Putin’s invasion will end by Autumn, with Ukraine’s accession to NATO | Robert Fox

Western powers are expected to introduce a deal at the UN General Assembly this Autumn, beginning negotiations to end the war in Ukraine.
Frontline is joined by Robert Fox, defence editor of The Evening Standard who explains what this attempt at world peace could mean for Russia, Ukraine, and the occupied land caught in between.
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[@nomansland4811]

Any agreement that gives Russia any part of Ukraine is very wrong!

[@johnosullivan2197]

The local east Ukrainians want to be with Russia !! As does 80% of Crimea

[@MolloyPolloy]

Not an inch of land should be given to Russia. Russia is the problem. This shambles of a war is 100% the responsibility of Putin.

[@rajlowkie6616]

And that Russian gas⛽ pipeline true Ukraine 🇺🇦 off the meter, Free ⛽ gas.

[@tonupharry]

So thats why ukraine was starved of weapons .

[@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473]

The Donbas regions were part of Russia. Russia is taking back what was theirs for a very long time.

[@calmlikeabomb2140]

Just behind Robert there is another War going on and it seems that Chaos is winning.

[@flobernbernard]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@majochjaroslaw1866]

..Forces of Chaos you meant

[@bjornfrolich6614]

😂

[@JohnDoe-vy5hh]

I fought entropy, entropy always wins.

[@ronald3836]

There is always someone who beat me! lol

[@TREVORALLMAN]

You can always rely on "Times Radio" to give one a laugh with its comedy sketches. 😁 😂

[@isaacunrau5255]

That's why I watch. It's a good laugh.

[@ghenulo]

This is a Western propaganda outlet, no?

[@adamblack267]

Military industrial complex garbage.

[@hokavistark7671]

Garbage 😅 Ukraine has lost 350 hundred thousands troops and it's country bombed to dust and these people happily discussing that Ukraine is winning and Counteroffensive is pretty nice going😅

[@rikhrossh5593]

Sure, an old man with a messy book backdrop knows best 🙃

[@edvsilas8281]

Robert forgets to mention that Poroschenko,Merkel, Hollande have all publicly said that they had no intention of honoring the Minsk agreement . Robert has a very selective memory about the history of this conflict . 😊

[@thomasdaniel100]

Your memory seems to be flawed as well. The Minsk agreement debacle has everything to do with Russian malfeasance.

[@jonathanj.7344]

@@thomasdaniel100 How, when it was Ukraine which reneged on them?

[@nobaddog1]

@@thomasdaniel100 Typical ukr cheerleader. Is it hard for you to cheer for terrorists?

[@PaulLefebvre]

@@jonathanj.7344 Do you forget the little green men? Russia has admitted they have been interfering for 8 years.

[@scottwatson4584]

@@PaulLefebvreThat was in Georgia

[@AndreAngelantoni]

Why should Ukraine trust Russia in any peace deal?

[@dessmith7658]

Other way round mate

[@MusicheadRick]

​@CUACHA_KILLA NATO, EU is a very trustworthy party for Russia. Dont believe me? Please ask the Russian elite, Olicharchs, and elite government officials in Russia. They are crazy rich from western money, and their children have nice houses in USA, Germany, Italy and UK. Only Russia is the problem no one else.

[@geoffhaylock6848]

​@@CUACHA_KILLAyou ruSSians are getting dumber with every comment

[@AndreAngelantoni]

@@CUACHA_KILLA That's not against the Minsk Agreements. And it's perfectly understandable after Russia invaded.

[@AndreAngelantoni]

@@dessmith7658 Russia said they weren't going to invade in January of 2022. That was a lie. They are the liars and are the ones bombing civilian infrastructure.

[@darthknight1]

This guy's argument is all over the place. The same bumbling vague hardly linked narrative in conspiracy theories.

[@luthorreikwolf8845]

Yeah. I could barely understand what he was trying to say

[@Sralit]

My thoughts as well. His game is to come up with some dramatic points of views that he claims to be insider information to sound interesting. But okay, overall he has a falsifiable claim that some sort of peace negotiations will start in September, so let’s see.

[@harvey1965]

Man ... he wasn't giving advice, or suggesting and forcing an agenda or a solution - he doing his best to report on the masses of narrative threads and many varied actions taken by multiple players and nations involved in the morass which has become Putin's illegal invasion of the Ukraine.

[@russellspeed1693]

This guy is clearly out-to-lunch, perfect for Times Radio.

[@adamblack267]

Maybe he should join the fighting in Ukraine to make him more in touch.

[@adamblack267]

He needs to pick up a rifle before he calls himself an expert. This war is being fought for the mega rich at the expense of the common folk. Like wars have always been fought.

[@russellspeed1693]

@@adamblack267 Sorry Adam. I did not read your comment correctly. I agree

[@adamblack267]

Thought you said out of touch too 👍

[@mrmikecrocodile4238]

@@adamblack267 Can you guys do any better I doubt it. Just full of smart alec posturing.

[@billdownen6844]

Unbelievable, this is all Unbelievable!

[@mrmikecrocodile4238]

More detail please.

[@johntyson1958]

No! to appeasement.

[@daydays12]

hear hear!

[@paulietv2162]

There is no 'deal' for Putin, anybody who thinks he is going to give up one square inch of Ukraine unless he is absolutely forced to is naive in the extreme

[@nikinnorway]

Exactly. Russia will only compromise if Putin is removed.

[@feedyourmind6713]

That presumes any negotiation would require the withdrawal from territory taken, the same territory that wanted to separate from Kyiv. So, a deal is possible, but like any leader, he's got requirements.

[@stephenglover8828]

@@feedyourmind6713 I believe he has aclear objective. unlike the West

[@feedyourmind6713]

@stephenglover8828 Well...the US has many a manic Russianphobe in its govt, and they've a mission to destroy Russia as we know it. Sad fact is most have taken no effort to look seriously at the causes of this war, they've just decided their sides on God's side.

[@edvsilas8281]

@@feedyourmind6713 Anything is possible but do you seriously contemplate Putin vacating the territories that have held referanda and are considered part of Russia now and after the sacrifices of the ethnic Russians there and the losses of Russian manpower in this conflict ?

[@MarkSmith-ym5td]

Are we discussing Boris’s role In scuttling peace talks at the behest of Biden back at the beginning of this mess? No? I thought this might be a serious discussion. Disappointed again.

