Q&A 35: Books, Black Powder, and Why the DP12 is So Annoying

[@flashbandicoot5444]

K/D doesn't matter, play the objective -Gun Jesus 2019

[@Paradox_Edge]

as with everything, there is balance in the two. Only playing the objective will only get you so far until your enemy has had the time to enforce defense and strategy. The best way to prevent the enemy from doing that is to NOT play the objective and instead focusing on just killing enemies. The best performance comes when you divide those two up into sections. play the objective, then oppress your enemy when you see or notice they're trying to form a strategy. Once your enemies have been oppressed, continue with the objective. Rinse and repeat until you have won.

[@zeta4687]

totally agree from an asian player

[@troypowers750]

You mean BFFs

[@shadowlord0162]

@Joe Exotic he maybe is a nerd but hes a good one

[@majormalfunction0071]

@@shadowlord0162 He's *our* nerd

[@zbm-2375]

I think the John Wick one was actually a KSG.

[@fluffywolfo3663]

Yup. I checked.

[@josephk5654]

Was going to say this, but you beat me to it.

[@agentofchaos9769]

A Kel-Tec KSG Gen 2 with EOTech 512 sight and Magpul AFG precisely.

[@fluffywolfo3663]

@@agentofchaos9769 You went and checked IMFDB too, didn't you?

[@andreasmuller4666]

This needs more likes.

[@aussiebloke609]

55:23 "I kind of have a goal of doing... _all_ of the guns." It's good to have goals - and that one in particular sounds like there should be some fun along the way.

[@COLONELDRIVER]

I have a DP-12 and I love it! 16 shells in about 4-5 seconds. Reliability of a pump shotgun but yes she is heavy.

[@Bmaenpaa2]

As do I. Love shooting it.

[@venomfang8560]

Brings a smile to my face everytime I take mine out of its case. It's not for lightweights.

[@bonergiver1914]

I love mine. 16 Rds, 4-5 seconds. Very minimal recoil. And back to the bedside

[@ryantanzola]

What’s the time stamp for the DP12?

[@SteelSaint749]

@@ryantanzola 1:07:47

[@duckman12569]

Re small arms inflicting so few casualties by %, your heavy hitters aren't of much value if you can't keep enemy infantry away from them. I imagine it's comfier holding an air-strip with an automatic compared to a bolt-action.

[@VT-mw2zb]

There are authorized strengths, and there are "actual" strengths in a squad. There are guys who are sick, on leave, etc ... On a good day, it's 80%. After heavy combat, 30-50% is more likely. A squad has about 4 heavy weapon systems that matters: grenade launcher, AT weapon, LMG, DMR. Half of a squad are riflemen. Guess what most of them are for? Yeah, to pick up those weapons when strength is at less than authorized.

[@duckman12569]

@@VT-mw2zb Extra men picking up the weapon when it's dropped is redundancy, which is at the heart of most military planning. Or you can be a bad-ass, with a GL in one hand, and the LMG in the other.

[@VT-mw2zb]

@@duckman12569 yes, the thing is that the most casualty-producing firearms are not rifles. LMGs do most of the suppression and things that go boom kill. Explosives, from the hand, grenade launcher, rifle grenades, RPG tubes, mortars, etc ... of the infantry do the killings or covince the other guy that his position is untenable. Rifles are almost hilariously ineffective that way.

[@loserface3962]

@@VT-mw2zb without rifles i bet our casualty rate would be higher due to people charging someone with no close range defense

[@VT-mw2zb]

@@loserface3962 the scenario I painted was more towards long(er) range defence; but even in the attack and in close environment like urban, while rifles (or other similarly short, handy weapons) are important, reliance on them to fight the enemy rifle-on-rifle lead to heavy casualties. Good video on this watch?v=PJ63GPi9hIQ Rifles, in general, are more defensive weapon; a discouragement method to ask the other guy to not get too close or stay in place while the big explosives are being dialled in. In urban structure clearing, the initial stage of Fallujah showed that attempts to clear structures with rifles on rifles lead to 50% casualty in one attack. That's impossible to sustain. Solution? Explosives, and more of them. Instead of entering a house through a door, use a tank cannon, a recoilless rifle round, or an explosive charge to blow a hole in the wall. If the structure collapse, well, you don't have to clear it. If a hole opens, chuck grenades through it. Frag your way to the objective. Rifle-on-rifle room clearing has its role; typically in situations where collateral damage is a concern (hostage, high value, must not kill targets, etc ...). On the defence, explosives are just as important. Mines, claymores, and overwatched barriers to deny access and slow down attackers while the mortars, artillery are being called in. Any defender worth his salt should prepare defensive fire plan to immediately drop a lot of explosives on the attackers.

[@michaelathens953]

These Q&A episodes never fail to provide well-presented information and thought provoking, intelligent discussions.

[@tennoskuum9632]

Ah yes 1 hour of ian talking about guns. This is my lofi hip hop.

[@spencerhanni6984]

Chilled Cow is legit one of my favorite channels though lol

[@skooter21108]

@@TugaAvenger you seen that suicide awareness video they did? Girl straight tries to murder herself. Tbh I'd do the same if I was forced to study 24/7 while listening to lo-fi. That's some kind of fresh hell and I love lo-fi when studying lol

[@w.callens1629]

someone should put Ian's voice on some chill music, learn something while relaxing

[@jameskunkel3491]

i just woke up and saw this paused 😂

[@billynomates920]

@@jameskunkel3491 same but seven months later! :-)

[@edm240b9]

I absolutely love the little surprised jump at 1:10:21. Just priceless IMO.

[@jlucas9342]

I had to rewind and watch it again, made me laugh even harder the second time :D

[@coolsenjoyer]

I was mostly just annoyed that Ian didn't take the opportunity to make "clearly the dog doesn't like SUSAT" joke

[@notinspectorgadget]

I think that's the first time I've ever seen Ian annoyed.

[@ridermak4111]

The mantle....the globe....the books....the jacket. I keep looking for a Meerschaum pipe. 🧐⚜️

[@JustanOlGuy]

It's in his slipper.

