QLD Police: Shooting of Snr Constable Brett Forte

[@policeau-vb5he]

Such a tragic event RIP Senior Constable Brett Forte. Thank you for your service!

[@Kolan_Koala]

That was an execution, didn't stand a chance.

[@TheRealLuckyTalisman]

Sgt Jenkins bloke dealt with that phonecall so poorly.

[@fineaf-up3et]

sort of silly the way he was speaking. Very odd for coppa.

[@LongJohnnn]

@@fineaf-up3etHe's trying to get him to come to the station so they can arrest him. He's talking like that to sound chill and give him a false sense of security. You would have to be exceptionally dumb or just sick of running to listen to him though.

[@ImperialKnight86]

A lot of qld coppers are like that. They have a toxic culture.

[@Matty12787]

@@LongJohnnn Exceptionally dumb is the answer..

[@SlCKB0Y-sb1kg]

@@LongJohnnnof course some part of the offender wanted to resolve the issue that’s why he called the police in the first place.

[@rochelle8124]

Weak policing. They KNEW he was likely armed, WITH a fully automatic weapon. Polair shouldn’t have ever hesitated knowing this information. If Polair were “monitoring the radio” they’d have heard that Madison was leading them into the fucking bush on a one-way ticket to hell. Even so, this is seriously upsetting. 😢

[@sunriseboy4837]

Slow down....slow down; you've got to remember this is Qld. We like to take things a lot more quietly, and slowly up here. We don't like to jump to conclusions. Don't like to rush into things... Dear God....the coppers up here make the Beverly Hillbillies look like Dirty Harry!?

[@michaeltuffin5002]

@@sunriseboy4837. they’re a bad bunch is what I’m hoping you mean..

[@sunriseboy4837]

@@michaeltuffin5002 👍

[@timmyanderson1576]

maybe it was a spectacular large failure like the other 3 or 4 now fro.bthe information system called prime. absolute junk and places lives at risk. they brought it in Tasmania and its again absolute rubbish compared to what they used to have. guess will have to wait for the 4 coroner's findings to get rid of it despite its 35M price tag.

[@pigmeal2224]

Keystone cops stuff ...

[@Bohemian-Rhapsody]

It's a shame that they need to check in and request/beg communications to do their jobs. There's so much afraid ass-covering going on in the conversations It's like they've been hog tied into not being able to do their jobs.

[@dawidmurray]

Work with a few ex coppers from QLD who resigned. They all tell me its a fucking joke how much the law protects the criminals and how political it is (any time theres a shooting/public space murder, politicians react with kneejerk responses just to look good, ie 2 week blitz focusing all their resources doing some stupid shit just so the public can see). Criminals have free reign here, no pursuit policies are just the the tip of the iceberg, even the courts slap them on the wrist.

[@willisb4210]

Welcome to Australian policing in 2023

[@ryankinsela7668]

​@willisb4210 the video is of an incident that happened years ago. It's not a recent thing.

[@jasoar1563]

2017@@willisb4210

[@TomRaw-sd6xd]

exactly, as a Victoria police officer in the 60s, when it was a good force, I have never heard such arse covering confusion. The drivers' minds are not on the job in hand. My sincere condolences for the deceased officer, so sorry.

[@76guzzi78]

Besides the tragic outcome of this, what a clusterfuck! Pursuit policies v the protection of the officers pursuing was a joke! Polair "monitoring" but not engaging was a joke, clear concise radio traffic was nearly non existent! Police hierarchy should have been held accountable fot this because of their limp dick attitudes in giving their front line officers every single bit of assistance they neededd. The radio controller should have been held highly accountable for his lack of situational awareness and piss weak pursuit policies could well have saved this officers life by enabling the pursuit officers the ability to perform a pit manouvre way earlier.

[@MattyClivingthedream]

In Australia, pit manoeuvers are rarely used, and in Queensland (the state that this occurred) they have very strict policies on pursuits. Queensland policies are so strict, that a recent pursuit was called off on multiple occasions between Brisbane and the Gold Coast. The vehicle eventually crossed the border to NSW and the NsW cops finally used more aggressive tactics before the vehicle was stopped.

[@fig5330]

Queensland Police Officers are not trained to perform pit manoeuvres, the pursuit should have been called off once he was heading into bushland, it's as simple as that.

[@jeremy_trent]

Sorry, I'm an American... What is Polair? Is that the police aviation unit?

[@axe2Mummy]

ACAB

[@CQuinnLady]

@@jeremy_trent PolAir.. Police Air

[@TetherT]

"See Ricky you're all talk" Great call Sgt Jenkins provoke the man who you suspect has automatic firearms. Rip Senior Constable Brett Forte

[@officialWWM]

Exactly! That Sargent is complicit!

[@CQuinnLady]

U cant provoke a guy like this, they are permanently angry. He is also well known to police, they know exactly who they are dealing with.

[@TetherT]

​@@CQuinnLadyYou can totally provoke a man like that in fact its easy. Don't tell him that "you're all talk" you back him into a corner. Soon as jenkins said that i fell a shot out was inevitable. Like you said well know to police 1st time he shot but right?

[@n1kobefan]

@@CQuinnLadyidiot take.

[@TheKrispyfort]

Oh, yeah, that guy's A+ prick

[@normal000_1]

rest in peace its awful to see a officer pass away

[@officialWWM]

It’s awful to see ANYONE pass away!