[@Deontjie]

All I heard him say is that climate change is Africa's biggest problem. Obviously he never heard of Africa corruption before. Maybe he must come and visit me for a week so his eyes can open.

[@jaw444]

@@Deontjie No mention of Ukrainian corruption either......

[@sixmillionsilencedaccounts3517]

You can't be serious. This is Times hahaha... western version of Pravda...

[@mandtgrant]

Found the russian bots!

[@mandtgrant]

@@jaw444 found another russian bot

[@busterdan22]

Has Russia changed his stance on "no NATO in Ukraine"... Did I miss something 🤔

[@damianketcham]

Well. Russia has achieved everything in this war…….in reverse. So, yes. NATO in Ukraine.

[@adamblack267]

The nukes will start flying before Ukraine joins NATO. And I don’t support Putin.

[@valerijstehts2719]

​@@damianketchamIs conflict over already? No. Results will be seen after some time, now relax and enjoy price increase on almost everything, if you are not able to listen what wise people like professor Mirshmaer tried to explain to West for more than decade.

[@damianketcham]

@@valerijstehts2719 I’m sorry!!! Did you miss something?? Russia has weakened itself and we have two new NATO members. No Russian goals have been met and of course the conflict is not over. I haven’t seen any price increase here. Not worried. I am, however, interested in this Mirshmaer. Edit: apparently it’s Professor Mearsheimer.

[@pedropalotes7638]

​@@damianketchamONE new NATO member, remember Turkey didnt accept Sweden yet, Erdogan will decide that at the end of this year to be sure he is not cheated, we'll see what happen with Turkey access to EU, as that can become EU's end

[@paulaadams5217]

People talking and Ukrainians dying 😡let Ukraine decide!

[@joaorobalo9353]

the same for the Russia side, they also have families and they are dying

[@jorgerobles628]

And ACT!!!!!

[@sebastianwrites]

@@joaorobalo9353 But Ukraine is not on Russia's land are they? If you want to blame someone, then blame Putin's Regime and let's defeat it so this "never" happens again!

[@cindiheaton1048]

@@sebastianwritesI support Ukraine 🇺🇦 but am also glad for those young russian men who were able to get out of the country and weren’t forced to die!

[@cindiheaton1048]

@@carolmiller5713Yes, please. They should have been give to them when they asked! But after waiting so long to launch a counter offensive with the russians already having time to build the defenses I don’t know why they wouldn’t have just waited for them.

[@K1lostream]

I must praise Robert Fox's ability to carry on with the interview despite the immediate aftermath of the bomb which had clearly gone off in his study beforehand. Bravo.

[@davidbortz9495]

Hilarious and a true comment

[@paulmatthews5255]

Very funny. That’s the British for you . Keep calm and Carry on is the moto

[@02markcal]

@K1lostream - Thanks for reminding me that I need to declutter my house!

[@Erelio]

😂

[@BrianBaileyedtech]

Haha, I must admit I was distracted by the various scenarios going through my head and wondering if he was going to address the elephant in the room - which obviously knocked over his shelving units....

[@sandybrown7570]

just one point when has Russia ever claimed it would or even wanted to occupy all of Ukraine I would like to see where Putin made such a claim?

[@larsbee]

good point ... ukraine is so vast and 50 million inhabitants.... u can't control nor maintain that with 150k troops.

[@nolongerhappy4088]

Columns of Russian tanks were headed straight for Kyiv in the first few days of this war - until Ukrainians stopped them. There was also Hostomel airport....have you forgotten already? Actions speak much louder than words.

[@jlock2043]

it might be interesting to see how German army would struggle through the mine fields (and hold reached positions) - if they say the progress is slow. On the other hand the majority of German population seems to support Ukraine. I am grateful for UK´s support and hopefuly west countries will not lose patience and faith that we can win this war against one psychopath

[@CarIsBerg1967]

To support Ukraine and support this war are two different things.

[@jlock2043]

sorry but it is related. And no one apart from Putin has chosen it - Ukraine is a symbol. Which we need to see. Symbol of freedom and strength. Let us learn from them

[@jlock2043]

noone supports the war. Who strarted it? Who is killing civilians at their apartments? Who is bombing grain for Africa? - sorry but Ukrainians don´t do that. They just defend their country and we have to stay strong until Putin is dead. Look at the history - the cycle repeats

[@CarIsBerg1967]

@@jlock2043 symbol of what? Corruption and terrorism?

[@khiem1939]

Germans fought poorly in Afghanistan and the much maligned French fought very well there as opined by many of my friends who served there over multiple tours! Seems that many in Germany miss the "good old days" of being a satellite of the Soviet Union!

[@jamesquinn8558]

Why should Russia be rewarded even a little? Russia should be made to pay for rebuilding a whole Ukraine.

[@dudeonyoutube]

Victors don't pay.

[@whoknowsnubby]

Maybe they should pay, but bankrupting Germany after ww1 helping bring about the Nazis and the holocost. Do you think we will learn from that?

[@phueal]

Should be made to by whom? Short of NATO intervening militarily or China intervening diplomatically nobody can compel Russia to do that.

[@xy6845]

@@dudeonyoutube Yeah, that's why we shouldn't pay for it, Russia should. Cause they'll be losing this "bigly".

[@CONTACTLIGHTTOMMY]

​@@phueal300 billion dollars in Frozen Russian assets and oligarch money will be a nice little down payment. Thank you very much.

[@wptonic]

If I was a Ukrainian, I rather choke on my own blood than accept what is outlined in this video

[@jacqdanieles]

After all the bloodshed & destruction Ukraine has suffered, this outcome would be unimaginable.

[@alien4422]

If you and the majority of the people on this page did a minimum amount of research you would know that the newspaper Robert Fox works for is owned by a Russian who was given a Lordship by Johnson and whose father is ex KGB with links to Putin.

[@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473]

Go ahead since you have not bothered to learn the history leading to this regional conflict.

[@phueal]

@@jacqdanielesthis outcome is far from unimaginable. And it’s far from a bad outcome from Ukraine’s perspective either. Any outcome which fast-tracks Ukraine into NATO is a good outcome for them, let alone if they get the whole of the Donbas back too.

[@seanp9277]

You non-Ukrainians are so eager to fight to the last Ukrainian. Why don't you go fight?

[@AngloSaks666]

“The past is never dead. It’s not even past. All of us labor in webs spun long before we were born, webs of heredity and environment, of desire and consequence, of history and eternity.”

