ACCO AND PYRO VERSUS THE TITANS | Pyro Reacts to Accolonn

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[@WilBgames]

The "we're in the realm of order" seems pretty unlikely. When we go to the seat of the pantheon, Xal'atath tells shadow priests: "Long have we sought entry into this realm! To think we have a mortal to thank for giving us our foothold. Your service will be remembered!" This suggests that the seat is in the realm of order, while our world is not.

[@TheOriginalCameron]

Good point

[@NetherCrafterSMC]

Get killed by crazy space gods and Y'shaarj just be like: "Time to open a fair"

[@Aimeen_]

“Borderline diddley,” not on my Sunday, Pyromancer Video bingo card. Lmao.

[@minuette1752]

Acco serves Chaos, that is all. He is a Word Bearer at heart.

[@agentsmith404]

Odin: "Ignorant mortals cannot comprehend the depths of our OCD!"

[@greenliion6390]

Damn man you have a good editor, haha.

[@hankinsan5871]

The time and light being related part, one of the first ways we were able to measure time was through the use of sun dials, with light showing us what time was during the day. Just a thought

[@archmagealodi]

I love seeing the only WoW people I watch doing content with each other, loved it.

[@Moseswasntamerican]

Time and light are certainly related. Things move at "light" speed and speed is a function of time.

[@tylermcnally8232]

See if we had seen the shadowlands mechanism, and knew what death was like, it was a totally acceptable outcome that our intervention (even if we failed) broke what the titans had setup and death went back to being "natural" Thus after we leave, we would be back to not knowing what was waiting for us after death.

[@WilBgames]

Okay I have a crazy thought. Stick with me here... According to Tauren customs: An'she and Elune were plucked out of the earthmother's eyes. An'she's *heart* was gravely wounded by *the shadows*. What if An'she's is Y'shaarj? And Elune is the secretive final old god that's been hinted to show up in The War Within? Xal'atath referred to her as an "upstart goddess" in Legion... Perhaps a confrontation is coming?

[@ailuro2291]

Pyro should make some videos making big lore rants or theories would be cool to listen to ngl

[@Dadbot]

He used too. Now he just live streams and posts the vods.

[@edwardsolomon1951]

Shadowlands was a take on Urusla LeGuin's Wizard of Earthsea, where the wizards's built a wall to trap souls and prevent them from truly dying (which was a terrible and miserable fate far worse than death). Meanwhile, true death was a blessing (The Gift of Men from Tolkien) because you were no longer trapped in a cycle, and instead being alive once and once only, made being alive precious and something to make the most of with the one life you have. The art of Necromancy only existed on Earthsea because of the trapped souls within the wall. Once was the wall destroyed, necromancy vanished, because it was no longer possible, there were no trapped souls to act upon. This is the prison that Sylvanas sought to break, the same way Kalessin and Ged sought to break the wall in Earthsea. Of course, she chose the wrong power to break it. Why would the Jailer destroy the realm that he was designed to control an be the most powerful within? I don't een think the unchained Jailer could even be killed in his own realm. HIs mistake was leaving the realm. Now let assume that Argus was the soul that broke the Arbiter (give me that one assumption). Then the Shadowlands are such an abomination, that they can even trap Titan souls. This was Zovaal's reason for trying to kill Azeroth, to imprison her soul in his realm, and harness it so he could finally project his power outside his own realm.

[@Darkmagi92]

“The Light has made a bargain with the enemy of all” The more that comes forward it is presented through a different perspective, the more I think this whisper refers to Order. Through order, every other force is bound. The Light is using Order to Dominate their own and those they conquer. Gives a whole new perspective to the X’era cinematic

[@darklurkerirl6101]

For now I am more inriuged by the "Eternal Serpent". I think Void has more secets than we though about...

[@Yvario]

Death is “low on the totem” pole because Death is truly the Enemy of all. Why do you think beings of Light are immortal? They’ve struck a bargain with the enemy of all. 😂

[@crazymat69]

I think ysharaaj might be elune when pyro had up the picture of the winter queen her open flower head and antlers kind of resembled an uncorrupted form of ysharaaj there's alot of resemblence

[@jasonalberti1976]

Pyromancer, you and Accolonn are by far my favorite WoW content creators. You both have such brilliant minds and imaginations.

[@mookieblaelocker6504]

the old gods were the original world trees, after the ysharj/elunahir incident eonar made a pact with order to protect life. purged her emotions/split her soul in the forms of elune and winter queen?

