Q & A MILLER 220 and ESAB 205

[@davidjanuszewski5020]

I like it that you involve yourself with answering these questions, shows commitment and interest in folks inquires.

[@giuseppepennisi640]

Thank you, I just bought the miller and I will see how it goes .

[@BakersGas]

Thank you for watching!!! We want to help you make the best decision. Any questions let us know.

[@Subway1427]

I really like that you give impartial answers and don't gravitate to "blue" as a lot of people have already made up their mind, not by performance or capabilities but out of knowing the Millers better or for longer. You just give it how it is for both. I actually just bought the Rebel 205, and like everybody I'm sure, I'm questioning my choice. The dealer had both machine side by side for the exact same price. After doing some homework and reading as much as i could about both as well as the Lincoln Electric 210 MP thrown in the mix too. I ended up choosing the Lincoln first, as I chose price point because I was going to add the 200 Square Wave onto of the 210MP. As they would have pretty much added up comparably the Miller and the Rebel all said and done. After considering all options, I took the Lincoln home, had it in my garage for a few day, without setting it up, I got buyers remorse and returned it. Reason being, I really didn't like the mig gun that came with it, as it was very, not to say cheap, but it was pretty cheap looking, and definitely a light hobby gun, and on top of that I wouldn't be able to weld 6010 electrodes with it. I have my pressure welding ticket, and not that I'd be doing a ton of piping projects in my garage (I mean none), I still wanted to have the ability to practice for pipe tests on 2" coupons with 6010 and 7018. I also want the ability to weld tig in both AC/DC, and the Rebel totally out performs the lincoln in that regard, functionality wise, with more capability and wider ranging options. I was torn then between the Miller and the ESAB Rebel, and chose to get the Rebel. Again I chose this one over the others due to performance and capability. If I wanted it purely for mig,, well there are lots of options purely for mig, cheaper options, but again I think the Rebel pulled me that way for this reason as well, it put out slightly less top end wire speed that the Miller, but being 220v machines, there really won't be a lot of top end welding due to duty cycle. The Rebel over all in my opinion offers much more, especially when you get more experience. Just like when you buy a bike or a quad, some people sacrifice getting the better model because they're new at it, but experience comes, and when it does a lot of the times people wish they had of splurged or chosen more of a top end model designed for more experienced people. That why I chose the Rebel. I'm now, like a lot of people, questioning that decision, not regretting my decision, just confirming my decision by watching more videos that cover their performance. Long story short, I think I chose wisely as the Rebel not only gives many more options for AC/DC tig, .045 Flux core and the ability to weld 60 series electrodes. So for when I do practice at home for an upcoming pressure test, I can comfortably do that with this machine over the others without having to bring in a different machine just to burn 6010, or have to practice at work, where you have to explain what you're doing, and put up with the looky-loos who inevitably never leave you alone to do your thing, without throwing in their unwanted change (2 cents) all thetime, and grabbing your pieces and "inspecting" your work like they are the authority on the matter, lmao. Happens EVERYWHERE. Unfortunately the Miller or the Lincoln are not made to weld 6010 properly due to lower OCV (open circuit voltage) So hopefully I don't end up regretting my choice, I feel better again after watching this and other videos. Goodluck to everyone else who will also be choosing their next welder.

[@BakersGas]

Thank you for watching and commenting! Totally get the dilemma on which machine to buy. The Rebel 205 is a great choice! I think you will be happy with the machine. Keep us posted :) We are making an update video here soon! Crazy these machines have been out 2 full years!

[@josehinojosa1697]

Now that it’s been a couple years from the time you made this video can u compare them again with all you’ve learned since

[@jeffgenchi5863]

I have the Miller 220 for 3 years now and love it. Been considering a smaller welder from esab that can weld 6010. I am curious why all the welding repair facilities are saying they have trouble with the esab warranty. Bit concerning

[@waynepowell567]

Excellent content. Thanks for the help & info. Still loving my Hypertherm that I purchased from you. Keep up the good work and comparisons.

[@BakersGas]

Thanks for watching! More videos coming soon!

[@DLCC.]

Bakers Gas videos are awesome, I have a multimatic 220 and love it. I was actually looking at an Esab rebel 205 but esabs rebel line is made in China, that was a deal breaker for me, for similar price you can get the miller multimatic 220 proudly made in the USA 🇺🇸

[@4bearsi678]

They ain’t made in USA. They are assembled here with foreign parts(a lot being from china)! You’d be hard pressed to find any product made completely in usa especially one with that many parts, and if you did I’d hate to see the price tag!

[@melgross]

The Rebel’s SMIG is really easy to use. But it’s also very sophisticated. Manual mode is as easy as manual MIG can be. I have it. How is the Miller easier there?