[@jameslutian1977]

This is the craziest analysis I've ever heard. Is this guy living under a rock?

[@philoza1000]

On a less serious note, Robert needs to sort out the chaos behind him...😊

[@steffenrosmus9177]

Not only this chaos 😂😂😂😂

[@inse001]

This is the „Creative Chaos“ background picture

[@pedromoss8257]

Organize chaos🎉

[@1997CWR]

Funnily enough, if he just angled up his camera by 15 degrees, we would never have known.

[@paulmitchell5349]

Sorting 'chaos' wastes good thinking time.

[@francisoneill3784]

Ignores the whole ‘Russia will regroup and invade again’ issue. Biased.

[@thedon9670]

Exactly. This guy is dangerous cuz he's talking without understanding.

[@DrTuSo]

@@thedon9670 So it was not only me. I stopped the video after 6 minutes. This guy clearly has no idea what he is talking about. Maybe he was an expert decades ago, but right now, he has no clue what he is talking about and he sounds more like he is working for the russian propaganda.

[@phueal]

He didn’t ignore that? He said Ukraine would need to be in NATO, that’s how you guarantee their ongoing security after any peace deal.

[@avgjoe5969]

@@DrTuSo Agreed. Crimea is NOT an option. Russia has to leave All the land or this is a loss. Taiwan will be next if Russia gets to keep Crimea. They have to be pushed out entirely to break Putin's government and show the world will not tolerate conquerors.

[@jiminverness]

@@avgjoe5969 _"Taiwan will be next if Russia gets to keep Crimea. "_ Nailed it.

[@jonathanash4280]

I think I now have a better understanding of the term "proxy war between NATO and Russia".

[@adamblack267]

More like between the US and Russia.

[@daffidkane8350]

“Some Ukrainians may die, but it's a sacrifice America is willing to make!” President Biden paraphrasing Lord Farquaad. As if Russian and Ukrainian lives don’t really matter! Some Americans want to finish off the Cold War properly with a defeat of Russia. Putin has been obsessed with the Ukraine because NATO has been obsessed with expansion!

[@jaw444]

@@adamblack267 They're fighting over control of Ukrainian territory, and this plays a vital role for Russia given its geostrategic position. It's not vital to the US, it's just their ongoing strategy of global expansion and eventual favorable regime change in Moscow.

[@adamblack267]

@jaw444 I couldn’t agree more. It’s a case of US hegemony being spread around the world and I can understand why the Russian elite don’t like it. But I also don’t support Russian aggression and can’t stand the Russian oligarchy just like I can’t stand US oligarchy. This world has got a serious rich man problem.

[@proxy7362]

@@adamblack267 No, NATO and Russia.

[@brotherjongrey9375]

"Neither country is ready to fight through the winter" ... Read some history, bro

[@user-nl5lu1dw5k]

Mfer, is Russia becoming unstable your biggest worry? Or a country being invaded in the middle of Europe standing it's ground and regaining ALL of its territories? Jesus, this guy is terrible.

[@Nathan-mk8ve]

An unstable nuclear power is very dangerous! Imagine if the Russian government falls and the country descends into chaos. Nuclear weapons laying around ripe for the taking… and after everything settles they realize there are a whole lot of nukes unaccounted for lol.

[@balham456]

Rússia has nuclear weapons. If the country desintegrares, we’ll all have sweaty palms.

[@user-nl5lu1dw5k]

@@balham456 didn't Soviet Union have nuclear arms? Did it not disintegrate?

[@thomaslunde5014]

@@user-nl5lu1dw5k Yes, and they lost their war in Afghanistan without using them.

[@user-nl5lu1dw5k]

@@thomaslunde5014 that's right.

[@davidsleith7222]

no peace until ukrainian territory is restored, and ukraine will fight 500 winters for that. Speak for yourself, not ukraine.

[@dessmith7658]

Join BRICS for the win

[@thedeadmoneyallstars]

​@@dessmith7658lol, half of BRICS doesn't want to be in BRICS right now 😂

[@caeruleusvm7621]

@@thedeadmoneyallstars As a citizen of a BRICS country, I support this message.

[@khiem1939]

@@dessmith7658 BRICS will be gone sooner than a honest Politician in Russia or the USA!

[@effexon]

I suspect ukrainians would continue fight with whatever sticks and old rifles they have... biggest problem would be (from western pov of course) loans and money they owe and cant pay back while doing so. They have food, other supplies, so question is how long and bloody it gonna be. Ukrainians look to be as resourceful and stubborn as afghanis to protect their country.

[@matgood6231]

They can be great at fixing stuff but they’re getting stomped and russia is still just warming up

[@thomasstinnesbeck6017]

BS RuSSia is finished

[@mrmikecrocodile4238]

Why did Russia wait so long? Wishful thinking.

[@adrianzag]

This hasn't aged very well.

[@bernardzsikla5640]

This is premature at the least and complete nonsense in the middle. These two combatants are very far away from even agreeing on the weather.

[@geofflepper3207]

Absolutely. The Russian regime still won't even admit that there is a war in Ukraine. Pretty hard to sign a peace deal to end a war the other party insists is not happening.

[@andreweisan9613]

He really under estimates the resolve of the Ukrainian people

[@alien4422]

His boss is a Russian whose father is ex KGB.

[@331SVTCobra]

Any peace agreement that doesn't expel the Russian army from all of Ukraine is just creating an insurgency that will last hundreds of years.

[@Samantha_Dawson_]

I was thinking about ending this war, the Ukrainian counter-offensive, it is costing a lot in human and material terms and it is very slow, ceding Crimea to Russia and putting Ukraine in NATO the war would end. And the world would be at peace and it would not affect the whole world anymore. Russia will not achieve its great goals. And other countries that border Russia are already in NATO. Ukraine will lose a little, but Russia will lose a lot. The reconstruction of Ukraine will be another more difficult part.

[@dudeonyoutube]

I think you mean he overestimates the resolve and military power of Ukraine. The war is over, Russia won.

[@ThePearsson]

@@dudeonyoutubemust be the stupidest comment I’ve read today. Russia has already lost the war and russia is slowly collapsing. Ukraine has 50 of the richest and strongest country’s in world behind them and russia has? … North Korea and Iran. Russia can’t sustain this war. Just do the math.