[@Terrados1337]

We know Azeroth is extremely powerful even in her current state (which is asleep and imprisoned). There are several mechanisms in place to keep her in that state. These mechanisms need power. How very, very convenient that completely abandoning the concept of indirect interference and ripping out an old god (still crack up that the titans could not prevent that name from sticking) caused a giant power outlet in the world(soul). Oh and completely unrelated but I recently did some Un'goro questing and one of the watchers is like: "If Khaz'goroth wants to know what happens when one of his creations is drowned in boiling salt water, we do that here" The titans are actual psychopathic children.

[@AgentVamp]

What if Life collabed with Void to create G'huun, with its connection to Blood, being the LIFEblood of mortals but the deal was altered somewhere along the way?

[@alconeuskhan4747]

I think the way they are going with the story is that the world souls do not naturally become titans. I think its going to be quite simple, they are neutral souls that over time, after the forces interract with them, they become empowered by one of the powers, and eventually emerge from the planets as part of that power. I think the world soul in kuresh became empowered by void and became demensius, in the same way that other world souls became titans after being empowered by order. whether azeroth is different to this or not i dont know, but i think it will probably end up that way. There may have been worlds that became part of each of the forces, maybe elune from elunaria and became a 'life lord' or something similar. Perhaps one of the reasons there are beings like Eonar who is clearly mostly order but still part of life, is because she was being influenced by both. It seems clear that azeroth has been deeply influenced by light and order, which explains the nature of azerite and the imagery of her in the latest cinematics.

[@JoeAdams]

Light most definitely struck a bargain with death....Calia Menethil is the prime example.

[@donshea7828]

I feel like the Shadowlands and its mechanics do have a lot of potential story wrinkles unless the answer is "just don't think about it." Do we need information from someone but they were killed before we can get it? Just go ask our soul-bestie where he sent them and go have a chat. If we kill a villain, do they just go become a problem someplace else? Wouldn't Lei Shen show up in Panda Hell and start building himself a new empire? Etc, etc.

[@TheJacob232]

Not even the Dreadlords have such fluid access to all forces as us mortals......they have to work alot harder to integrate from the sounds of lore

[@mookieblaelocker6504]

it seems clear to me the relationship between order and disorder is akin tot he relations between light/void and life/death, a never ending cycle. wouldnt the light seek to stave off void, life death and order disorder?

[@PazOfficial]

Uhh… yeah? Everyone knows this

[@zantesh]

Love the videos, but the volume difference between you and Acc is too much in this one, got my finger on the volume button the whole time so that you don't blow a hole in my ear drum lol. Other than that great vid :D.

[@deathwrow9652]

Why is the glowing energy in Y'shaarj's head depicted not as energy, but a star in the darkmoon faire's icon? The green energy seems to be the entirety of the banner, but within its head is not that energy, but a point of star/light. If Nzoth looks like he had fire in his head, maybe Yshaarj has light, and possibly thats why he was the largest one.

[@howarddavis6894]

Have you seen the Joe Rogan podcast with Terrance Howard? He says a lot of things that just might fit in this narrative, strangely.

[@No-ob6ql]

So an interesting thought came up, what if the two forces the brokers speak of Is order and creation? the titans we know are each from a different force from creation that has been ordered by the first one of order?

[@minuette1752]

Shadowlands was just a fever dream.

[@No-ob6ql]

Pyro, when are you and acco going to do a video on the dreadlords report back to denathrious. possibly to identify the dreadlords in each cosmic power?

[@mookieblaelocker6504]

the shadowlands are only the ordered realms of death, hence why light and void can just hop in. it exists inside zerith ordis

[@Rinley]

I still think that the enemy of all is TIME

[@GreaterDeity]

Azeroth is the wildcard to continue The Cycle. There is only one being that has had it right since the beginning... "Balance be important." - Bwonsamdi

[@FyreFry]

You save Ashamane, Hireek and attempt to save Rezan but he's far too injured to recover, and gives his remaining essense to Vol'jin, who then becomes something akin to a Loa, allowing him to sleep in a rebirth seed.

[@thegamemattster]

I barely remember the Vol’jin parts but man I wish he and Cairne were alive for this shit to help Thrall

[@matthewolson2386]

Is Elune the last of the first ones? She has made a deal with most if not all the cosmic forces?