[@dropbear9526]

You've very obviously got a very short memory.

[@normal000_1]

@@dropbear9526

[@Nitrotoast1]

@@officialWWM agree, but the video is about a police officer being murdered

[@Tramontin-jk2qk]

No it’s not.

[@samuelroark-perez8634]

RIP Ty again for providing this coverage of police activity in the land of Aus. 😊

[@maccamacca7762]

Absolute tragedy, however Sgt. Jenkins handled that phone call absolutely disgracefully.

[@pullmyniblets]

That's what I was going to say He should be partly to blame for that whole situation

[@pigmeal2224]

I am gobsmacked they actually released this footage ... it's bloody shameful ...🤦🤦🤦

[@hottuberrol968]

Crim has a history Sgt Smartarse winds up the crim on the phone One car let themselves , on their own, be led up a dusty narrow road. Perfect ambush conditions. 2nd cop car rolled nowhere near the action - ridiculous Multiple requests for location despite cops calling the pursuit . I can track my missus but…Do the Cops not GPS their own cars or phones ? Isn’t that, like, a fundamental of knowing where your resources area. All round amateur hour cost a cop his life.

[@deco.7798]

absolutely shocking police work

[@B.O.S.H_music]

The GDP 208 show never have followed the vehicle too begin with. IOM

[@michaeltuffin5002]

Qld police culture is thug.. started by jo Bielke Peterson.

[@TheKrispyfort]

Technologies have improved. Mostly because it had to in order to deal with fire season. Am I a firie? No. Am I a cop? Again, no. Just aware of some tech advances

[@TheKrispyfort]

​@@B.O.S.H_music my sibling only went general duties because of medical requirements. Besides, someone has to answer the phone and explain why a noise complaint isn't an emergency. They just don't have to be a deliberate scht-stirring pratt about it

[@harry-nl7wn]

fucking horrific. god bless forte and his family 💙🕊️💙🕊️

[@vspec2wrx]

Sgt Jenkins, should be investigated, that's a very bad negotiation with a dangerous criminal who possesses automatic firearms. Bad policing and a completely preventable death.

[@МилошЧУЉАКОВАНОВИЋ]

Okay how could he possibly know he has AUTOMATIC firearms when even SEMI-AUTOMATIC firearms are illegal in Australia? Only auto if he made it auto himself.

[@Mvrky0]

What the fuck was dispatch doing? People shouting help me theres automatic gunfire and you get stupid questions and some random guy like 'um im not near the scene but i can hear gunshots, i can hear gunshots', while the other officers are trying to radio through because they're GETTING SHOT AT, this was fucking embarassing to watch

[@No_Pro_00]

I 100 percent agree with you.. I'm unsure if people in dispatch are actual police. I could be totally wrong. Either way you wouldn't want that idiot saying I can hear gunshots on your side in a crisis situation because we know how that one ended..

[@seqemergencyvehicles]

why has this been reuploaded?

[@mikespearwood3914]

Asking for donations apparently??

[@mikespearwood3914]

To be fair: it's showing the audio of the phone conversation that was infamous, and not featured before.

[@peterbartley7183]

@@mikespearwood3914not a phone conversation a radio conversation

[@katemaunder2080]

If we can't trust the police to look after their own, how do we trust them to look after us?! Rip Brett.

[@Damajah1]

great comment

[@willisb4210]

All state police services need to learn from this. As a current member, I’m embarrassed to watch this. 1. Comms are horrendous, you should always know what road you’re on, stop asking where to go and take some initiative and setup sticks. Quit with the Aussie slang (“big guy”) comms, and move to a concise code model (similar to US comms). One channel for updates from primary unit and a second channel for unit coordination. 2. Can’t believe I heard a unit say, “I’m unarmed”. This just pure stupidity. 3. First stop stick deployment was just lazy and dangerous. Clearly the members need better training. 4. Clearly there’s similarities to lack of resources with PolAir and SERT around the country. I could go on but this comment would be way too long. Sorry that someone has lost their life, QPS Command should feel solely responsible.

[@ImperialKnight86]

Why you'd chase someone known for firearms' offences is beyond me. Anyway, that's their thing.

[@migerrancan554]

I think the slang system works fine the worst mistake was following a bloke with firearms charges up a dirt road, absolutely idiotic

[@TheEnvelopeOZ]

Do you think TW269 vehicle did the right thing by pulling back? Is there anything you'd do differently?

[@paulyjones3966]

My sister just quit after 15 years. The WA police seem to think the old ways are better and treated her as such, and she got to the senior detective position

[@TheKrispyfort]

G'day I hope you have a reasonably boring shift today I'm not blue. Just a carrot

[@nqzy]

why was an officer unarmed? why did they leave him when he got fired on?

[@Walker_Texas_Danger]

thats aussie cops for ya. DEI is out of control here. they will let 55kg4foot 19yogirls that speak english as a 2nd language be a cop in austalia its a joke.

[@humanbeing8819]

Cool story bro​@@Walker_Texas_Danger

[@pigmeal2224]

I know the officer that ran. I'm not going to say any more or stand in any judgement whatsoever other than to say ... others may have handled that situation differently. Likely the majority of others.