[@VladimirPutinIsGood]

The War Isn't Gonna End Anytime Soon

[@cashkash1547]

I think that bomb really disrupted his thought process. He seems quite disjointed!

[@dreinhard52]

Peace is simple , Russia leave Ukrainian territory. Borders were agreed . Budapest memorandum. Russia can pay forever , gas and oil

[@dessmith7658]

BRICS nations are taking over

[@samthemacman]

Peace is simple. NATO out of Ukraine and stop expanding east. Liars and deceiptful neocons. Broke their word in 1992. The West and NATO cannot and should NEVER be trusted.

[@alu780]

4EVER! Amen. 🇺🇦

[@building-F]

@@dessmith7658 With China as the dominant power. Russia GDP (less than Texas) is nothing compared to China.

[@khiem1939]

@@building-F Before Putin's War, the GDP of Russia was about the SAME as that of Italy...but less than the State of California!

[@marktackman2886]

Only thing Robert Fox was right about is how the US media treats this like a baseball game rather then a war.

[@charlesburgoyne-probyn6044]

For them it is - geography

[@timmilder8313]

I mean, its working hilariously well for us with pretty much no skin in the game. What would you expect?

[@blechtic]

He was right about the brexit thing too, though. And most of the US media treats *everything* like a baseball game. It's not democrats vs. fascists, or truth vs. lies, or fact vs. fabrication, or scientists vs. paid shills of corrupt businesses, it's not shades of grey or murky facts, it's always either two equally valid teams fighting it out fairly or us vs. them. If it's the latter, then our guys can do no wrong and their guys are always wrong, regardless of facts. That's what it seems, at least, with few exceptions.

[@marktackman2886]

@@blechtic well put, because your position is of a certain view it's hard to know if that's exactly true but, I get the gist of what you're trying to say

[@daydays12]

yes. that was well said

[@EvilChuckie]

I have a friend whose friend knows someone who told him that a relative of his neighbours brother found a cleaner who works at a well-known secret intelligence organisation thats said " we don't have a clue what we are doing"

[@adamblack267]

They know exactly what they’re doing and don’t care how many lives are lost in the process. Both civilians and soldiers.

[@SMarkGee]

my friend knows that guy. small world. i think we have better connections than Mr fox

[@mrmikecrocodile4238]

Are we supposed to take that seriously?

[@eoliver437]

An extraordinary number of 'ifs, buts, and maybes' in this contribution. And not a single named source unfort.

[@johnsteiner3417]

People who claim to know when this wars ends should be ignored. I've seen them make numerous prognostications and be wrong every time.

[@adamblack267]

It will end one day but either way it will not end well.

[@NUMMEHARBEN]

It will end one day but the other days it will not end.

[@adamblack267]

As long as there are rich and powerful people in this world, war will never cease.

[@constantquestioning4010]

It will end with REGIME CHANGE IN DC end 2024/start 2025

[@blijebij]

Can not agree more.

[@veex48]

Robert Fox underestimates Ukrainian bravery, brains, and resolve greatly. Ukraine will retake Crimea within the year.

[@bryandimery6509]

Yep. Ukraine will march on moscow then bejing by end of yr

[@bilboriches7216]

​@@bryandimery6509russian bot? Nice try. You know that russian nazis are losing.

[@Subher0]

@@bryandimery6509 They could certainly march to Moscow if the west would allow them. Wagner cut through Russia like a hot knife through butter. The fact you are a despicable disgusting war criminal defender and don't want Crimea to be liberated, that does not mean it won't happen. At this rate, Ukraine will certainly liberate Crimea within the year.

[@SavageJunky]

@@bryandimery6509 🤣🤣 Butthurt cuz your pathetic army is getting wiped out by conscripts equip with completly outdated west equipment? 🤣🤣

[@jamesmaybrick2001]

@@bryandimery6509 Hey Putlerbot, you are confused between reality and the junk spewed from the Kremlin.

[@Letsplay222]

"Neither side can last another winter" - Why couldn't Russia last another winter? They still have hundreds of thousands of uncommitted troops and their economy is humming along. Ukraine is losing terribly but I don't see how Russia is in any trouble.

[@NowegianRich]

Is this chap Fox uninformed about the military might of the Russians or is he just being deliberately obtuse?

[@brianhammer5107]

Ukraine has not been losing. What is WRONG with you? Are you a communist??

[@smftrsddvjiou6443]

Wishful thinking.

[@Letsplay222]

@@smftrsddvjiou6443 Ukraine is down to its last 10 brigades of uncommitted troops. Russia has hundreds of thousands of troops yet to be committed. This war is only going one way.

[@matthewrice3432]

​@@Letsplay222mmm... where did you get those statistics, may i ask?🤔

[@RobFisherUK]

I can't tell whether this guy is a real expert with lots of rare knowledge or someone who knows how to construct a narrative to sell a story.

[@sherrillwhately7586]

And not telling a very believable story. All about the big boys and those little insignificant people in the middle. Positively nauseating.

[@rogeramu]

The Norwegian oil fund is huge and Ukraine is in many ways a great investment oppourtinity. If our current government were to find the vision, the spine and the will to do something like that; great, I would support it, but it would have been the first time the government has ever shown such qualities. As for a peace deal, that is for the Ukrainians to decide. If they want to keep fighting, we should support them all the way. A future with Russia as a mafia state is not good for anyone, least of all the Russians themselves.

[@thedon9670]

The latter completely.

[@mslayous1]

If you expect a blanced presentation go elsewhere!

[@iloveaviation-burgerclub-a8145]

At least he knows how to mess up a shelf.

[@paulrogers1]

Don't give the Russians nothing.

[@buravan1512]

They already got something

[@wardygrub]

Double negative.

[@proletariat9467]

? Give oh like the Ukrainians? How did the Minsk agreements go, nope Ukrainians are puppets of the West and you like enslaving fighting age millitary men and sending them to die, nice job. Funny how many men enslaved and sent to die for evil politicians, the reason you say that is because you or your kids are not being sent to the front lines to die. Ugh Westerners, so derp.

[@crystalclearforukraine]

Pushing for airdefense would be a lot better than premature misplaced peace negotiations.

[@nikodemus21]

If the four military powers USA, Germany, France and the UK work together so well, why were the pipelines blown up?

[@FrostSapphire-bm2tt]

😂😂😂

[@mrmikecrocodile4238]

How were they supposed to prevent it?

