhitehead3057]

For those who don't know, watch the Postol-Higgins debate. Postol won with ease.

[@jrshield7793]

Fascinating guest

[@Skeptic2244]

Mr postal has become one of my new favorite guests

[@americiumamericium4442]

Nima you are man, Prof. Ted Postol is very good technical analyst. Please bring him on the regular basis on the show. I appreciate your efforts.

[@tinatang1]

I 100% agree with Postol's assessment of Putin as a leader. I admire Putin unreservedly after listening to his responses in the press conferences he has held.

[@thetombaxter]

If the ICC ever catches him you might hear him defend his war crimes.

[@bharatc.sampat6406]

This is an exceptional person and an exceptional interview. Thanks

[@danapeck5382]

Thanks, always the best analysis from Prof. Postol. Interesting to hear him link the current policy incompetents to Clinton without mentioning Obama. All the best

[@albertnjoh9385]

By mentioning Hilarry Clinton , he was indirectly indictig Obama . Was Clinton not Obama's Secretary of State ?

[@KKK-u2y]

Great to listen to Theodore ❤ From Denmark 🇩🇰🇩🇰

[@WWIIDaughter7]

I've never heard of Ted Postel but I think Larry Johnson or Andreii referenced him so had a listen. He's wonderful and what an infectious laugh. 😊

[@KKK-u2y]

Please bring Theodore on your show again ❤ From Denmark 🇩🇰🇩🇰

[@dragonfire1842]

I don't think they hate Russia as much as they love money and power.

[@skutchBlobaum]

Very accurate observation. The other word that must be used is CONTROL.

[@naturalexplorer]

The out of touch viewpoint mentioned relevant to US and European leadership is deliberate. Pretending to be clueless enables the audience that listens to that to be just as clueless. Solution is think for yourself. View the US/European leadership as a corruption of the reality that stares anyone with a mind of their own directly in their face.

[@Jose-hs4vk]

“Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It.” The US has not learned the lessons of the past. After 20 years and trillions of dollars and thousands of soldiers killed in Afghanistan the Taliban is back in power. Our government is being run by psychopaths who do not value life, they are addicted to power and money.

[@theprophet489]

Brainwashed people can't think for themselves

[@JayTulip]

Fantastic guest! Thank you, Prof. Postol and Nima! Continued success to your channel!

[@sergiossanoudos]

Correct, they did it in Greece. We still remember. The Junta.

[@barrybutler3679]

Another excellent guest Nima. Great work.

[@QamarIqbal-z6p]

Nima i greatly admire you for choosing & inviting your right guest. I am greatly impressed by your today's unbiased & straight forward guest. I wish him great success like other guest who are critical of flawed US foreign policies, & are trying to educate simple American people.

[@doncapone8156]

Brilliant

[@coracora161]

The train have already gone. Now is time to change. The multipolar world is now. The gold, the banks, the power needs to be another hands. Not only in one hand, but many hands. With normal people.

[@MarianneVelasco-f9r]

Professor Postol said he is a scientist and not a historian but with a little research he has done in history.,he has a great wisdom of understanding historical events.

[@JuanPublo2023]

Thank you for inviting this smart and intelligent man 👍

[@Neumann1311]

Thank you so much for bringing up a man with such good common sense. I start to believe that our leaders hate President Putin because they feel that he is not snart but INTELLIGENT and, in fact, so superior to themselves ...

[@mariaangelicabrunellsolar7086]

Excellent analysis by Prof. Postol, thanks for having him!

[@Thomas-em9du]

I can't abide Nazis 😡

[@lianasammartino8490]

I cannot either....

[@KKK-u2y]

Same here..

[@larrysherk]

Nobddy in his right mind can abide Nazis. That is why Israel is so dangerous these days.

[@Acer061270]

Me neither and I am german!! I know what I am talking about! 🙂

[@Thomas-em9du]

@@Acer061270 yes of course you would be very familiar with the history. This is why I don't like US being involved in Ukraine

[@imagine9033]

Very good. Thanks

[@bbanks9919]

respect other people is the first rule in lie; elites have no respect for anyone

[@albertnjoh9385]

Most especially Mr Biden and his hordes . The entire world and civilization as we know it are at the edge of a precipice . How reckless it would be if those ignoramuses in Europe and America don't listen to people like prof. Postol .

[@thetombaxter]

Yes the elites of Finland, Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia have failed to make their countries safe for the Russian settlers, their former elites under the Czars and Soviets.

[@rutgerborjesson4552]

Zelensky is not Ukrainian. He is not killing his own people.

[@petem7118]

Kharzarian?

[@JawJaw-dt7se]

little hat jevv

[@bitsbobs8613]

Ffs , I was gonna say that

[@lanashelby4527]

In fact he is Jew and the fact that he applauded a Nazi in Canadian parliament made his grandfather to turn in his grave as he fought Nazis during ww2.

[@vaska1999]

His mother is Ukrainian, so he's Ukrainian. To be considered a Jew, you have to either convert to Judaism or you have to be born to a Jewish woman.

[@robertpierson299]

I agree on Russias desire to expand. People seem to not even understand that Russia has already voluntarily given up it's external empire, as well as East Germany which it paid for with millions of lives. Given history and recent events perhaps the Soviet Union should have continued to occupy it.