[@STITCH4211]

i have a family member who was an officer at the time and on scene for the shed siege and the aftermath... a couple years later he was medically retired, after being diagnosed with "PTS" (its no longer referred to PTSD in the service for some reason) this scene was a big factor in this. this impacted so many peoples lives..... RIP Snr.Const B.Forte

[@Mr-Damage]

Oh fuck off... ptsd is a scam.

[@LifeOfLevi]

Merry christmas Fortie, thank you for your service

[@juliecasey5196]

Lest We Forget🇦🇺🌺💙🙏

[@nycon724]

Damn... TW269 abandoned the first rolled vehicle. Left them and got their own car rolled.... Incompetent police

[@TheEnvelopeOZ]

I know man, no man left behind? What happened to that..

[@larqy8828]

They were unarmed what would u do go to the shooting unarmed n just look at the gunman n say hello?

[@Matt_Wilson01]

@@larqy8828police unarmed???? As if

[@624radicalham]

@@Matt_Wilson01 WTF are you asking? They had no guns

[@cjfrotz8349]

What would you do run in to gunfire

[@Twenty_Six_Hundred]

Everything was pretty bad to be honest. Poor pursuit communications with no standards followed along with variances in terminologies which leads to confusion. Following an armed suspect onto a dead-end dirt road without being armed and close proximity. Lets not mention that two units made a run for it while their fellow officers where left as target practice. It's all well and good to become a cop for dishing out random speeding tickets. However they need the confidence and training for when it hits the fan, otherwise don't sign up.

[@bluebacon4233]

Why are the police unarmed? I don’t understand. Especially chasing someone reported to have a weapon!?

[@greg4876]

They were sitting ducks... imagine going to a gun fight without a gun

[@pigmeal2224]

Not only that, the lead car had tactical response crew. The deceased officer was tactical squad .... and they KNEW potential for (auto) firearms ... I'm speechless ...

[@OptimalToast]

I just hope it's not a political push to be more like England where only a select few officers carry arms, and often not among the first responders on scene. This country's politicians have a stupid habit of unnecessarily following what other countries do.

[@naomikrstinic8049]

RIP SENIOR CONSTABLE BRETT FORTE! Thank you for your service and bravery Sir! My deepest condolences to your family, and your brothers and sisters in blue! My heartfelt prayers are with you!

[@lachlanbaker2031]

Since it’s Queensland I can assume the perp got a $300 fine and apology letter?

[@SuperAdventureR1301]

Probably only a $100 fine. $300 fines are reserved for the true dangers of society, drivers who speed 2mkh over the limit.

[@bradXshuffle]

I think you mean Australia, not just QLD 😅 Stupid courts letting everyone off lightly after shit like this.

[@jaxtar923]

Was back to centrelink the next day!

[@Dr_Pickle]

10-50 years

[@izaacbanks3337]

nah they killed ricky maddison

[@timothylemons634]

it's real scary that the public has to rely on police like this to keep them safe,

[@PM-lz5gs]

The incompetence from the initial phone call was astounding High speed chasing a man with an automatic weapon..I’m amazed and thankful no innocent people were hurt

[@mickanon5607]

High Speed - LOL. Maybe exceeded the speed limit by 10km/hr at the most. He even stopped at a stop sign!

[@petertousignant6566]

I really enjoyed this video because it included audio between dispatch and the officers. I thought the officers did outstanding job up until the shooting. This is when I realize that this was the second video that I’ve seen of Australia officers acting in such a cowardly manner When facing very dangerous situation Where one of their fellow officers life was in danger. The second vehicle may not have ruled over if it would’ve stopped the vehicle in front of them tipped over. That officer that died me out of had to die if the officer behind her stopped and tried to help. I know for a fact, and my actions have proven to be a fact that I would rather run towards danger to help another individual possibly survive rather than live my life, knowing I acted in a cowardly manner only for self preservation.

[@BYONYX_420]

How do u get access to police body/dash cam in Australia

[@ClintonHart-f3t]

through FOI

[@pigmeal2224]

Freedom of Information requests ... or wait until the inquests wrap up and their media units will often release in higher profile cases.

[@ColinVanderheide]

Send my condolences to the Officer who lost his life during his duties. I wish to his family, loved ones, friends and police colleagues.

[@hemmedup1909]

I'm sorry did the second unit in the chase state they were unarmed? What good would they be???

[@Johadart]

So sad bad people like this are in the world, RIP Snr Const B Forte. Condolences to family and the Queensland Police Force..

[@Excitedutterance]

I remember this it was terrible. Who can I talk to to ask permission to restream this content with alteration / commentary? I appreciate your help.

[@kelvinrimmer5443]

i went to that university, that whole town is a shithole. TW269 you just bailed leaving your officers to die, kept running for WAY to long and rolled? wow.

[@sunjabibahladeen6394]

Tw269 abandoned, shameful to leave your officer to die. I'm assuming b. Forte was in the first vehicle that rolled instantly. She was calling for backup while 269was running away

[@pigmeal2224]

I know the officer that ran. I'm not going to say any more or stand in any judgement whatsoever other than to say ... others may have handled that situation differently. Likely the majority of others.

[@craggles1969]

The police phone call, could have used de-escalation tactics instead of enraging the caller. This could have helped with bringing the man in, however these are just my thoughts. What the man did, ambush the police, I do not condone. It was an unfortunate out come for all parties involved with the loss of 2 lives.

[@ericgardner5548]

What a stupid policy to ask dispatch for permission to pursuit. It should be a police supervisor.