[@SgtKOnyx]

We'll hope Ian is perpetually "on the case", since Holmes's other vices were quite destructive.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Yeah, I like the style, but I'm not into heroin. :)

[@Loweko1170]

@@JustanOlGuy And fires .32ACP from a concealed barrel.

[@ulriklange3924]

Maybe with a bit of reefer in it ... Not to fuck up Ian. But come on!! .. what a laugh 😂

[@theJellyjoker]

1:10:21 Here's the mail it never fails it makes me wanna wag my tail, when it comes I wanna wail! Maaaaaaail!"

[@iaaiasromo1541]

He jumped

[@moosemaimer]

I listened to the .mp3, and had to watch it just to see his face

[@shadowstorm657]

Nice.

[@gerald8573]

@@iaaiasromo1541 I'd also jump.

[@anthonyflanders1347]

I don’t think anyone got the reference but as someone who was a kid in the 2000s nice reference.

[@slowpokebr549]

6:15 I carried an SKS as a truck gun in Missouri in the 90's. I kept it loaded in the passenger seat, muzzle down in the floor board. Back then you could not have a loaded rifle in a vehicle. A Sks mag could be dumped by simply reaching down and pulling the mag release. It's a great 75 yard and under rifle and it's reliable as a hammer. I still have a soft spot.

[@epl803]

When a French Officer Cadet has a Negligent Discharge right next to your foot with his FAMAS, you'd better believe that having a burst setting rather than just full auto is preferable; if his "group size" had been any bigger I would have been able to count the amount of toes I had left using only one foot...

[@SgtKOnyx]

Definitely makes sense if you're expecting your troops to be less trained

[@gunner678]

It happens unfortunately in every army (not always without injury or fatality), all too often with experienced officers as well as officer cadets. I know from personal experience (not my error I must add) and it would be rude to mention the countries of origin involved, but it comes down to sheer ignorance or complacency, both equally deadly, both universal!

[@MarvinCZ]

@Natty Fatty Powerlifting As mentioned above, that is universal to any large armed organization, and even more so in a conscript army. Ian's great term from the last Q&A was “Statistically guaranteed idiot.”

[@bobghengis]

@@MarvinCZ Never saw this in four years in USMC Infantry

[@Ompasikom]

You can have perfect gun handling for 10-20-30 years... it only takes one moment you're not paying attention just enough...

[@Theonixco]

"Didn't boost C&Rsenal" That makes me really really sad. Such a great channel and all that effort and still only a slight bump in recognition..

[@JoeWalker98]

Probably mostly due to KZbins rando anti gun waves that quash anything about irl guns, history or not. Probably killed its reach, didnt have it as a notif for people.

[@JakimAkim]

@@JoeWalker98 more likely it is not a casual enough channel to grab viewers.

[@alanfhall6450]

Worked for me. I wasn't aware of C&Rsenal before Project Lightening (been a longtime follower of Forgotten Weapons) so that's one extra buck per month it got them. REALLY hope I'm not the only one one because Othias & Mae do a fantastic job. I do realise that that kind of depth is a definite time commitment, though.

[@fuzzlemacfuzz]

I came the other way, found here through C&Rsenal, which I found from The Great War

[@danielcadwell9812]

@@JakimAkim Exactly I saw their cross over videos but still didn't have much interest in watching them.

[@dbmail545]

"Red Russian shellac covered glasses"🤣

[@proteus2103]

@@bmstylee Do they not have roses in Russia?

[@johnhans2929]

Yes, that was pure gold.

[@worldfamousgi86]

We do not laugh at glorious leader comrade.

[@slowpokebr549]

way better than cosmoline covered contacts comrade.

[@zumkzwxwq]

Think about it, even dogs would immediately bark in frustration by the mere mention of an L85....... I think thats pretty obvious how that went for all of us.

[@ryanreese5885]

Thanks for the great work man, keep it up. You’re doing great things for the gun community.

[@onsesejoo2605]

5:45 Finnish captain Kari Pelo designed a sub machine gun in the late 1940's that had a fixed magazine or semi fixed perhaps. For the loading the magazine opened on a hinge. It was intended to be loaded with pre-set paper package of cartridges. Only a few prototypes were made 1949 - 1951. The Pelo sub machine gun was lightweight, 2,9 kg roughly 7 lbs and meant to be carried in a holster with magazine and stock folded. There are few pictures available on it. Edit. the right side of the magazine opened for loading.

[@Zorglub1966]

a very interesting design, but at first glance, it looks a bit fragile.

[@ostiariusalpha]

So, it follows the Breda Modello 30 school of reloading. And you know everybody is a huge fan of that machine gun.

[@onsesejoo2605]

@@Zorglub1966 I haven't found more information on Pelo but at that time, the army had already adopted the Finnish copy of PPSH 43 on 9mm parabellum as "Kp m/44" nick named "Pelti Heikki" - "Tin Henry". It was used until 70's e.g in the UN operation on Cyprus. Also the Frontier Guard used it.

[@JanoTuotanto]

1954 Finnish military bought huge amount of surplus Stens for price of scrap iron . These filled the need for any compact submachinegun.

[@onsesejoo2605]

@@JanoTuotanto And obviously, Suomi - was available and in reserve up until buying Chinese AKs in the 90's.

[@stephenwoods4118]

Dog: Dangerous packages, must protect Papa and Mama!!! Just had that here too.

[@kyleno4mk27]

My answer for the "what would you do at FN or DWM in 1900:" Come up with some kind of intermediate caliber proto-assault rifle/carbine. The trick would be to sell it as being for the cavalry! A small, handy, cute, very Victorian little gun; that has lots of target and sporting feature from the era. I'd probably try and go with a tappet style gas system, and a triangular bolt like the Leader T2. 5 round detachable mags, that load from a stripper. That would appeal to the military of the era, but leave the gun up-gradable for trench warfare.

[@MARCBOIREAU]

my anser: nuclear bomb

[@TJ4774]

That's impressive that you do all of it yourself. I bet between research, filming, and editing you stay extremely busy. I'm surprised to hear this because you'd think with that kind of work load the quality would be bound to suffer somewhere but nope, not even the slightest. Keep up the good work Gun Jesus 👍

[@scubasteve4355]

I believe the actress in Terminator actually had the DP-12's stock above her shoulder when she was "shooting" it.