[@LouigiVerona]

What strikes me as strange in these discussions is how the problem is always Ukraine, but never Russia. It's Zelensky who doesn't want to budge. It's Kyiv that doesn't want peace talks. But, dear geopolitical experts, Ukraine has never been the problem. All along it was Russia. Imagine that! It's Russia that comes to these negotiations and says - okay, give up Kyiv and Zelensky and let us occupy the whole of Ukraine - then maybe we'll talk. That's the problem, not Kyiv. Ukraine is fighting for its survival against an enemy that will never - at least, until Putin is alive - give up its maximalist goals. Robert says - none of them will be able to maintain the same level of fighting. Putin doesn't care. He'll turn the economy into wartime mode, he'll mobilize even more people, he'll continue pushing to the last soldier. All the West had to do was to take this war seriously and provide serious weapons from day 1. Not begrudgingly provide a small part of what Ukraine has been asking for, delivering it months later and then saying - oh, the counteroffensive is not so great. Of course it's not so great - Ukraine has to beg for the weapons it actually needs. And a lot of it is still not there!

[@JamesC785]

Well said @LouigiVerona

[@lewismorrison4098]

Yep

[@johnosullivan2197]

Zelensky is NATOs boy

[@jaarneal]

One fundamental problem is the belief that Putin might use nuclear weapons. That belief is a problem because Putin… can’t use nukes and stay in power. I’m not even talking about a nuclear apocalypse or Moscow being blown up or anything like that. Polls in Russia, which show broad support of (or at least tolerance for) the war and for Putin… also show that a very strong majority of Russias say nukes shouldn’t be used in Ukraine. Couple this with the fact that India and China have called for the war to end. And China has specifically said nukes shouldn’t be used in Ukraine. Putin’s political position domestically AND internationally would unravel if he used a nuclear weapon… I don’t think a lot of people appreciate this.

[@FulloutPostal]

I would love to agree 100% with what you said, but you don't go far enough... we should give ukraine the means and permission to strike military targets in russia! that's another thing nato would do to cut supplies, but expects ukraine to do without... and any western country criticizing ukrainian tactics should put their money where their mouth is and send a brigade of their own to "show 'em how it's dun"

[@gazzdav]

Seriously who is he kidding Ukraine will never give up the land to Russia and to even consider giving Russia any part of Ukraine is sending the wrong message to a violent dictator.

[@dudeonyoutube]

You live in a fantasy world.

[@peternolan4107]

@@dudeonyoutube No. He lives in a world where civilization and the rule of international law prevail over blood-thirsty countries like Russia.

[@blechtic]

He literally laid out the play Russia has been waiting for since last summer.

[@daydays12]

agreed

[@triggerwarning5762]

​@@blechticHe literally laid out the plan they agreed upon last year, before Boris Johnson nixed the deal.

[@72mespo]

Nice to see the Times finally admit the obvious fact that Ukraine has lost the war and will have to give up territory. Russia will never let Ukraine have NATO missiles minutes from Moscow nor should it. The US would never let Russian missiles in Mexico and Russia won’t do the same in Ukraine.

[@normalhispanicdude]

This only ends when Ukraine is in NATO and territory is returned.

[@tonupharry]

Ruzzia needs to fail

[@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473]

You're saying the 2014 Minsk cease fire accord was actually a trick to deceive Russia? Ukraine was supposed to remain a neutral buffer counter between Russia and the ever encroaching NATO. Putin can never again trust the West.

[@dudeonyoutube]

The war is over, Russia won. Stop being a fool for propaganda. Move on.

[@joaorobalo9353]

yes and your country will be the first one to disappear from map

[@user-hf8vt2yq5r]

This is not going to happen - The Ukes have no chance now that Rus has dug in and are very happy to bleed the Ukes out of their manpower. Maybe Zekensky should grab and rifle and see how impossible the task is. Start the negotiations or die on the wasted fields is their only choice. The Wests claim that the Russian people will turn on Putin is a pipedream. When the Ukes went into Russia with drones, there sealed the resolve of the Russian people - now they will pay for it - end this suicidal war now !

[@poladelarosa8399]

When the words "U.N. General Assembly"[5.16] are included in an analysis of the invasion of Ukraine or its aftermath, one can safely turn the dial, knowing a serious discussion lies elsewhere.

[@1arritechno]

True ; the U.N. get it wrong most of the time...!

[@Drago-xo6sq]

Why do I have the impression, that somebody wants to sell me a bridge.....

[@MankindFails]

If it's a bridge between Crimea and Russia, don't buy it.

[@rogerhudson9732]

The Times isn't paying attention to the vicious fighting on the front line.

[@jtothecc2421]

I listened to this to hear different voices, this is so different it's almost as if they're talking about a different war.

[@Johnny-qu9op]

Stability and security will never come to Ukraine as long as Russia holds onto Crimea ! ...

[@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473]

Crimea is historically Russian. Research your history.

[@dudeonyoutube]

Crimea has been Russian for almost 400 years and it's staying Russian.

[@michaelgothenburg364]

Agree, this war can go on for 10 years easily but it seems very clear that Ukraine will never and won't have to give up. This is geopolitics. Russia and Ukraine are quite irrelevant. This war is about China. Also interesting developments in BRICS, seems half of the members don't quite want to be there any longer. The tide is slowly changing, another 5 years should do it. Ukraine will get stronger, Russia weaker as time goes on

[@jonathanstein5049]

Got that right. Russia will not abide by any agreement. They will smile and shake hands, bide their time to reload, retrain and restock their military with secret help from China for the next war. They will only understand overwhelming Nato force to keep them within their borders.

[@oldbloke135]

@@dudeonyoutube Crimea was put under the jurisdiction of Ukraine by Stalin. Once Ukraine is given the long range missiles, Russia will be totally unable to hang on to it. The Kerch bridge will be gone soon, the "land bridge" is all already under fire control and the ports will be within missile range.

[@1mukulmukul]

Russia will never allow Ukraine to join NATO.

[@davidpilgrim3455]

In the meantime, Argentina has to recuperate its own territory; Malvinas Argentinas, taken away by Britain.

[@adamblack267]

I think Argentina would’ve already learnt that lesson the hard way.

[@davidpilgrim3455]

@@adamblack267 I know, anyway, Argentina won't give - up its right over those islands, no matter how many years passes.