[@paulk8072]

So sad, paid with his life for the community. RIP

[@ramroddrone5449]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but did I hear the dispatcher speaking to the police guys in the car? So is there any reason to apprehend him plus other weird things that he asked the police in the car?

[@SlCKB0Y-sb1kg]

Yes, VKR was asking for justification for the pursuit which is information which had already been provided to VKR (wanted on numerous indictable offences, other methods of apprehension had failed to this point etc). VKR was not paying attention the first time this info was provided and needed to ask a second time for arse covering reasons before giving approval.

[@brucebaxter6923]

Systems and procedures

[@Jdeneik]

Do criminals in Australia obey gun laws? Ah they don’t here in the USA. Meanwhile law abiding citizens are sitting ducks. Let alone the police officers. Sickening

[@ambermarie7531]

Yeah, I was surprised to hear one of the officers say he was unarmed... sending an unarmed officer into that kind of situation is just crazy to me.

[@pigmeal2224]

​@@ambermarie7531the lead vehicle had tactical response crew. Let that sink in ...

[@justinsmith8659]

(Ex QPS 15 years) - Ùnfortunately with the QPS we see the same thing time and time again due to a lack of training and ridiculous knee jerk ass covering pursuit polices. QPS general police are still NOT trained in pursuit tactics. All they're allowed to do is follow the vehicle and use TDD's when approved. They are NOT allowed to box the vehicle in, drive beside or in front of it or perform any kind of PIT. They have to basically beg the COMCO for permission to fart because all the QPS are concerned with is the liability. Those in the comments are right, this was a cluster fuck. There were ways to control the pursuit but the crim controlled it from start to end, hence he had the advantage and as a result someone was killed. Comms were unprofessional, inaccurate and poor. Officer failed to deploy TDD because there were civillian vehicles in the way. All the QPS would have had to do was buy some new tyres but he was able to use them as a shield. Unarmed officers involved (no copper should have been on duty unarmed). Police were ill equipped and unable to render any kind of defence of their colleagues under fire. I was around when Perry Irwin was killed and we saw the same issue. No leadership, no command, no tactics, poor comms and an officer died. QPS amateur hour hour has to end now.

[@ImperialKnight86]

Okay, thank you for service. But how does police chase somebody known for firearm offences without a firearm? Not to mention, is that common for police to be unarmed on duty? The only time I've ever seen an unarmed cop is community policing. That's it. I know you were talking about incompetence, but how does that happen though? It's PPE

[@bruce4890]

And let’s not forget the Brett Irwin fiasco!

[@pigmeal2224]

I'm absolutely gobsmacked that they actually released the footage. Worse than keystone cops ... 🤦🤦

[@TheKrispyfort]

How are you able to get these recordings?

[@rm6330]

freedom of information requests

[@phawkins-mi5pc]

The QPS is 100% at fault for this outcome. That bloke should have been shut down days before it got to this. Weak policing imo. RIP Mr Forte

[@TrTriTrippin]

Banning guns was not a solution, Here's the proof People are always the problem Firearms save lives every day

[@OptimalToast]

Whatever peoples stance, it's not firearms and knives that get charged and put on trial.

[@Hazzii]

reupload?

[@joshbrookes6439]

Yeah kind of noticed that although with a big difference did you not notice it was quite a lot softer and Less graphic this time around

[@rach3939]

Probably because KZbin took it down they always do if it’s got something violent in it or even for dumb shit

[@johnfish1194]

Cant imagine in this day and age, how many UK cops dont carry guns.

[@MrNatewhatley]

Looks like these cops need to be charged with failing to control a vehicle, absolutely useless

[@bardleyknight4703]

Plenty of cowards in the comments. None have the courage to live in a place without police. FACTS.

[@blase1407]

Ol’ no guns Australia… y’all need to get your shit together. RIP Forte

[@nukedude2433]

You get it! Our government actually believes that criminals will follow laws.. ridiculous.

[@cv8z632]

Of course criminals can get guns. Its idiots like you who think they need guns that we are protecting ourselves from.😂

[@pigmeal2224]

How can one of the units following "not be armed". In the circumstances ... are we for real here?!?!

[@No_Pro_00]

I can't believe that either 🤷 I thought every QPS officer has a gun and vest.. how dum

[@olivercook8808]

Sgt Jenkins handled that phone call about as poorly as you could. For someone who is supposed to be professional and not let emotions take over, that was horribly handled. Could have been a much different day for Snr Constable Brett Forte had you handled that phone call differently. RIP

[@No_Pro_00]

Sgt Jenkins should be stripped of his rank. An unprofessional interaction that led to a death..

[@benedictcroft3488]

Thanks

[@RobertLewis-el9ub]

Known long arm weapon = respond with long arm weapon + body armour. I would hazard a guess none of the officers had such a weapon or protective equipment in their vehicles. Command should of called the pursuit off within the first few minutes - risk management 101.

[@pigmeal2224]

The lead police vehicle had tactical response crew on board. Pursuing a person known to be likely armed with potentially autos. Let that sink in ... 🤦🤦

[@michaeltuffin5002]

Why was that cop unarmed..

[@lh7325]

Office staff I'm guessing. He should have geared up beforehand. The member that was killed was armed, though.

[@alfredgarrett5065]

He was controlling a 2000 pound deadly weapon. If both cops floored the gas pedal and went forwards....