[@skepticalbadger]

Yes, this is apparently the weapons handling that will help save humanity... www.imfdb.org/images/4/4a/TDF_142.jpg

[@scubasteve4355]

@@skepticalbadger haha, to be fair, she is fairly short and clearly the gun's too big for her.

[@williamcramer7623]

I hope you continue with your podcasts. You have a way of making technical information entertaining and enjoyable. Thanks.

[@deathlis]

The camouflage velour robe...for the sophisticated outdoorsman!

[@craigfurey942]

I thought you were going to talk about books on the Krag without realizing there were two sitting right beside you and I almost peeled my face off

[@epl803]

Just because you have foresight into what's coming next in arms development/tactics does not mean those around and, more importantly, above you, do. The joys of being in, or working with, militaries; often the oldest and most outdated pieces of equipment in their inventories are their senior officers.

[@wingracer1614]

I think the trick would be to convince someone with a ton of money to set up a shop and start pumping out LMGs night and day but keep it secret. Then when war were declared: "Hey guys, we happen to have a million of the best LMGs on the planet stockpiled over here. Got a few tons of gold you could spare for them?"

[@trooperdgb9722]

In their defence you have to acknowledge that EVERY inventor claims TO those old/senior officers his new gun is "perfect" for any/all roles... even when its a piece of junk no one can get to work. New ideas often ALSO require massive adjustments in the logistic tail of an Army.... a factor that those most keen on new inventions often seem to forget about. "Amateurs study tactics (and weapons development) , professionals study logistics"

[@bumholekid1383]

Honestly love this channel more than you know, mad respect for you Ian appreciate the grind!

[@CFABN267]

Sat down to cherry pick through the timestamps. End up watching whole thing. Thanks for your work, Ian.

[@jamesr792]

Coupled magazines are super useful for using a rifle WITHOUT gear. A police officer’s patrol rifle, for example. He may not have time to get his chest rig or whatever out, so an extra mag right there on the gun makes sense. On base use in the military makes sense too. You may not need your gear, but carrying your rifle around with a mag and one extra might make sense. Civilian home defense also may well present a compelling case for coupled magazines, but honestly that’s a stretch. Tl/dr i guess it would be nice to have the ability to couple magazines, but it by no logical means should be a requirement.

[@andyd2960]

I'd love to see Ian get a small role in an action movie.

[@KTo288]

I'm binge watching the time travel TV series Timeless, in which in one episode one time traveller takes a period appropriate firearm. I can imagine Ian doing a cameo as himself as a consultant/armourer Q type character for a time travelling organisation providing era and geographically appropriate firearms for the team.

[@zacharyclarke4240]

small role? he should star in one!

[@jonathanshaltz7750]

John Wick 4, maybe? He should be an arms dealer. "So, I hear you need to infiltrate the 1930s French Foreign Legion?"

[@andyd2960]

@@jonathanshaltz7750 or maybe a bad guy. A Hitman with a thing for the old West.

[@blacklabel131]

@@jonathanshaltz7750 Yeahh an arms dealer or a gun store owner works really well for him i think hahah, i can imagine john wick walking into an antique-esque gun store with all these really old and historic weapons up on all the walls and then after john talks with ian he pushes a buttons and then all the shelves switch into modern, prototype and mil spec weapons xD

[@jonathansanino6072]

I cant believe how much you get done by yourself. As always, very impressed by you sir

[@dyveira]

Anyone who asks if equipping people with superior weapons over muskets makes a difference has never been in the army or at the very least never read anything about battle doctrine. Suppressive fire is a key part of taking objectives, by decreasing enemy ease of movement and enemy fire to allow your own forces to overtake them. As for the machine gun burst, in the army we were taught to say "sonofabitch" under our breath and hold the trigger for exactly the amount of time it took to say it (usually a second or two). It works. 🤷‍♀️

[@zachpalmero1356]

Do you want me to thank you for your service? I feel like that's what you want

[@NeedleDrops]

For us on the 240 it was "die little people die get some" and release on the get some.

[@noclass2gun342]

@@NormandyFoxtrot you are incorrect sir. Yes artillery is important in taking a point, but its infantry with small arms that actually holds a location. Does no good to take a location, only to have it taken back as soon as you stop shelling it

[@terry7907]

But where he is wrong, both historically and currently, is in stating that the objective of war is to take terrain, not inflict casualties. We can take all the terrain we want to in Afghanistan, and we have not won. The objective is always to impose your will on the enemy to convince them continuing the war is futile, by territorial occupation, casualty infliction, economic effects, or something else. Ian’s favourite war, WWI, is a prime example. When the war ended the Germans still occupied a significant amount of Allied territory, while the Allies had not put one soldier on German soil. Yet it was the Germans that surrendered.

[@noclass2gun342]

@@terry7907 Afghanistan is a whole new war... were not fighting a traditional army on a traditional battlefield anymore

[@forestcampbell8962]

I always enjoy the Q&A videos.👍

[@kevbrand8824]

It's 3 AM and poppa Ian's putting mijo back to sleep. God this dude's a treasure.

[@1804unclesam]

Best non-colt C&R 1911 is one made by Singer sewing machine company. Of course, if you even find one it’s going to cost a massive amount of money. Something like 500 were ever built before the war department had them making the norton bomb sight.

[@davidaxman]

I have just one thing that I would like to add to these fantastic Q&A videos: pictures! When I'm at a computer I have separate window up, searching for pictures of everything you're talking about. But when you're on your phone it's not as easy. For instance, when talking about the EM-2, maybe add a picture of the EM-2. Other than that, these videos are top notch!

[@stamfordly6463]

Re: The 1900 question I think you could convince the British of the value of a light machine gun if you could provide an example of a robust man-portable design along the lines of the Bren. Anything bigger, heavier or more embuggering, even Lewis sized, might have been more difficult to sell at the time. This is because I don't think that at the time the British problem with machine-guns was not that they could see the value of them but that things like the Vickers didn't fit in with how they thought they were going to fight. Lacking a large conscript army the British thought that their soldiers would have to be as mobile as possible and as good shots as possible. After-all the whole idea of the SMLE's volley-sights was to achieve the effect of an MG with something as manoeuvrable and flexible as a section or platoon. If in, say, 1910 you'd shown them a gun that was nearly as accurate as a rifle in single-shot mode, that was simple and robust, that one man could carry and use and yet could still keep up with a rifle company I think that Horseguards would have bitten your arm off.