[@adamblack267]

There were a lot of unfortunate things that happened under British hegemony. Countries have a lot more to worry about (eg climate change) than trying to reclaim lost territory. The same goes for Russia in regards to US hegemony.

[@davidpilgrim3455]

@@adamblack267 Climate change indeed is a worrisome matter. Anyway countries victims of colonial abuses, still have legit rights to continue their claims over unreturned territory.

[@adamblack267]

Well by that logic I guess you would support Mexico getting back California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. You can support it all you like but it’s never going to happen buddy. There are far too many lives that would be affected for a start, including the Falklands which is predominantly British nationals.

[@dbsteckey]

Why is it that when dealing with Moscow, we always have to appease the Kremlin. It’s always a one way street. If we need to demilitarize Ukraine, then we need to demilitarize Russia too.

[@dj_cakes]

its cos they have nukes. Thats it.

[@BK-uf6qr]

Unfortunately because of the Nukes. If Russia had no nukes, this would be a different war.

[@s0ycapitan]

@@BK-uf6qr How come? Would General Cluster Biden nuke Russia?

[@SerenityMae11]

Nah ruSSias nukes are literally worthless

[@fishingstevie8830]

@@BK-uf6qr Some of the Nato Countries also have Nukes ^ inc Usa .

[@matbell1514]

Does this guy know what he's on about? Questionable.....

[@andrewknapp3587]

Don't forget...10 percent for the Big Guy.

[@o.g.t.2041]

It's not an invasion. It's a liberation of the Donbas!

[@mrmikecrocodile4238]

Since that region is part of Ukraine and has been for decades including the days of the USSR yes it is an invasion. But clearly you don't recognise international law any more than the regime in Moscow.

[@lisbethmllegaard8437]

“ it starts and ends with Crimea”… zelenskij

[@Samantha_Dawson_]

😂😂😂

[@buravan1512]

It's already finished... CRIMEA is back.

[@ronnrayy5449]

I had high expectations for this interview until his very first words "I think" and then I realized it's just more guess work.

[@SMarkGee]

plus he failed to actually think.

[@mrmikecrocodile4238]

Could you do better? Do you know anyone who could?

[@lafreeman4558]

Well this prediction did not age well.

[@thattubesound2214]

I really do enjoy Times Radio and Ms. Gerbeau is excellent, always. But Mr. Fox seems to be an expert at organizing a lot of facts and narratives that we already know into a long story that tells us very little. His cadence is entertaining, but I did not really learn anything from this interview. Thank you, Times Radio for what you do. Normally, I relish every installment. Michael from Champaign, Illinois, USA.

[@alberto123iq]

maybe he could start organizing his room

[@vicki3220]

@@alberto123iq😂

[@whynot64928]

Sounds like appeasement to me

[@CentralPerspective-my2ev]

This will go on until there are no sticks or clubs to use to fight anymore. Then what is left of fist will be used. Ukraine has the superior will.

[@Rafael-xt1nm]

Sadly I think you are right. The reason I say sadly is cos this mean more innocent Ukrainians dying. We need to give them everything they need NOW!

[@thamor4746]

This will go on until Russia leader will change.

[@alexanderrobins7497]

Ukraine's two options are to fight on the battlefield for their independence, or be on the receiving end of a genocide by the russians again. I would rather go down swinging than to die a useless death.

[@dpelpal]

@@thamor4746 And a news russian leader will scream "Kyiv in 3 days" like putin. But the world will simply laugh lol

[@Realist369]

@@dpelpal and you shouted Ukraine have already won it’s all just winding down now.and the whole world 😂😂😂😂at you🤥🤡🤥🤡🤥🤡

[@georgepayne9895]

For me, this channel has become the first 'go to' for informed comment. The interviewees are given time to expand their knowledge, the interviewer is well briefed, & asks the right questions. Well done.

[@mactek6033]

CORRECTION: Ukraine's accession to NATO begins WWIII and nuclear war.

[@khiem1939]

Of course YOU are 100% wrong, but will never admit that NATO "Boomer" submarines all around Russia, each with 64 independently targeted Nuclear warheads, will make a FEW sane heads in Russia realize that a Nuclear War with the West will be over for Russia in LESS than 15 minutes, with no country named Russia remaining for thousands of years!

[@colin8877]

This guys legs must have been broken when the bomb went of in his room 🤣

[@Excudebat-gk6pj]

The height of supposition from the English land of fairies. Loves the sound of his own voice, even for a newscaster.

[@StevenWJRichards]

Sounds like you have lived here LOL!

[@julezpanda14]

​@@StevenWJRichardsSounds like a numpty😂😂

[@johnosullivan2197]

British intelligence haven’t got a single thing right since the war began in 2022

[@jiefflerenard1228]

so true

[@jasonwiedeman4825]

Isn't that a song? Loving your own voice is an echo chamber

[@khunmikeon858]

The Brits still believing they are an imperial power. LOL

[@briangibson6527]

Come on Robert,Get your office cleaned!!! it's a bloody MESS!!!

[@deecee1522]

LIBERATE CRIMEA❤‍🔥

[@yyccarportraits]

Ukraine will fight through another winter, no problem. I think they are somewhat holding back until winter when they will have more equipment, such as f-16s

[@billy2807]

Ukraine will fight through every winter until the rf is out of their country. As they should. Anyone who would suggest pacifism in Ukraine needs to have a HARD think about their priorities.

[@boota1979]

@@billy2807 Priority: saving Ukrainian lives.

[@bilboriches7216]

​@@boota1979Priority: destroying russians in Ukraine and Ukraine joining NATO.

[@neilpountney9414]

@@boota1979 at what cost rewarding military aggression. Ukraine must win otherwise Russia will just reload and come again

[@alexanderrobins7497]

@@billy2807 People who think there will be no killing if russia got to take over are deluded or know nothing of russian/soviet history. Ukraine has no interest on being on the receiving end of a genocide from the orcs again.

[@thomasdaniel100]

Will Times Radio come back this winter and walk back the Docs predictions.

[@lindyhoppingfool]

I am saddened by the depth of pacificism and lack of belief that Ukraine would not refuse any loss of land. Only a cutting off of western support would cause Ukraine to blink. The cutting off of this support would send a message to Taiwan, Philippines, and the many small Asian countries is that you will not be supported beyond what hurts. Ukraine went from a country predicted to loose in 3 days to a country genuinely holding Russia at bay. The fact is Russia loosing is a change in attitude. Ukraine loosing is a guarantee of a loss of independence and future conquest.