[@nofncsfish]

I currently have a Miller 211 mig. I have a spool gun for it. Will that spool gun work with the 220? I ask because Im on the fence between the miller or esab, but if going miller saves buying another spool gun then that might help me decide.

[@chrisbowles6046]

Why does 7018 welding rod burn hotter when welding vertical?

[@brianmiller4466]

Damn i had a question? How long does it take to pick and ship 5 small items? A week at least right? At least for these guys

[@patricksworkshop6010]

As soon as it’s available I’m picking us the esab 205 for my hobby shop🙂

[@BakersGas]

Thanks for watching Patrick! You can pre order to make sure you get one of the first or at least make sure you put your email in on our website we will send an email when they arrive! www.bakersgas.com/ESA0558102553.html

[@jrperez3088]

I was going to buy the esab 235 ic but then saw this 205. Do you think they will come out with a 235 AC/DC or do you think the 205 would be a better buy

[@BakersGas]

I do know of any specific plans for a 235 AC/DC. The 205 is definitely an awesome machine! Hard for me to make a recommendation with knowing your application. Feel free to call us though if you want to go over specs for both. 877-930-5690 Also the 205 has a $200 rebate right now so that makes the deal even sweeter! The 235 has a $100 rebate or a free TIG torch or foot pedal.

[@floridabeardedwoodworker]

Hey could you do a video comparing the 220 to the Miller Syncrowave 210 AC/DC TIG Welder with MIG Spool mate? Thanks I love the videos and the information. I have one in my future and will be buying from bakers gas.

[@BakersGas]

Sure we will see what we can do! Any other specific questions you would want us to answer? Also what will you primarily be using it for?

[@ryanheffner9769]

Which one has a better duty cycle?

[@tomster70]

It's almost 2021. Any updates, changes or comments you'd now add to your previous responses on these two welders now? Your informative spots here on YT are great and very helpful by the way! Thanks.

[@BakersGas]

Hey! Good question.... more videos coming soon!!! Thinking of doing an update 2021 on this with more questions. I will say now that they have both been out for a while (they are both in stock) The Miller is more popular and overall easier to use/ higher rated by end users. ....However 205 still wins in the 6010 arena and TIG adjustability. If you want to call we can go into more detail.

[@JeffinTD]

@@BakersGas Any hope Miller will up their game as far as being able to run 6010, and advanced mig settings go?

[@aaronaustin3480]

I use a millermatic for odd jobs at work and i have an esab 205 at home. The esab is far superior machine for tig processes. I do a lot of aerospace titanium fit at work and cant use the millermatic at all but i could use my esab all day for it because of the diverse parameter controls.

[@tindjin07]

You mention TIG differences like the frequency and amperage capabilities but what about different wave form or pulse functions? 2T/4T? I was also wondering does the ESAB use regular dinse connectors for both TIG and MIG torches? The Miller uses a flow through connector for TIG doesn't it? Just wondering for being able to try different types of torches and mig guns etc.. Thanks!

[@BakersGas]

The front of the Rebel 205 has a regular 50 mm dins connection for your positive and negative polarity. As far as the MIG gun is concerned it uses a Tweco power pin connector, basically industry standard.

[@2016709889]

Question. I want a small welder for stick. There’s a bunch of machines in the $409 to $700 range. I’d love to buy the fronius transpocket 180, but $1300. Your opinion, Miller thunderbolt, or esab rogue? I’m leaning towards esab. Another question. I want to run it on a generator. Your opinion, Westinghouse or wen? And what size you think I need? Appreciate you. Thanks

[@BakersGas]

Rogue is a powerful little unit!!! We have a few videos on that if you have not checked them out I would watch those for more info. The Transpocket is great too we do have all three in stock :) call us if you want to ask more questions or get a quote on each

[@alamray]

which one is quieter? is the fan always on?

[@BakersGas]

They are about the same.....maybe the 220 is a bit quieter but not much

[@jimmydam9850]

Hey mate, am I able to use these welders in Australia? Can the machine units be set to metric display?

[@2016709889]

May as well get your opinion on helmet too! Lol Sentinel, Miller, or Lincoln, or other? $200-$300 range. Thanks again 🙏

[@BakersGas]

Miller Elite!!! bakersgas.com/collections/miller-welding-helmets/helmet-model_miller-digital-elite

[@johnrich1749]

I want to do stick welding with 1/8 6010 which is the best machine and what electric do the machines run on 110 or 220?

[@BakersGas]

Rebel--- this is the only multiprocess welder than can run 6010 well right now. Any other questions let us know.

[@averagebloke4474]

Is the sentinel A50 a true color helmet? Like true color like miller lens technology and Lincoln 4C technology or is it a green view like the older ones?

