PvZ Heroes is Getting Balance Changes!!???

[@ConfusionUwU]

pvzh devs got scared that fry would move to bloons card storm so they finally started making an update

[@FryEmUpGaming]

lmaooo

[@iiamiizzyy]

LOL popcap is like that one ex that hates to see you move on but was treating you HORRIBLE during the relationship lmaoo

[@thegatlingpeayt]

Facts lol

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

That’s exactly what I said on-stream lol

[@fabiovenegas9331]

​​@@iiamiizzyy EXs, literally

[@Obsructor2]

This felt like 2 people making balance changes, 1 was drunk and the other was genuinely trying to balance, they looked at fry’s tier list and just looked at f,d,a and s tiers and never heard why they were good/bad.

[@megatyxg]

there actually were two people that did these balance changes lol, check out rcch's post

[@echris10sen]

They probably were assigned to a dead project and are doing their best to do something. It'll get better if they continue to help it out

[@snowpools8498]

@@echris10sen Yeah if they actually try, I'm sure it could go well with community feedback

[@DJ_Wolfy5]

that is actually somewhat close to what happened. There was one person that made the balance changes, they were all stupid, and there was another person that had good balance idea. But only a few of those good ideas made it through as the person with the dumb balance ideas had control over it.

[@spand9043]

You really have to keep in mind that ability changes were not included. Dumb stuff like the bean counter nerf are probably counterbalanced by a buff to it's ability (maybe it gets +2 stats now) that we just don't see on this graphic. We need to wait and see

[@Mafaka2000]

Puff shroom costing 1 sun should be illegal

[@MohamedShalabni]

Completely destroying his gimmick from the first game by making him cost sun

[@allenparker2113]

⁠​⁠@@MohamedShalabniyes the whole point of puff shroom was it was something you could play for free while producing sun and building your defense during night time levels because sun doesn’t fall

[@condoslime776]

Now it's just a worse shroom for two, shellery and garlic. It's hilariously bad.

[@toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917]

Now it's just Button Shroom with a team up​@@condoslime776

[@bluerhyno2710]

If they want to nerf cob cannon nerf cob cannon not puff shroom

[@averg6261]

The year is 2032. PvZ Heroes has collapsed into a state of madness. Every ranked match is between plants and Smash Pets, and Pets always win. The number of homeless Guardian Pacakage users rises exponentially. Budget-Aggro Solar Flare players have united with Grass Knuckles players, taking to the streets in violent protests, constantly being silenced by Teleport-Mechasaurs. Rumors have that an underground faction of 1-Cost Puff Shrooms and Weenie Beanies plan to overthrow the superior Pet deck government.

[@imvengence_]

Why is this not the top comment 😂😂

[@Neomia_04]

SWIMMER CHANGES IS GAME CHANGING, I'M IN FEAR!

[@Teapotman2]

It only affects swimmer if you play it dry tho

[@pierre1069.]

no, it's a game changer! f tier to SS​@@Teapotman2

[@toxic_shr00m]

​@@pierre1069.Nerf moving it to top tier is real

[@anmspafan7855]

Does one less damage now if Pecanolith is on the field, making it less likely to kill Spudow's Grapes of Wrath and accidentally hit yourself. What a practical and useful change!

[@ycrhzhangzhong9819]

​@@Teapotman2exactly omg this card is top tier now I'm shaking in my boots

[@Catitude1719]

28:22 Synchronized Swimmers nerf is so massive that it might single-handedly change the entire meta😭

[@gamermikemain111]

guys we forgot that it cant be played into total eclipse now!!!

[@maeno7076]

Noooo it will die in trapper territory😭😭😭

[@Grievous_Nix]

Noooo it's now destroyed by missile madness splash

[@poto2826]

Destroyed by Conga 😭😭😭

[@gamermikemain111]

also haunting ghost is gonna be silly

[@legoamazervsgames1032]

My thoughts on some balance changes: -If puff-shroom goes up to 1 cost, it instantly removes its entire purpose. Puff-shroom is supposed to be the iconic 0 cost, but now it’s kinda worthless.

[@harraz7632]

some

[@highlander2620]

I find dumb that they nerfed puff shroom but not shroom for too as well.

[@strav8337]

Just doesnt make sense as a nerf anyways. Better off straight up removing it than adding another 1-1 1 cost no useful ability card. All other team up plants outclass it now

[@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8]

@@highlander2620also if cycle cap was a problem I feel like the unblockable bullseye thing that deals damage to face at the low low cost of placing a puff shroom down is the problem

[@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8]

@@strav8337 I feel like a better nerf would be to remove bullseye or increase astro shrooms cost while slightly upping HP

[@MohamedShalabni]

The janitor is a zombie main fr

[@yourgoodolunclejoe2894]

Clearly not if he buffed Mayflower. Bro has a thing for amphibious plants, but why buff Mayflower 😭

[@simpingforangelica6519]

😂

[@axeltheinternetsweeper8082]

In his defense there is a janitor zombie

[@Grievous_Nix]

@@axeltheinternetsweeper8082 a CUSTODIAN zombie!