[@DKHZStudio]

Well not all demons were enslaved. It was only the doomguard/doomlord who say that before Sageras released them they were hunting for the Titans

[@kedardeshpande2330]

Finally a Titan vs a Old God....😂

[@H25Invicta]

What you bring up about the Shadowlands early on is very important. The demystification of death that was put forth in Shadowlands largely removes the significance of dying in the setting. Characters that die simply go to the Shadowlands now and we could technically just go visit them there. In the future, when we kill a bad guy, would it not be sensible for us to then directly go to the Shadowlands to imprison or eradicate their soul? How come there hasn't been a procession of people going to the Shadowlands to meet their loved ones? Mortals can obviously go there, so it stands to reason that they would go there to hang out with people they've lost. There has also been no hysteria over the revelation that the afterlives are known and that you will end up in the charge of one of the Covenants when you die. Would it affect me mentally to find out that I might be forced to become one of those Maldraxxi meatfreaks when I pass on? It sure would. Mysteriously, we did not meet many of the characters we know to be dead. Where are they? Why don't we go and find them? It is feasible for us now to find out all sorts of things from dead people. The Shadowlands is an endless well of information since the souls retain their memories. Ultimately, Shadowlands ignores these issues and many more while presenting a mediocre and largely nonsensical storyline. Conceptually, the existence of the Shadowlands in this form irreversably alters the Warcraft setting -- and I must say, it wasn't worth it for what we got. If I were in charge and I had to do the Shadowlands, I would have kept the "true" afterlife behind curtains. I would have presented the Shadowlands as the limbo between life and death, through which all souls must pass. You can keep practically everything; you can have all the fleshfreaks and whatnot running around. You can have the Maw. You can keep the First Ones if you like. They made the architecture that ensures that souls pass through limbo to the afterlife, which remains unknown. The Covenants are the servants of the First Ones and are not made up of the souls of the perished. You can keep the Jailer as is if you want to. The Jailer has broken the system which funnels souls to the afterlife, just like he did. Souls now crowd this limbo space and he is using them to amass an army to launch an invasion on Azeroth. But remove him from prior contact with our world. No, Kel'Thuzad did not serve him all along. No, he does not know everything and he has not been "putting pawns in play" for millennia. I would reintroduce as many known dead characters as possible in the journey to defeat the Jailer and restore the flow of souls to the beyond. We get to hang out with them for the last time in Shadowlands and then when the expansion is over they pass on to the afterlife as intended and we return to Azeroth. This would allow us to say meaningful goodbyes. The portal closes. In-universe the Shadowlands becomes inaccessible again. Death is fixed. We have no business there until we die. If things had played out this way instead, there would have been none of the aforementioned lore ramifications that we must now ignore. Death would be final and meaningful. We would have had meaningful and emotional interactions with beloved characters. The mystery of death would have remained intact. What I have presented are minor tweaks in presentation that can retain the same storyline. As things stand now, there's really no reason to care if a character dies. If e.g. Thrall were to die, he'd just go to that Pelagos guy and then to whichever covenant and then we could RSVP his invite to the next Ember Court we're hosting.

[@beerexpert1057]

I always knew Bwomsandi a pimp.

[@mookieblaelocker6504]

no diddy

[@TheJacob232]

hrmmmm Elune= Y'sharrj? Infected Eonar?

[@MrWalsh707]

I still stand by my initial theory that the shadowlands is not the realm of death, and is a manufactured by order to trap reality in this life/death cycle. and the eternal one and arbiter were installed there

[@MrWalsh707]

if like pyro said and the seat of the panteon/ zarisordis can be move what if the ordis of death was moved.

[@MrWalsh707]

and the attack on the shadowlands by light and void was because they were trying to stop Order in the shadowland and try to break the cycle

[@meowcenaries8204]

I’m coming here from catching up on a lot of your speculation and I’m agreeing more and more with you that the Shadowlands we saw is not how it should be. If it was an “ordered” shadowlands any complaints that the “mystery was ruined” I feel like it’s negated because we don’t even know what our Shadowlands is supposed to be like originally. Idk weirdo babble maybe, but they’ve tampered and did bad touchie with sooooo much

[@thegamemattster]

Eonar is not a titan of life she is a BINDER of life. Her roots are chains connecting life to the machine of ORDER. We mortals are easily distracted by the beauty of nature and what she “creates” but are plants not just orderly titan-esque creatures? They rarely deviate from their design unlike us mortals and our freedom of choice

[@brianreck5971]

I kinda feel like being called "Children of Azeroth" was meant as a pejorative

[@oeheaven]

Shadowlands not only messed up with poor lore but it really messed up with Arthas story, and turning the Helm of Domination into a uncommon item.

[@endofexistence2149]

Tali put me off two years ago and i never went back to that channel. It was the best channel ive ever unsubscribed too. He has a nasty personality and a nasty attitude that thinks hes always right and needs to always talk over everyone.