[@subodhsarin4247]

But the Ukrainians are all dead, is this a good price for "victory"?

[@mrmikecrocodile4238]

I take it you mean losing? Check your dictionary. Other wise I am with yu.

[@templar930]

Well done to this man for being free to do an interview while also having just had is home ransaked

[@donaxe9246]

That cracks me up

[@paulmitchell5349]

Putin has widened the conscription from age 18 to 30. Instead of 27. So forget Autumn.

[@s0ycapitan]

And Ukraine happily mobilizes the mentally challenged, sixteen year olds and seventy year olds. They have run out of able and willing bodies to sacrifice. My guess is there will be a mass mutiny at some time and poor Mr Green will meet the same fate as Mussolini.

[@ariz7493]

😂good luck with that. Grown men with families aren't going to want to sign up for that mess

[@JohnDoe-vy5hh]

Putin is running out of money and equipment.

[@rositasultana3958]

More meat for the grinder. Ruzzia falls even deeper.

[@00nigirimeshi]

Even 65 for officers

[@jamessmithers4456]

"British Challenger tanks being kept ‘firmly to the rear’, which is the favoured position for an Englishman with a public school education"

[@MyScubasteve]

Colonel H jones would disagree with you!

[@geoffw1209]

@@MyScubasteveDidn’t get the joke, then?

[@SweetBabboo13]

Fox's views about peace talks in the war is sooooo wrong. Zelinsky already said repeatedly what they want to achieve in this war, and he is absolutely correct. All the countries he named that have tried for peace are ones that r aligned with Russia. Zelinsky even said that they will continue without the help from others. It will b hard and not sure if it would work...BUT they want their country back in full, including Crimea. He is just wrong on so many points. The media needs to stop indulging this nonsense that the West will decide for Ukraine what they should do. It's not our decision...it's the Ukrainian people who decide when to end this war. They have already proven how courageous and strong they r, bc they know that if they don't save their democracy now...Putin will try again in the future.

[@ekoflow77]

You are correct and wrong at the same time. You say it’s not the West decision and you are correct. However, without the West’s support they would crumble under a month. So, with that being said the West has a lot of say in what happens.

[@randomclick2826]

Without NATO supplying, weapons, ammo, fuel etc. Ukraine simply cannot resist Russia. It’s entirely within NATOs power to end this war.

[@cruise_missile8387]

And without NATO troops on the ground, Zelensky has no way to get those lands back. Certainly not Crimea and the core regions of the Donbass but probably not a whole lot more from where they are now. The Russians have the manpower and resources to continue and now they have to since the annexed regions are Russian lands according to Russian law. They're now obligated to keep fighting to secure AT LEAST the annexed oblasts. But since the current intensity level is unsustainable, it'll probably turn into a somewhat frozen conflict like it was post-2014 while still technically continuing. There's way too much wishful thinking going around and determining policy. Be realistic.

[@subodhsarin4247]

Ukrainians are all dead by now, and you are delusional 😜😜

[@spankyjeffro5320]

Nope. No peace. No deals. Russia loses. Putin dies. Ukraine gets its land back. That is the ONLY way this war will end. NOBODY gets to decide otherwise.

[@kimchi2780]

I see Poland ending this war without invoking article 5.

[@JohnDoe-vy5hh]

I would like that.

[@dpelpal]

Poland is now the new superpower in Europe. They could eliminate the entire russian fleet in hours in they chose.

[@marrgo72]

@@dpelpal What are you talking about??? I am asking from Poland.

[@dessmith7658]

Still waiting for nato then

[@tobenamedshortly]

@@marrgo72 poland are great people and could destroy russia in a heartbeat

[@realRainz]

Ukraine won't give up an inch, and so wouldn't UK if attacked by Russia. UK didn't give Falkens away to keep peace, didn't it?

[@dudeonyoutube]

Ukraine has already given up about 25% of its territory and Russia is never giving it back.

[@paulnicholson1906]

@@dudeonyoutube they have already given quite a bit back. Maybe not willingly. The Russia-Ukraine border will become the new East/West Germany border or North/South Korea and the rancor will last at least as long.

[@realRainz]

@@dudeonyoutube Ukraine didn't give up any territory, you rooski troll. Russia took it, but now Ukraine will get it back and then some. sit tight

[@triggerwarning5762]

The Falklands was the best example you could come up with?

[@realRainz]

@@triggerwarning5762 Ukraine will get all her territories back, live with it

[@creatorsnetwork]

Very good Interview

[@RTmadnesstoo]

The Faulkner quote is "The past is not dead. It's not even past." and it refers to the American Civil War. Trying to get more out of it is pure conjecture.

[@andyhurrell]

I'm sure this Fox guy is very clever and very knowledgeable, but I really couldn't make sense of quite a lot of what he was saying, especially in the early part of the interview when he was talking about negotiations (if indeed that was what he was actually talking about). It seems to me as clear as daylight that Russia has to withdraw its forces from Ukraine and pay for the damage it has done. Why does any decent, sane person want to make it more complicated than that? Slava Ukraine!

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

agree

[@phueal]

You’re confusing what should happen with what will happen. Of course Russia should withdraw and pay reparations, but do you think that’s what will happen?

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

@@phueal confiscation of offshore money and other assets are being thought to be used to rebuild ukraine. changed world, isn't it? Russia will pay for this war twice (or three times counting the blood of russian "soldiers" and oil of destroyed equipment, numbers raising everyday)

[@bezdownunder5481]

Because to the Victor go the spoils... USA need resource for China... there is not enough depth of equipment in nato for ukraine. Did you really think the looser gets to set the terms. Russia is just to big for ukraine.

[@priscianusjr]

I think Mr. Fox really represents the conventional point of view of the the financial markets, "The City," "Wall Street," etc.

[@frankripley5188]

NATO is going to negotiate a peace deal for Ukraine? Does Ukraine have anything to say about it? How about NATO giving Alaska back to Russia? The USA won't mind will it? It's only a peace deal. Better yet give the States that make up the Louisiana Purchase back to France. I'm absolutely sure that will keep the peace.

[@building-F]

Alaska was bought by theUSA from the Russian Empire after defeat in the last Crimean War. And how about Russia gives northern Manchuria back to China.

[@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473]

Ukraine needs to back to Poland the land taken from them.