[@kairuhikari1475]

​@@axeltheinternetsweeper8082Dont call him a janitor! He's a SPACE CUSTODIAN and he's darn proud of it

[@carterbeane795]

Dude, I’m just hyped to final see something change in literal years

[@yourgoodolunclejoe2894]

Unless those changes involve Mayflower getting buffed

[@Tacoman4655]

No real. Even if the changes are bad, just seeing a shift in the meta would be great to see.

[@brownskelition6462]

Agreed

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

The good, the bad, and the OH MY GOD WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT of PvZ Heroes.

[@HoverMelon2000]

1/1 bean counter 💀 I’m just hoping that the text of the card was changed to be three weenie beanies or something…

[@Itsjustatheorythatthisismyname]

All of these 1 hp cards are going to make nibble a lot better, also how was your 4th of July twilight?

[@yourgoodolunclejoe2894]

Cough *Mayflower* Cough

[@DoubleDuck2]

I'm losing brain cells from the synchronized swimmer change

[@12bjorn34]

2/1 Swimmer is the most hilarious nerf 😂

[@lilzek8701]

This is the first time puffshroom wasnt free in any plants game 😭

[@Ryniano]

The views and interaction with this video just shows how much people want more content

[@zemufinman1639]

The puffshroom change is baffling. The only change they should have made is that it should fade away and die at the start of the plants next turn like in PVZ2

[@cloke3076]

NOW THIS is a genuinely good idea for a puff-shroom

[@mirac8803]

Please just make it into PvZ Heroes headquarters (which is prolly just some random guy's bathroom) at this very point

[@gamean5873]

Something very interesting is happening to this game, with the recent changes to the app, different pack events, new daily challenges and now possible balancing changes It seems like they are putting a little effort in the game, maybe to see if there is still interest in the game in order to fully continue development (though it could also be one dude in popcap that was a little bored)

[@aaronconvery]

The Janitor finishes his shift early to sneak onto the popcap computers to make some secret changes

[@nou653]

Fry is the only person that can get stream sniped even in fucking google docs lmao

[@Pudding404]

Never would I expect tf2 and pvz heroes getting noticably updated, not only in the same year, but within the spam of a few months.

[@bugueadoporbugisoft1616]

And all of that was before Silksong

[@yourgoodolunclejoe2894]

Mayflower buff before GTA 6 is wild (and not in a good way)

[@Auriacularia]

@@bugueadoporbugisoft1616goddammit ;-;

[@stereotipicalyoutuberanter9813]

#fixtf2

[@sussy3778]

PVZ UPDATED LET'S GOOOO (Hi pudding)

[@dav_0395]

"How much do you want the zombies to better than plants?" Devs: yes

[@Siristhisyourcar]

Cycle cap is no more 😊

[@yourgoodolunclejoe2894]

It’s crazy how most plants get nerfed and then Mayflower was buffed of all plants

[@gerzmtovsstupidchannel977]

literally zombies have always been somwhat better imo

[@sungjin-woo694]

Ye but now is overpower

[@jondressler4486]

Zombies have almost all been buffed; plants have been gutted. I wonder if the devs looked at zombie win rate vs plant win rate and not just individual card win rates

[@i.yukimuraa.bahamut6685]

Keep in my that all the buffs and nurfs affect reincarnation and leaps too

[@thebucketheadgaming]

Bad Moon Rising can't make Garg Throwing Imp anymore

[@deleted-something]

What

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

@@thebucketheadgamingAll things considered, I think that’s a good thing.

[@fabiovenegas9331]

​@@thebucketheadgaming now BMR decks are coming to be Tier 1.5 decks, Brainstorm is now an scarier hero, but still dies easily to aggro.

[@Ben-fp2yc]

@@fabiovenegas9331 aggro is non existant

[@nacl4988]

I like the part where they buffed Cheesecutter by making Leftovers and Coffee way better

[@BorisGamingChannel]

As FlowerMan said, these changes probably were not finished and ability or text changes could come, that would explain changes like 1/1 bean counter (like it would get +2+2 per bean maybe). I still wouldn't get some of the changes though, like for example what text would make the 8/8 mechasaue change make sense? Either way though I'm really hyped for the changes.