[@nukedude2433]

As someone else said, he was likely office/admin staff.

[@PrimalRenegade17]

Its a pretty insane chase with a tragic end. Not something one would expect to occur in Australia, especially not rural queensland. Rip Forte.

[@BigSwift9]

Watching this from the US it’s heartbreaking to see how neutered the police are against known armed individuals. Hearing “what is the imminent need to apprehend the individual?” was incredibly shocking to hear. Once the subject was identified as having a history of armed/dangerous behavior, I wish a more aggressive protocol could be utilized. Immediate activation of whichever division is authorized to use firearms would’ve been helpful, as well as assigning the original pursuing officers to trail/loiter until armed reinforcement could arrive. Hearing Why on earth their aviation unit wasn’t dispatched once they were on the highway is beyond me. I understand that the US is not Australia and vice versa, and our law enforcement policies vary greatly, but for the sake of police safety, I wish unarmed police policies would be reevaluated. There were multiple shortcomings in the whole of this incident, but an armed officer may have stood a better chance if able to return fire, albeit against an automatic rifle. Every option should be made available to a police officer in situations like this.

[@lh7325]

I'm a former police officer from Australia and we are not unarmed. I never did not carry a firearm on duty during my service. I wasn't part of Queensland Police, but the member on comms who says he's unarmed must be office staff. I'm guessing he didn't bother gearing up beforehand, and didn't realise the severity of the situation.

[@tucoselby]

Every police officer I've ever seen in Australia carries a side arm. I have never heard of unarmed police on patrol.

[@Tom32145_]

That unarmed officer was unusual, almost always all officers are armed. What they dont expect is to get shot at with full auto fire, it basically never happens in QLD and other states if Australia. Full auto rifles are pretty rare, even with alot of criminal groups who illegally obtain firearms hardly ever is it full auto firearms. More like shotguns, bolt action rifles and handguns. Thats partly why although officers on duty are always armed they often dont wear ballistic vests, there’s no need in general duties policing. I understand watching this from the context of an American this would seem like impotent, weak policing, but its a completely different playing field, different worlds really. Officers hardly ever ever expect to randomly encounter armed suspects. But once the call went out that the suspect is involved with firearms then the tactics should have changed. The air asset should have been in the air… though normally with 4 cop cars following a car into slow, deserted roads with dead ends it wouldnt be needed. They all heard the possible firearms involved radio call but failed to put adequate emphasis on the possible dangers and take more precautions. And unfortunately because of past accidents where bystanders have been killed in police pursuits and boxing in manoeuvres and bloody lawyers everyone has to cover their arses so they couldnt be as aggressive as they needed to be to stop the car on the highway. Policing in Australia has alot of problems and weaknesses but overall the average citizen feels safe and has decent trust in the police to protect them. I couldnt even imagine the nightmare of trying to safely police the USA where theres an outcry over police shootings while the police have to essentially assume everyone they interact with could be armed.

[@naomikrstinic8049]

I agree! This was painful to watch as an American! So many things just were so wrong with this, and a senseless avoidable death of a police officer! So disturbing on so many levels 😢😢😢

[@MarcDickerius]

What a crazy suspect... driving on The wrong side of The road... ohh sorry, this is England.. LOL

[@johnwoodall3791]

I do remember this & it's a sad reality of life in this day & age. Police go to work not knowing what sort of day lays ahead of them. On this day said Officer Forte would have went to work as normal & he would have been aware that something could happen today. The Officer in this matter of great concern didn't give an inch. A truly Great Job is done by the Police & their are people that mock them & those who support them. To those who Mock them think twice next time your threatened by someone if it should happen & God forbid it does, but you don't kick the Service that daily puts lives on the line so we can stay safe... Rest In Peace Officer... With Respect...

[@blowfishlord9589]

This is what people need to understand.

[@thatguy123hmmm3]

Why was an unarmed officer the 2 pursuing vehicle with someone known to have guns on them. Also When they started getting shot up the 3rd or 4th cars behind started to back up instead of helping their colleagues.

[@TheKrispyfort]

They were also unarmed. Gun culture isn't really a thing in Australia And why should they stay? It'd add to the victim count and further block the road for those with the appropriate response weaponry. They also lacked the kit necessary to pull the other vehicles out of the way. They did what they could and probably still feel sick about it

[@tucoselby]

@@TheKrispyfort How do you know they were also unarmed??

[@nukedude2433]

@@TheKrispyfort it absolutely is a thing here. Just because YOU might not be a fan and just because the culture is not as prominent as it is in America doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Along with that, every single active duty police officer I’ve ever seen carries a sidearm. I don’t know why the officer in this video was unarmed, likely was office staff or something. Get yr facts straight

[@Tom32145_]

@@nukedude2433”not as prominent”???? The gun cultures are worlds apart…. You cant compare them. Just because some people gave firearms in Australia doesn’t mean we have a gun culture. Someone shooting at a police car with full automatic fire is basically unprecedented in QLD. The officer was probably unarmed because he was not a regular duty or something but was in a car and heard the radio call and went to help. Everyone is complaining saying shit policing, yes there were mistakes, but ive not read one comment with someone saying exactly what they would have done differently that sounds like it might have worked. They should have been allowed to attempt to box him in on the highway, they had like 4 cars and very light traffic, almost perfect for it. And they have to jump through too many hoops with all the liability covering stuff. If the second vehicle’s officer was armed he could have returned fire when maddison opened up on the first car. But remember, from all their experience the last thing they thought would happen is being engaged with full automatic fire, it just doesnt happen in QLD police experience. Otherwise they would have thought twice about following up that dirt 4wd track…