[@ristoalanko9281]

I can listen almost two study hours of Forgotten Weapons, I never could keep awake when my history teacher was speaking. Ian has a wonderful style, explaining details of guns and history.

[@coreys2686]

re: 3D printing and C&R firearms. I can also see 3D printing (and heat-treating, etc) parts that can break and using them while keeping the original part undamaged. That way you can fire it to your heart's content while preserving its condition and original value.

[@dbmail545]

My understanding is that is exactly what Geissele did with the Lightning Trigger Bow on the Tavor. The 3-D printed part only lasted 5 or 6 shots but it proved the concept well enough that it was put into production.

[@ZombieWilfred]

@@dbmail545 That's prototyping, which, yes, 3D printing is great for, but I think this person is saying that you could make disposable reproduction parts, which is not the same thing.

[@guitarguru167]

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[@guitarguru167]

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[@GoldphishAnimation]

I'd like to praise you for putting timestamps on these videos, and love how knowledgeable you are on guns. Keep up the great work, and God it makes me wish more of KZbin was lit this challenge

[@lenheinz6646]

Great Q&A, as always! On the issue of what gun to design at the turn of the 20th century, I agree that it's a tough call but my choice would be a semi-automatic military rifle. I also agree that SMGs are not the first choice, as armies in 1900 could not conceive of a tactical use for them. I'm concerned that those armies also would not see the utility of LMGS. I think they were in a transitional period of still seeing MGs as very light artillery rather than somewhat less mobile infantry, so the utility of an LMG would be lost on them. (Witness the Madsen, as you said.) I might be able to sell LMGs to calvary, but even then I expect it would be tough sledding. But a semi-automatic rifle would be understood as augmenting the firepower of individual riflemen, and that would be attractive to 1900-era armies. As you know, these sorts of arms were already in development just after the turn of the century. No one quite got to the finish line before the Great War began, but someone could have with an earlier start and a bit more focus. I'd have to sell people on the firepower versus ammo wastage issue, but armies were already heading in that direction. One point about the effectiveness of small arms on the modern battlefield--it also plays an important role in defense. Volume of fire can do a wonderful job of convincing the bad guys not to come closer, allowing you then to drop some bad news (read anything from rifle grenades to JDAMS) on their heads. This is the converse of your point about small arms firepower shooting in an assault, and I'd argue that it had even more of an effect on the modern battlefield. Either way, small arms fire can fix an enemy so that heavier weapons can finish him off.

[@Yamatool]

Love my mosin. With the bayonet on she shoots 2moa at 100 yards standing. I was blown away it could shoot that good also a little surprised I shoot that good. It also really helps polishing the trigger bits making it such a joy to shoot. Mine also appears before me it had absolutely no wear and has potentially never been in service.

[@paulmanson253]

Ian. You mentioned drinking a smoky tea. The strongest smoky tea I am familiar with is Lapsang Souchong. I have no idea what US availability is like,but it is a tea you either like a lot or you don't. No doubt others seeing this post will make knowledgeable additions,but this is what I have personal experience with. Cheers.

[@itatane]

It is available, I have even seen it at Wal-Mart before. It is marketed as an "American" style tea since it has a smoky, almost bacon taste and aroma. Count me as one of those who absolutely abhors the vile stuff. I would rather put Darjeeling in the microwave for ten minutes, then add sweetened condensed milk and microwave it for another ten, and subsequently let it go cold before drinking than taste Lapsang Souchong again....

[@paulmanson253]

@@itatane You sir have made your position unmistakably clear. Rather than get in any way upset,after all,personal taste is exactly that,may I suggest you find someone knowledgeable in Vietnamese coffee drinks. That is if you like coffee. There are some wonderful mixes that (I think the spelling is Pho) restaurants and others have that is nectar of the Gods. I hope you find things you enjoy. Lapsang Souchong being one you abhor. So be it. Cheers.

[@itatane]

@@paulmanson253 I do hope that my comment gave you a bit of a chuckle, as it was meant to be tongue in cheek hyperbole. (I have a British friend who groans in agony whenever I describe microwaving tea.) I enjoy most different caffeinated beverages, but lapsang souchong is just not cuppa tea, if you will pardon the pun. My thanks for the recommendation of Vietnamese coffee, I shall have to look it up. On that note, have you ever tried Masala Chai or Indonesian Minsus? Minsus can be hard to get, but you can find it in Indonesian military rations. It is like a spiced coffee/hot cocoa mix. Cheers!

[@1804unclesam]

Q&A = instant like. Best thing about the drive to work.

[@CanalTremocos]

About the 1900's weapon visionary scenario:: the best way in my mind would be to send an advisor a few weapons to a small nation on a small conflict. There were still many "undeveloped" nations fighting small colonial armies where just a couple LMG's could change the tide of the war and make ink flow back in Europe. The trick is not getting too much of a great power mad at you... A few examples would be African revolts against Portugal, Indonesian revolts against the Netherlands or South American conflicts where arming locals against world powers would be seen as less of a faux-pas.

[@ostiariusalpha]

The pre-Belgian Congo would have been the perfect candidate for this kind intervention. I'd put pre-Rhodesian Zimbabwe as a good runner up. Both were privately backed colonial projects that wouldn't require killing any European nation's actual uniformed soldiers, and therefore requiring their governments to carry out punitive military expeditions for the sake of national pride.

[@ldkbudda4176]

Yea.. Imagine British Khakis with Lee Metfords/Enfields charging against Boers with LMG's...> (after some short time) > Boers with LMG's charging against last British ships evacuating South Africa for good! A la Dunkirk in 1900! Vivat Transval!!! :)

[@ostiariusalpha]

@@ldkbudda4176 That would be logistically impossible, even if someone was willing to foot the bill. There's simply no way to supply the Boers with enough ammo to make sustainably effective use of MGs against the UK army to save the Boer Republics, much less drive them out of South Africa. The only outcome that would have produced would be more dead British soldiers, and subsequently more British MGs brought in to counteract them. You still would have the internment camps, and eventual Boer surrender; the British Empire's resources were simply too large to make enough of a difference. You would definitely spur on early development for LMGs though.