[@idkwhattonameopentosugge-ng6cm]

maybe instead of having a dino roar it will spawn a zombie per turn (that would cut its swarm value by a large margain)

[@BorisGamingChannel]

@idkwhattonameopentossuge-ng6cm yeah I did think about that, but I would REALLY dislike that change, the card would be less fun and it wouldn't fit the dino theme which would suck

[@maestrojogaming2126]

Big brained

[@HoverMelon2000]

Yeah I’m pretty sure that bean counter’s text HAD TO have changed to warrant the stat nerf

[@sergioterenzi8236]

ALSO maybe exploding fruitcake will deal 5 damage to even it with sizzle OR sizzle will deal 4 damage to even it with exploding fruitcake 💀

[@tempus_excurrens]

And Cheese Cutter got an indirect buff. Now if you draw Leftovers as a Gourmet Card, it will cost 0 And you always run Cheese Cutter in a Smash Deck. Imagine the madness of Cat Lady, Cheese Cutter, Flag Zombie, Teacher, Zoologist, Leftovers, Coffee Zombie, even King Zombie, in one freakin' deck. Because theyre all multi-synergetic with each other.

[@yourgoodolunclejoe2894]

That’s actually a very smart way to look at things. If only the devs were as smart when balancing Mayflower

[@aaronconvery]

I'm taking notes rn, this would be a rather devious deck

[@MakusinMeringue]

can't wait for otk leftovers

[@tempus_excurrens]

@@aaronconvery Goat is now mega viable, it's basically like the Lil' Buddy + Pepper MD combo in the plants side but with Zoologist and Goat, Zoologist becomes so difficult to remove that it makes Goat so dangerous even as just a 3/1. Plus if you played Cat Lady on Turn 1, and then Zoologist + Goat on two, you have 3 threats on the board by turn 2, it's madness, they can't deal with all of them. And then there's Leftovers + another minion in turn 3, it's practically GG. Which slides in nicely with Secret Swimmer Combo as well. Whether it be Flag Swarm, Trick-Smash, Secret Swimmer, or a Pet Deck. The ramifications of these buffs sets up Beastly and Hearty to be the best early game domination classes.

[@Timister0902]

Leftovers should have been 2 cost- Target zombie gets +2/+2 All other zombies get +1/+1

[@justinmelendez9875]

The 4-brain difference between leftovers and monster mash is crazy

[@thalesbernardomendes8949]

Hilarious😂

[@not_a_cheter]

they should buff monster mash to 3-cost and then it could be a budget version of going viral

[@paulomatute4114]

1 month without news, but we have waited 7 years, surely they will come soon...

[@anmspafan7855]

Leftovers becoming literally zombie version of the plant's Storm Front superpower is... something for sure. Hearty is definitely going to dominate after this. Nerfing Photosynthesizer to cost 2 instead of 1 makes a lot of frail answers like forget-me-nuts much harder to use to counter zombie trick spam, and black eyed pea can't handle tricks as well either. As a plant player I'm pretty unhappy that buffs were insignificant, and nerfs were pretty big to a lot of key cards. But at the very least, metas will finally shift around!

[@pea-c]

In my opinion most of these balance changes don’t make sense But I hope the game will still be playable for the plants

[@imranhakiem6924]

Epic pfp

[@poto2826]

Won't be. They killed plant side and zombies are OP now.

[@DUXAbrawl]

yall always find something to complain about. DUDE ITS AN UPDATE AFTER 5 YEARS SHUT UP

[@TheRedRos]

@@DUXAbrawl plants are literally unplayable, 30 plant nerfs and like 1 maybe 2 meaningful zombie nerfs. yall always get all the buffs even after 5 YEARS SHUT UP

[@Notanegg.]

​@@DUXAbrawlthey killed the fucking game man

[@andrewdrost6786]

Its likely some of the cards also have ability changes that haven't been datamined yet. For example it's possible synchronized swimmer will only copy attack.

[@aaronconvery]

Developers: Makes leftovers 1 cost Monster Mash: Am I a joke to you?

[@DoubleDuck2]

More like, Monster Trash

[@gamermikemain111]

monster mash a 5 cost card: leftovers a 1 cost card that synergizes with pet decks

[@BigForAHedgehog]

Lunchbox:

[@cloke3076]

@@BigForAHedgehoglmao the lunchbox is worthless now

[@blueinrealm65]

Monster Mash buffed to 2 cost

[@alechandro89]

correction fry - this does not include any potential ability changes becuuse they haven't been found yet , not because there is 0 of them to be honest there could be 0 but either way we don't know yet for all we know they could be buffing bean counter ability wise but nerfing the stats ...hopefuly that is the case

[@FryEmUpGaming]

ability changes are unlikely because they are hard to code and can create bugs, maybe some 1's will be changed to 2's though, like bean counter

[@alechandro89]

@@FryEmUpGaming well yes That is in fact , an ability change , that's all that i meant xp

[@spaghettiisyummy.3623]

​@@FryEmUpGamingAlso, they might straight up add new cards. Very unlikely, but still.