[@BakersGas]

Yes the Sentinel has the True-Color Lens technology. Clarity rating is a 1/1/1/2 its a really nice bright clear view especially through the Amber lens. We do have a video on the Sentinel if your have not watched I linked it below for you: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnSUgpupn7l6pKM

[@Enonymouse_]

Most 1/1/1/1 are true-color, but when you get to shades beyond 9, color accuracy and luminance repoduction around the weld pool is still an issue for most ADF's. What annoys me is some of them will brag about color accuracy but only show it at shade 3, as if anyone will actually be welding at shades close to 3.

[@Hours-zi9js]

Which one has a better torch or equipment in general? Are they ck worldwide compatible?

[@BakersGas]

Yes you can adapt a CK torch if you would like. Miller parts are more popular but both are good and we stock/support them. Let us know if you have any other questions.

[@hangngoaigiare]

So the question is which welder brand generally last longer with least problem call back warranty and so on. You keep statistics?

[@BakersGas]

Yes we have had higher reviews on ease of use on the Miller. Also sales on the 220 have out paced the 205. There has been a few Rebel warranty claims and ESAB has taken care of all of them quickly.

[@hangngoaigiare]

@@BakersGas what about the transteel 2200? Any problem with the welder that you know off? Seem to me it beat out the esab and miller on performance but I maybe wrong.

[@sportsman042002]

What is the duty cycle on these two?

[@TheGameBoy56]

I bought rebel 215 mig welder less then 2 months ago worked fine for one light use next time I tried to weld with smart mig welder after couple mintues of use welder jumps to 30v every time u put it in Manuel mode works even maxing our wire feed I fouled get it to keep up with voltage fine contacted welding IOC had to bring thing to service center after one week guy found nothing bought it home worked fine after hard use The guy at services center said this may be one of those problems that you’ll be chasing for long time KNOW AM IN PROCESS OF RETURING IT TO ESAB WITH THERE 100 day guaranteed it’s been 3 weeks still waiting for shipping label to return the thing I’m pissed plus people on phone at esab we’re not nice I’ve been told multiple times it’s my fault it’s not work I’ve been going to school for 4 years know I’m 21 years old I use Miller at my school and that’s wat I’m buying next DONT LET ESAB WIN U over WITH THERE REBEL FEATURES BECASE MILLER IS THE REAL DEAL FYI if u need that many features for ac welding buy a dedicated ac welder These machines hide behind there duty cycle $3,000 ur get the all u can eat buffet but quality lacks on ever meal u eat Welding IOC I spoke with both Chase and Nathan both are very nice and recommended them if ur a first comer to buying welder

[@esabweldingandcutting]

Hi there, We're sorry to hear about your experience and have already reached out to you to learn more about your situation. At ESAB we stand behind our products and will do whatever it takes to make it right for you with our Iron Clad Guarantee. We look forward to hearing back from you soon.

[@BakersGas]

If you would have bought it from Bakersgas.com we would have made sure we helped get the replacement/money back guarantee quickly, typically same day! :) We have had a few people take ESAB up on the Iron Clad Guarantee and it has been an easy process. Sorry to hear you had a bad experience! No worries ESAB will make it right!

[@TheGameBoy56]

Thank u for all ur responses really appreciated

[@Lahainalongboarder]

Ya I purchased an esab sentinel welding hood and it performed great... until the batteries died and I replaced them. Now it just constantly blinks as if the sensors are malfunctioning. It really pissed me off and the people at esab were no help and they made promises to make things right but never came through. It’s unfortunate because I purchased a years supply of lenses for that hood and now it’s just a glorified face shield 😤🤦🏻‍♂️ Miller seems to be the way to go.

[@edgartome3665]

can i use the tig gun from the 235 on the 205 ?

[@mattbentley8958]

Yes you can also use any air-cooled CK torch on the market.

[@zakaroonetwork777]

Question: Can The 205 gun be upgraded to to that of the 235?

[@BakersGas]

Yes!

[@shockwave8a196]

Howdy, thanks for putting this comparison together. A couple questions if I may. Will either one do mig spray transfer? Can the mig gun be left plugged in while using tig/stick and vice versa? Can either one use mig spool guns? Does the rebel have a foot pedal, and does either one have wireless foot pedal options? Is there a water cooler that can be used with either of these for water cooled torches? Can the firmware be updated on either one?