[@макслюлюкин]

It's just that if in the future the East Germans want their own state, Russia will support the restoration of the German Democratic Republic

[@benkenobi292]

Monty Python skit. Neoclowns.

[@jackklugman107]

Ziocons

[@YHauz-co]

Average American in the government can think one idea per day. Putin makes hundreds of decisions in the same period

[@paulowerneck1603]

Great informations.

[@joelturley4847]

"information" 😅 Here's 50 cents wumao 😂

[@paulowerneck1603]

@@joelturley4847 I prefer commentators paid by China or Russia than those paid by US warmongers or nazizionists... But instead of offending the commentator, why don't you point his errors? Who pays you?

[@lasse1345]

NATOs money and efforts, should focus on diplomacy!!!

[@julianhudson]

This was very enjoyable, relevant and understandable. He's insightful, wise and i wish we had more men like him in the world because the world would be a better place.

[@jokepiebenga4709]

I am already very impressed by the words of Prof. Ted Postol, although have heard only a third of the interview up till now. I hope we will hear more from him in the future, we can learn a lot. ❤

[@Outlaw86SK]

Prof. Ted Postol just made an amazing interview, excellent speech . His perspective on the topic is amazing, im thankful for the show . great job Nima .

[@peterm.eggers520]

Brilliant guest! Great knowledge, clear insights, brilliant analysis, and an engaging presentation!

[@DimitriYanez-lj7gj]

The houthis have hit the Eisenhower aircraft carrier, and is currently in a red sea port for repairs. Satellite confirmation of a hit on the deck top.

[@JorgenHovgaardChristensen]

Huge, a first attack on a carrier since ww2

[@hjrosas071]

Political Science is not a real degree. That's the problem.

[@jamessheffield4173]

Alexander Nevsky (Russian: Александр Невский) is a 1938 Soviet Russian epic historical drama film directed by Sergei Eisenstein

[@worldenergyhealing7409]

Nima is one of the great interviewers. He lets each guest speak a complete story.

[@demitrisharilaou9536]

I live in England and i ask a lot of people why do you hate Russia so much and they say they are a dictator country and then when i say to them but they are a doctor for their people and it's up to their people to do something and i ak them when did they come near their borders and threaten them they never have an answer but the hate them anyway so i say it's because they are all an educated and the all watch their news without asking any questions

[@CharlesRylance]

It's so refreshing to hear this speaker.

[@alokmukherjee8160]

Excellent! Thank you, Professor Postol. And thank you, Nima, for having him.

[@teemum.9023]

How about dialogue between governments? Would the west please hand over their forced presumptions and hegemony?

[@thetombaxter]

Putin has always been open to negiotiate Ukraine's return as Russian oblast or even another free allied democratic state as Belarus.

[@chrismorley8348]

This channel is an absolute gem. The host, the guests,simply the best.

[@ZuZungu]

Excellent video!!! Thankyou again!

[@Thomas-em9du]

Russia may keep going as far as Moldova because they have a Russian enclave there

[@harryflashman4542]

With Putins sense of humor, they'll go to Berlin.

[@макслюлюкин]

@@harryflashman4542 Russia does not need Europe, it wants to have influence on the space of the USSR and partly the Russian Empire, and this is its historical right, and of course the Russians are worried about the Serbian brothers, because they are in an aggressive environment and the Serbs experienced from the West in the 90s-2000s what Russia is experiencing now, but Serbia is small in terms of population the country and it were always tyrannized by the Turks, the Austrians, the Germans. regarding Europe, Russia will be satisfied if Europe is an independent player from the United States, but of course we do not like the tyranny of the Brussels bureaucracy of the EU, We believe that nation-states should play a major role in Europe, not EU officials.

[@Chinese-qq3ep]

Great interview. Let's have the professor more. It's nice to view different points of view, and a scientist is really a nice addition.

[@aclvaz]

Brilliant. This should be basic stuff but somehow we need a physics professor to explain it.

[@JC-4791]

Keep up the great work Nima. Thank you 🙏🏽

[@tak3ma]

Excellent! Please, bring Prof. Postol back!

[@Madelro100]

Right words: the russians seem to be the only adults in the game; the westerns look like spoilt brats having a tantrum

[@loislilly3049]

Excellent guest! Great info. Thank you.

[@ShortbusMooner]

Thank you, gentlemen! 🙏🏻💪🙏🏻

[@katkathym8041]

In my small corner of the world most americans have no clue just how bad this situation is. Most think ukraine is winning and will not even listen to any historical info.

[@CharlesRylance]

Very good interview and informative. Bye-bye American pie.

[@stevanrozic4638]

Postol 100% spot on.

[@BillyLeeWilson]

Did he say "Buying drones from Turkey"? Probably made in Israel.

[@albertnjoh9385]

Kudos to that learned and distingished professor . It's a great pity that people at the top decision making positions , as he has enumerated , could be so ignorant about the Russians . That ignorance is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians , not to mention the destruction of their cities . The same America that threatened to bomb Cuba if Soviet missiles were not withdrawn from that country would love to see nuclear weapons installed in Ukraine if that country joins NATO . Russia has a genuine case for those who understand American ontentions of surrounding Russia with bases . The CIA is now fomenting trouble in Georgia which may soon become another Ukraine .