[@Viel_Glueck]

I honestly think they should've asked a few of the pvz heroes streamers to come up with balance changes instead of doing some random as buffs/nerfs.

[@naveedulhassanmalik]

Conspiracy theory: popcap trying to automate the balance changes using chatgpt so they can fire the janitor

[@giovannimorales1675]

This seems very plausible.

[@realleonardgibson]

They should have nerfed synchronized swimmer to a 0 / 0

[@MakusinMeringue]

NGL, that would be very nice. Make it a 0/1 before it copies the stats

[@Gustavo-po9bd]

Wait we got a new pvz heroes patch before GTA 6💀

[@aaronconvery]

💀

[@Joseph_Broseph2007]

That’s crazy 💀💀

[@Quasarel]

It's weird how they nerfed almost every good plant card, but didn't do the same for zombies

[@alechandro89]

one thingy - guardian isn't FULLY dead , because citron amphibius decks exist , and with these buffs do effect quite a lot of those cards so , countertron may fall , but citron may end up holding up the guardian class from being completely useless

[@board-qu9iu]

True. Citron Amphibious Marine Bean meta lol

[@Blankspace-unrelated-to-song]

@@board-qu9iumore importantly the grabusters abilities

[@board-qu9iu]

@@Blankspace-unrelated-to-song yeah blockbuster and Forget me nuts hard carrying guardian

[@poto2826]

Yeah. And Rose still playable too. They don't nerf Brainana or Dragon.

[@spaghettiisyummy.3623]

Water deck. Ffs. Just gimmie my guardian package. I like it when the graves go boom.

[@voidpumpkin2638]

This patch has buffed summoning by a lot. As a control immorticia main, one of the biggest problems is haunted pumpking, and then summoning gets a 1 attack minion and I have to burn another card the next turn. All the 2 health agro cards being nerfed to one health is huge for summmoning and nibble, huge immorticia buff

[@purplevortexgaming]

Leftover is literally lunchbox but better now. I’ve thought about this nerf before this video and thought “ that would just make lunchbox horrible “ but if they made lunchbox 0 cost then I’d be happy. I think that’s a good chabge

[@HoverMelon2000]

I watched RCCH’s video about this and felt so terrible afterwards and didn’t want the patch at all, but then watching fry’s stream made me so much more excited for it! (Also his voice is MUCH less annoying). This patch alongside BCS betas and full game coming out soon means that fry will be making SO MUCH $$$!!! :)

[@nathans7760]

Fry has a really calm voice, yeah

[@toast3374]

I'm glad someone feels the same way about rcch's voice

[@PanPakapon]

It seems like most people in the comments are not realizing that these balance changes only show the changes to stats, NOT abilities. Cards like bean counter and puff shroom will likely get ability changes/reworks to make up for their bizarre changes

[@danhatter6823]

Oh man! Look at all these changes! Anyway, I’m gonna go back to playing Wall-Knight heal decks with little to no conceivable difference.

[@mirac8803]

IKR how come they didn't touch SOME of these heal cards, or Quickdraw Con Man

[@melvinthesuper194]

I really hope they do more then card changes. the game would blow up again if they added more cards or heroes

[@Siristhisyourcar]

Yes they need to add a new hero like Torchwood from garden warfare 2 :)

[@UphillBridge]

@@Siristhisyourcarthey already have a tree hero I don’t think they’d add another one

[@Siristhisyourcar]

@@UphillBridge I forgot about him, what about a soldier hero?

[@Wooltrack726]

​@@SiristhisyourcarThere is torchwood already in game bro.But no Captdead bread for exmple

[@Siristhisyourcar]

@@Wooltrack726 I just said I forgot

[@paulomatute4114]

3 months ago now 😐

[@Boonetube27]

Remember, there are also balance changes in the form of text coming, so maybe cards like bean counter will be better when it gets fully changed

[@Blankspace-unrelated-to-song]

How do we know this will happen? The text changes i mean

[@Boonetube27]

@@Blankspace-unrelated-to-song we don’t.

[@Blankspace-unrelated-to-song]

@@Boonetube27 oh okay. I only said that because your comment made it sound definitive

[@Boonetube27]

@@Blankspace-unrelated-to-song I mean there is definitely GOING TO BE text changes according to the devs themselves.