[@voiceofraisin3778]

@@ldkbudda4176 Mr Vickers and Mr Armstrong would have an opinion on that!

[@troopertrooper8925]

The Brits HAD Maxims in several pre WW1 colonial conflicts...and THAT did NOT convince them of the battlefield superiority that became so obvious in WW1. They were not "proper" wars and so no lessons could be learned!!!!

[@honeybadger2332]

Love the bar globe! Have one just like it! Love your channel! I learn something new every time!

[@diestormlie]

On the "up to date small arms" question: You beat an enemy when they stop fighting you. That can mean 'they're dead, but honestly, them being far enough away from you that they can't stop you? Good enough.

[@joemarsh4724]

My .22lr story: I believe it was 1976 or 77. I was working at Olin corporation's St. Marks powder plant. We had just redesigned the mixing (blending) barrel to put the pack out in a separate building. The first night shift was interesting. This was a three sided shed in Florida, in the summer, with street lights inside the building. You might say bugs were a problem. We (3 man crew) tried to shutdown the process but the Forman said keep running. We even put bugs in the QC samples. Bugs in the powder bugs crawling all over us. Miserable night. So the powder got shipped to Winchester's St. Louis factory full of busted up bugs and made into .22lr. About a month latter, surprise, Winchester recalled about a million rounds.

[@Bruciando]

@ 1:07:40 -- No, Q is selling Bond on the PPK in .32 after he [Bond] came back from rehab after having the snot beat out of him by a Soviet agent who didn't like it when Bond tried shooting him [said Soviet agent] with Bond's (previously) favorite little mouse gun when he [Major Boothroyd, aka Q] makes that statement...

[@tombogan03884]

Project Lightning seemed to be a fun break for you guys . Got you all out of your ruts and reminded you why you do this . 😁

[@carlcarlton764]

Re: "You are transported back in time" Easy. You start by err 'inventing' the kind of guns you know militaries will buy. That gives you a reputation as a great gun designer and once you got that and a ton of money from your 'inventions', you can work on the kind of guns militaries will buy once 'war were declared'. Like a direct blowback select fire pistol caliber carbine that is rather easy to manufacture. Not too easy. Cheap looks look bad pre DoW and radically and quickly simplifying your design would only increase your reputation.

[@brucebaxter6923]

my list is ak, owen, aa12, minigun

[@ootdega]

Ian has too much integrity for that.

[@stevenbobbybills]

Gotta make the STEN before WWII, easy and simple to produce and made in good numbers for the Commonwealth and resistance movements in mainland Europe.

[@matchesburn]

Part of the problem is that the people that invented those firearms had the clout to get it looked at and issued. History, as Ian's channel has shown, is littered with examples of great designs being passed over because whoever was designing and making them didn't rub shoulders with the right person while many times the inferior design or concept won out through sheer "who you know" metrics. So even if you time travel and convince the people there that you're a genius, if you don't convince the right people they won't give you the time of day. And a design too advanced will just make them leery.

[@Asghaad]

id say before WW2 you would do well if you put forward long range precision bolt rifle - its a tech military back then would understand but capabilities of magnified optic on super accurate platform would get your "foot in the door" then you could work your way up to select fire rifles pretty quickly

[@cristocooney5254]

Never bother liking vids, but as soon as i got to 10:36 i smashed that like button and sub button because this content is superb and doing all this work by yourself ain't easy i bet. Keep up the amazing work brother

[@blastshadowproject]

I have had the thought experiment before, relating to the question of How to convince militaries to adopt an "ahead of the curve" firearm. Here's one idea. Say you have designed a simple, reliable stocked machine pistol during the First World War. How to get it into the hands of the boys storming the trenches? Two words. State fairs. Sell your guns, not to the military, but the families and home towns of the boys fighting "over there." With the expectation being that they would send them to their loved ones on the front as a little extra to help them, along with letters and photographs and snacks. Care packages were one of the regular sources of irregular small arms in that conflict. Sell enough of them on the home front, and if the design does well in the hands of the troops, a military contract might follow

[@chemistrykrang8065]

This sort of thing would be too expensive for the "here's a pistol from your uncle Tom" care package market. Even if the military were happy for grunts to use non-issue weapons (they weren't - officers could private purchase some things but even then there were rules) then we'd be talking the equivalent of thousands of dollars at the time - just look at how expensive Thompsons were.

[@backontopmotowerks]

Thanks Ian!! I always figured the early maxim was about as close as anyone got. I appreciate the time and, the solid answer.

[@brucebaxter6923]

minigun as its not charge operated

[@EeroafHeurlin]

Metal 3D printing (at least with the common selective laser sintering on powder bed -approach) is definitely not going to produce equivalent strength to milled-from-billet part regardless of heat treating. The surface finish is also rough so the way to make something like bolt would be to make oversize one and mill/grind it to correct dimensions and surface finish. DMG-Mori published (already 5yrs ago, gods!) a super cool combined method system kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKPCgaGbmt6CaZY but the price tag and operating costs mean that you better be raking in lot's of that sweet aerospace biznez money.

[@SamnissArandeen]

Quick note on your viewer asking about movie guns and mentioning 007. That line about "Brick through a plate glass window" was written in reference to the Beretta 25, only for one of Ian Fleming's first readers to write him a letter basically explaining why the PPK was an infinitely superior handgun for someone like Bond. The movie adaptations kept the line just with the new weapon. This is actually referenced in Licence to Kill!