[@phueal]

Which interview were you listening to? He was describing negotiations between Ukraine and Russia, not NATO.

[@subodhsarin4247]

HAHAHA!!! Best comment 😊😊

[@subodhsarin4247]

@frankripley5188, request your permission to use it elsewhere.

[@kahutochishisumi9056]

Just one question. Who's supplying the Russians with ammunition? 😂😂😂😂😂

[@72seeker72]

Excellent interview! Hope he has some free time to clean up his office afterwards.

[@razakaze]

Frag that, no peace, war until the end of Russia

[@JohnDoe-vy5hh]

Destroy Russia. I'm with Ukraine for as long as it takes. 🇺🇲🇺🇦🇺🇲🇺🇦🇺🇲🇺🇦🇺🇲🇺🇦🇺🇲🇺🇦🇺🇲🇺🇦🇺🇲🇺🇦

[@dpelpal]

I don''t think the end of russia is far off. The damn country has had 3 coups in the last 100 years for gods sake 😂 I still remember the russian army blasting a hole in the side of the Kremlin lol

[@proletariat9467]

There will be no end to Russia, this could last for 20 years and in that time China, and the East rise, India, Africa, the MIddle East all so sick of wierdo European and US colonialists telling the whole world how to live an exist. Just demons in Europe, idealogical witch burning wierdos.

[@martinMD]

The best war coverage of Ukraine online

[@dougphalen]

This guys stunned. The Russians are playing chess and it’s almost checkmate.

[@timrobertson8436]

"Just tell us what you know." "Well, this is what I think . . . " Not exactly what you know, is it?

[@frankripley5188]

Give Ukraine the jets they need and the mine clearing equipment they need and you armchair generals will get the action you need.

[@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473]

And Russia will cut loose and flatten Ukraine. If necessary Russia will use some of its 6,000+ nuclear bombs.

[@dudeonyoutube]

LOL The Ukrainian army has been destroyed. It has about 10 brigades left (10X 4500 men).

[@Withnail1969]

Give them jets from where? They cost $100 million each.

[@tobenamedshortly]

EXACTLY GAME OVER ONCE THE F16s ARRIVE

[@BlackEpyon]

​@@Withnail1969there are literally thousands of F-16s out there, many of which are being replaced with the newer F-35s anyways. It's a very versatile platform, and is compatible with the other NATO weapons we'd like to send.

[@PeloquinDavid]

I'm by no means convinced that Ukraine can't and won't fight through into next year. It's by no means clear that Russia can/will want to do likewise. Frankly, anything short of regime change in Russia makes any "peace" meaningless. I can see outsiders insisting on an ambiguous outcome for Crimea to preserve Russian pride (e.g. complete demilitarization of Crimea - including an end to Russia's fleet in Sevastopol and the future of Crimea left to some sort of referendum in 20 years' time...), but that's just foolishness smacking of Munich.

[@la7dfa]

The weak point in Russia is Putin. For all we know he can be gone tomorrow, and the Orcs heading home.

[@samthemacman]

I will only accept regime change in Kiev, Washington, Brussels, London and Berlin. Russia is just fine.

[@evelyncraig7243]

Not their job to decide for Ukraine the people of Ukraine will not let their government or president give up Ukrainian lands and president zelensky will not agree to that

[@dudeonyoutube]

Russia has won. it's over.

[@blechtic]

Russian pride is what keeps starting these wars. Too easy for a dictator to play to it by lying. Pride prevents them from accepting the cold hard truths about their country, history and the world.

[@MrZlocktar]

Dear "expert", just so you know - this will age like milk.

[@vishitokinny6927]

I wish the host mistakenly invited Col. Douglas McGregor and see her reaction.🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@chicomacdonald7843]

Is this guy serious??????????????Russia has NEVER kept an agreement or treaty...........NEVER

[@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473]

You're talking about NATO not keeping its word. Remember NATO's pledge to Russia "We will not advance one inch further eastward."? Liars!

[@dudeonyoutube]

You mean the west hasn't. Go listen to John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs on how the West continously screws Russia over.

[@marktackman2886]

Straight up, Robert Fox was all over the place on his opinions., the comments about us media and German politics were the only things that seemed to be the actual truth.

[@mr.coolmug3181]

_"Ukraine's accession to NATO" "by Autumn"_ Gurl, pass me what you're smokin'!

[@barrydimmock5771]

It seems to be Christmas all the time for Zelensky and the gifts

[@andresmariscal624]

Why is the missile campaign on the ports “ridiculous”?

[@rev.waynet.oleary7387]

We have to be careful here, nobody knows when or how this will end.

[@Ed_Downunder]

In-depth analysis from every angle make the analysis circular. The basic truth is, if Russia gains any territory from Ukraine, this is not only a reward for aggression but an abdication of responsibility of the United Nations. If Ukraine does not win, the world looses. There is no alternative to a sovereign Ukraine. Or an alternative to a United Nations be found because at the centre of the United Nations is the Charter, and Russia was a founding member who breached every protocol.

[@maxruedy951]

I agree with your points except that it was the USSR that was a founding member not ruzzia.Ruzzia shouldn't even be on the security council anymore because they were just a part of the USSR which doesn't even exist anymore,they occupied the USSR's seat illegally and should be kicked out.

[@briandbeaudin9166]

​@@maxruedy951Exactly!

[@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473]

Go learn the background history of that part of the world BEFORE you make such nearsighted conclusions. Russia has been forced to live in self defense mode for decades.

[@Ed_Downunder]

@@maxruedy951 Thanks Max. 100%. I discussed this earlier in the war, but interest in the topic of Russia's legitimacy died. Maybe it's time to bring it back into the public space for discussion.

[@Ed_Downunder]

@@firstnamerequiredlastnameo3473 Really? Russia has lived like an outlaw for 100 years. There is some history for you. You are justifying aggression and land seizure from a sovereign country. This is Russia pattern. Russia is in violation of the UN Charter and basic humanitarian laws. Putin is a criminal with an international arrest warrant for him. Bombing civilian infrastructure is a war crime. Russia, according to public knowledge, is a pariah. NATO has expanded because Russia wants to expand and regain an historical Empire. Wake up to reality. The Ottoman Empire rose up and then fell. The British Empire rose and then fell. That is the way of empire. Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with some historical facts, not make silly comments. Cast an eye toward Finland and Sweden. That is a direct consequence of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.