[@chrisbraysstormlogs]

My source is that I made it the f up

[@mtgbudgetbrews]

new set coming next trust ( Ive only huffed 3 paint cans today)

[@DrPootis]

Cant believe leftovers is rain but for zombies now...

[@gamermikemain111]

synergetic rain at that lmao

[@femurbreaker0]

to think leftovers is a common card and rain is a super power card

[@gamermikemain111]

to the guy thats going to argue "well zombies cant run like 8 minions on board bro" well plants cant flag swarm + teacher

[@panelatermica8683]

Finally bean counter got nerfed, this card alone is why I can’t go more than level 2 ranked🙏

[@QuetziPetzi]

The King and Battlecruiser getting 6 health possibly has something to do with Sizzle getting a massive buff

[@roodog1]

No way they thought this far ahead based on these changes lol

[@poto2826]

​​​​@@roodog1 It's actually a pretty easy thing to realize. 3 cost that deal 5 damage? That would be broken by itself.

[@mirac8803]

​@@poto2826It's also actually pretty easy to realize how making Synchronized Swimmer a 2/1 is barely going to affect it in ANY way

[@stimoj1209]

Melon-pultshould have "on heights" ability - like do 3 damage to a zombie or sth

[@FryEmUpGaming]

agreed!

[@birdogoose]

They're preparing us for set 5. They worked really hard on it, it took them 5 years to perfect

[@aaronconvery]

Jesus is more likely to return before they make set 5

[@jeffbezos2960]

​@@aaronconveryLmao

[@axeltheinternetsweeper8082]

Big bang might happen when set 5 dropped

[@pef_v6107]

@@aaronconvery Jesus is set 5

[@aaronconvery]

@@pef_v6107 Lol, his when destroyed ability is the Octozombie one in which he's but back into your hand so you could play him again, he's also got amphibious because he can walk on water

[@blueinrealm65]

jebaited? no news until now

[@luigi64fan]

I'm convinced the buffs were by a crazy type zombie main. There are so many nerfs to plants that give them only 1hp. Zmech super and barrel got buffed from these changes for sure.

[@zunkus-ec9gb]

Its worth noting that we still could see some ability changes, and also more stst changes since this was just found.

[@badrunna-im]

Spikeweed sector may suck as a control card, but it's kind of oppressive for tempo. It increases the threshold for chump blocking by a lot and a minion that would die to it usually just prevents you from blocking that lane that turn (outside of encrypt or some hearty cards or another environment) against a class with some of the most busted bulleye cards.

[@gapedandamazed6988]

Blow gun imp getting a 1 health buff, kangaroo getting a buff, and primal wallnut getting a 1 health nerf is the biggest bruh moment I've experienced this entire decade. Like I'm not even exaggaerating.

[@Ne_Ne_Vova_UA]

And 1 ho nerf to synchronised swmer XD

[@toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917]

They can make Synchronize Swimmer as 1/1 or 0/1, it still would be bruh​@@Ne_Ne_Vova_UA

[@jasonthompson8732]

@@Ne_Ne_Vova_UAwhat’s even the point of nerfing it?

[@Ne_Ne_Vova_UA]

@@jasonthompson8732 idk

[@UphillBridge]

Don’t forget Bamboozle lmao

[@Uhalright]

Imagine Cosmoss on turn 1 and then playing 3 hot lavas, and the opponent played something like an Imposter, or Leprechaun imp etc

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

I will say that even if a lot of these changes are… questionable to say the least, it will change the meta enough for new top tier decks to be discovered and finally break us out of the monotony we were craving. Plus, we don’t know any of the ability changes yet, so we can look forward (which is generous) to that!

[@HoverMelon2000]

Flowermanflower is the GOAT

[@juliocesarfernandesrodrigu8110]

Tbf despite no changes in years players still find new meta decks, it's one of the least stale metad in my opinion when comparing to the amount of time with no changes.

[@passionecrusaders6659]

Fry, what do you think about the disparity between the plant and zombie strengths now? Feels like the strongest plant strategy will likely be amphibious, with heal also maybe being viable (although it was nerfed through cob cannon)

[@passionecrusaders6659]

Just to clarify, what I meant by the zombie strength disparity is something others have pointed out : Some of the strongest plant strategies/classes were heavily nerfed, while some of the already-strong zombie classes (especially brainy and hearty) got massively buffed.