[@lucajohnen6719]

Another point on the stripper clip Vs detachable magazine thingy: If you stay at around 10 shot capacity, strippers are way more efficient. Imagine a Smelly (even if the mag was detachable like a modern rifle) and think about how much ammo you could carry in stripper clips on your gear for the same space and weight a clunky mag has. Only with higher capacity or smaller bullets (intermediate for example) a magazin really becomes the only viable option. That's why most modern firearms using full sized rifle rounds and having a detachable mag are usually either civilian weapons or marksman's rifles

[@Dragon100098]

Luca Johnen I wouldn’t necessarily agree with that. Any sort of battle rifle such as an M14, FAL, AR10 or Scar-H are chambered for a full-sized rifle cartridge and feature detachable magazines. Obviously, the FAL and M14 have proved the efficiency of using detachable magazine over stripper clips, else rifles like the SKS would still exist.

[@tomprice6918]

Dragon100098 remember though theyare 10+ c capacity

[@edwalmsley1401]

Relying on stripper clips is like relying on one mag,if anything goes wrong with the feed spring,follower of feed lips,or just get gunk in it your pretty screwed,in a removable mag gun you change your mag and all those critical parts are a new and clean

[@lucajohnen6719]

@@Dragon100098 Yeah, like Tom Price said, I wanted to add that any mag fed rifle UNDER OR 10 rounds

[@lucajohnen6719]

@@edwalmsley1401 We are talking 1950s Soviet Union, mass mobilisation, Conscripts and limited training. And its easier to damage said parts on a magazin, and you also carry these things over and over and over again.

[@hughquigley5337]

Ian's dog scared the SHIT outta me and I couldn't help but laugh until my sides hurt at 3 in the morning. I'm so glad he left that in the video

[@dinonatorful]

Ive seen this guy hanging out on a couple planks somewhere before

[@SawedOffLaser]

Why did I think this was a pirate joke.

[@eldritchshiner]

One of the most interesting and informative channels on the internet.

[@TheMCD1989]

Any chance you'll ever be able to get your hands on a SAF submachinegun? I know they aren't anything interesting mechanically, I've just always thought they were a cool and unique use of the SIG 550 series rifles.

[@phann860]

A very good Q&A, explanations clear and informative.

[@Slick263]

I love how you jumped when Dharma started barking. Happens to me with my dog all the time.

[@andrewwaterman9240]

Well, that was a pretty darn interesting session. Thanks a bunch!

[@arieheath7773]

I believe it was a KSG in John Wick. And the plate glass window was referring to the PPK, after Bond was forced to upgrade from his little Beretta .25

[@hildebrand142]

these sessions are SO enjoyable. thanks ian!

[@MikeNepo]

2030: "Hey Ian, how many guns have you covered?" "All the guns" O.o

[@austin_bennett]

I love this hypothetical: 38:05. Best case scenario, in my opinion, would be light machine gun development or possibly automatic rifle development. I'd offer something similar to a colt monitor, possibly with different packages or options for different roles. However if we play around with the "what if" possibilities you could potentially kickstart development of trench sweepers or jungle carbine with something similar to a full auto Winchester m 1907 SL. For something similar to a full auto Winchester 1907 SL I'd convince generals to use it for trench raid divisions similar to German storm trooper units

[@brucebaxter6923]

ak, owen, aa12, minigun

[@austin_bennett]

@@brucebaxter6923 great options honestly although I'm surprised the Americans didn't use Gatling guns during WW1 or at least continue development because it would have made a good heavy machine gun potentially.

[@lewhanwen4302]

None of the John Wick movies as of now actually have the DP12. The scene you're likely remembering is the scene where Wick declares he's back and chases after Viggo. Keanu actually uses a Kel-tec KSG there, though the two guns are substanially similar in appearance and feeding.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Oops!

[@painmagnet1]

@@ForgottenWeapons The KSG is dumb, too.

[@lewhanwen4302]

@@painmagnet1 At least it's not the DP12. The DP12's a awkward heavy piece of crap that has no real reason to exist other than "we can make a double barrel kinda semi auto pump action" The KSG has the sense to use only one barrel and has a legit reason for the dual mag tubes.

[@FelixDKatz-tb7or]

@@lewhanwen4302 It is kind of heavy for the ladies no doubt, but 10lbs is not that heavy. I fill mine with half shell slugs. 24 of them. And it works flawlessly. It is not "two guns stuck together with some plastic." If it were, it would probably weigh less then 10lbs. it is a solid aluminum block with a small amount of poly. "piece of crap"? seriously? what is your standard for a good shotgun under $5k I think this would meet it. It may not be your cup of "tea." But it is certainly not crap. It is very well made by Connecticut Shotgun Co. makers of high quality Shotys so pricey you dont even ask how much. And they are always worth it. it is a fun and impressive gun. That has reliable design, made of top quality materials. And it functions really smoothly. My favorite part is that you won't shoot your hand off. yes, it is a gimmick. But a very neat one. that honestly would make any intruder soil him/herself pretty easily. And it can keep it's munitions within most walls. and yeah you could really clobber them with it when you go empty. But at 24 shells if you go empty. You have to many advisories for just one gun.

[@FelixDKatz-tb7or]

@@painmagnet1 KSG totally lame. pump shoot......switch tubes......ow! my thumb!!! Vs. boom-boom click click boom-boom. goes faster that way. And you can keep your entire hand after.

[@joshpalmer414]

Lovely box of Havana club maestro's select on the shelf behind you Ian and great content as always

[@heinzxzxzxzxzx]

German infantry man here: the G36 mags have very little doctrinal use of a dual mag. We're supposed to clip two together when defending a dugout or trench. However bc every magazine has those damn nipples its a pain to do speedy reloads or put away used mags thus its common practice to aquire mags that you don't have to give back and cut the nipples off or get G36 magpul PMAGs when you get deployed. Every guy i know (including me) has one modified mag that he keeps for a speed reload. So while the mags should have an advantage most of the time they are just super annoying.

[@SgtKOnyx]

Yeah, that's my experience from back when I had an air soft M8. Mag changes were awful, those pegs would get caught up in the pouches. Nowadays, my "extra firepower" on my AR15 is a couple of 40 round mags.