[@nukedude2433]

@@Tom32145_ I ain’t reading allat 😂

[@stevethedonful]

Sending an officer into a situation with a known automatic rifle is absurd

[@PaulinAsia_]

My thoughts are with the family of Snr Constable Brett Forte. I think it was a flawed pursuit. Was despatch cognisant of Maddison's property location? If they were, the pursuing units should have been made aware of the location of Maddison's property, once he turned onto Forestry Rd. they should have sat back until the property was reached, not drive in his dust cloud. The fact that two police vehicles overturned whilst reversing is concerning. Do police undergo rigorous driver training? Easy to say in hindsight I know, but as the pursuit continued along the dirt road, I felt that it was not safe for the officers, perhaps because I knew the outcome. R.I.P. Brett Forte.

[@67daffy]

I could probably reason why the sgt. on the phone said what he did but it absolutely in no way helped the situation. Hindsight is wonderful for us kbw none of us were there.

[@grud66]

Polair directed not to activate so they can save money….. brave police let down by penny pinching. If the helicopter was activated early the pursuit vehicles could have stood down and waited for backup.

[@LimitR]

POLAIR would have to fly out of Brisbane. They might be faster than a car but even if they were authorised to deploy at the very beginning of the video they still wouldn't be there until it was too late.

[@ulrikezachmann7596]

I remember watching this video when it first came out. A terrible situation. Polair should have been right on it. They knew about the fire arms warning. The offender was nuts.

[@Happynana4]

😢😢😢🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Rest in peace sgt Fortie . Condolences to his family 💔💔💔❤❤❤❤

[@Megadoculous]

RIP Senior Constable Brett Forte. Sad.

[@fredbear-sf9st]

So why go into a remote area when you could pick him up in the town? This would have been the smart move. Years ago we all had rifles up to 1996. Students even had rifles at schools. The cadets had a rifle range opposite the school. How many remember Kmart had a full display as you entered the store.

[@logical_evidence]

Yep I remember!.

[@AirflowToTheTurbo]

Are you really commenting on a video where a member of the public gunned down a cop complaining that the public used to have MORE guns, and that was a good thing? Have you seen what it's like in the US? 36 people lost their lives in the 1996 massacre. The only reason we don't have mass shootings here regularly is because of those '96 laws. Have a look at the gun violence these days in the US. That's what happens without sensible gun laws. As for why the cops weren't armed here I have no clue that's bizarre. Even the train cops have guns in Melbourne, as do all regular cops but they rarely have to use them or worry about getting shot because civillians can't access firearms without a farming license, shooting galleries, etc. Your comment is basically saying the shooter here should have had access to more guns more easily. Makes zero sense mate.

[@lordsuton1879]

Sgt jerkins handled that so wrong, he was clearly instigating him. Condolences to the officer who lost his life.

[@firefighter5437]

Do the police officers carry firearms? I’m live in America where every police officer has a pistol and ar-15 rifle.

[@ilikechickensausages2075]

Just a Glock17 2 mags that's it, Full Auto guns have been banned since the 96

[@ImperialKnight86]

Yes all Australian police carry firearms. Why these idiots didn't is beyond me. They violated their PPE and the Police probably did nothing to enforce discipline. Like usual.🫠

[@pigmeal2224]

QLD police carry Glocks in .40 S&W. As far as I'm aware general police stations no longer tote AR's or 870's. Directives have been in place for several years now that all officers must be armed at all times.

[@zachfpv4493]

@@firefighter5437 the police have all sorts of weapons.The feds at the airport have m4s and the different states have tactical groups with sig rattlers m4s tac shotguns precision rifles.

[@bobkats]

Why are ALL police not taught contact drills? Cars stacked up. at least 6 officers could have returned fir, everyone ran???

[@funnyweirdovideos]

Second car was completely unarmed I think they mentioned

[@GenasAdventures]

@@funnyweirdovideos Imagine having an unarmed cop car, useless

[@bobkats]

@@funnyweirdovideos No ALL QPS on duty have a firearm, they may only be Glock 40, but they carry 16 rounds, 16 x 6 is a lot more than a 30 round clip, act of aggression and extreme violence, as taught in the military, wins, as proven here, a good man lost his life, because QPS upper management failed, then we had the farm shooting earlier this year, again another fail from upper management... Being shot is not a happy place, I know this first hand, shooting back through the windscreen although not as affective, will take away the advantage an aggressor has... RIP Brett...

[@lh7325]

​@@funnyweirdovideosThat bloke was admin staff. All Australian police are armed.

[@No_Pro_00]

​@@bobkats I'm not trying to be a clown.. but you'd think a police officer in pursuit of a person with known firearm offences would be of little use in this situation.. In any case the outcome is a tragedy

[@MrFruitstick]

RIP very tragic. My thoughts are with his family

[@riatz1]

it's horrible that a human lost his life doing his job, but if i was related to the victim i'd be furious hearing jenkins infammitory words during the phone call. 'man up' saying this doesnt do anything to defuse some ones ego, it makes the more cemented in the egotistical mindsate. police also need better quipment to defend against this sort of scenario, a police offcier shouldnt find themselves in a scenario in which they're taking small arms to defend thselves aginst long arms with semi or fully auto capabilities. the poor officer involved were hung out to dry and were failed by their superior officer and or government.