[@chunz8229]

Wondering if any of these changes would grief puzzle party

[@aaronconvery]

The one in which you team up a cob cannon with a 3 headed chomper will no longer work

[@toast3374]

​@@aaronconvery I mean the cheat solution would still be possible

[@zemufinman1639]

The glacta nerf is larger than you think because now they chain react into eachother way easier, now it only takes one dying to kill all of them

[@itsyaboijoemama697]

41:20 I know how, instead of being when your opponent draws a card deal 1 damage it should be end of turn deal 1 damage

[@strav8337]

It would still be meta since conman is an early game card and not that much card draw happens early game, it is a nerf but wouldnt really change the card that much.

[@itsyaboijoemama697]

@@strav8337 youve never played gardian package / cycle cap have you

[@erikwikberg8049]

Molekale with mushroom grotto transforming all puff shrooms into 2 costs will actually be pretty fun

[@blueinrealm65]

secret grotto buff? 🤯

[@user-vg8sn6dy1r]

Dude the synchronised swimmer nerf is so dumb it’s on par with the BFN soldier zpg cooldown reduction from 24 seconds to 23.75 seconds

[@potentialofprotonis3]

lool

[@kade4435]

im so glad im alive to see my favorite mobile game get a meta change after 5 years😭😭😭

[@rikoe6470]

Deep inside wishing popcap leaked this on purpose to get fry's reaction so they know what to actually do

[@aaronconvery]

That would be smart, but they should've just asked Fry directly what exactly to do for each card

[@Blankspace-unrelated-to-song]

@@aaronconverythat would lower their ego too much

[@nathans7760]

WELCOME, to the new pvzh era! This is big, and just may revive the game.

[@Pickup_LilBro]

true, i see alot of people hating hard on the update, i think they are really ungrateful for an update on a game without updates for YEARS, so the fact that the game got an balance changes update might have a chance of getting content update

[@nathans7760]

@@Pickup_LilBro yeah, exactly

[@matiasgeremia801]

​​@@Pickup_LilBro They hate it because unless a good amount of abilities change it will most likely just be worse than it is rn. Some of the nerfed cards were strong, but they're also fun to play and it's sad seeing them killed (tricarrot is now worst legendary and 2 drop contender) and most of the buffs were random and pretty mediocre, if not bad. I'm glad we at least get content tho, we might get a good balance change if this receives a lot of backslash

[@Pickup_LilBro]

@@matiasgeremia801 agree

[@josiahswanson1]

Not quite, but almost… maybe… I’m not getting my hopes up

[@mangostestes9371]

Really hope they touch Beta-Carrotina too tho, she really needed a buff in terms of superpowers. If i am the person who's coding it, i'd consider making lightning seeds "conjure 2 tricks that cost 3 or less", and making the ultimate summon the minion on the board.

[@mofffy586]

The hell does nerfing synchronized swimmer by one health do?

[@vezzel6116]

If used alone, without any other zombies on the field, it will have those stats it shows. Also, maybe he'll just copy the attack now.

[@imshutdownforever]

Puffshroom nerf will completely ruin the card, honestly, even budget players won't have a reason to run it because of shellery and wallnut. Although, some people are saying that text/ability changes aren't shown here, so if it *does* receive some sort of buff via text it better be HUGE otherwise it will go straight from S tier to F. Cob Cannon had a long-awaited and well deserved nerf. Way too strong and its secondary ability just shreds big cards, removing all your tempo. Secret Swimmer's nerf proves that the people in charge of this balance patch have never played the game. Pogo's nerf is useless, it's still OP. Elderberry's nerf is fine, though it'll still be good. Haunted Pumpking doesn't deserve to go underneath four attack due to the fact that it does draw your opponent a card so it needs that high reward factor. 4/1 is balanced. Black Eyed Pea is surprising tbh, the card will most likely be very below average now and I see it struggling to even be included in control decks. Though it'll still work good with onion rings, 4/4 that punishes for a trick. Amphibious cards got buffed insanely. Seriously, try fighting the Final Boss Citron on Zombie missions, that dude's amphibious spam is already annoying enough, now that strategy has the potential to work in multiplayer. 4/4 Navy Bean also dodges wrath. Speaking of wrath.... goodbye wrath, hello Cakesplosion! The fact that Zombology Teacher + Hearty Treat spam didn't get nerfed in any way is disappointing to me, honestly. It's just too good with going viral as well. Although I'm glad they're trying to revive the bad hearty cards. Sizzle's buff is going to make it into the same problem as modern-day Cob Cannon. Way too powerful, especially for its cost. Lava Guava's buff is deserved. Kabloom is now an INSANELY great control class. Hm. Interesting. SEEDLING GOT BUFFED??!! Oh my. HAHAHHAHA, pathetic guardian package users are now going to find alternatives. Tricarratops meta is no more (I hope). Spikeweed might just be the worst plant environment now. Even force field will do more for its cost. Cosmic pea is still sad as usual. Pod father meta?? It survives beam me up and bungee. Mechasaur... is now the best late game card. Seriously. The fact that you can combine it with Gadget Scientist for an OTK is ridiculous, also. Unless they decide to change its text, of course.