[@rhvette]

There seems to be a decent logical reasoning for the clips. Namely that there’s a benefit to having that first reload/extra firepower in the gun at all times. Even going back to the SMLE using a ten round mag and reloaded with five round stripper clips, there seems to be a thought that “the soldier may get separated from the rest of his gear, but a soldier without a rifle isn’t a soldier, ergo if we keep extra ammo with the gun, he can get back the rest of his stuff.” And it’s not entirely without merit. The infamous “soldier fighting the Taliban in boxers” picture highlights the fact that you can’t have every trooper ready in full combat gear all the time, they have to eat and sleep eventually. So having a little extra firepower immediately at hand isn’t a bad idea. The problem, like you said, is in the details. Those nubbins get caught on everything and make it a pain to find mag pouches and carriers that fit. You have to design it properly so that the mags don’t interfere with accessing controls or the function of the gun. And no military likes the idea of intentionally stocking multiple “redundant” items that are distinct enough to keep separate. It’s one thing to have USGI aluminum M16 mags and PMAGs, since their use is doctrinally the same you can just toss them all into the same bin. It’s another to have to sort and store them separately. Which means the long and short of it is that you either tend to have to deal with the clips on mags that don’t benefit from them, or you don’t get clips.

[@commando552]

I've used G36Cs in the British police (and less so SG552s for that matter and the same applies), and literally the only time I ever coupled them together was when playing the "enemy" role in a training exercise when not wearing a load vest. They are dire for getting in and out of a pouch, fortunately for police use you are pretty much only ever using single magazine pouches so they are at least not getting hung up on each other. Fortunately, after they started getting MCXs my force got AR-15 mag-well adapters and started using the same Lancer mags for all weapons and they are like night and day in terms of speed and ease of use. I can imagine that when these weapons were adopted though it was probably seen as a good idea. For example, back in the 80s and early 90s seemingly the standard for British special forces was to tape mags together. However, these days you never see this. My guess is that back when taping/clipping mags together was "in vogue" web gear was less developed than it is today, so the bulk on the rifle trade off was worth it for that initial reload speed. Now vests, pouches and webbing are for better for speedy reloads so I think the equation has flipped to the other side where it is not worth doing. The only instance where I can see it still having a place is if you are in a situation where you are carrying your rifle for self defence but not your full web kit, where doubling your round count and having the ability to switch away from a potentially bad mag could be helpful.

[@heinzxzxzxzxzx]

@@commando552 clipping mags together isnt even that bad imo, when you have situations where you have a high volume of fire at a close range, so trench combat, cqc or fighting of eastern hords ( I know that idea is kinda cold war but still a thing somehow) i see it being really useful for speedy reloads so i occasionally used it and there are ofc tricks to make the shitty standard issue mag pouches work.

[@commando552]

@@heinzxzxzxzxzx In my experience I never really saw the point. Granted my military use was with bullpups where doing this brings other problems, and with conventional rifles it is only police use which has other priorities so I may be biased. The problem I always had was not so much with the first reload, but with everything after that. Coupled/taped mags are a real pain in the arse to deal with, they won't go into a regular web pouch that you are taking a replacement single mag out of, if you have a mag pouch big enough they are a far more awkward shape to get in than a single mag, and if you put it in a dump pouch or drop it down your jacket it is more of a brick that gets in the way more. The only way I could really see it working is if you ONLY used coupled mags so they were all treated the same, but at that point you are only getting 2 mags into what should be a 3 mag pouch which means you are adding a lot of bulk to your kit. On the topic of pouches, what are the standard German G36 pouches? I have seen single along with doubles with no divider so I assumed that if the doubles were used they were meant for coupled mags. All that being said, I can imagine them being useful if you are only in a static position and don't need to necessarily worry too much about managing them in and out of webbing or the bulk and weight they add to the rifle, but for such a specific use it seems like a total waste to make every magazine 50% wider than it otherwise needs to be.

[@Starfighter-nk4mo]

Another good case of a burst fire being practically because of an insanely high rate of fire is the kiss vector and the AN-94. Both have a 2 round bursts setting that essential is firing 2 rounds at the same time.

[@joshy7759]

On the SKS: Nyet, rifle is fine.

[@thespicyboys3252]

Idk if its his cadence or the information but i can listen to him educate for hours upon hours

[@tycinis]

the reaction to the dog was priceless !

[@CiastoToKlamstwo]

magazine coupling is useful, but only when in action in specific scenarios, like CQB. That's why I think SIGs system is actually the best one. It doesn't interfere with anything you do if you're not using it. It's cheap because It's just a small element milled in a magazine mold, so it doesn't really increase the cost and can't be lost. You can easily attach an additional mag before an encounter on the run without fiddling with any additional clips or tape

[@psinno]

Suddenly I want forgotten weapons movie reviews.

[@MongooseTacticool]

Paul Harrell sort of did the new Rambo lol

[@ark-mark1]

Two magazines other facing down is a bad idea if you have any possibility to have to go prone. Then the magazine facing down can get damaged, stucked with dirt and so on. Ex-Delta operator Larry Vickers did show a way to do it right. Delta guys attached two magazines side by side and both facing upwards. They just put something between the upper sides of the magazines so that the spare one would not hit parts of the weapon and just taped them together with duct or electrical tape. Changing of magazines is faster when you don't have to turn the "two pack" upside down and it won't get dirt or damaged if need to go prone.

[@xx-ph5ml]

Listening to his Gospel. #blessed

[@newtclovers]

*His gospel. Capital H, bro!

[@baen1466]

Three minutes in, listening back after the result of said trials and it's fun to see time exist.

[@darkally1235]

For anyone wanting to be a gun designer - see Hudson H9

[@marcusborderlands6177]

That want really a gun design fail, it was a marketing one. They marketed the lighter aluminum gun before delivering the steel one and lost all funding as everyone pulled steel frame orders for the aluminum models release

[@chuckcochran8599]

I also believe Ian, that with the SKS it came down to practicality. They were looking for a mass produced weapon, intermediate cartridge, semi-auto to replace the Mosin. The Mosin was stripper clip fed, so there would be no need for additional training of the conscripted peasant soldier if they stayed with a stripper clip feeding mechanism. Basically, they could just hand these new carbines and the ammo, with very little time needing to be spent training/retraining the troops.

[@JustanOlGuy]

AR-15 the IBM PC of firearms!