[@NurseNelson]

Who would be a Police officer these days when going to work each day could prove fatal. RIP Senior Constable Brett Forte ❤

[@peterbartley7183]

This guy was not very smart. He could have drive far more dangerously to cause the police to terminate the pursuit then attempt to disappeared.

[@ImperialKnight86]

No, he wanted to ambush them. That was always his intent.

[@rochelle8124]

@@ImperialKnight86This wasn’t an ambush.

[@SlCKB0Y-sb1kg]

@@rochelle8124of course it’s an ambush. He’s was driving slowly and carefully so the pursuit does not get called off, so instead he can lead them single file down a tight dirt track. He gets far enough ahead that he has time to stop the vehicle and then open up on the lead vehicle the moment he got out of his. Everything about this was planned.

[@No_Pro_00]

The moment the officer's were told " be careful he has known firearm offences" was it really that important to keep pursuing him ? We all know the end result and that is.. NO

[@kjblundell]

when im on the highway and there is a bunch of lights and sirens behind me, as in multiple police cars, I GTF out of the way. Qld'ers are so oblivious to emergency vehicles. I should know. I live here.

[@Dontblamethemonkey]

269 is a coward leaving the other unit behind like that

[@stevemonssen3012]

There all cowards

[@queenofthebutterflies5212]

This made me cry

[@ericgardner5548]

Leave your fellow officers behind...cowards.

[@distant4766]

I was under the impression that guns were illegal in Australia unless you have that predator erradication permit thing. Then you can only have 1 riffle. Am i mistaken?

[@LimitR]

Anyone can own a firearm as long as you have a permit/license to do so. Generally you'd have to be a member of some sort of shooting organisation or club to justify said license. Automatic weapons are completely illegal and you can't get them now. Chances are this guy had a weapon from before the laws were changed (Around 1996) which was never handed in. That said I'm not a gun owner nor do I have a license. But getting a pistol or rifle license isn't too hard.

[@damianburbidge2371]

A lot was cut out…

[@aflaz171]

Medium traffic? I'd say light to nothing!

[@peterbartley7183]

They have to be conservative

[@shanemcauley8484]

Law enforcement shouldn’t be placed in a position by the organisation or the politicians where they find themselves outgunned due to lack of being supplied without effective equipment to respond to such a situation. Better to have it and not need it, rather than need it and not have it.

[@OyeVato]

how do aussie cops understand each other on the radio lol

[@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32]

I thought gun control prevented this... not only are they armed, it's a automatic weapon something that even in America is difficult to get legally.

[@frankiefourfingers1158]

Automatic firearms are illegal here in australia

[@nukedude2433]

Criminals don’t follow the law?? WHAT?!! 😱🤯🤯 Who would’ve thought that? This is completely unheard of!! Who in their right mind, who in 10 million years, would ever thought that somebody that completely disregards the law will follow THE LAW????! 🤯🤯😱😱

[@nukedude2433]

@@frankiefourfingers1158 and look where that’s gotten us

[@ozmatterhorn2147]

How he get that rifle?

[@lachlanbaker2031]

Illegally. Almost like criminals don’t care about laws!

[@LongJohnnn]

@@lachlanbaker2031 True, but it's still not that easy to get a rifle in Aus without some scary connections. Better than the US.

[@matty_isthemotto]

Getting an illegal gun is easy

[@king-pn4bj]

@@lachlanbaker2031 It still significantly harder for the average crook to get such weapons, otherwise such incidents would be quite common, like in the US.

[@LongJohnnn]

​@@king-pn4bjExactly. The fact that the Police didn't handle it the best is also proof that it isn't common. The situation couldn't be handled without calling in trained squads. In the US, the perp probably would have been neutralised before he even made it back to his shed.

[@acmlsrtvxacmlsrtvx3059]

Allegedly, so, there really was no reason to go chasing after him, as the courts hadn't made any decision either way and look what happened sounds to me like he brought it upon yourself

[@dalet1001]

RIP to the Sen Constable. I have to say though this is some of the worst pursuit commentary I have heard. QLD police really need to listen to UK police during a pursuit. Doing this in a more proficient manner would help other units pinpoint where they are and potentially get them backup quicker.

[@troygerencer1620]

How T F,,,,,,,,,, does he get an automatic firearm in Australia ?

[@acmlsrtvxacmlsrtvx3059]

Allegedly, so, there really was no reason to go chasing after him, as the courts hadn't made any decision either way and look what happened sounds to me like he brought it upon yourself What are the allegations he at least deserves to know what you're chasing for?

[@Danger_Mouse3619]

Cops only have themselves to blame for this to happen. Could have easily boxed or pit manoeuvre his vehicle on the highway. Wasn't even driving dangerously. 🙄 They were even warned he could of had a firearm.

[@ADingoTookMyDasco]

Nobody PIT maneuvers here in Australia. It's a dangerous move that even the US police are phasing out. And what do you think would have happened if they tried to box him in given that he had that gun with him?