[@imshutdownforever]

Keep in mind, this is my opinion. If you disagree, lmk why, I might even change my POV.

[@pokefan4472]

suggestion for kangaroo rider: make it a 4/4 gravestone that goes back into a gravestone when hurt.

[@lamegamertime]

Winrate balance patches 🤢 It's not just that they came back to patch the game (why...?) but if it's really based on winrate that's sad. Let it be known guys, do not do this. Edit: those changes are somehow worse than I expected

[@lemonsnek9393]

No cowboy nerf, no significant nerf to Crazy Package, a lot of plants now have less hp. Hooooo boy

[@aaronconvery]

Zombies needed a buff so bad; the plant side is terrifying to fight against

[@Andretti2Tone]

Someone please tell the devs to buff cattail and red stinger.

[@theamazingtommo]

and nerf hard removal and pineclone

[@not_a_cheter]

@@theamazingtommo pineclone shouldn't get a stats nerf and instead cost 5

[@theamazingtommo]

@@not_a_cheter That wouldn't be a bad nerf at all

[@jlb0178]

What I noticed is the decent budget cards got a huge nerf on both sides. Like Flemco and budget Solar flare.

[@_Potato_]

How will this effect puzzle partys

[@ValkTricksterHybrid]

Hear me out, cryo brain, pogo, mug, zombot stomp, bad moon rising

[@xian2themax]

EA is nerfing aggro solar flare because it’s too good for free to play players, and they want people to spend more money. Same with flamenco

[@DJBaphomet]

Love how even in this datamined build, the Triassic set tag is still busted and shows the actual data tag instead of the normal set and rarity like with Galactic cards

[@AlexanderCute69]

Actuaaly Fry,Galactus Cactus being a 2/1 is a servere buff since it now just answer conman in 1,and galactus being a 2/1 doesnt make any difference since it will literally answer anything now on turn 1(I think)

[@FryEmUpGaming]

it is still answered much easier by nibble, a barrel explosion, any 1-attack zombie, zmech super etc. overall a nerf

[@AlexanderCute69]

@@FryEmUpGaming hmm ur right,but Im just saying that if they already committed something on turn 1 then Galactus will most certainly answer now,I get that yeah it will died by most thing that does 1 dmg like nibble,barrel or firework and can be very dangerous if they have garg throwing garg or garh throwing imp on the board,but Im just saying that he’s actually a very good turn 1 answer now :P

[@magolorgaming4598]

so they are doing that but arent patching the "no players found" bug

[@PHO3NIX_THE_FLAME]

average game update moment

[@magolorgaming4598]

@@PHO3NIX_THE_FLAME I've seen this one this is a classic

[@pokeyon7347]

Yeah i got that bug too but i found a way to fix ig

[@pokeyon7347]

It*

[@magolorgaming4598]

@@pokeyon7347 I only found completely impractical ways, did you find good ones ?

[@mangostestes9371]

Yeah comparing all the reactions from KZbin, Fry is definitely one of the wisest one

[@Lassoloc]

the fact that this game has a substantial update after so many years is monumental. i literally got so starved for new content that i started modding the game, and now they're actually throwing us a bone

[@waspsandwich6548]

29:40 This is hilarious and confirms your theory

[@endzor]

They buffed bonus track Buckethead but didn't touch regular Buckethead:(

[@taghreedali1948]

I love how Sham-rocket hasn’t even been nerfed once

[@sselinkaymak5721]

i dont think a game left to rot for 5 years that gets an update as soon as their biggest content creator moves on is a coincidence.And they killed aggro solar flare.

[@jogugaga7121]

I love the synchronized swimmer nerf so much.

[@egwenealvereiscool7726]

Its so weird that I think maybe it got an ability change that they havent found yet, idk whether that is possibe, but if synch swimmer only copied attack it would make more sense

[@Legorunner]

Conjure leap got leaped back from the past, even though they didn't even get buffed

[@Pippy_period]

Holy! I can't believe this. I think The last balance change was in 2019.

[@denz8ty648]

These are proposed 2020 balance changes tho lol, it only just got published

[@denz8ty648]

@Azurethewolf168 NDA signed

[@DCT-tt8ib]

The fact Puff-shroom got a cost increase but Swabbie didn’t just tells me these balance changes were done by Zombie-only players.