[@xxheartbrokexx100]

Ardy Head agreed

[@bryceforsyth8521]

So; awful design, but ubiquitous?

[@SuperAsdf21]

Good enough and now refined into a variety of very effective examples spanning a variety of budgets.

[@billjacobs8035]

I have a shirt with the same paisley pattern 😁😅🤣. Seriously it's a pleasure to support your efforts!

[@aerofd]

One of the problems with extensive live fire small arms training is cost. As a long retired Air Force vet, my military firearms training consisted of two days during basic and then maybe 60 to 100 rounds per year for the next 22 years. Now I generally shoot once a week at an indoor pistol range, firing between 150 and 300 rounds per week. That translates to $27 to $54 per week, assuming I only shoot 9 MM. With approximately 1,300,000 people in US military service it would cost between $35,000,000 and $70,000,000 per week for the same amount of 5.56 NATO. Would it be money well spent? I think so. For me, a radar technician who never fired a weapon at anything more dangerous than a paper target no, for combat ready Soldiers and Marines I certainly hope so. You talked of controlled burst in full auto, my AF basic training in full auto was one 20 round mag that was not scored. I have no idea what sort of small arms training AF troops are receiving now, if some one in my old AFSC is deployed to a combat zone I hope they get more than I did. A lot more.

[@robertcolbourne386]

I'm watching this (again) on Nov 12th 2020 and i find it bittersweet to hear Ian speak about his future plans for a world that no longer exists. Covid ready flipped the world on it's tail. Imagine the content we've lost forever.

[@Axemantitan]

I would try to convince pre-WW1 militaries to adopt intermediate rifle/machine gun cartridges.

[@mjones4220]

I have used joined mags. We used 100 mile and hour tape to join the M16 mags we used together. It does help but you only want one joined up for use as your primary mag. It gets difficult to carry more than one of them like that in pouches or pockets. So just the one in the weapon is joined up. The rest you carry are standard.

[@Dafmeister1978]

Hands up everyone who saw the question " If I could buy or build any one gun" and called EM2 Paratrooper?

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

I thought he would say a second model FG-42. I remember the video when he got to shoot an original in full auto

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

Absolutely. My other choice would be the Burgess Folding Shotgun, but that might have legality issues today.

[@matthayward7889]

Dafydd Flower hell YES!

[@oklahomahank2378]

The question about rifles at 19:52 reminds me of Jeff Cooper’s comment about handguns in combat. He said almost no soldier needs a handgun but they all want one.

[@Govanmauler]

We are all forgotten weapons, we are legion!

[@dbmail545]

.380 acp is a very popular cartridge. In the Warsaw Pact as the 9mm Makarov which is almost identical in power and ballistics. The heaviest load that works in a blowback pistol and the lightest load that works in a locked breech.

[@max-fightmaster7673]

There is a pseudo-AR15 carbine in use in Israel, IIRC they were made to take advantage of surplus M1 carbine ammo and magazines. UPDATE: It's a special version of the Galil called the MAGAL

[@JakimAkim]

The one he talks about in the video you mean?

[@blindprophet182]

When i started this video i paused it. Made some tea, came back and hey it looks like im on the same wavelength as ian.

[@blindprophet182]

Of course there's merit to stacking mags together. Of course its situational and you have to comprimise weight and possible reliability. Trekking through the desert probably not a good idea. Clearing bldgs and needing to switch mags in a pinch, or using from a confined space in a veihicle without having to manuver yourself to get the mag.. maybe

[@SomaticApparition]

The DP-12 shows up in the new call of duty too - although it’s barely pretending to be realistic anymore of course.

[@Calvin_Coolage]

You haven't been keeping up with it I see. The marketing and hype was foaming at the mouth with 'muh realism'. Althought the DP-12 is really the only weirs, impractical memegat in that game. Every other weapon makes sense except for it.

[@piergiorgiocaroli9201]

@@Calvin_Coolage Also the Hand-held Minigun and the Frankensniper HDR.

[@Calvin_Coolage]

@@piergiorgiocaroli9201 The minigun is a basically a given and the HDR is at least a neat frankengun.

[@ryanhawn1846]

Mg42 bipod was made to be flexible because you aren't always shooting on flat ground. U are in a trench or behind cover hills ect. It also flips around and is sturdy for flat ground

[@oulakuuva]

For everybody wondering where is DP12 rant timestamp, it's basically the 1:07:27 - Movie guns I hate

[@silverspade2570]

You clearly haven't shot one!!! It's an amazing and very reliable shotgun.

[@oulakuuva]

@@silverspade2570 I never said I have. Those are Ian's words, not mine.

[@jbeers1234]

Per the .30 Carbine question, there’s the AMT Automag III. Not in production anymore, but I shot one back in the late 80s and it was VERY cool.

[@GregDaGoblin]

Saw one for sale at a gun show a couple months ago. Took every ounce of my will to walk away from it lol

[@Dja05]

First question and I'm still wandering why there's no new .32 pocket pistols on the market anymore :v.

[@SgtKOnyx]

Because you can now get pretty much the same capacity in a very competitive size in larger calibers, and since we exist in a market where stopping potential is valued. Put more bluntly, no one would actually buy them.

[@Dja05]

@@SgtKOnyx yeah, but .32 has way less recoil and is smaller, so you can cram more ammo and have better follow-up shots. Personally, I'm more accurate and faster in rapid fire using my pkk-l rather than my Glock 19. Plus you have a lot of people willing to go to .22 or .25 guns for either size concerns or because they are physically too weak to operate a sub comp 9mm. I don't know... The modern .380 craze always seemed like a "bigger bullet good" fad to me...

[@SgtKOnyx]

@@Dja05 Sure, but the capacity in the same space is *maybe* one extra round? And the recoil argument is only going to matter to a relative few people.

[@LUR1FAX]

.32 Really doesn't offer anything you can't get with .380 ACP. Except for maybe one extra round in the mag.

[@CHMernerner]

380acp

[@dustinf11]

I love that globe... And the book shelf. Also, the robe your wearing is badass. I guess I love your whole schtick.

[@danieladams553]

You missed a golden opportunity in the case rim discussion to say that due to poor qc rounds varied on a "case by case" basis.