[@notcommon58]

@@ADingoTookMyDasco "It's a dangerous move that even the US police are phasing out" Uhm. no they aren't. No US police department is phasing out the pit maneuver. Its a dangerous maneuver as opposed to letting a dangerous criminal flee & lead you to a trail and then ambush and kill you? Good one. A similar thing happened like this in the US. The guy killed 1 cop, and led cops on a pursuit. An officer pit him. The guy jumped out, the officer jumped out, and the guy shot the cop. The cop returned fired, striking the guy, and ran behind his car. Got back up, and shot the guy again, and the suspect ran around his car, and the officer chased him finally shooting and kill him. The officer survived his injuries, the suspect didn't. As for the box, probably not a good idea for the reasons you stated.

[@notcommon58]

@@ADingoTookMyDasco The pit maneuver is an effective tactic to stop a fleeing vehicle. You use it during circumstances. Its better to stop and pit a fleeing vehicle before they lead you on a long chase rather than letting them stop when they want.

[@ADingoTookMyDasco]

@@notcommon58 And, if they could do it, which they can't in Australia, where would have been a safe place to do it? On the dual carriageway where they could have easily spun out onto the grass median & rolled, or worse yet across the median & into oncoming traffic? Pitting a car looks great on TV on US's multi lane freeways, but it has absolutely no place on the majority of Australian roads. It would just be too dangerous, which is why Australian police aren't trained in the tactic.And it's not an effective tool to stop a vehicle compared to deploying Stingers. Google has plenty of examples of the PIT maneuver resulting in death, serious injury & civil lawsuits. It's unjustifiable when this example is an outlier & a lot of chases here involve a car full of underage kids in a stolen car. Plus, with Electronic Stability Control being mandatory on all new cars sold here from 2013 pitting a car would be even less effective.

[@ADingoTookMyDasco]

@@notcommon58 The offender had a fully automatic rifle. The Police had 9mm Glock pistols, and at least one of the responding officers was unarmed. How do you think it would have gone in a more public setting on a major road? And US police are starting to deploy harpoon devices. It's early days, but it will eventually phase out trying to Pit a car.

[@noelpaintonsmith8091]

Ricky wasn't "all talk" now was he? RIP Fortie. Your death is a tragedy that should have never happened.

[@benitohuldt5974]

I will never become a police in Australia.Change needs .

[@BOARDMAN16456]

PRETTY SHOCKING, THE SECOND CAR SHOULD NOT HAVE GONE BACK AS FAR AND SHOULD OF ASSISTED THE FIRST 4x4, #scotland

[@wxd371]

Make patreon free?

[@farqueue]

How did he die? From the roll over? or did a bullet hit him?

[@lh7325]

He was shot

[@Dreama40]

Polair is still deciding whether to deploy or not.

[@CommunityCardio]

Sgt Jenkins now does it feel right to tell him he's all talk? You're the reason your 'brother' is dead.

[@TheKrispyfort]

First and foremost, my sincerest condolences to the family and colleagues of Snr Constable Forte. No-one should be taken out by violence. No child should lose their father to his job. Not a police officer. Never tried to be. No uniform fetish. Have engaged in a lot of thought exercises with friends in informal environments though. Since the first confirmation to Maddison that the marked cars were definitely wanting him to pull over, he already knew where to take the officers and what he was going to do when he got there. He had no intention on evasion. He was choosing the battleground for his last stand. Yes, I know, armchair expert yadda yadda yadda. No, I don't expect these comments to make a luck of difference but maybe someone involved in training law enforcement officers might realise the importance of "games & theory" as a pre-emptive incident skills training tool 🤞 This is just how my 🧠🌶️ mind works - notice a thing, mentally workshop worst case scenario of said thing, workshop counter measures and escape routes. No, I'm not fun at parties. Maybe a ttRPG party. Onto my observations that argue that this was always intended to evade capture, not to evade pursuit. First indication - keeping to the road rules. Makes the uniforms think they're in control of the situation and lulls them into a false sense of security. Second indication - performative faking wrt that exit road. Make the uniforms think he's trying to evade pursuit. Again, building that false sense of security Third - he's local and knows each and every one of those roads. Going to the deadend road didn't mean he had no way out, it meant he had no-one coming up behind him. He didn't corner himself. He covered himself. There's a reason they're called dead ends 😢 I'm glad ICT has improved to allow for better real-time situational awareness wrt keeping track of police vehicles on an interactive map. It's going to make on-the-go planning and operations much easier. I am surprised that polair were so impotent

[@Dontblamethemonkey]

Catch the bad guy but don’t Chase after him but don’t. Arrest him and charge him. But don’t.

[@samgough309]

How dumb are those cops, walked into a trap and have no education to see what was coming, be prepared or prepare to fail

[@joshbrookes6439]

I think you're being slightly harsh calling them dumb cops poorly trained inexperienced lacking resources and support many many reasons why they seemed like incompetent cops but being dumb isn't one of them, surely you will agree that no human being was born with the skills the knowledge and the training thats required in order to be considered fit for duty overly competent for the roles you'll be assigned to, and yes, in the eyes of the bureaucrats and academics you must obtain the A4 sheet of semi gloss recycled cardboard that boldly claims in big fancy words that YOU the holder of this document is in fact qualified in the state of QUEENSLAND BUT NOWHERE ELSE OBVIOUSLY..

[@sunjabibahladeen6394]

Tw269 reversing a k down the road and rolling his car while the first car was getting shot up calling for help was dumb. Admit that