[@АртёмМурманцев-щ6н]

Someone from PopCap wanted to kill Grass Knuckles

[@aaronconvery]

I wanted him dead too

[@SimplySwifter]

Instead of Electrician becoming a three strength, two health. It became a two strength, THREE health. Totally the opposite of what I thought was better, but survival is more easier and that’s always good. Same with Landscaper, though at the start I thought health was better anyway.

[@FryEmUpGaming]

honestly 3/2 would be way too strong imo, it could just be run as an independent aggro card at that point with no synergy

[@fabiovenegas9331]

3/2 Electrician would be one of the best cards of the game, it would kill like 90% of plants (even with health buff) and become a propper aggro card, I'd like that change because things cant be more broken than the 1/4 conman and bullseye blob meta, Super Brainz was busted unironically, but I'd like him to be strong again, coz he has two top tier superpowers and one which you never use.

[@yes3410]

​@@fabiovenegas9331agree 3/2 electrician would maybe make science the best strategy

[@SamenPvz]

our prayers have finally come true!

[@pwotata9472]

IN THE WEIRDEST WAY!

[@DanKira3003]

There is a really huge swarm deck buff in Hearty We can use Lost Colosseum or Flag Zombie on 2 and Con Man play on 3 in Z-mech deck with teacher and free leftovers

[@supahbrainz6076]

Hoi, just to leave this here as a discovery one of my brothers made (it isn’t anything too surprising tho): A few weeks ago, my brother was playing a random match against a nightcap, had his planet of the grapes environment, and ran for some reason squirrel herder. When squirrel was revealed, it was able to remove the planet of the grapes environment, which was surprising for me, but made sense

[@matthewbauerle7153]

It’s the only way to kill an environment without replacing it I think.

[@supahbrainz6076]

@@matthewbauerle7153 Maybe, unless another card has a function like that, but I don’t think so

[@TerminatorZPG26]

​@@supahbrainz6076Technically Shovel Zombie, although it's a bounce, not destroying the environment

[@supahbrainz6076]

​​​@@TerminatorZPG26Yeah, at least its more useful his ability due to bouncing everything and not just the environment. But is interesting squirrel herder that is the only card that can actually remove an environment instead of replacing it. It's too situational and not worth it in a deck tho

[@atomicwheeze8756]

Squirrel Herder has always been able to do that

[@YellowSnow]

i wish they'd've buffed some of the chaff cards -- peashooter, line dancing zombie, etc

[@danhatter6823]

I’m sorry, was Zapricot so meta-defining they had to nerf it?

[@Kingkool23]

51:44 You gotta remember that sizzle exists now

[@tommylindholm6091]

still zero patch... Wish they could work on this game more. Its doing better then pvz3, and thats their more current baby theyve been working on

[@pitchdotto]

just had the realization that cakesplosion at 3 pretty much makes zombot's wrath a straight downgrade outside of it's absurdly difficult to achieve condition for getting the double damage

[@yes3410]

So basically they're going to have to make wrath cost 2 now

[@jacktheproslegend]

My idea on how to nerf con man is like this, same stats and cost, but now he loses his bullseye. But, his ability still does 1 bullseye damage. So that means he will charge the block meter everytime he attacks, but whenever the plant hero draws a card he will apply 1 bullseye damage per card, that way he can be used in decks that focus on making plant hero draw cards rather than also a dominating card in pirates.

[@menacing_name]

That would completely kill him

[@egwenealvereiscool7726]

I think it would be terrible. Even when the opponent draws cards it still only does 1 damage; generally 1 dmg is not worth charging the block meter. That would kill conman

[@strav8337]

Its just a 2 damage 3 health card at that point, conman really just seems like one of those cards that are impossible to balance without killing it, you cant change stats because then it would either become op or unusable. Only stat change i think could work is making it a 2-2 but then it just becomes like every other 1 cost card and possibly become better. Its Just a rough card to balance without completely reworking it.

[@fishyfishyfishy500akabs8]

@@strav8337 increase the cost to 2 and adjust its stats accordingly, honestly it does too much for a 1 cost card even considering the insanity that is some 1 cost zombies. Its stat spread (especially pre nerf) and type of ability it has is more in line with spacetime and teleportation zombie than tennis champ or disconaut. As an example a 2 cost hard to kill bullseye 1/4 or 1/5 that deals constant chip seems alot more fitting than a 1/3 1 cost abomination of a card that gets guarantee chip on the enemy and hurts them more if they draw anything

[@jacktheproslegend]

Well, my idea was to stop his synergy with pirates, but yall make solid points, so berry blast stays in every kabloom deck as always

[@NonrevGroup]

Me who doesn’t play nor watch this game: *hmmm interesting*