[@BakersGas]

I can answer a few of them the others I will have to get with the manufacture/our welding engineer to confirm. Yes the MIG gun can stay connected on the 220 you can actually just pull the trigger/tap the foot pedal and it switches over. (QuickTech technology) which makes it super easy and fast to switch processes. Both you can add a spool gun. Miller you can use a wireless or hand control they would be a separate add on. I can get you pricing if you are interested. ESAB does not have a wireless foot control. It does come with the corded one. Feel free to email or call us too! 877-930-5690 [e-mail]

[@BakersGas]

Checked with ESAB and the 205 will spray arc with .035 wire with 90/10 argon/C02. You can leave the MIG gun plugged in while TIG welding however you will have to switch out the polarity out of the positive to the negative in order to switch over from TIG to MIG or vice versa.

[@trkinwithmikey]

I know you touched on this and you said the esab could run a 6011 Rod but the Miller had some difficulty could you explain why that is important?

[@LT4Nova]

My guess it is because it's a popular rod with superior tensile strength? Therefore people looking into buying newer welders may want the capability to run that rod.

[@BakersGas]

Michael 6010 deliver deep penetration and are popular because you can use them to dig through rust, oil, paint and dirt. 60 indicated the tensile strength of 60,000 and the 1 means all position and the 0 indicates the type of welding current so for 6010 DC Only. Its a big deal because many of the new inverter style machines don't handle them as well as an industrial transformer type welding machine. Here is a good post from ESAB about 6010 for you to check out if your interested: www.esabna.com/us/en/news/newsletters/may-2016/welding-and-machines-for-6010-electrodes.cfm

[@chrisjones6165]

6010 is for welding pipe root passes

[@LT4Nova]

Jones among many other things.

[@jasonweb9720]

The spool gun on which unit is better?

[@BakersGas]

To be honest we did not hook up the spool gun on either! Maybe a future video. :)

[@jasonweb9720]

Baker's Gas I would love to see the spool guns in action on the two machines. I am getting one of the two machines. Great for job portability. And I weld lots of aluminum docks. Keep up the great work with the videos. I think we all appreciate it!

[@jrperez3088]

I was going to buy the esab 235ic but I like that this esab machine has AC/DC, are they coming out with a 235 AC/DC or do you think this 205 would be better?

[@BakersGas]

@@jrperez3088 we would have to ask ESAB on plans for another AC/DC unit ;) @esab Really depends on your application which unit would be better.

[@BakersGas]

@@jasonweb9720 thanks for watching! I will see if we can do that!

[@manuabecassis]

ESAB is a huge brand in Europa, same as fronius or GYS

[@Cincothakid]

Which is better for 6010 or other stick rods like 8010

[@BakersGas]

Rebel

[@eliapple1224]

My main question has to do with metal thickness cuz I originally wanted the esab 215 does the 235 do more than 3/8 thickness and how thick could is a 205 AC DC rubble go 3/8 thickness as well

[@BakersGas]

Both machines are great but it really does come down to whether or not you are going to need to weld 3/8" material or thicker. If you think you will then the 235 is the way to go the extra amperage will be needed and it also will be helpful to have the spray transfer mode. Let us know if you have any other questions. We did make a video on the 235 I linked it below for you if you have not checked it out yet. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmS7nGtnrLaZoNE

[@sbranham86]

You can weld any thickness you want as long as you can burn 1/8 7018 rod at around 140 amps. Just takes multiple passes

[@Enonymouse_]

I couldn't find replacement parts for the a50 until almost 3 years after the a50 was released, so it's plausible that some new ESAB products may be tough to find.

[@BakersGas]

No, we stock many and can get them for you if your local supply can not. Just call or email us.

[@Enonymouse_]

@@BakersGasYou guys didn't have them either for a long time.

[@stoneloan8912]

Hi brother is the miller 220 volts power available here in darwin?

[@BakersGas]

We can ship you the 220 if that is what you mean? :)

[@stoneloan8912]

@@BakersGas hi bro One day I would be down there in Darwin. I am still here in East Timor. Can you send me some link ofthe welder 220 you have if you want thanks.

[@BakersGas]

@@stoneloan8912 bakersgas.com/products/miller-907757

[@stoneloan8912]

@@BakersGas is it in Australian currency?

[@Lonewadi6242]

What is the exact release date for the Rebel?

[@BakersGas]

January 2019! If you sign up on our website we will be sending an email when they arrive! You can also pre order to be sure you get one in first batch! www.bakersgas.com/ESA0558102553.html

[@kevinlorenz-fiddler7940]

What size roll does the esab hold

[@BakersGas]

8 inch spool or 11#

[@roygrohler4871]

I want to run a 150 spool gun and a a.c. tig to build boats

[@roygrohler4871]

At the same time

[@howardnelson5907]

Case 450

[@Joeak74]

Go Lincoln Electric!!!

[@jaimeleon2020tercos]

👍🤪

[@barteklewandowski3223]

In Europe Gys is better then Esab

[@smallgarageworkshop6119]

Lol ok